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JigsawKillah:
the fact that the Mesopotamian fables corresponds with what is written in the bible means something. so if according to u, Noah doesn't exist, doesn't Abraham do too?

Jewish myth is jewish myth...

Moreover i bid to go pay mind to your own (african) mythology and leave the jews to theirs...

Africans lost their identity when they decided to carry other people's mythology on their head and forget theirs because some white men in white came and told them...

Am done stating the obvious to you anymore... If you cannot distinguish between mythical fables and real historical facts (supported by acheaological evidences ) then no need.

Btw let me go and read about my own Igbo Odinala (makes more sense to me as an african and an igbo) not some jewish concorted fables in babylon that has nothing to do with me as an african an an igbo...

hisblud:
but my question is do you see us upholding any human sacrifice now in the new testament? The last biblical human sacrifice was Jesus Christ and thus ended biblical sacrifice for both man or animal. Qed

And this good deity demands human sacrifice to forgive sin? why demand blood at all before he can forgive you, worse still human blood.. why not just go ahead and forgive it.

And then in a bid to stop blood sacrifices, he has to use his own son as an ultimate sacrifice that can sate his blood lust, why not just stop it instead of murdering your son.

Does that in any way show perfection? something perfect needs no more improvement or anything else added, and do not change..... but this deity yahweh changes his mind and demands blood to change it.

[size=20] Very Good you have decided to unshackle yourself from the chains of religion, all this religions are all the same. . . thats the same way i untangled myself my the christian religion, they are all fraud and some guys mythical fabrications... learn to think for yourself, and much more happiness and peace of mind will follow.. [/size]

JigsawKillah:
we shouldn't even be arguing these things
our beliefs might differ and there's no proof of anything. let's leave it at that

No their is enough proof... lets see what wikipedia says

The Genesis flood narrative is one of several similar flood myths. The
earliest known written flood myth is the Sumerian flood myth found in the
Epic of Ziusudra . [2] Later and very similar Mesopotamian flood stories
appear in the Epic of Atrahasis and Epic of Gilgamesh texts. Many scholars
believe that Noah and the biblical flood-story derive from the
Mesopotamian versions, predominantly because biblical mythology that is
today found in Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Mandeanism shares
overlapping consistency with far older written Mesopotamian stories of the
Great Flood , and because the early Hebrews were known to have lived in
Mesopotamia, [13] particularly during the Babylonian captivity .

Jews believe abraham came from the land of Ur in Mesopotamia, so most of mesopotamian fables are reworked into jewish fables...

Below is a picture i took from the New Community Bible for you... Notice the circled part, its from the explanations the community bible gives below each Bible stories..

Now continue by googling Flood myths and see more for yourself

bingbagbo:
my brother, this is a big fat lie

it takes CHRIST

it take muhammed...

JigsawKillah:
so in essence, according to you, Noah never existed?

Ofcus noah is a mythical character. . . .

Hiswordxray:
If it is so normal why don't you go ahead and do them. Go and touch people and make them fall. Stay for years without getting sick.

Or are you saying this infamous me have become Micheal Jackson?

Lolzzz its so punny how ur brain works... You clearly have no comprehension of all i wrote there...

People fall because of their emotional outburst in the prayer, I for one have stayed years not getting sick and many people i know have never been sick in their lives, the micheal jackson part u expectedly couldnt comprehend the simple english i used.. people cry or fall when micheal jackson emerges because of their emotional attachments to him...

[size=20] Now can you now tell me my native name? [/size] its obviously a simple task for you since you claim to see and know things like this, see visions and prophecy... so oya am waiting..

JigsawKillah:
less than 2000yrs?
and has been existing before the days of Noah?

And the noah myth is just another plagiarism of the ancient mesopetamian myth of gilgemesh... The mesopetamian flood myth predates that of noah by thousands of years.

And in that story it was the God Ea that told gilgemesh to build a boat, it was copied by the jews making a character noah the hero, in hindu mythology is was Vishnu that was the hero... So get ur facts straight..

sorextee:
I get d book (soft and hard copy). I read am, nothing happen to me. Though it has lots of inscriptions inside. That's what they use in this Japanese comic. Naruto..

na so i see am ooo... some bla bla bla micheal, uriel nacromancy bla bla bla yahwh, eloi nonsense and stuff and i didnt even see any demon

These guys are just nuts... Mtcheeeew

pastorwilly:
HEY HEY STOP FEDING UR SELF WITH TYPE OF DOCTRINE.........IF U DONT GIVE UR LIFE TO JESUS HELLFIRE AWAIT U ALL"ATHEISTS"

The same way muslim hell awaits you for not believing in islam...

so see you in hell

Hiswordxray:
I know you would believe only what you want to believe. But I have seen things that can't be explained. I have broken my hand and watch it got healed before my eyes in just two minutes.
I have known things about people that nobody told me.

hahahahaha so the bone broke into two and joined back again?

Hiswordxray:
I had hold hot iron and it didn't burn me.

Iron man..

Hiswordxray:
I have been bitten by scorpions and bee and yet nothing happened.

Who havent experienced that one...

Hiswordxray:
I have spoken languages I have never learnt. I know a little about Edo language but there was this day I spoke Benin and I could understand very little of what I said because the dialect I knew was different. But I knew it was flaunt Benin I was speaking. And today I spoke Chinese while praying in church.

Now take a look at this... He speaks jibberish in church, says its one language he never knew... how come u knew it was chinese you spoke when you seemingly had no knowledge of chinese... Boy i have seen many people speak in tongues and they certainly just speaking jibberish just like you... it's just spurred on by a very intense emotional outburst..

Hiswordxray:
On Sunday we were praying and God ask me to go lay hand on people (I wasn't a pastor,, just an ordinary member). I obeyed and as I laid hand on people they were falling.

God asked you? leme guess in your mind sheey? and people were falling... lolzz i get that emotional drama. The same way people fall and faint when micheal jackson sings, something that triggers deep emotional outburst causes that. and intense emotional prayers causes that to people just like intense emotional admiration for something like music makes people cry.

Hiswordxray:
I have prophesied, seen vision that later come to past, laid hand on people and immediately got healed, known things that is about to happen with precise details.

Now lets put that to a little test, it would be a nice proof... tell me my native name

Hiswordxray:
I have not fallen sick ever since I realized I don't have to and it been a long time. I can't remember the last time I fall sick.

same here, my brother falls sick almost 3time a year but not me... so nothing special..

Hiswordxray:
There are times I get so filled with the spirit that I literally feel power flowing through me. I feel like I'm going to explode, shock wave all over my hands and feet. And when I touch people they fall under the anointing.

Its called emotional outburst... why do you think most musicians run mad in the stage, or people fall and faint when micheal jackson sings, or why girls cry when wizkid shouts yaaay!

Hiswordxray:
I'm not a pastor, just a little boy who loves God. But God power is His love and His power is undeniable real.

Understandable that you are just a little boy still clasped in the clutches of wishful thinking.... Take a trip to a Krishna temple and they will tell you his powers are undeniable.. its all wishful thinking boy...

Hiswordxray:
But if you choose to live in lies you are only denial yourself of something really good.
God loves you and it grieves Him to see you not enjoying the fullness of His love.

Hahahahaha... i have told you times without numbers that God (sango) loves you and i bid you to embrace him and bask in his love...
now run along and go bring real miracles like ur hand was amputed and it grew back...

Sheenor:
Oh! now i see.. No matter how hard i try to make you understand, you won't just get it. Well am referring to omnipotent and everlasting God, the one and only, the beginning and end, the one who creates us and places us on the planet earth, the King who is royal forever, unchanging God, The creator, who never forgets his creation
. Zeus, Osiris, Thor, Odin, Horus, Krishna are self acclaim god, the truth is where are they today

First i have no idea what you mean by self acclaimed ..

Thor, odin are still worshipped by vikings till today

Krishna is still worshipped by hindus till today as the Creator

Ancient egyptians worshipped osiris and horus and most pegans there still do.

Now all of these gods also claim omnipotency and everlasting.. the beginning and the end.

Now can you tell me which God in particular is this your God that is not self acclaimed?

Or should i put it this way; Where did you derive this your God concept (Unproven as it is)

Sheenor:
What name do you call the creator of heaven and earth? and every other thing in between

As long as i am concerned their is no such entity ... So take your pick in the list of God(s) which are you referring to?

Sheenor:
Yaweh, Jehovah, Allah english name of the aforementioned is God. So i believe in God.

Nope God is a name given to all...

Yahweh is an iron age isreali deity... Jehovah is the english name when you translates the latin word for yahweh "ieovah" to english... YHWH means "I am"

Allah is an arabic name for God, The word has cognates in other Semitic languages , including Elah in
Aramaic, ʾĒl in Canaanite and Elohim in Hebrew . . .

So any deity can bear the distinction Allah or God...

Which of the God do you believe in Yahweh, Zeus, Osiris, Thor, Odin, Horus, Krishna?

sheblayze:
I rarely create threads but had to when I saw the thread where the Pope stated that Atheists will go to heaven even if they don't believe in God as far as they follow their conscience.


It was ironic seeing the reaction of atheists to the Pope's statement. They were overjoyed and kept on trying to prove that indeed the Pope was right.


I knew there was something fishy, but couldn't really point it out until I saw someone's post asking the question. DO ATHEISTS BELIEVE IN HEAVEN?


I do not know if the question was thrashed in that thread. However, we are all learning, the atheists here should please throw more light on the question. I opened this thread solely for this purpose.


Please let's deliberate on this and one more thing, no knowledge is lost.


1. Do atheists believe in heaven?

Firstly heaven is a myth, the concept of heaven was first brought to being by ancient egyptians; The tribunal of osiris where they believed ur soul will be weighted against a feather, if its lighter than the feather then you make heaven if its heavier you dont..

Now for the question of atheist believing in heaven, how can someone who disbelieves the concept of deities or afterlife believe in heaven which also is a theistic afterlife idea.... We do not believe in heaven or hell

We believe that once you are dead, you are dead... not more. all the stories of heavens, hells and afterlife are just wishful thinking nothing more, and a device religion uses to keep the people bound in psychological loyalty.

sheblayze:
2. If yes, what would be your definition of heaven? Would it be the atypical Christian heaven with God as its Head?

....

sheblayze:
3. If indeed the Pope is right, do you guys clamour for a Heaven headed by a God? You don't believe in HIM. Do you still wish to spend eternity with HIM?

We do not vainfully waste our time clamoring for another life when we have not finished living this life we are 100% sure of now.

The pope and other religious leaders should first reconcile their concepts of heaven. Like the islamic heaven is different from the christian concept.
Islam believes only way to make their heaven is through islam and christianity believes same for theirs, the pope just didnt want to sound judgemental.

sheblayze:
4. To everyone here, do you think morality and christianity are one and the same thing?

Morality is not christian, neither is it islamic. Morality is human, it belongs to no ism and does not depend for foundation upon the supernatural or upon any book (be it bible, koran, egyptian book of the dead, enuma elish) or creed. because morality itself is a foundation.

Our morality stems from our humanity and our empathy guides our morality...

[size=20] Morality is human[/size]

sheblayze:
The floor is open to all. Enlightened minds should please discuss.

Oook

Sheenor:
Thanks once again, i like the way you reason. tho for me, i believe the existence of God and i worship him alone. We all are entitle to our belief sha.

Shalom.

Which of the God(s) do you believe? Zeus, yahweh, allah, osiris, odin, thor?

DProDG:
Well, the definition of God is very vague. If a more precise definition/description is given, I'm sure it can be disproven and that's why theists stick with the vague metaphysical/philosophical definitions. If one was to say for eg, God was omnipotent and omnibenevolent, well, it's logical to conclude that he(that 'god' in particular) definitely doesn't exist. Hope you get my point.

Yeah i do... i didnt want to go into personal characteristics of the God(s) characters.

Sheenor:
Thanks so much for well explanatory write up. I don't know what to call you but i know you are really good. Lemme ask you this, is it thinkable that one day we will be able to prove with reasonable certainty the existence or the nonexistence of God?

The concept of God is a thing encompassed in the dimension of faith which itself is unreasonable.. cus people can have faith that a pink unicorn exists and it will in their mind.

Things that can be proven are things are things that can be termed materialistic.
This concept of God as portrayed by different religions is immaterial and therefore can not be proven.

Something that cannot be proven cannot be unproven either. . . if i claim i have a flying unicorn diamond horn, You will find it implausible but yet cannot prove that i don't even when you know i don't.

I on other hand have no proof that i have a flying unicorn but i believe it by faith.

Am not sure that the concept of God can be unproven since it's just a product of wild human imagination. .

Hiswordxray:
If you have faith that when you lay your hand on people they will get heal. And if this actually happens is it a thing of the mind?

If you have faith that sickness can't stay in your body and years later you realize you haven't taken a single drug is it a thing of the mind?

My friend if you want to help me stop being delusional (as you claim) then you would have to explain all the supernatural things I have experienced. I tell you, I have experienced a lot of the supernatural because of my faith and they are so much that I can't even count and it keep multiplying day by day.

So are you ready to start explaining things for me?

The same way you believe ur prayers healed a sick and not the medicine they took is the same way muslims believe theirs..
Their is nothing supernatural going on in this world except that your mind is storngly convicted that their is.

I have fallen sick before and gotten better without medicine, its called immune system working nothing more, you just choose to believe its supernatural..

With all the supernatural occurrence claims by theists, why is it that none have ever being able to prove it and claim the James Randi paranormal challenge of 1million dollars price..

am sure when you are asked the supernatural occurrence you will not say you have simply seen an amputee limb grow back, Or have you ever seen your pastor levitate? Only tricks that can easily be manipulated and that is it...

Sheenor:
Why is it so easy to believe in the Big Bang theory, but so hard to believe in God? Or even God exist??

I have not mentioned i believe in big bang theory, i simply say "I do not know".. That we do not know how something came to be doesnt mean we should come up with an archaic concept or primitive explanation that a deity did it.

Is it not a more noble thing to find out how these things came to be through careful study and scrutnization of available datas. than to kill our intellectual curiosity by just saying a deity did it?

The concept of God(s) is unproven and contradictory...
It was just a human idea to explain things that seemed complex to the men of then.

Ancient men believed the gods had a store room for rain and snow somewhere in the sky(book of job) cus they couldn't explain how these things happen so they just come up with god did it but now we know better than these things are all part of water circle and no store room is involved neither is any deity involved..

in terms of big bang THEORY let me define to you what theory is

(science) A coherent statement or set of ideas that explains [size=20]observed facts or phenomena[/size], or which sets out the laws and principles of something known or observed;[size=20] a hypothesis confirmed by observation, experiment[/size] etc.

its left for you to decide what you want.. Big bang is still under study and can improve as more facts and observations are made...

But for me personally i do not claim to know how the world started cus i opened my eyes and saw the world, i wasn't there before the world.. so how am i supposed to possess such knowledge...

Sheenor:
Has God ever instructed to worship only
him/her in any religious scribe? Why didn't Jesus, the Hindu Gods, Allah or other gods write about
themselves? How much can we believe in, these scribes aren't manipulated?

Those scribes copied and reworked myths from other civilization and most of the times adding their own views to it to suit their culture and belief..

Like the story of Moses mother putting him in a basket is just a fictional reworking of the story of sagon an ancient king of akkad.

None of these god commanded or wrote anything because none actually can be said to really exist outside the minds of the adherents.

Hiswordxray:
That is what faith is. But there is a reward because the unknown God will later become know to you if you try and be patient.

Now you have landed.. FAITH... its just a thing of the mind, if you have faith that krishna exists then it will exist in your mind, if you have faith that a pink unicorn exists then it exists in your mind, if you have faith that yahweh exists then it will in ur mind.. none of this God concepts exists outside the dimension of faith... And faith just goes against reason...

daimsy:
woow wooow! you seems to have in depth knowledge about this phenomenon.are you a religionist?

I did my research hun...

daimsy:
really?
I was skeptical about my thought anyway.because I suspected that I may be wrong.thanks all the same.we learn everyday you know.

Most of the bible mythology and stories are from ancient mesopetamian mythology.. e.g the biblical story of creation, cain and abel is a kenite myth copied by the jewish scribes that wrote the adam and eve story, story of noah is a plaigaration of the mesopetamian flood myth more than a thousand years before... So many examples.. the egyptain Amun' ra covered more moral codes than the 10 commandments and it predates the 10 commandments by thousands of years... Myths are copied and reworked to suit your own culture

daimsy:
I think it's Judaism because actually,that religion gave birth to the commandments which other religion built upon.Judaism can be said to be the foundational religion.

Nope judaism is a young religion compared to egyptian, mesopetiamian, ugarit and canaanites religions from whence it copied many of its myths and laws from..

Every culture and civilizations have their own religions and isreal is a young civilization compared to the ones i mentioned above...

seemples:
Asswear! women don over suffer...God help us!

But I sha hope that's one of the verses oga John says he's speaking for himself and that's not a command from the Lord!

Both religions discriminates against women but people just turn blind eye to theirs and condemn others... its just hypocrisy.

gatiano:
xaxaxa it is not scientology. far from it. It is the real basic history of the black people of the on this planet. and on the science and mathematics of how the african or blackman views the universe. The Blackman and The blackwoman created the universe. from where? and how? its basic of how is in the book.

How did you get to know this history?
who told you?
How did that person know...??

Dude stop hyping this ur black man shiiiiiitttt.... its just another wishful thinking fairy tale.

frank317:
Oh please shut the F**k up.

U openly declare that it is right to subject millions of people, even pregnant women and children, to gruesome death because they sin against your Yahweh.

But when Boko haram slay you lot for not believing in Allah you cry like a Victim.

You must be devil incarnate...wicked soul.

I just marvel at the hypocrisy and the level of evil people will try to defend because of some barbaric jewish deity...

standd:
I am NOT an atheist, I am not even an Agnostic....
I just don't like the way religion is being practised in this corner of the world.
I believe in God and I confess Jesus Christ as my Lord and Personal Savior ( But that's where it ends)

Thats where it starts..

When you start bleeping you stop self service.. simple... So go get some kitty