Christianity Etc › Re: African Traditional Religion Thread. by johnydon22(m): 8:16pm On Jan 14, 2018 |
dalaman:
. I haven't met much people that practice ATR . The few ones ive met display the Nollywood outlook. I really doubt those are dibias. Anybody can set up a shrine to what ever spiritual stuff they want to claim. But being a dibia is more than just claiming it or setting up a shrine. That someone has a shrine set up with red clothes doesn't necessarily mean such a person practice the traditional religion or is a dibia. There are some important questions like: What Alusi is the shrine dedicated to? On whose authority was his/her dibia status confirmed or conferred. Dibias don't have those Nollywood gittup, nope not at all. That is just a representation of a generation marred by Ignorance and Abrahamic bigotry bent on painting the African traditional values black |
Christianity Etc › Re: Hypocrisy And Irony Of The Christian Religion by johnydon22(op): 6:58pm On Jan 14, 2018 |
Martinez19: Hypocrisy and stupidity are two of the things keeping faith alive. It's ironic that Jesus hated hypocrisy |
Christianity Etc › Re: Hypocrisy And Irony Of The Christian Religion by johnydon22(op): 6:57pm On Jan 14, 2018 |
CatfishBilly: Apt.
Broad daylight hypocrisy. The worst part is, nobody says anything... A Christian would burn a shrine then shout that he is being persecuted if he isn't allowed to burn another .. There isn't any difference here from Islamic Jihadists, both fundamentally want the same thing |
Christianity Etc › Re: Hypocrisy And Irony Of The Christian Religion by johnydon22(op): 6:56pm On Jan 14, 2018 |
UncleSnr:
 Seun, Lalasticlala Come and ban me  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Hypocrisy And Irony Of The Christian Religion by johnydon22(op): 6:56pm On Jan 14, 2018 |
adepeter2027: Wow Interesting.
But you know what?
God works in mysterious ways. The gate of hell shall not prevail I know all too well.. So many of them won't still imagine the God of the shrine they burnt working in mysterious ways too |
Christianity Etc › Re: African Traditional Religion Thread. by johnydon22(m): 6:54pm On Jan 14, 2018 |
dalaman: All of them are scammers. Traditional African religion is associated with evil everywhere. If you want to harm another person them you go to the ATR priest to do that, you want to make money, same thing, you want to dominate others, same thing. ATR is ONLY associated with magic and nothing else. The priest have oversized powers accorded to them by members of the public and they always abuse it. You watch a lot of Nollywood brother People don't practice ATR for personal upliftment only for one evil or selfish aim or the other. Then you haven't met those who practise Odinani .. Probably drew your judgement from hear say and Nollywood hoolla balloo |
Christianity Etc › Re: African Traditional Religion Thread. by johnydon22(m): 6:52pm On Jan 14, 2018 |
sonofluc1fer: Yeah, I still want to. But I all have is book knowledge, which isnt really knowledge. I want something practical..unfortunately, i couldnt visit villa this past holidays. My uncle who was a Dibia died this October. There are many old men and knowledgeable dibias we can meet. |
Christianity Etc › Re: African Traditional Religion Thread. by johnydon22(m): 6:51pm On Jan 14, 2018 |
dalaman: African traditional religions need to be reformed, but unfortunately it has few adherents that are contemporary and educated. Most priest are illiterates that reside in remote villages. Reformed? Yes. But the fundamental principles of Odinani maintained... Illiterates? It depends on our definition of that word though |
Christianity Etc › Re: African Traditional Religion Thread. by johnydon22(m): 6:50pm On Jan 14, 2018 |
sonofluc1fer: This especially. And then also, a lot of scammers/fakes esp those on fb..even one or two or NL. Those are not traditionalists... There is a difference between a Dibia and someone wearing Bollywood costumes.. Dibias don't even bother with the funny wardrobe |
Christianity Etc › Re: African Traditional Religion Thread. by johnydon22(m): 4:20pm On Jan 14, 2018 |
sonofluc1fer: Wouldn't you consider those small cults sects too? Think of it like cult branches in a religion. Example. Cult of Saint Anthony of Padua and Opus dei in Catholic church Also, are these Gods different manifestations of one God, or do they act of their own volition/will? Independent beings created by Chukwu (Spirits of Natural manifestations) Nature of God. Man's place in God's world. Man's relationship/interaction with God. Will answer this with my laptop I grew up in a Christian home and knew only Christianity until early in my adult life. My transformation to an atheist hasn't dislodged completely some ideas I had about God when I was Christian.
I find it's better to have a general idea of a religion, or gain some sort of familiarisation with the basic concepts/ideas, before going deeper. Didn't you and I want to write a book on Odinani? |
Christianity Etc › Re: African Traditional Religion Thread. by johnydon22(m): 2:04pm On Jan 14, 2018 |
hypemarket: any religion can break into different sects provided there is this huge void of wants and greed in man. Me sef want to start my religion tho' The main variation of sects and denominations are varying dogmas, doctrines and theological philosophies. The doctrines of Igbo odinani are pretty basic and give little room for uncalled variations. |
Christianity Etc › Re: African Traditional Religion Thread. by johnydon22(m): 1:54pm On Jan 14, 2018 |
sonofluc1fer: Was the Igbo religion (Odinani) also broken into sects like we have in Christianity? I would say No. Though, the Religion recognizes many Gods and spirits. This means distinct shrines and modes of worship and festivals peculiar to varying Gods. A close to affinity to a particular God by maybe an individual or community more than any other. And small cults that are formed most times exclusive to a particular God. What was its philosophy? Philosophy of Odinani? |
Christianity Etc › Re: African Traditional Religion Thread. by johnydon22(m): 1:42pm On Jan 14, 2018 |
tjmc: Following numerous thread here for both the Christians muslims atheist and non atheist alike. I think we would be doing great injustice to the African traditional practitioners if they are not given a to discuss their own religion.
First I strongly believe in our tradition.
Feel free to share your experiences I like this thread. I as a person leans well on the African traditional religion. I have always had the idea that us as Africans abandoning this religion to adopt foreign ones is stupid on our own part. I am currently writing a story to bring African mythology to the modern world "Legends of Amadioha" and after this numerous seminars and talk shows will follow. I am glad to be here and ready to answer questions of Igbo religion and spirituality |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does Evolution Negate Design? by johnydon22(op): 1:36pm On Jan 14, 2018 |
urahara: Evolution kind of makes god look......... superfluous.... Not necessarily. Just not omnipotent or omniscient. Shows God also is evolving in intellect and skill |
Christianity Etc › Hypocrisy And Irony Of The Christian Religion by johnydon22(op): 1:35pm On Jan 14, 2018 |
On the admonition of the Holy spirit he went down and burnt the village shrine.
His congregation sang songs of praise, they hailed both God and pastor for a job well done as the blazing fire ate everything.
"If their God is powerful, why didn't he stop his shrine from going up in flames?" Pastor boasted to a jeering crowd who laughed and clapped at his remark.
Getting back to the church premises, it has been razed to the ground. Some group of Jihadists had thrown a bomb into the complex and everything was destroyed.
"Oh they are persecuting us" The pastor moaned "We are facing tribulations for Christ"
the crowd behind him cried and prayed to God, their heart firmly resolved to take on the persecution for the sake of Christ.
None of them asked the same question "if our God was powerful, why didn't he stop the church from getting blown up"
No, this is different to them, this is persecution.
Jesus fought against hypocrites all his life, then created the greatest hypocrites the world have known after going back to heaven.
The Irony and hypocrisy of Christianity |
Christianity Etc › Re: What's The Yardstick For Interpreting The Christian Bible? by johnydon22(m): 1:23pm On Jan 14, 2018 |
There are none. From experience; What ever you feel should be the meaning is probably the holy spirit telling you it's the meaning, so just go with that. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism Is A Religion by johnydon22(m): 1:19pm On Jan 14, 2018 |
God, people are dumb
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TV/Movies › Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe by johnydon22(m): 4:18pm On Jan 13, 2018 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: I'm An Atheist That Thinks That Premarital Sex Is Wrong. Is This Unusual? by johnydon22(m): 5:48pm On Jan 12, 2018 |
urahara: Loooll
Funny enough some homosexuals find heterosexual acts disgusting So this affirms that finding something disgusting is totally ok. Everyone is not obligated to like something just because you do |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm An Atheist That Thinks That Premarital Sex Is Wrong. Is This Unusual? by johnydon22(m): 5:48pm On Jan 12, 2018 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: I'm An Atheist That Thinks That Premarital Sex Is Wrong. Is This Unusual? by johnydon22(m): 5:46pm On Jan 12, 2018 |
Seun: You know that women enjoy having the thing “done to them”, right? Are we going to use a language that makes sex "What man does to women" thing? A more correct representation is "Women and men enjoy doing this to each other" Maybe Urahara will tell us why this is wrong on this note on not in a tone that seemingly places women sorely on a receiving end |
Christianity Etc › Re: I'm An Atheist That Thinks That Premarital Sex Is Wrong. Is This Unusual? by johnydon22(m): 5:41pm On Jan 12, 2018 |
AnonyNymous: I have a feeling you probably think its wrong because you grew up religious, and its an idea that's been drummed into you over and over again. For example, many African/Nigerian atheists still find homosexual relationships disgusting and 'evil' because they've grown up believing that and its hard to shed those ideas. Logically, they might concede that its natural as its found throughout other animal species and there's nothing specifically wrong with it, but they just can't shake that feeling off. It could be the same for you and your belief that premarital sex is wrong. Its very hard to shed values that you learned in your childhood. Actually i find homosexual acts disgusting (Not evil) and the reason being that i am straight and we can feel disgusted by actions we are uncomfortable with not because religious influence. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Jesus is Called The Son Of God by johnydon22(m): 7:17am On Jan 11, 2018 |
MightySparrow: 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
What is the meaning of only in this passage? Were angels also begotten? What does it mean to beget? Explain John 16: 27 - 28. 27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. 28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. Note the words, 'came out', came forth', 'plainly' Please stop. Stop using the word begotten like it means something else. You got nothing here
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Christianity Etc › Re: Does Evolution Negate Design? by johnydon22(op): 7:47pm On Jan 10, 2018 |
urahara: But alas they haven't come to terms with that. Its a pity then |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can God Create A Rock So Heavy That He Cannot Lift It? by johnydon22(m): 4:21pm On Jan 10, 2018 |
salvation101: he already answered dat d question was meant to be in the literal sense Nope, the name of this exercise is the omnipotence paradox, the answered post picked a literal meaning to answer can only result in literal flaws even at that i can still juggle that literal answer to demonstrate the whole point of the exercise. I only chose to rephrase the question so anyone who wish to answer will understand the actual meaning behind the question. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can God Create A Rock So Heavy That He Cannot Lift It? by johnydon22(m): 4:04pm On Jan 10, 2018 |
salvation101: i don't know if u mean the question literally or as a figure of speech.. I will answer in the literal sense.. the obvious answer is a "no". Reason being that God is eternal. And eternity breaks the barrier of time, space and matter. Weight/mass is a fraction of matter, lift(change in elevation of the object) is a fraction of space. Since Eternity breaks these three barriers of time, space and matter definitely the eternal God can never be limited by matter or space... QED... I think you miss the point of the paradoxical question. Let me rephrase this question better. Can God do something that he cannot undoI think this is a better representation |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can God Create A Rock So Heavy That He Cannot Lift It? by johnydon22(m): 4:02pm On Jan 10, 2018 |
Ferisidowu: lolz this question is been around for centuries ..let's Know your thoughts..
Many times when talking with non-believers, they will appeal to some sort of one-liner or meme to render their unbelief a more credible position than the reality of an omnipotent God. Nevertheless, although these one-liners seem credible to the untrained mind, they actually don’t work as arguments. The same goes with this riddle, which basically attempts to pit God against himself in asking, “Can God create a rock so heavy that he cannot lift it?”
so I invite all atheists ( wise ones only and open minded) theist (but not Christians ,) and interested Christians This is called the Omnipotence paradox, a nonsensical paradox that shows people the absurdity of nonsensical concepts like Omnipotence |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Wasn't David Or Solomon Put Death For Adultery According To The Mosaic Laws by johnydon22(m): 4:01pm On Jan 10, 2018 |
The law is for the poor and not the rich. God blesses the rich and forgives the poor - That's why. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does Evolution Negate Design? by johnydon22(op): 3:59pm On Jan 10, 2018 |
urahara: So how do Christians who support evolution deal with this Such a person must come to terms that only design imperfections and flaws need upgrades and modification. You can only modify or upgrade when you realize that something can get better. So such a person must do away with fantasy thoughts and attributes like "Omnipotence, Omnipresence, omniscient" for what ever he argues designed man. Such characteristics are elusive and are subjects of fantasies. For evolution to be a tool of God's design has an implication that suggests God is learning and unlearning with experience just like every other designer. Because an omnipotent, omniscient being who wants to create a perfect model, knows every possible way it can be done by virtue of omniscience and has the ability and capability to do this by virtue of omnipotent. So such a being can create a perfect model one needing no upgrade or modification because none will be necessary. perfection transcends modification |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does Evolution Negate Design? by johnydon22(op): 12:12pm On Jan 10, 2018 |
vaxx: for the first time reading your topics here i agree with you... Good for you sir |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why People Are Atheists? by johnydon22(m): 6:57pm On Jan 09, 2018 |
bloodofthelamb: Every living soul believe in something, whether conciously or unconciously...
No man is deviod of believe. Depends on what the subject is |
Christianity Etc › Re: Kingebukasblog What Are Your Views On Hell ? by johnydon22(m): 6:39pm On Jan 09, 2018 |
Daviddson: All of you atheists are just wasting your time - making yourself happy that you're winning Ebuka over when it's totally out of possibility - by the grace of God.  Don't worry. You will find yourself on the dark side by the grace of God.. |