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KingEbukasBlog:
God is a being and not human . Masculinity does not necessarily mean you need a joystick , its more like an attribution . What are males known for?

-they protect
-they are brave
-they are strong willed
-physical and emotional strength etc

Am sure females exhibit this attributes too so it doesnt being to the male beings. I think this up here is your opinion about men to relegate the females to the background to suite your laughable analogy. . . Both male and female exhibit these traits..

KingEbukasBlog:
females?
-physical and emotional weakness
-cowardice ( not as seemed)
-weak-willed etc

I think this is born out of pure discrimination against the female folks. . . Some males and some females exhibit these too so it doesnt belong to one gender...
I think i need a girl to confirm to this guy that his assertions are just plain ridiculous.

KingEbukasBlog:
So its more like a concept
because some females have such attributes eg Tomboys ,the 'Think like a man act as a lady' motivation , female soldiers and CEOs . So do females have/need the joystick to exhibit 'masculinity'?

That a lady is a CEO or soldier doesnt still make her masculine in nature, it just disproves your assertions about women up there.
There is nothing a male can do a female cant.
Seems you still have that archaic mindset of women being more feeble and less better than men..

That tomboys appear muscline still doesnt make them male and you wont refer to them as "he".

So since its obvious the attributes you attached to the male and female folks doesnt belong to any gender but to both, doesn't this mean you should try and change your perception about the female folks. .

So how do you then distinguish male from female if not by physical characteristics...Some tomboys are mistaken for a guy when you dont see any girl characteristic in her.

So Does god have a joystick since you think its male..?

KingEbukasBlog:
Wow ... not in my church - the Lords Chosen . . You need to stop visiting roadside and street churches and visit bible believing ones . My church preaches against social vices and tells us to live right . Its left for you to follow . Plus the miracles , healings , just name it

Speaking about the Lord's Chosen, i don't even think your fellow Christians share your sentiments. https://www.nairaland.com/1373248/double-standard-displayed-past-lazarus ...Enjoy

They still try as much to talk down the church and castigate it. You all still fight and castigate each other...

KingEbukasBlog:
Anyways , most atheists get religious when they are much older or on their deathbeds ... incase

Hahahaaaha. . Really?. . . I believe examples should be in order, lets hear names..

Am seriously starting to consider going into Church Business..

KingEbukasBlog:
Will it be ok to call you a homosexual when you are clearly not one?

Luke 2:21
Jesus was male and the passage proves so(males are circumcised on the eight day)
A quick look at another verse
John 10:30
Father - male . This clearly shows that God is a "He"
...and another
Luke 1:31
'son' clearly portrays Jesus as a male
But who says Christianity is so misogynistic?

Galatians 3:28
Understand God and Christianity before you spew trash next time . Thanks

Lmao... So it is a Male then, Brilliant. Exactly what i wanted to hear..

So if Jesus was female then god would automatically be female...?

And

We know Jesus surely has a Joystick when he made that statement "the father and i are one" and since you deducted they must be both male since jesus is male, The father has a joystick then?

And Joystick distinguishes Male from female.. so god has a joystick then?

vedaxcool:
But it is ok protraying the devil as masculine?

Of course, if god is portrayed in a feminine/Masculine way, why shouldn't the devil be portrayed as such too ... Its ok to refer to them as he or she since none of you even know what exactly it is...

Empiree:
Ogbeni mr Atheist, you want to start teaching me my religion now?. If you are so much interested in this you gonna have to open your thread on this subject. Dont derail

Mr Atheist...hahahahahaha i like that bro

Lmao. . Am not teaching you your religion, not at all... We are still on the matter which is Gender supremacy, cus the Op is a gender discriminator thats why he think it bad if they refer to god in a feminine tilt.

I ask you a question..:
Why is ok that god can be portrayed in a masculine nature but not the feminine?

Oh Dude shut up, you have been shouting this for days now.. If you cant simply deactivate your account then leave it. log it out on your phone and forget it, don't log in anymore... As simple as that and its as good as deleted...Why making a fuss out of mere account deactivation ..

Empiree:
You just got it wrong. My post was basically in reference to christianity. There is no gender #god in Islam. My post only serves to taunt op and the likes.

Islam does not in anyway recognize God Almighty by gender. Thats why Muslims prefer using Allah, the proper name for Supreme Being and Creator of all.

So Allah is neither Masculine nor feminine, But can be portrayed with masculinity, my question, why can't he be portrayed with feministic attributes.

E.g i have seen where "Subhanahu wa Ta'ala" (SWT) is translated as (Praise to Him in His Highness),.. Here is the link
Allah, As He Described Himself in the Holy Quran By Hassan Ali El-Najjar - http://www.aljazeerah.info/Islamic%20Editorials/2010/October/Allah,%20As%20He%20Described%20Himself%20in%20the%20Holy%20Quran%20By%20Hassan%20Ali%20El-Najjar.htm

also is translated as ( "May he be glorified and exalted",) here http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Islam.

Am sure you and i know the masculine weight in the pronoun "He" ..So why don't any ever portray him in a little feministic way.. since Allah has no gender then it should also be okay if someone says She Just like many use "He"

Empiree:
But since many christians consider man-god as their spreme being, it denotes gender god. So leave Islam out of this. As for treatment of women you raised, You painted all muslims with one brush. Thats isnt nice

Am not painting all muslims with one brush, actually the muslim holy book "Quran" asserted this up to 4wives Marriage... So unless you think the Quran is wrong in this, i think you should think it is very good because the quran said it is.

Quran (4:3) - "Marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four;

Empiree:
Op, why does this shocked you?. Christians already have women's Bible. All the places where 'he' are used for Jesus are changed to 'she'. This Bible was produced in America. Women claim they have been cheated for far too long was the reason for production of such Bible. And someone like ifeann said "Women's Bible is also 'inspired' by God. Majority of christians will end up being atheists. Thats for sure.

So God can be a male but not a female. . . Whats wrong if God turns out to be a woman, you can't worship a female?. . . Isn't this a form of discrimination against the female gender?

Gender supremacy has eaten deep into our society...So you can conceive and represent God as a male but to represent it as a female is a crime or should i say "Blasphemy"

This just shows its all a blatant fabrication perpetuated by male dominated system and always places the male gender above the other.

No wonder Islam treats women like property that you can acquire up to 4...

bobdoe:
If you believe GOD the most high GOD you don't need to worry about anything

That's what every other religions say. So which one are you?

Anas09:
@Johnnydon the Atheist crew.
The reason why I say u guys are tormented by the idea of hell is that, you guys are always here commenting on all senselessness of religion. If I were an Atheist, I won't bother with anything religion. Like u said, its all bullshit. So what will I be doing with this bullshit every now and then? I won't even be in the religion section. But you guys are always here why?

Please i would appreciate a less verbally attacking post next time, don't attach any other thing to my moniker. . . You know it really seems you are very emotionally disturbed that people doubt your beliefs that's why we always see u making assertions that are emotionally ladened and personal...For crying out loud it's just a belief, shouldn't work you up likr that, its not personal. so stop taking it personal

And i told you exactly why atheist make out time to discuss here,

Like i pointed out which also is Obvious " The basis of religion is not faith but fear" We show people that these are mere mythological fabricated load of nonsense that they don't need to fear...We show how irrational these beliefs are.

Because we want to show the irrationality of these beliefs, so most people will be unshackled from this evily fear religion has bound them with.

Silence would mean complicity, not when i still have time for nairaland i definitely wont stay silent.

We love to place these religions under severe scrutiny and open discussions in public so more people would always look and see for themselves.

So you want us to remain silent while you (who is still a victim of this indoctrination) help fasten the bond on other innocent people who haven't thought outside box of religions before...

You are welcome to try it. . . And lest i forget; most of us atheist enjoy the arguments so well...

And oh...Without us, this place would be as boring as NTA...

johnw74:
No

It was known even before the creation who is to be saved. Search for the scriptures. If you want to.
Jesus Christ-the Word worked in the lives of the Old Testament Saints just as He does the New Testament believers.

1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

so god already knew the people who will have to go to hell, millions of years before creating them?

Op the thing is; Cain married his sister like Ifeann and scholar said. . and then Seth also married his sister and they populated the world through incèst...

And then Cain and Seth's sons kept on marrying their sisters and more incèst population increase method..

So i was wondering how the genetic mutation occurred magically out of the blur and tens other races appeared since they were just marrying themselves...Surely thats just one race.

And then Cain built a city; That is where i get confused. . He built a city only with his wife and sons? or perhaps he married his daughters and had thousand more children.

And oh, who dah fvck was there recording this trilling tale..

Phizzlephizz:
First, with the bolded statement above are you saying you acknowledge the fact these superstitions are most true but Atheist just don't belief in such. Bro if you say money ritual don't work permit me to say who ever told you that take him down to ijebu-ode and see if it would work or not and belief me he wouldn't have to be killed to make u money.

This is still just plain superstition. . I wonder why all your money ritualists are nothing near rich like Bill Gates. . Since their money appears from no where and Bill Gates works for his, it should be normal that they would comfortably richer than Bill Gates, So why are they not even richer than Dangote talk more of Bill Gates? or even anything near rich like any Nigerian pastor?

By the way, give us one name of a ritualist you know?

Phizzlephizz:
The truth is you know money rituals work but you just don't belief in such,so is our stands as Christians.

The truth is, we dont know if rituals work, we have never tried it before, as far as we know, its plain superstition.

@bolded is a fat lie, you very much believe it (You christians are equally as superstitious as everyone else in other religions if not more especially africans), if you didn't you wouldn't be arguing it works.

Phizzlephizz:
So I would tell it to you that you Atheist know God exists and is alive but the religion you've chosen teaches you to believe otherwise as our religion(christianity) teaches us to believe in God our creator and every other thing that doesn't glorify him we don't believe in but that doesn't mean we do not acknowledge the fact that such things exist.

Actually we dont know if God exists and same as you and that is why you need to believe by faith and not by sight . . . We just lack that faith to believe in what we are not sure of, that which has not and cannot be substantiated.

The day any God is proven, there won't be anything like faith anymore cus everyone will certainly know for sure not necessarily believe. and oh with that, we wont have thousands of other religions anymore cus everyone certainly will be sure of the God that exists and worship (if such a powerful being will still require/need worships and love) or at least be sure there is

Phizzlephizz:
And bro there are other things in article let's touch it or wat do u think

Oh yes there are and some of them born out of plain misconception of what atheism means or entails and many assertions blatantly ridiculous and laughable like saying atheism believes in science, that is very wrong,

science is study and study is not a belief system. Am sure you studied Biology at least in S.S.1...So would anybody say you believe in science(biology?)

would have loved to addressed all of them, but am busy now. . .My boo is with me now....lol..

Anas09:
Hell is not meant for man. You don't have to end there. But it appears nairalanders, especially the Atheist are tomented by the thoughs of going to hell more than anything esle. Its very simple. Accept christ and let God help u.
Seriously, if you don't believe in God, then don't believe in hell. So don't join the discussions. Its lame.

Lmao. . . Atheist tormented by the thought of mythical place? . . . Greatest joke of the century. ... If they really were , they wouldn't be atheists..

The basis of religion is not faith but fear..

Nairaland atheists comment on this type of thread to show more people still under the pitiable state of this fear, to see the irrationality of the whole myth and unshackle themselves from nonsensical fear of this pathetic indoctrinated fear that so evily grip them. . . You are welcome to rid yourself of the fear of myths too..

Naital:
Lol. Religious pple will never cease to amuse me. "Spiritual body"....hmmm spiritual physical body.

I don't think he really knows the meaning of body...!!!

Maximus85:
Can you please show me where I can read more about this in the Bible?

Thanks.

I think your question is clearly misplaced. . . it should been directed to him

nairalandbuzz:
God's Angels. They are the original builders of hell.

not me...

zik4ever:
It doesnt matter who. Just avoid it by repenting of your sins and giving your life to Jesus urgently! Hell is real and eternity is near.

so god created a hell, in case u dont give ur life to jesus then he will roast u for eternity in the fire... Hhmmmm

malvisguy212:
this is how you explained good and evil;

"Good is used to represent an action
or event favourable to human
survival and societal well being, that
is how the concept of good was
derived.
Evil is an action or event that is a
detriment to societal well being and
unfavorable to human survival and
increases suffering. . . That is what is
termed evil, this is exactly how the
concept of Good/evil are conceived"

In your explanation of good , the key word is "FAVOURABLE" and your explanation indicate evil is subjective,right ? Ok!!! What if the thing that favour man is killing, will you called kill good since it is a concept and this concept is favourable to man? I even gave you an example of the nazis who gave oder to kill, meaning they legalise killing, will you called the law good?

And to your explanation of evil, why do you called it evil? Is because the society say it is evil,right? For an atheist, it is only wrong to kill if society makes it illegal. is gay wrong? To you who live in Nigeria, yes because it is illegal in Nigeria but to thoes who live in a country were gay is allow it is not a bad thing. Right? Ok!! Who told you gay is wrong?

Just have to copy my answer to ansas and give to u...Cus you are quite slow in comprehension and love straw man so.much.

Lets start by defining morality;
A moral act is an act that decreases individual human suffering and/or betters societal well being, freedom, equality and justice.

An immoral act is one that increases individual human suffering and is a detriment to to societal well being, freedom, equality or justice.

Both are human concepts clear depicts favourable or unfavourable actions.

Good action or event is one that coincides with the definition of morality. . It favours societal well being, and decreases suffering.

A bad event or action is one that negates the concept of good; it is unfavourable to societal well being and increases human suffering.

So this two are dependent on each other for meaning

The purposes of good(morality)/evil(immorality) is dependent on the concept.. from my answer to 1 and 2 it is easy to deduct that;

the purpose of Good is; To be favourable to human/societal/enviromental well being and minimizes suffering.

While the purpose of bad exactly negates the concept given to the purpose of good.


Same perceptive method. you differentiate colours by optical perception while the human concept of good and evil is perceived by empathical perception which still involves optical, emotional perception etc... i believe an example is needed.
Giving food to a hungry man by every definition decreases the suffering of that hungry man therefore its clear this act falls on the scope of a moral act.

while stealing food from that hungry man increases his suffering because you have just subjected him to hunger. . this act is clear negates the former therefore its distinguishable.

Like other answers above shows; Good and evil are both human concepts tagged to favourable or unfavourable actions. . . Since these are human concepts it is therefore right to deduct humans invent these moral laws to suite the concepts of good and evil.

It is quite simple, since these are human concepts the values too are human concepts too...
So i wonder what you mean by moral giver when morality being a human concept depicts humans perceived it, therefore gave it meaning. this means humans gave these laws which most of the times are subjective and about accountability still boils down to humans; try robbing a bank and see

e.g; In the Jewish society, a law given by the jewish deity stipulates death sentence for a bride found not to be a virgin, why are you not following this law now?

It is very clear that this law whereas masked as a moral law is very far from being moral. and that concept of morality as depicted by the jews surely goes against this modern day concept and that is why i dont see you following it.

How can gay be wrong/right when it doesn't hurt u or anyone, Whats your business with what people do with themselves in bedroom as long as it has nothing to do with me, it doesn't concern me.

nairalandbuzz:
God's Angels. They are the original builders of hell.

God's angels? that literally means God is in charge of it so his angels do the work for him.

So angels built hell, God didn't create it magically out of nothing like he created earth?

Royver:
Something happened thousands of years ago and the ancients from all over the world saw it significant enough to write it down.
It is no myth.

So something happened years ago, the ancients saw it and somehow new civilizations that emerged long after the alleged period of this event wrote about it...

And somehow the Egptians being one of the world oldest civilizations never saw it..

The ancients saw and then out of all the ancients that saw it, they agreed to write that only one man and his family survived; In Mesopotamian version: Gilgamesh.

Yeah and somehow the Jews, hindus worked their own version of the story 1000years after the Sumerians.

Royver:
The story of a global flood is not peculiar to the jews alone. All over the ancient world there are texts from Phonecia, Akkadia, Babylona, Assyria, etc that depict there was a flood that wiped out all life.

The flood myth was passed from one civilization to the other. . Different time frames and reworked into the culture of the new civilization... Need i remind you that supernatural occurrence into consideration when determining historical fact....Till date there is no archeological evidence for a world wide flood.

Royver:
This does not revoke the flood story but rather fortifies it. the ancients from all over the world experienced something. Those who had written language penned it down and it was passed on to those who had no written language at the time.

Actually this revokes it, when a particular story is reworked in different cultures at different time frames with different cultural representation and the story is based unproven event.

It is a scholarly consensus that the flood story is a blatant myth. . . It is stipulated the flood story happened 2348B.C yet they egyptian Pyramids were built 2560Bc downwards. . why did this great global flood seem not to affect the Egyptian civilization or the pyramids?

Scholarly hypothesis stipulates this flood was just an inland flood that affected areas around indian ocean and then exaggerated into a world wide catastrophe by scribes who wrote down this account first of which is from mesopotamia... And that is why Egyptians practically seem not have no idea that there was any flood or any other civilization in Africa.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth

Royver:
Also, you are a scientist. Till date, the flood is the best explanation for why the diinosaurs all died at once and why their bones are found in layers/sediments of rock. Its simple classroom soil sedimentation. I'm sure you did it in primary school.

And this coming from a supposed scientifically inclined individual is saddening. . . Dinosaurs extinction happened approximately 66million years ago and predates the emergence of any human civilization or the flood story place around the bronze age. 2348Bc.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous–Paleogene_extinction_event

I don't think i can just argue over such common knowledge.

malvisguy212:
you say good is used to represent an action that favour man, if what is bad and human called it good, how can you explained it? For atheists, ethics keep evolving; however, morality does not. Right is always right. For what you and your atheists friends are implying here, there is a GREAT EVIL if mankind will adopt your explanation.

. . Can you just represent this in plain simple english, i dont seem to understand the rambling.

malvisguy212:
Let us do this, I want to show you were you are dead wrong,very wrong indeed!!

the Nazis gave orders calling for the "final solution." This law gave officials legal authority to kill the people in the
concentration camps. Now was this law
evil? Was killing people in the camps
evil?

Let me define morality for you again An action or event that decreases human suffering and/or improves societal well being, justice, equality and freedom.

Immorality is an action that increases Individual human suffering, and is a detriment to societal well being; justice, equality and freedom

[size=20]Clearly the Nazi actions increases the sufferings of the victims, and also is a detriment to societal well being, a detriment to the justice,freedom and equality of the victims there for this action is pure immoral.. . It is evil.. as you can see it falls on the scope of an immoral act so it is pure unadulterated evil[/size] And please i wouldn't want you to drag me back again with a similar daft question

malvisguy212:
Answer this question and see how satan is manipulating you to called good bad and bad good, I know you cannot answer it.

I just did and i also gave reasons why it is evil...Unlike you who cant

malvisguy212:
Isaiah say in isaiah 5:20;
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

Thousands of isaiah prophecy come to pass, I think this one also is coming to pass.

Who exactly is calling evil good here... The one who thinks a man burning his child as a sacrifice is good or the one who says its pure evil. . . Really you always amuse me with your childish misconceptions and laughable assertions.

IzonOwei:
@johny...i want you to convince a christian here that an intelligent being that caused all things does not exist...

Stand up to the challenge...

Dont tell us the burden of proof is on believers of God...

What faith does one need to know for a fact that the complexity of the universe and yet its wonders is from an intelligent being...


If not you prove me all of us wrong here on this site...

And as usual you keep going back over the same thing... And i keep telling you the burden of proof is always on you as the claimant not me who lacks the belief. .

This is where you keep failing over and over again. . That you believe
the world was created is not a fact but a belief. . . I can claim a pink
alien created the universe and believe it, this doesn't make it true.
You only believe a god created the universe and it doesn't make this
true. . So why don't you substantiate your claim by proving to us a god
created the universe..
As long as you can't prove a god did this, it remains a claim, cus last
time i checked i can still go by your argument and maintain i created the
universe and the universe is evidence that i created it.
I think you are confusing the stance of you and i. . . There is no faith in
my stance.
Ok let me demonstrate my stance now for easy digestion.
Me: I have a diamond Ball...( Claim)
You: I don't believe you, proof it...(Disbelief)
Me: here see it..**Brings out diamond ball** (Proven, you now know i
have the ball)
Since am the one who claims to have a diamond ball, i cant tell you to
prove that i don't when i have not proven that i have, it is up to me to
prove my claim)
Now on this note.
You: There is a god who created the universe.(claim)
Me: I dont believe you, prove it..(Unbelief)
So it is up to you to prove your assertion. saying the universe as proof is
like using a claim as proof for a claim because you are claiming the god
created the universe and am saying i dont believe it...Doesn't hold
water...

Once it is proven, it leaves the dimension of belief i becomes certainty..sheer knowledge

IzonOwei:
I expected you to use an analogy of what one cant actually see but feel...you are using a diamond ball analogy for a case involving one who caused the whole entire universe into existence...


and I insist you prove to me there isnt any God,,...dont think you can run out with the burden of proof settling on me to prove God exists...it goes both ways..you are also a claimant that God doesnt exist...and for the last time I don't believe an intelligent being caused the universe I KNOW so...and the evidence is all around you..feel it like the gravity you cant see that isaac newton proposed..

As usual it remains a belief that you think something created you universe. . . The stance of unbelief is not the negate...

I cannot say there is no pink diamond unicorn dragon, it has not been proven so cannot be disproved.... I will only say i don't believe you when someone claims there is until it is proven.

Why should i then go about trying to disprove the concept of a god that have not been proven?. . . Once it is unproven, there is practically nothing to disprove.

So as the claimant, the onus is on you to substantiate this claim, if you can't then your lack of proof is enough proof against your claim...

IzonOwei:
and I have answered you on that...creation is an emperical evidence of God which I know...its just that you dont know...and mind you I am not speaking about faith but factual knowledge...

This is where you keep failing over and over again. . That you believe the world was created is not a fact but a belief. . . I can claim a pink alien created the universe and believe it, this doesn't make it true.

You only believe a god created the universe and it doesn't make this true. . So why don't you substantiate your claim by proving to us a god created the universe..

As long as you can't prove a god did this, it remains a claim, cus last time i checked i can still go by your argument and maintain i created the universe and the universe is evidence that i created it.

IzonOwei:
I just gave you evidence of Gods existense..now is your turn to show me evidence not based on faith of what you've learnt from some scientist that there is no God...

I think you are confusing the stance of you and i. . . There is no faith in my stance.
Ok let me demonstrate my stance now for easy digestion.

Me: I have a diamond Ball...( Claim)

You: I don't believe you, proof it...(Disbelief)

Me: here see it..**Brings out diamond ball** (Proven, you now know i have the ball)
Since am the one who claims to have a diamond ball, i cant tell you to prove that i don't when i have not proven that i have, it is up to me to prove my claim)

Now on this note.

You: There is a god who created the universe.(claim)

Me: I dont believe you, prove it..(Unbelief)

So it is up to you to prove your assertion. saying the universe as proof is like using a claim as proof for a claim because you are claiming the god created the universe and am saying i dont believe it...Doesn't hold water...

ndubueze92:
Young woman! I will advice u to be more careful with that... cos we are not in a Philosophy class. Go get a Bible and study it and u will find out that God keeps silent in the times of ignorance waiting see if we Will regain our consciousness, wen we fail he then strikes...I fear where we are heading to....Its gonna be a repeat of the days of Prophet Jeremiah.

Yes, the bible... The supposed word of the universal creator, where 80% of its pages contains the mythological history of one particular people. . . That doesn't sound universal at all.

Blakjewelry:
My mentor use to say never argue with somebody, you might win the argument but you might end up losing a friend.

Oh yes i agree with this, seemples is my good friend and i doubt if our differences affects this fact...

dearpreye:
I don't wanna start bro.

Its only a question...

seemples:
Did it sound like I was proving God's existence to YOU? You alone can prove or disprove His existence to YOU!

With this, it seems this god is just an individual perception then....?

dearpreye:
Emotional? I doubt. It's just that I don't seem to understand them. That doesn't in any way affect my relationship with them....

I've engaged a few....I had to back out. Futile it was.

Ok let me forget your relationship with atheists.


So which redemption where you talking about?