Christianity Etc › Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by johnydon22(op): 6:48pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
mumureloaded: on a serious note, I think God exist but what I'm not sure of is that do you have reasons why you think God may exist? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by johnydon22(op): 6:47pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
fulaniHERDSman: God exists and that's why you dey find idle people to argue with You are probably right or maybe it is the other way round |
Christianity Etc › Forget Personal Beliefs And Sentiments, Let Us Discuss The Existence Of God by johnydon22(op): 6:30pm On Apr 14, 2018 |
I want everyone jumping into this thread to bear one thing in mind. This is not.
Atheist versus theist argument.
This is not an argument of one person must be wrong and the other right. I'd rather enjoy an argument based on clear cut objectiveness to the subject raised where we all admit to the validity of each other's points to the discussion.
No personal banter, no emotional arguments. let's just have a productive discussion even if we do not agree, we still learn a bit more from each other.
For the sake of intellectual exercise, i will take no position based on the subject, i will present my points and counter points from both perspectives.
So let us start.. the premise is.
Does God exist?
bring your points for or against the premise, or just ask questions you deem important.. |
Romance › Re: You Used To Call Me Fat, Now You Want My Number- Lady Shares Massive Weight Loss by johnydon22(m): 4:33pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
funmisticqueen: she felt healthier, not necessarily good. Flaunting their body doesn't prove anything, it could be attention seeking. they just allowed themselves to conform to society's standard They are still welcome to chose to remain fat. it is not like anyone is being beaten to go lose weight. Fat is not healthy, aesthetically, slimmer figures are better looking, medically healthier, physically more active. You can by all means stay with your own standards, but please be comfortable in it and don't expect anyone (society) to change in order to accommodate your insecurities. Calling a fat person fat is not an insult, its a statement of the simple truth. 'you are fat' if she takes it as an insult, her mind is the problem, it means by default she finds something really wrong with the way she is. If you love your body the way it is then really love it and be proud of it. Don't project your own insecurities on others in a bid to play the victim's card. |
Education › Re: Rare Historical Photos That They Never Showed Us In School by johnydon22(m): 4:12pm On Apr 10, 2018 |
mhisbliss: I don't blame you, i blame the Nigerian educational system and MTN 10mb and itel for giving you the avenue to be like this, must it be Africa before it can be classified as history  No. it must be Africa or at least reflect a good percentage of African theme before it can be classified as important to me in an African school, located in an african country teaching an African child. Always so quick to hint on wealth and educational background against people you have not a single clue about. Oh what a life we live on social media. LOL Well, that goes too. |
Education › Re: Rare Historical Photos That They Never Showed Us In School by johnydon22(m): 11:54pm On Apr 09, 2018 |
Nice historical pictures they never showed you in school, then goes ahead and show me pictures that have no relation or pointer to african history and influential figures.
why the hell would anyone show these to me in the first place in school? |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by johnydon22(m): 12:31pm On Apr 05, 2018 |
sonmvayina: Lucifer is a title like you said....which means light bearer, so that means lucifer must be a "she" as only women has the capacity to bear, men just provide the seed. The bible also says that Jesus is the light..john8:12,
So figure it out, one of her title is also morning star, which is also found in the litany of mary....
Just imagine the deception? Anyone can bear the title of morning sun. even jesus himself holds that title. Easter exultet |
Christianity Etc › Re: Let The Athiests Come In Here Lets Settle Ourselves by johnydon22(m): 7:48am On Mar 18, 2018 |
EzeDictator: I Like Issues Direct And Straight To The Point... Athiest come And Lets Ask Ourselves questions About God, the Bible and Your Disbeliefs... Lets Keep It Matured and Straight... WE ARE HERE TO EDUCATE OURSELVES AND NOT ARGUE BLINDLY... I Dont Know Much Of The Athiests here... Seun, lalasticlala... Christians Can Join All right, i am interested. Even though using the label "Atheist" is quite linear structured for my liking or world view but lets go ahead and see where this goes |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Sumerian Tables Account On The Flesh And Blood Gods Of The Bible. by johnydon22(m): 2:53pm On Mar 17, 2018 |
ifenes: The Tablet called the first successfully created homosepiens( after lots of trial and errors) Adamu, which the Hebrews call Adam. The Anunnaki put the new slave workers to work in the mine.I guess this story inspired Genesis 2:11 of the Christian bible The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.. Please look it up yourself to confirm.
The Semitic word Avod means " worship literally means "Work for" , hence early man had no choice but to worship their gods. This was all about Gold.
According to the Sumerian tablets, the Anunnak were giants compared to the homosepians. Because the sole purpose of the homosepians was to worship/work for the anunaki, they were educated in skill, academic affairs and technology. It got to the point that the work was too much for them and the new human race were steril, they were again re-engineered to reproduce. This later led to overpopulation and thus some were chased out of the mining city- this gave rise to the story of The garden of Eden.
As humans evolved to become more intelligent, some of the Anunaki leaders breed with the homosepian females and the children who were born as a result of this forbidden Union were known as Nehpilim. This practices enraged Enlil, who was saw this practice as a great "sin". Enlil was the Anunnaki leader of that time on colony Earth. He was the half brother of Enki. Enlil wanted to make sure that no human will rise to power and potentially rule Nibiru. Naturally the interbreeding increased that risk and also the fact that the humans were vastly curious and increasing in knowledge. How so can giants mate with average sized homosapien women? |
Christianity Etc › Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by johnydon22(m): 3:27pm On Mar 12, 2018 |
If respect my beliefs or religion means don't have a negative opinion (or say it out) about my religion, then i am the last guy you want to tell that to. Nothing should be above criticism or even ridicule |
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Christianity Etc › Re: You Atheists, Are Wrong! by johnydon22(m): 5:05pm On Mar 08, 2018 |
budaatum: What do you think atheist? Is op right?
P.s. No ignoring aloud! How do we really reply to this question. You already made it clear on your post You atheists are wrongYou already have a preconceived idea on the correctness of the atheistic stance so i have a feeling this is more of a See. you are wrong, i am right than a question stimulated by an intellectual need. How do we reply the quoted OP when his argument is formulated on an unsubstantiated claim? That is not how logic or rule of argument works. You exist as an atheist because God existsis a claim. largely flawed - but i won't dwell on that. But this claim rather as a statement is vague and undemonstrated at best. For this confident remark to be valid in an argumentative ground, our OP must demonstrate the substantial elements of his statement (claim) Tell us the direct relationship between "exist as an atheist" and "God exists" Tell us how this conclusion can be derived. Till then, there really is nothing to refute on this post because it bears nothing. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Freethinkers- Do You Ever Feel Lonely? by johnydon22(m): 4:58pm On Mar 08, 2018 |
rinrin23: Freethinking is not a cult or religion that you convert to. Your "already being done" scheme is to subdue people into adopting your self and clan determined "superior" religion.
A freethinker does not think he/she superior, but capable of seeing things from multiple vantage points and thereby gaining unrivaled insight into a matter. The more you seek (multi and not unidirectional), the more you shall find.
I agree some atheists and freethinkers make noise here just as much as the religionists. However, what I have been able to observe in my many years of being on this platform is that the silent ones, the ones that force you to think, without prejudice or an underlying motive to convert you, usually are the most enlightened on the matter. And would rather have you reason your way into belief or unbelief as the case may be, by asking questions and dropping hints. This way you find your own way to enlightenment, as opposed to being told what to do and what to think.
So as for shouting at the rooftops, let's evolve past worshipping the loudest vessel. We know how the saying goes beautiful.. MuttleyLaff: Wow, wow, wow. Am turned into a siren all of a sudden May i join the siren crew? |
Science/Technology › Re: 10 Ancient Chinese Inventions That You Never Thought Were Chinese by johnydon22(m): 1:26pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
Nice and informative. I do however think alcohol beverages dates farther than 2000BC but i am probably wrong. I will research on it now then |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Greatest Regret As An Agnostic Atheist by johnydon22(m): 12:23am On Mar 07, 2018 |
Bro start going to church and all. They will buy it. You may throw in a testimony or something.
Keep your business afloat. |
Nairaland General › Re: Beautiful Pictures I Saw On The Internet Today by johnydon22(m): 5:35pm On Mar 06, 2018 |
UncleSnr: Lol... On a norm, chameleon doesn't sit. Welcome back  So your so called "beautiful picture" is it really beautiful? My mind is just black  |
Nairaland General › Re: Beautiful Pictures I Saw On The Internet Today by johnydon22(m): 4:22pm On Mar 06, 2018 |
UncleSnr: Lol. You no trust them ba! Common mehn!!! Just look at that picture. A chameleon sitting on it's back. Yeap totally, that dude is dead  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Freethinkers- Do You Ever Feel Lonely? by johnydon22(m): 4:15pm On Mar 06, 2018 |
tintingz: I think it is about the society, an average Nigerian don't even know what atheism means, they don't know "atheism/atheist" exist but in western countries they know well what atheism means, that's why the mother is more concern about her daughter being an atheist than her not believing in God.
Athiesm as been associated with many things, I think that's what Dawkins is taking advantage of in a debate. Well true that. I first learnt their are people who don't believe in God as a JSS1 minor in the seminary. And i agree it was a lot for me to take in back then. I hardly believed that was true  |
Science/Technology › Re: Scientist Accuses NASA Of Hiding 'alien' Fossil Evidence On MARS by johnydon22(m): 3:20pm On Mar 06, 2018 |
Did this scientist reveal possible reasons why NASA may have opted to hide this evidence from the public?
What does NASA stand to gain from this secrecy? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Freethinkers- Do You Ever Feel Lonely? by johnydon22(m): 3:17pm On Mar 06, 2018 |
tintingz: Richard Dawkins in a debate said he doesn't like label, he prefer to be called non-theist, but he later decided to be label as an atheist because he want to create that seriousness in mind of his opponent. For Dawkins it is a matter of our side and their side. He cited an example from a movie where a girl said to her mother she is an atheist and doesn't believe in God and the mother responded "you don't believe in God I don't mind you might be joking but an atheist, an atheist?!" Ok. this is funny  |
Nairaland General › Re: Beautiful Pictures I Saw On The Internet Today by johnydon22(m): 2:50pm On Mar 06, 2018 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Freethinkers- Do You Ever Feel Lonely? by johnydon22(m): 8:57am On Mar 06, 2018 |
MizMyColi: Yes, fluidity. That's the word.
I think that that helps you relate better with others, irrespective of where you think they are.
Cos sometimes, the path of enlightenment comes with pride, and it's not healthy.
Labels are quite a nice route to that kind of pride.
I find that maintaining a state of humility, not just so people can say "Ohh, look at her, she is so brilliant and knows so much about esoteric stuff, yet she so down to earth" - in fact, that shouldn't be a motivation at all (in my opinion at least).
I think that it should come from a place of KNOWING, yet assuming the posture of a seeker, always, always. I agree with this. There is a certain degree of condescending stance inherent in the adoption of labels. Somehow we all know better, somehow we are all better. Labels also narrows our views to a confined space, diminishes the periphery of our ideological basis. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Freethinkers- Do You Ever Feel Lonely? by johnydon22(m): 8:17am On Mar 06, 2018 |
MizMyColi: No, I am not a Christian.
I like to see my self as Nothing in that regard. I understand this position perfectly. Labels can be restricting and an unnecessary confinement. They throw out a subtle presumption about you to people who do not know you or what you stand for. Recognizing or reconciling with no label is the best way to live. you broaden your horizon past the confines of people's tags which more than often forms the basis of their assumption of who you are. I do not like labels myself (of late) people sometimes force you to walk a straight line |
Christianity Etc › Re: Freethinkers- Do You Ever Feel Lonely? by johnydon22(m): 7:54am On Mar 06, 2018 |
superhumanist: Freethinking is the right approach to personal enlightenment. Ignore the boy |
Christianity Etc › Re: Freethinkers- Do You Ever Feel Lonely? by johnydon22(m): 7:54am On Mar 06, 2018 |
Martinez19: lucky you bro. At least you started early but I started at 20 as an atheist. Wasted my teenage years reading and memorising the bible, couldn't date my dream girl because of church doctrines and being too spiritual. If only I had sat down earlier to think. All I needed was to sit down and think. It is well bro, seeing the world as it is and knowing the truth brings freedom. Ignore the guy quoting you on this. He is quoting everyone to get attention |
Christianity Etc › Re: Freethinkers- Do You Ever Feel Lonely? by johnydon22(m): 7:53am On Mar 06, 2018 |
butterflyl1on: A church is a fellowship of people with like minds not necessarily for worship. You are the one who is ignorant.
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Christianity Etc › Re: Freethinkers- Do You Ever Feel Lonely? by johnydon22(m): 8:33pm On Mar 05, 2018 |
Martinez19: I don't feel lonely. I don't either. I'm just recanting the beginning of my journey |
Christianity Etc › Re: Freethinkers- Do You Ever Feel Lonely? by johnydon22(m): 2:54pm On Mar 05, 2018 |
My journey have been weird or perhaps an incessant evolution that have seen my faiths and doubts dashed against cold hard truths of reality. I have questioned everything i know at every turn, i have been arrogant in my ignorance, condescending in my teachings, aggressive in my defense, unteachable in my debates - I was a young atheist, i just newly agreed or found out that i didn't believe in God.
Yes it was a lonely journey.
First i had lots of questions, when i asked people recoiled away from me, they feared to answer. My questions were daring and true, i yearned so hard for someone to bring forth answers that could satisfy this curiosity.
the world was changing right before my eyes and nobody else around me could see this change.
I lost awe in the faith of creation by "let there be light" it suddenly was not sufficient enough, it could not account for the depth and intricacies of the world around.
they must be more, they had to be more.
I'd throw subtle questions at Papa, Mama, Siblings, friends or anyone else that i could. ever careful to mask the full intent of my questions to avoid the possibility of an inevitable backlash.
"Why do you think God started to create the world?" I'd ask "Do you really think humans are just clay sculptures given breath by God?"
"Don't question God, John" Papa would say with a glaring look that discouraged me from any further questions that danced on the edge of blasphemy.
It wasn't enough, there must be more to it than just this. But i was alone in my thoughts.
The courage of my questions were met with strict castigation. You are playing with fire young man.
I recoiled to my shell, spent more time alone. Prayed and read and for a moment i found a perfect blend between God and me, between my quest to know and my faith.
Gradually i began to see a different God. gradually God became more for me than just a divine wrath seeking undiluted retribution and piety. God became more than a divine authority ready to dose out punishment at will. God became more than a constant reminder of my vulnerabilities as a human. became more than an authority i had to appease at every turn for my constant transgressions. God became more than a cosmic need for incessant praise. I lost faith in the logic that suggests i had to apologize everyday just for being human. I made nonsense of the doctrine that thinks i was dragged into a test for no reason at all. I refused to be a living condemnation over a supposed transgression at the beginning of creation.
But no one else saw this God with me.
I tried to paint a picture of this God but i'd get a cold stare, a fearful snub or a threatening admonition.
I was in the middle of a crowd, in the middle of loved ones but i was alone. My mind was filled up and ran over, i pined to share, i was nearing my limit and i felt i'd burst any minute.
Nobody could hear me scream, they shushed and snubbed.
My questions became even bolder. Became even more daring and if you will more courageous.
I dared to question the existent of God himself.
My mind lacked substance for God might be or what God is. The role of God in the cosmos was lost to me. There was more to everything than this earth, the stage was too grand for us.
I was losing my mind as well as losing God - perhaps because people told me that i was.
I tried to hold on but i was slipping.
I found holes in almost every word the preacher says. I could give him ten reasons why i thought he was wrong for every time he implied to know the mind of God.
I argued with evangelists. challenged Jehovah witnesses - Got an angry or pitiful look in return each time.
My loneliness was slowly turning into a burning need to challenge the status quo. To reach into everyone's mind and challenge their beliefs. But a pinch of fear lingered on when i was in the middle of loved ones.
So even though great many others knew what i had turned into, even though i already carved out a reputation among preachers as 'That intelligent boy that the devil is using'
i couldn't bring myself to show my family just who i was. How could i ever bring out myself as the "tool of the devil" before their eyes.
A lost soul. fallen from grace.
That would kill mama, papa would literally send me out.
So before them, my piety was intact. I said every decade of rosary with that loud doubt, every mystery represented a question i hoped they would listen to and answer.
My loneliness persisted.
Finding succor only on the internet that became a pronounced part of my world during these times. I was fascinated by friends that shared my thoughts, friends i never met before, friends without face or voice but they gave me a little hint that i was not alone..
I am ranting now maybe i should cut this short.... The journey is very long |
Christianity Etc › Re: God Doesn't Exist by johnydon22(m): 7:05pm On Feb 15, 2018 |
Ok |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Will Happen If An Atheist Is The President Of Nigeria? by johnydon22(m): 4:13pm On Feb 14, 2018 |
Nothing special. If he is a good man and knows how to govern a nation, Nigeria will prosper, if he is not then we will still be in the same mess. This also goes for a religious president |
Crime › Re: Women Should Be Careful With The Rape Card by johnydon22(op): 12:08am On Feb 09, 2018 |
ugoswaggz: this girl is useless o, god will punish u hahahaha easy oo my brother |
Romance › Re: I Feel Heartbroken Right Now. If It Were You, Pls What Will You Do? by johnydon22(m): 8:40am On Feb 08, 2018 |
managermahmud: Before I say anything, I'll advice you never to trust a woman. Not even your wife. I'm going to be brief and straight to the point. In case you come across spelling or grammatical error, kindly ignore
I have a girlfriend I've been dating for 2 years now. We met in school and I was 1 year more than her in school. I graduated last year and she will graduate this year. When I met her, she was a virgin and has never been exposed to sexual life. I deflowered her and ever since our love life flourished more even though there were challenges and misunderstanding along the line which is something that is bound to happen anywhere. But I sincerely love her. Even though I have another girlfriend which she knows about (the reason for the other girlfriend is an entire story on its own)... Before I finally went home last year, our frequency of sex increased to the extent that my gf was telling me that she is now addicted to sex. The day she told me that, I smiled but deep down me, I knew I was in for a trouble. So in order to test her loyalty, I seriously advised her to get another bf at home who will satisfy her urge and let me know about the guy. She seriously kicked against that then I felt elated within me that I'll be safe
So last week I visited her in school and planned on spending a week since I have friends who can accommodate me for the time, only for me to find out that she has a very close male friend who was my 2 year Junior in school then, same department. This night upon visiting her, in order to clear my doubt, I called the guy talked in length with him on how serious I am with my girlfriend, and mentally threatened him that if he betrays me he'll regret it. So he opened up to me that although they are close friends, he has only slept with her once. And then he apologized. I thanked him for being sincere. Then I went back to see my girlfriend, I demanded that she should be honest and sincere to me, she should tell me all that has happened while I was away. She still insisted that nothing happened.
I took time to narrate this and to source for advice on what I should do cos I'm into a serious relationship with her. My family are aware of us and hopefully we'll be getting married after her youth service. She is in her finals now. I feel really heartbroken and disappointed You are an idiot |