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Dolemite:
I never really understood that and I am sure you don't understand it either, what did God/Jesus whoever really die for? he's supposed to be God, all powerful, he could've wiped sin off and made earth paradise even from the beginning of time, he is omniscient meaning he knows all, so God knew man would sin but made him anyway and became angry! it's like watching a movie twice and knowing the end of the film is tragic, the whole thing seems like a terrible game show when you really really think about it. Thank GOD I'm an atheist joor!

hahahahahahaha i think they are going to misunderstand that irony

shadowgwalker:
your truth is an irony, are you jealous I woke up early to ask questions with no offence?e dey pain you say I get megabyte for my phone pass you?

lmao... you are so funny bro

malvisguy212:
I have seen Jesus two times, he called me his son,the second time I saw him, he saved me from people who wanted to killed me. This is why I believe in God.

Really...hahahahahaha oh sir regale us that thrilling tale.. we wanna hear it...

Your question should start from a basic root which is " Is the christian version of yahweh same as the judaic(first) version of yahweh..
Is the catholic version same as the the pentecostal and lutherian and gnostic christians?" once you have answered these then you can take it to a wider scope of asking if yahweh is same as allah, el, zeus and others!

DoctorStephen:
Jesus Christ is truly coming again, and the rapture or catching away is real!
Don't believe a lie

And how did you know this is true? a book told you?

Alexis86:
6 of the laws in the 10 commandments
thou shall not kill
thou shall not lie
thou shall not bear false witness
honor your parents
thou shall not comit adultery
thou shall not covert your neigbors things

Yeah quite agreeable... Morality is a product of empathy... for something to be moral it must conform to the good of you, and others and added to the collective good of the society...
If you stole from someone, it hurts the person thereby ur actions are against empathy and therefore is not moral..
If you kiss a girl who also kisses u back, ur actions hurt no one (it pleases both of u instead) their is nothing immoral about it...
Radiate boundless love towards the entire earth, only then will the good in you flow for the good of earth and all in it.

You know sometimes its is just so amusing that people who are expecting golden mansions and white robes in heaven thinks the people who are expecting wives in heaven to be delusional... whats the difference?
lmao......aaaaaaaaah religion nawa ooooo

If you see the comments of Christians in this thread now you will see that
most of them are scared to the marrow of hell, they worship yahweh cus he
threatened to burn you if you don't... yet he is said to be love and just and
merciful all at the same time...that is like eating your cake and having it but
lets not go into that.
(1)
I want whoever is reading this to ask himself "Is a finite sin worth an infinite
punishment?" in plain language The human life as we all know is fleeting
and passes away very quickly lets say like 100years or a little more of that
at most...ok now assuming you start committing sin from the first day you
were born till the day you die (100yrs later) does this worth eternity of
punishment? is it justice? is this characteristic of love? let us leave any
emotional attachment to any religion we practise aside and answer that
question sincerely.
(2)
Ask urself assuming their is life after death in what extension will you exist,
in this planet earth our extension is the human body, we have form.
eyes, nose, mouth tongue, hands, feet, brain, lungs and all this are possible
because we have flesh then if their is a conscious soul that exists after
death in what state? in what form or extension will it exist since we all know
all the things i mentioned above are all human traits.
(3)
Pains as we know it is as a result of sensory neurons in our skin (flesh)
that sends the data to the brain and then it responds to the stimuli/
stimulus.. ok in this assumed state of existing after death, how would you
feel pain? no skin, no brain? not even shape or form? from whence then
comes the pain?
(4)Assuming you are right and their is heaven and hell, you make heaven
and ur mum makes hell and you are fully aware ur mum is burning for
eternity in hell, is that not a torture of its own? can you live with that for
eternity?
(5)Who exactly was hell created for Humans/demons? cus from what you
christians hype (Those that claim to have gone to hell and back) demons
are the ones torturing humans even more than the flames... it leaves me
with a question "Was this hell created for demons or humans?..." did this
god just create hell after creating humans incase man bleeps up, then gather
some more spirit beings keep em there and use em to torture his so loved
humans?
(6)
For all the people shouting "repent for hell is real" if you do something cus
of a reward or cus u might be punished is that thing really good? or you
just did it for ur own selfish interest.
that means without the promise of heaven or threat of hell most of you here
will be bad.
But goodness is not about that "Goodness is doing what is right because
you know it is right" Be good for goodness sake.
..........
If you are good to others because of the promise of heaven, that shows
how little you think of others
If you are good to others because of the threat of hell that shoes how little
you think of urself.. Be good cus it is good.
(7)
How did you get to know that heaven and hell are real?
(a) A book told you?
(b)someone told you?
(c) Did you perceive them with ur conscious mind
if (a) and (b) is ur answer then is that real knowledge? ..how sure are you
that it is the truth?
if (c) is the case it means you have percieved heaven and hell with your
conscious mind just like you do the earth... we have all percieved this earth
with our conscious mind and we all know earth is real, we cant argue about
that!...But we cant say this for neither heaven or hell cus really none of us
have percieved them with our conscious mind.
After all this my conclusion is Be good for goodness sake; Radiate
boundless love towards everything that is known, the earth and every
creature in it and every human in it regardless of any differences...Then you
will learn the true meaning of goodness (morality)
AM NOT HERE FOR ARGUMENT, JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT

Alexis86:
you are right, enjoyment include maintaining moral standards

And what is moral according to u?

shadowgwalker:
did you wake up with cocaine stuffed in your empty skull?with all due respect sir, I mean no offence. I'm just been inquisitive.

Truth be told, you mean much offence... you cant just stand the fact that another person is beginning to question your over dogmatic beliefs...So you take to insults instead of addressing the op.

davien:
The fact that morality is subjective,doesn't change life being preferable to death as minimizing or ceasing pain maximizes happiness....
Well josh,it depends on if you're willing to not just hear yourself talk...
I've never felt any "sweetness of evil" nor love the "flair of doing wrongs"....

The biblical "adam" has nothing to do with morality because it's not based on reality but jewish mythology...
That is the very basis of christianity,to impose the idea that human beings are inherently evil when in reality we have as much potential to do good and evil....
In christianity a homeless korean kid that steals food to eat,has "sinned" and is supposedly going to hell....is that just?
I can see that you have a script to go by,but sadly my question is why a billion generations should pay for one man's mistakes(based on the mythology ofcourse)...

Seriously the type of jagon this people yap here is very annoying..
Who told you humanity is a sin?
You see, they are being taught that their very nature is a sin, that their very existence is a sin. no wonder they always feel the need to be saved cus of the guilt and burden they have been ladened with.
How can someone term humanity a sin based on the mythology of some people.
I dont know about them, their humanity might be a sin unto their mythical god because their mythical adam sinned cus a mythical talking snake deceived his mythical rib wife.
Humanity is beautiful, humanity is wonderful, humanity is good and good only... We all have the ability to do great good and great evil, it isbthe choices we make that determines if what we do is good or evil ...In a very vast universe filled with beauty and wonder, you decide to term yourself as a sin because you are human, well that is good for you.
Just speak for yourself!!! ... honestly Davien sometimes i find it difficult to read the type of shiiii these christians spew here

psucc:
It may be true they do enjoy but what definition do you attached to the word 'enjoyment'?

At the point or end of enjoyment, does the person still have control or maintain his moral standing or integrity? If yes, right. If no, think about it.

Use me as an example;
I am not a theist ..if u are hungry i will give u food, if u need help i will help u, if u are stranded i give u shelter... morality is a product of empathy, i do not do these things in the hope of reward or punishment after am dead, i do them cus i know them to be right and i am a human, empathy is in my nature. i alone set my own standards and i alone enforce it.
Now ask yourself... I that is doing good because it is good and you that is doing good because you expect reward or fear punishment; Who really among us is truly moral?

Alright now most of you all are blaming paul, i thought ALL scriptures are breathed word of god...Or is it that you choose when its convenient enough for you to claim god did it or blame the writer.. "Common christians decide already"

malvisguy212:
macof open the thread.

my dear bro... please lets forget all this, am not the type that like pushing things further..
How are you?

Mcowubaba:
My broda i have answerd ur question, i hav explained in details, discussed, given facts using Physics, Government, Bible.. (imagine=i combined Arts nd Science just to explain to u) i dnt knw wat u need again , i will quote wat 5minsmadness told Dolemite= Why ask a question you
don't want the answer to? Its illogical. I can't force the truth on you, nd i hope u hav nt been blinded/harden by the Evil 1..
4get abt my past on wat Religion i practised as a child, old things have past away...I am a new creation same is applicable to u once u repent nd be Saved...
,,,,,,peace bro.....nd yes we were arguing...!!!....dis messages u have read today from this thread will serve as a witness to u on d Judgement day...
Thanks...
@Mcowubaba...

lmao... question still remains Repent from what? Saved from what?

malvisguy212:
I remember, on one thread, you agreed with the pagan that animals has soul,you guys even went further and claimed animal feel guilt in them, so my points is ; if satan deceive man, why do we have to pay for our sin instead of satan?as long as animal feel guilt and have soul,they are no different from human(according to pagan)

quote the monika let me see... nawa oooo

malvisguy212:
I remember, on one thread, you agreed with the pagan that animals has soul,you guys even went further and claimed animal feel guilt in them, so my points is ; if satan deceive man, why do we have to pay for our sin instead of satan? as long as animal feel guilt and have soul,they are no different from human(according to pagan) visit here for the answer you seek https://answersingenesis.org/genesis/garden-of-eden/what-about-the-snake-in-the-garden-of-eden/

Cant you just quote the monikar where i said animals have souls here?...habaa honestly must you guys lie? .... their is a basic morality in every animal which is driven by empathy.
Just check the type of confused you are; Seriously? I can never argue with you again, Just take all the time you need and think about all you wrote.
This ur god created ur satan and allowed him deceive man even tho he already knew, then gets angry at man and is still holding men responsible down to this generation... mehn this una jewish god lacks the very basics of morality....Ur bible never mentioned the devil possessed the snake in genesis, it just said the snake was the most cunning of all animals, but you all are assuming that somehow the devil possessed it...
U havent even answered the question... Was it the devil or the talking snake (hahahahaha...talking snake)

Mcowubaba:
my broda no need to shake ur head, u have no longer argument...repent nd be Saved...m waitin for uu....Remain blessed

was not even arguing with you... if i were you would know... clearly i dont think arguing with you is necessary... i asked you a simple question you cant even give a simple answer... Repent from what? saved from what?

malvisguy212:
you just want to derailed the topic, but I would answer you.

Can human see a spiritual being? Is it not until he possessed a flesh?just as God possessed a flesh and dwell among us, that how satan possessed the serpent.

lolzzz satan possessed the snake and the snake was punished is that it?

Mcowubaba:
my parents were traditionalist but letter converted to Christianity.......

and what religion did you practise?

nnamdiosu:
don't mind them atheists . thru are just contradicting themselves. initially he said he doesn't believe, bug later he prayed. but its OK sha. everyone will pray one day to God. either here where God will hear on in hell where he won't hear.

Cat got ur brainz ?? So you people dont know what irony is? habaa

malvisguy212:
“Did God actually
say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the
garden’?” And the woman said to the
serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the
trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You
shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is
in the midst of the garden, neither shall
you touch it, lest you DIE.’” But the
serpent said to the woman, “You will not
surely die. For God knows that when you
eat of it your eyes will be opened, and
you will be like God, knowing good and
evil.” (Genesis 3:1-5 ESV).

She know eating from the tree will be a caused i.e died, but satan trick her, will you stress your self and trick someone who has no knowledge? Satan say "did God said" this is an attempt to lied against God.

Answer the question; Was it the snake or the satan..if it was satan why then was the snake punished?... and from this your passage the woman never knew it was evil to eat the fruit she only thought she would die. she had no knowledge of good and evil not even knowing she was naked... now why bear this grudge from adam and eve down to this ur own generation, holding everybody responsible for a sin committed by two people out of IGNORANCE ??
Ok am done arguing over jewish mythology with you... you are from a tribe in Nigeria and every people have their own creation story. "can you please tell me that of your tribe?"

Mcowubaba:
i get ur point on people blaming every misfortune (esp. Africans) on d devil, i believe u r a logical man, EVERY BAD deed/THOUGHT/action is definately 4rm d evil 1, we were created in the image nd likeness of God, but it is d Devil that pollutes our mind to do bad, as u earlier mentioned d serpant giving Eve apple to eat, dat Ancient serpant, accuser of brethren, devil (dis r the names d Bible refers d evil 1 to in Revelation) the evil 1 is always working day nd night trying to cause confusion among humans, so those that r susceptible (low immunity= non believers, weak Christians) will follow his evil.... In physics (i dnt knw weda u r a science student sha) if u R =remember law of Inertia, 1 of Newtons laws of motion whic states that an object remains in a particular postion/motion unless external forces distort it, Same is applicable to humans, a Human remains in a Godly way of life nd practise except the devil (external force) distorts the person...so yes the devil is Responsible for any bad deed, dats what he represents....

SMH...

Mcowubaba:
@ Dolemite.......
We think outside the box...i was not indoctrinated into Christianity, i grew up nd knew the True Religion nd Salvation which is Christainity, is a religion of peace, salvation, love nd prosperity...pls tell me wat exactly u dnt like about Christianity in terms of the practise

Tell me... what religion was ur parents practising and which of them did yo practise as a kid...

Dolemite:
No one can answer my question! funny isn't it?

hahahahaha seriously how du expect deluded minds to think outside d box of reasoning set by an ancient primitive mythical book to give u a reasonable answer...
ofcus none of it makes sense to them either but they just av to believe and not question it cus they av been indoctrinated into it from childhood...

malvisguy212:
honestly,you speak like satan'satanic manipulation'

Before satan even tempt eve, she know eating from the tree is a disobedient to God, why did satan trick eve? If eve had no slightest idea of good and evil, then no need for satan to trick her.

lolzzz i speak like i am being manipulated by your myth..funny...

Wait a minute "Was it the devil or the talking snake that deceived eve??
How did she know disobedient was bad when she have not eaten from the tree of knowledge?
If she already had an idea of good and evil then what is the essence of eating the fruit ?
Hahahahahahahahahahaha i really love ur emotionally ladened speeches always!!!

Mcowubaba:
Saved from the vices of the Devil (lust, adultery, murder,drunkeness, stealing e,t,c) which is Resident in the World, d evil 1 is on earth roaming about looking for who to decieve

Oh yes i do commit murder, steal, commit adultry as much as i want and the much i want is 0... i set my own standards...

Mcowubaba:
Saved from the vices of the Devil (lust, adultery, murder,drunkeness, stealing e,t,c) which is Resident in the World, d evil 1 is on earth roaming about looking for who to decieve

Call me when you start taking responsibility for ur deeds and actions and not blaming or crediting any devil or deity for it...

Mcowubaba:
my guy abeg abeg port come Christianity, just try am Ist make i hear say u no go like am....give it a try..

Lol...Ok

Mcowubaba:
Repent from condemnation, be Saved from the sins of the world, Blessed R those who have not seen but yet believed, U can never ever 'understand GOD' if u do, HE is no more GOD, only wat HE choses to reveal to you is what you will knw, those Ancient words R pure nd True nd yes the r Beyond 'normal' human science, logic nd understanding, whic is nt needed in Christianity, in Christianity we R xpected to serve God in Spirit, Truth nd Honesty wen u do this, the ancient words=BIBLE, will mak more meaning to u, without this u may neva ever understand the Bible, it will all look like a 'fairy tale' Everybody can read the Bible nd intepret it to suite anything the want, but the Bible has only 1 message of Truth without (in lay mans term)= 'subscription' u will nt knw the truth, how do u then subscrib= repent and Accept Jesus Christ as ur personal Lord nd saviour
nd nt only my Brain but my whole body is intact ...God bless u bro...CHANGE=

hahahahahaha it amazes me the type of brainz these religious fanatics have... anyways leme just continue with my questions for question sake..
Condemnation?...Who condemned you in the first place?
Saved from what??...