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OLAADEGBU:
It means if you live your life without being conscious of the presence of the Almighty God. Someone said, 'If there were no God there will be no atheists'.

lmao... the reverse is the case boy... if there was, we wont have many religions and definitely wont have any atheist...

Hiswordxray:
I know much more than you think dear. And don't ask me silly questions, you know My answer will make you even more confused. You should have learnt that by now, God's wisdom is far greater than yours.

No offence boy but
Boy you know nada definitely nothing near science except for the primary ones you might have seen in secondary school..

Anyone who sees the statement you made above definitely know you basically have nothing up stairs

KingEbukasBlog:
Prove that Noah's flood story is a myth . And other ancient texts about a universal flood are false . Anything that proves God is regarded as assertion/myth/feeble/fairytale . But cavemen stories are regarded as fact ...

Isn't it funny you are just being Childish..
Please which one is cavemen again (cus its obvious you are using it in another context)
We are talking about Noah's story boy stop running around and answer the simple question.. [size=20] Gilgamesh or Noah which was written first?[/size]

oh sorry I forgot to show you

Luke 22:50-51

Again? And you haven't read Isis healing osiris manhood when seth cut it off.. there are just fables..

It seems this one miracle is impossible eeeh?

KingEbukasBlog:
He was talking to his disciples seeing Him transfigured , as He will be in the kingdom when it is set up at the second advent

smh...

Yes Coming In His Kingdom Means transfiguration. . You know its always funny when you people try to twist what the bible said. . No wonder George Bernard Shaw said No Man believes the bible means what it says, he is always convinced it says what they mean

We definitely are seeing it here..

hahn:
I thought Jesus said it would be 2000 years after his death and it still hasn't happened. He propably said that after too much wine at the last supper because its way past 2k years now. Don't you think?

Or are we going to keep on guessing the date of the rapture as well like god's existence?

Actually Jesus never said it would happen 2k years after, He actually thought it would happen during that generation.

e.g When he was addressing his disciples in Matthew 16;28
“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death
before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”...


Am sure we know all of them have been dead for more than 2k years now, unless somehow some are still alive till now

KingEbukasBlog:
but cavemen stories is science ... cool

. . . Ebuka are you dodging still?

Agree on what? where? of course God can

T.B joshua shenanigans

Then lets see some actions

show us where god did this?

KingEbukasBlog:
Can you prove that Noah's flood is a myth ?

Exactly what i was trying to do by asking you to tell me which is the older version of the flood story.. Gilgamesh or Noah story? Can you tell me which now?

And secondly modern historicity don't recognize supernatural tales as factual history, its shifted to mythology...

You claimed to watch videos of Pst CO and TB performing miracles and you didnt believe ... so why should I bother ?

Actually you agreed with me that they are more or less like nollywood..

I am asking for an amputated limb practically regrown, i can't seem to find it in.emmaneul t.v

Stop the shift and bring what i asked na, am sure god can do it

KingEbukasBlog:
Gbam ! Who is p.laetton on Nairaland ?...Il quickly point to the post below (summarized)

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Ebuka na like this you be? . . . No take because deepsight talk am talk your own...make e no enter word exchanges and derail the thread. . .

If someone is intelligent on nairaland, plaetton certainly is, its a fact. . Dude's a genius..

KingEbukasBlog:
lmao ...funny guy ... so na me go talk am shey ... incase ask bae or she emasculates you ?

Hahahahahaha na you talk am ooo, my bae? No na we dont fight, but she strong for bedmathics oo

this is a really broad topic . I dont want to step outside the bible . But I never agreed with you . I made statements and you started assuming

Its not about assumptions, you gave an example. How is that acceptable when its on the scope of mythology.

Jesus healed Marcus' ear when Peter had cut it off

In a story right? Well Isis (egyptian godess) healed Osiris Manhood when seth (egyptian god) cut it off. . . . Its all fables.
How is that proof when those stories are the claims...

Video?

KingEbukasBlog:



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I have to register to see it?





Hmmm ... no stressing sha ... since its the way you see it ...

Nope you can read them as a guest but you will need to register to add friends, send private messages and other stuffs.

hahn:
Why do humans have to argue so much over gods existence. Why can't he just show himself or speak up. Let him confirm and end these debates by saying "this is god" and let it be heard in the skies all over the world?

If any god was proven, they wont be numerous religions or beliefs or faith. . It would be a certain (sure) fact and everyone will know and not believe with faith..

That's basically the atheist stance I don't believe you, prove it. .
i dont want to believe by faith, i want to know (to be sure)

KingEbukasBlog:
assertions ? Wow ! Ok prove to me with science why women are not physically weaker

. . Lmao. . i haven't proposed a negate...I have not asserted any to be weaker or stronger..

And i only asked you for citations from whence your analogy of biologically proven weaker female gender was hewn from so i can learn and know

your opinion ?

Nope, we agreed some flood stories predates that of noah by thousands of years, so am sure the older ones didnt copy from the newer ones (the reverse should be the case) unless you want to make a stand that Noah's fable predates the other flood stories

Hmmm ... Maybe you didnt understand . Personal experiences like miracles , healings ,answered prayers , unexpected favour when all hope was lost ... etc ... God's work on you personally

lmao. . . We are asking for an unfakeable miracle..

An amputated limb growing back..

If they both prayed, then why not just seat and watch god do the contest then, why do they still need to do it..

pacquiao prayed, mayweather won, god didn't do the punching for the prayerful pacquiao.

If you don't do it, no deity (god ).will do it for you. This is reality not merlin.

KingEbukasBlog:
I know about biological classifications

According to evolutionists , the process brought about families ... yes or no? . But as a christian , I know God created living things but man through science divided them because of similar features they posses

Alright thats your belief then..

It was a joke , please dont take it seriously ...
Coolval? lover boy ! ave saved it and will read it in the evening

Have plenty of it, the story also have a part2 and other stories from me too... am Johnysky in coolval..

lol either way as far as you use it to describe or explain how life was formed then you support it . Am surprised you are even arguing about this

You asked a direct question evolutionarily and i answered with the same evolution thats why i kept adding (evolutionarily) in bracket, or would have had me answer it biblically when it was a question based on evolution..

If you had asked me directly how life or the origin of things, am sure my answer would have been I don't know nobody would argue on that

KingEbukasBlog:
you can carry out the research you wont hear it from me

Aaaaaw bro thats not a good way to back up your assertion ..

remember , the earth is not six thousand years old And not all historic events were recorded . Nevertheless ,ancient writings talk about a universal flood.

. . So then you agree the Noah story was a copy and reworked version since other older versions came with different names, settings and style

Obviously I asked about names in Christianty

Ok then you are a christian thats not hard for you to identify... Or at least go with the three i mentioned with muhammed remove the muhammed..

KingEbukasBlog:
ode ... I know all those things ... you are blowing the statement I made out of proportion

And somehow someone who claims to know them still ask why Canidae doesnt look like hominidae. . . Thats funny you know..

Its not time for name calling.
Ode?? Uuhm i wouldn't call me that...

And ode in igbo means Writer **Ode Akwukwo** Click my profile to read one of my stories.

Please John you support the theory of evolution means you are an evolutionist

Nope, its about teaching you exactly what evolution says not let you misrepresent it when you have not read it.

Evolution is a branch of study in science, that i dont still quite agree i know how life formed because i think humans still have a lot more study to do on it... That doesnt mean i shouldn't show you what it says when you drag it into a discussion with me..

KingEbukasBlog:
iffahear

I dont think much more needs saying on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcBTKZ9-QkE

And right in my street, there is a particular woman that beats up her husband.

you've started again ... isnt it obvious I dont want to before id before labelled a misogynist

I said am eager to learn, that i need a scientific citation where you got your analogy that its biologically proven women are weaker... Science is study bro, i want to learn it

I gave Noah's flood story , according to the bible , as an example of an effect of God's power on nature not the Gilgamesh flood story ... whatever you are trying to do will not work

..LOL.. I wouldn't want to outrightly call the biblical fable a myth so you wont blow up. . . That's why i presented an older similar fable (more than a 1000years difference) from mesopotamia (Gilgamesh flood story) And asked you to pick the older one.

Am sure you are just dodging cus you know if you say Gilgamesh story is older, it shows the bible tale to be a copied myth but yet you cannot say the Noah fable is older cus you know its not..... I understand the dodging

Im talking about Christianity... wetin concern me with other religions

and i was talking about every religion claiming to have experienced theirs, you asked for names and i gave you names

KingEbukasBlog:
answered which?

Many things, Like Identifying others planets and solar systems, what causes rains, why we experience season changes, its packed in your Physics, Chemistry and Biology text books. do i even need to go on??. . . . Am really surprised a 21st century homo sapiens asked this question..

there are animals who experience the same weather conditions and
changes in the environment as man ... so why dont they "Develop features
to suit and adapt" thus looking like man

WTF Well you have said you are not knowledgeable in biology so this is quite understandable...
Fox is in the family [size=20]Canidae[/size] while man is in the family [size=20] Hominidae[/size] Take a look at other Homindaes and see the similarities between them
The enlarged is enough answer to this.

man has legs , hands but he built cars , air crafts for better transportation
and movement .. since termites showed some level of 'civilization' before
man, why didnt they improve on that ... its all about evolution right?

I suppose as usual you drag us back and again this where this my post will still again suffice as an answer

[b][size=20] And all that are as a result of highly developed complex brain..[/size]

Secondly i have not claimed to be an evolutionist, I say "I don't know
how anything began" Evolution is a branch of study in science as we all
know more studies are going on this and only through these studies can
the real eventuality be uncovered like i clearly asserted above.

For your question; I think answering this question evolutionarily as you
have dragged it into, it should be termed an evolved trait of intellect.
(Evolutionary Assertion) The Humanoid Australopithecus was far less
intelligent than what you term other animals, Adipithecus also
possessed a far less developed brain and intellect which kept evolving
during the stages of the evolutionary trail (Adipithecus Ramidus,
Aferensis, Africanus down to the homos)

This assertion of evolved intellect, morals, behaviours can even be
demonstrated. . . Take a look back 2000years ago, 4000years ago and
then compare that with now. . . I think it is clear the intellectual and
social behaviour of now is far more different from then this shows it
improves with time. (evolved means development)[/b]

Pay mind to the enlarged again.

KingEbukasBlog:








Am arguing about faith with an atheist ... ok

Ok..lol..

its biologically proven

Lol.. until you get your butts kicked by one, we will see. .

Am eager to learn, give me a scientific citation of your assertion...

KingEbukasBlog:
Effects of God's Power on Nature - Noah's flood . Its obvious watcha doing

Uuuhm my question was, Gilgamesh flood story and Noah's flood story, which one predates the other... Just a simple question..

KingEbukasBlog:
muhammed is the GO of which church?

He is the founder of Islam and he experienced his own differently which was why i pointed out different religions at first. . . Nawa ooo

Its very obvious; Your beliefs don't make you a good person, your behaviour does.

KingEbukasBlog:
God is a
→ Supreme Being
→ Creator
→Wonder worker
→ Highly intelligent being
These are basic characteristics of Him every Christian knows . If obviously he performs wonders/miracles in our lives , seen we are created in his image , and have witnessed how got us through problems . So why shouldn't we see Him as the creator of the universe?

Ooh mehn this again?. . . Should we start all over again.. Now that would be circular...

I believe you bro

LOL...its obvious.... So we need something better just a video an amputated limb grow, god is a wonder worker am sure he can do it

.... Thanks in advance for the video.

KingEbukasBlog:
faith ?

Your faith doesn't make anything true, it doesnt even make it probably true, that i have faith that i am harry potter doesnt make it true...Faith has no weight on reality.
That you have faith only means you can believe anything true or not.

Meanwhile you dont need faith to know an aeroplane can fly. You are certain (sure) of it, so it doesn't require faith.

KingEbukasBlog:
I suppose cavemen stories of women being physically weak because they took care of the kids in the caves are not true then

Hahahahahaha am sure you know i dont share that ideology of women being weak.

Simple question .. Gilgamesh flood story and Noah flood story, which predates the other?

KingEbukasBlog:
strange names of people

Am sure names like Muoka, pope francis, muhammed, tb joshua, is not hard to see

KingEbukasBlog:
so your point is we cannot say God created the universe , neither can we say He didn't
Ok then

My point as i have stated from the beginning is; Assuming up a creator does not answer the questions on the origin of the universe cus the creator then becomes a subject to questions about its own existence...

With persistent study, observation, experiments, humans can answer these questions with time like we have answered many others.

KingEbukasBlog:
we get better everyday(evolution - not developing from lower life forms) ... Haven't termites built sky scrapers and cars yet?

Evolution means development (Sure you know am not an evolutionist) But this development can be observed in an Arctic fox is different from an ordinary fox. . Develop features to suit and adapt.

Comparing the size of some ant hills to the size of termites, its basically clear its more or less a sky scraper.

If i can recall correctly termites acquire more colonies through nocturnal flights (winged termites perform this) They fly. . . so means of transportation, solved

KingEbukasBlog:
I started with self-existent ... so clearly I wasn't failing my argument

And by so doing why then do you maintain the universe must be created?
since you are agree something can be self existent, why not the universe?

KingEbukasBlog:
So clearly , others are true but you badly an amputated limb grow back

I have watched emmanuel t.v enough to know there is no difference between nollywood and that stuff.

I have seen a video of Christ embassy where a man allegedly blind from birth regained his sight and identified the colour red, how come

we need something that cannot be faked, so just an amputated limb growing back will be enough am sure god can do it, after all nothing is impossible for him eehm

KingEbukasBlog:
Noah's flood

Yeah i suppose Gilgamesh flood story is truer then

KingEbukasBlog:
give me names

Islam, christianity (41,000), hinduism, satanism, judaism, sikhism, bahai, semitic neopeganism. . . I could keep counting.

KingEbukasBlog:
you knew what he meant , why mock him na

Its just very obvious he has no idea what science is. . . He just see some people shouting science on nairaland and think its another form of belief system

KingEbukasBlog:
prove @ bolded , dont just make assertions without proof . Can you prove the universe is self-existent ?

I have never asserted anything to the universe i use your argument against you... and the bolded clearly stated
If you assume a creator who is self existent then you have shown something can be self existent then i can say the universe is self existent

Am sure it was very simply put and clear i boomeranged your argument unless u are reading the back of your phone.

KingEbukasBlog:
ok in other words , I could not summarize with every detail I wanted you to see , so I directed to the link . I have seen you do it too so this isn't knew

Ok then

KingEbukasBlog:
lol ... this is funny tho... you explained how not why

why did we develop from cave dwellers to sky scraper habiting beings?, maybe you would ask me next to explain why you see with your eyes and not your nose..?

KingEbukasBlog:
God is self-existent

And it begs the question; How did you get to know?

How can you assert something is self-existent then turn around and maintain the universe must need a creator then?

if anything can be self-existent, then rightly put the universe (a proven existent entity) can then be said to be self-existent.

KingEbukasBlog:
When "God" is said , basic descriptions of Him should come to mind

→ Supreme Being
→ Creator
→Wonder worker
→ Highly intelligent being

Man fits into these descriptions too. . but somehow man needs a creator but a more complex being dont. ..really

KingEbukasBlog:
If these are understood , then you have no problem . Can this be proven outside the bible? Yes and BASICALLY

→Existence , Design and Complexity of life forms

This only proves the existence of life forms and universe not an invisible alleged creator. Complexity, Yes. . Design? I wonder how chaotic activities, galaxies colliding on galaxies, asteroids crashing down on planets, tsunamis, earth quakes are a form of design.

@bolded..So Life forms are complex therefore require a creator, but you are here arguing that a more superior and complex life form than what we have here dont need a creator..Isnt that failing in ur argument?
A far more complex life form dont need a creator but a simpler complex must have a creator in order to exist..

KingEbukasBlog:
→Miracles

A video of an amputated limb grow back?

KingEbukasBlog:
→Effects of His Power on Nature

Like?

KingEbukasBlog:
→Personal Experiences

Every other person claims this and arrive at different conclusions. . Are you all experiencing the same entity here or just yourselves.

KingEbukasBlog:
I mentioned this somewhere

ok

KingEbukasBlog:
am yet to see a convincing rebuttal against the points op made

for johnydon22

1.if not a greater force/power/being that is existing independently of other beings or causes is responsible , then present a much better explanation .And not just 'refuting his claims'.

Maybe you failed to read my post well cus if you had you would heard where i said. . . " oh yea the universe needs an explanation and this can only be achieved
through study, observation and experiment, no matter how long it takes to
solve this not with assumptions (a god did it).
Throwing in a god did it when you lack knowledge of how it happened;
This does not solve this problem because u are trying to explain
something that is unexplained with an unexplained answer if this should
hold sway then we can also say the universe doesn't need to be explained.…

For you to assume a greater force/power/being that exists independently of any other beings or causes then i can rightly say the universe is practically independent of this independently existing power (which exists where?)

KingEbukasBlog:
2. Im not that good in biology, so let this explain >. http://www.ucg.org/vertical-thought/hey-hey-dna-proving-gods-existence-genetically

And i am supposed to reply a website link here?. . If you are not that good in biology how then did you know the website explanation was correct.

KingEbukasBlog:
3. There are much more apart from consciousness ... creativity , moral values , social behavior , habitual nature ,power of decision , high intelligence , skills etc . Can you explain why man , according to you as an evolutionist , who supposedly evolved from lower life forms cannot be matched in these areas of life as mentioned by other animals . Why is man so distinct in these mentioned areas?

And all that are as a result of highly developed complex brain..

Secondly i have not claimed to be an evolutionist, I say "I don't know how anything began" Evolution is a branch of study in science as we all know more studies are going on this and only through these studies can the real eventuality be uncovered like i clearly asserted above.

For your question; I think answering this question evolutionarily as you have dragged it into, it should be termed an evolved trait of intellect.
(Evolutionary Assertion) The Humanoid Australopithecus was far less intelligent than what you term other animals, Adipithecus also possessed a far less developed brain and intellect which kept evolving during the stages of the evolutionary trail (Adipithecus Ramidus, Aferensis, Africanus down to the homos)

This assertion of evolved intellect, morals, behaviours can even be demonstrated. . . Take a look back 2000years ago, 4000years ago and then compare that with now. . . I think it is clear the intellectual and social behaviour of now is far more different from then this shows it improves with time. (evolved means development)

Speaking of other animals; Termites built cities and had more civilized societies far before humans did. . .

Hiswordxray:
Science is lacking far behind and people who believe in it are being proud of their ignorance. Instead of them to work harder and try to meet up they boast of their ignorance.

Its wonderfully remarkably outstanding that someone who is using a scientific invention (Phone and internet) made this statement...What an irony...


Please define science?

malvisguy212:
what kind of evidence do you want? Is it possible to proved God does not exist?

Is it possible to prove a flying blue pink circle square rabbit doesn't exist?


That which has not been proven cannot be disproved because there absolutely is nothing to disprove.

UyiIredia:
I made the same arguments on another site and couldn't convince atheists there. Maybe I'll have better luck here . . . OR NOT !

Oh really then you need the luck....Goodluck with that.

UyiIredia:
1) The existence of the universe demands an explanation. The order of the physical universe which ensures it adheres to laws which can be inferred suggests an intelligence behind the universe.

oh yea the universe needs an explanation and this can only be achieved through study, observation and experiment, no matter how long it takes to solve this not with assumptions (a god did it).
Throwing in a god did it when you lack knowledge of how it happened;
This does not solve this problem because u are trying to explain something that is unexplained with an unexplained answer if this should hold sway then we can also say the universe doesn't need to be explained.

This "god did it" does not answer the question it only postpones it, u have to assume a god don't need a creator, don't this show the universe too don't need a creator since u just showed something can exist without a creator

You mention the order in the PHYSICAL universe and NATURAL laws then u assumed up a SPIRITUAL answer to something u agree is PHYSICAL this itself is a flaw to itself. (Self refuting)

UyiIredia:
2) The genetic code in living organisms precludes the possibility they arose naturally. Natural processes CAN'T give rise to codes which don't follow natural laws. As humans, we know that codes are always made by conscious effort so the presence of codes in living things is grounds to infer that God exists.

the bolded alone kills this argument. You distance the human genetic code from nature and claim it doesn't follow natural laws. How can genetic code/hereditary not be natural when it is still within the confine of nature and are found in natural organisms.
This is a big intellectually epileptic assertion and I have no advice than you need more studies.

UyiIredia:
3) Consciousness in man is not explainable by materialistic means. Emergence can't explain consciousness since typically it deals with new physical properties that arise due to complex interactions. But the consciousness isn't physical and so can't be explained by purely material means moreso since physical things lack consciousness. This is good grounds to believe that a God that effects consciousness exists.

Man's consciousness cannot be explained materially when man's consciousness is still material....lol... Funny.

For this to hold sway you have to then explain to us god's consciousness and bear in mind this explanation should not be spiritual since you argue that man (material entity) does not have material origin then god(spiritual entity) cannot have spiritual origin, it must be something else...
Material must have material origin cus that which is not material cannot give what it doesnt have

If you assume god is self existent this is another failing in your argument because you have showed something can be self existent why then would you assume up a creator for the universe since following your argument we can rightly say it is self existent.

Again good luck

ayoku777:
Yes, He has them. Scripture says He does.

1. He has eyes

2Chronicles 16v9 -For the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show Himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward Him.

2. He has ears

Numbers 14v28 -Say unto them, As truly as I live, saith the Lord, as ye have spoken in mine ears, so will I do to you:

3. He has hands

Ezekiel 3v22 -And the hand of the Lord was there upon me; and He said unto me, Arise, go forth into the plain, and I will talk with thee.

4. He has fingers

Luke 11v20 -But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

5. He has a heart

Genesis 8v21 -And the Lord smelled a sweet savour, and the Lord said in His heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake;

6. He has a mouth

Isaiah 40v5 -And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, an all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

7. He has feet

Ezekiel 43v7 -And He said unto me, Son of man, Behold the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the modst of the children of Israel for ever,

8. He has a head and has hair

Daniel 7v9 -...and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame,

9. He can smell. So I guess that means He has a nose.

Genesis 8v21 -And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in His heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake;

These are just some of the parts scriptures assigned to God in describing His form. I'm sure there are more.

Others include, He has a sense of humour and can laugh;

Psalm 37v13 - The Lord shall laugh at him: for He seeth that his day is coming.

Psalm 2v4 -He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

He can also get angry; can be hurt and can be compassionate.

He is all that and more. These are just the few I searched out.

Shalom

Thats basically a humanoid.... So it has a pen!s or vàgina then?

Ramos16:
actually contact binaries are really small bodies, they are mostly small asteriods and comets, nt a star as big and powerful as the sun, their size range from a few hundred meters to a few tens of kilometers, nothing like the sun

Yeah with relatively too small masses as regard to average stars