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stephenmorris:
The truth is that true perfection cannot exist ,and that throws Every religion with its dogmas into question Making them wrong about the concept of life and existence

Only a loop can be perfect. A loop in the sense that it is wrapped around itself and this perfection is limited in a certain way.

DoctorAlien:
For you to be a man, you must be born of man, and live on earth. Being created in any other world means you're no longer man. That was why Jesus had to be born of a woman.

So when you get to this unman stage, you become incorruptible? You become an approximation of a perfect being?

Martinez19:
I doubt christians would engage in a meaningful discussion. They come their dogma trying to convince you during a discussion.

You may also try to convince me during a discussion, that is totally allowed.

in what way do we grow if we do not learn?

Martinez19:
Why christians skip faith shaking thread is something I don't understand. Atheists don't run from challenges or contests.

Hahahahahaha I don't believe in taunting people anymore. Just a discussion would suffice

At a point here on nairaland i had a signature on which states; If a perfect God with the ability to create a perfect world exists and wants you to be in a perfect world, you would have been in a perfect world, there wouldn't be a need for such bizarre cruel test results determined by virtue of all knowledge

I would like you to mull over this and my proceeding points in this write-up, i aim to invoke deep thoughts about our beliefs and hopes.

In very many religions of the world there are concepts of paradise, heaven, valhalla. A supposedly perfect world of eternal bliss, sinless and without any atom of corruption where you may end up to live an infinite life of joy, happiness and plenty.


But there is a bizarre twist to this idea, this is where it gets strange.

"You must live and die first before it can be determined if you are qualified to gain this eternal bliss"

If we run our thoughts backwards in time, try to picture the state we were before birth then one can be exposed the bizarreness and cruelty of such unnecessary tests.

We didn't exist -

There were two choices before God, create these beings into a perfect world or create them into an imperfect world to test them over nothing.

If there is a perfect God with the ability to make a perfect world and this perfect God wants you to be in a perfect world, he would have pulled you directly from in-existence into this perfect world.

You didn't exist, so what exactly was the need for the test when you could be created exactly where God wills?

So if heaven is perfect at last, and everyone in heaven will turn out perfect then this means God is fully capable of creating a perfect world with perfect beings in it, which now begs the question "Why didn't God create that perfect world in the first place?"

Some persons that i know and talked about this issue with gave the answer that God initially created this world to be perfect but man's action ruined God's perfect plan.

It is amazing how the perfect plan of an all knowing and all powerful being can be thwarted by tiny man.

This answer calls into question the very purity of heaven, if man could ruin God's perfect world, what would change when man is now in heaven?

won't man also be able to ruin that too?

If you say that man cannot ruin heaven, the next question becomes - Why was man able to ruin this world but will be unable to ruin the next?

Take again as a second instance the story of Lucifer in Christian mythology, he was once an angel of God, one of Gods sons and was the bringer of light, a high ranked angel but became corrupt of his own essence, envied God's position and rebelled against God thus culminating to heavenly civil war that led to him being cast out of heaven alongside his followers.

Even heavenly beings in as this story goes are not immune to corruption, they are just as man still vulnerable to impurity and sin.

What will God do differently in paradise to avoid the whole saga repeating itself all over again and thus it keeps going?

cc. hahn, uyildredi, coolusername, plaetton, frank317

I am not happy at this night, tens of Igbos are dead and it's not funny. This is not about anyone mocking the dead (the dead doesn't know they are being mocked) but this is about the pain and insecurity this pours on us all. I am hurt I won't deny, a black day this is.

IGBO land weeps, ala Igbo must do something, our forebears if they be should do something.

I have once said; If you want people to believe something - wrap it around their ignorance (as a mystery), around their fear (as a threat) and around their hope (as a promise)

That is the basis of every great lie

kevoh:
Did you write the OP or just copied and pasted it. If you wrote the OP and then made that initial comment of people believing anything then it's funny, that's the joke. If you copied and pasted it, then make it know somewhere up there, those are not your opinions.

Thank you for helping me out

9jawear:
what exactly is funny, you believe the story of noah as truly authentic and factual

No i don't believe the story to be factual.. the funny thing is that the post he quoted actually belonged to the original poster as he rightly pointed out

9jawear:
whats funny

His observations were truly funny

Wilgrea7:
funny coming from the person who made the initial post

Hahahahahahahaha

CoolUsername:
There's a post on the front page right now talking about how people were killed while worshipping in church in Anambra, and what do I see? A bunch of people using that opportunity to mock religion.


What is wrong with you guys? Are you too socially inept to empathize with the victims and their loved ones? Must you push your agenda at every single opportunity? And why are those comments receiving likes? There's nothing remotely cool about not recognizing the time and place to make your point.


This is incredibly low-hanging fruit that you guys are picking here. It achieves nothing, it just makes us look like a$$holes. We should try to be better than that because we are more than our beliefs. We are people first and so are the victims of that attack.

Nice, good points. People die no matter what, people can also die anywhere at anytime. We should learn to empathize with victims and not derive opportunities in tragedy to drive a point home

dingbang:
Did you know yourself when you were conceived in the womb?

These are things your mind can't carry

This isn't entirely an answer neither are such excuses necessary

Josephjnr:
Does it matter?

yes it does, every question is important

Bandeco:
I thought you will know that homosexuality is not peculiar to humans only. Other animals practice homosexuality too.

I know

Homosexuals were birthed by heterosexuals couples. You may likewise give birth to a homosexual tomorrow. So what happens then? Kill him/her, discriminate against him/her?

Ian Mckellen or what ever his name is is gay, I like him and his acting but I hate his sexual orientation.

You are so wrong on this.

it's an opinion and so is this one

You can not hate nature young man.

You can, I hate mosquitoes and snakes

akintom:
Do you think you can separate the hate for the act, from the actors?

Of course easily

Humanistme:
so do you agree with the criminalization?

Not really, I stated people should be allowed to do what they that doesn't harm others

felixomor:
So homosexuality is not bad abi?

read my discussion with him and see what we are talking about

Amberon11:
That is a good thing?

It's neither good nor bad.

jaszplus12:
hello Nairalanders
I notice there's no topics on astronomy here and I think there's a lot to learn from the cosmos to last a lifetime!
seriously, there's are news and info about the universe, space probes, planets stars, comets, and lots of other stuff to talk about.
for instance how many of us know that we can see the planets Saturn, Jupiter, Venus and Mars right now with our naked eyes? all you need is where to look and at what time at night.
let's find a thread for that on NL shall we? who's with me?

I have many threads on astronomy, go to the science section library and find them

https://www.nairaland.com/3004923/science-section-library

You may do well also and open yours, there are much to talk about on astronomy and science in general

Amberon11:
No morality in atheism.

No argument there, have you ever seen someone claim otherwise ?

akintom:
May i know why you hate homosexuals?

I hate the act, frankly put i am disgusted by homosexuality

how many pixels should the eyes be to qualify as something that shouldn't have a creator?

i believe that everyone should be left alone to live their lives the way they want as long as you dont hurt anyone but still i hate homosexuality, you may say i am a homophobe i won't deny that

CoolUsername:
Kind of like how Bill Gates is an atheist who subscribes to Christian teachings (the good ones).

Yeah Christian atheism

Likewise you can be a deist who subscribes to Christian teachings.

These people generally reject the mythology.

i get it now, thanks brother

Evolution does not preclude the existence of a creator, even obviously designed things have their own evolution. Computers evolved from simplistic machines that could cover a whole flat to small devices we can wield in our hands even more powerful than its ancestors, the very evolution of the computer can be traced back to the abacus.

Evolution does not negate design, it does not preclude a creator or God if you will, rather it may provide a model for creation, it can provide an insight on what sort of designer God is.

though evolution by natural selection is not necessarily for good or bad, one cannot deny that the very need for modification is improvement and development, man isn't perfect so don't you think God would actually employ such a thing as evolution to better his created models?

There are levels of designers/creators which are subjected to levels of intellect and their limitations.

A level 1 designer; Will create something and leave it

A level 2 designer; Will create something and make repairs and modifications from time to time

A level 3 designer; Will create something and imbued in it the ability to repair and modify by itself (evolve).

Which level of designer would you rather have God be?

LightandDarkness:
Believe and study the moral teachings of Jesus but not his divinity https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_deism

Ok that has striking resemblance with Christian Atheism

PastorAIO:
Is the faith alone or is it not alone?

Good question, its either alone or not

donteanz:
Over the years, i've heard the teachings of the bible on how Jesus had taught us on how to live a life that is pleasing unto God. Subsequent studying of the bible had lead me to uncover many things that has been disregarded.
The teachings of apostle Paul were different from that of the messiah and even contradicted some of the teachings and law of prophet Moses. And Jesus during his life time said, "for i have not come to change but to fulfil the law" of Moses.
I would be glad if anyone could help shed more light to this.

Good observation... In the Christianity of today the underlying Philosophy behind the doctrines are divided into two groups.

on one side there are - Johannine Christianity : This Christianity is dependent more on the teachings of Jesus as record in the bible, example they seem to believe in good work with a little doze of faith, they teach that faith without good work is dead and they more or less take more from the teachings of John and other apostles than Paul while formulating their doctrines.

Example of such type of Christianity is the Catholic Church.

Then on the other side there are Pauline Christians - this is the Faith driven Christians, everything is dependent on faith, your faith only saves you. They derive more doctrinal basis from the teachings of Paul (who emphasized so much on faith that faith became the only virtue to him) than they do from other apostolic sources. Example are: Many pentecostals

LoJ:
Hello,



It is good to evolve and change one's mind about a topic. Nothing wrong with that, in fact that's what intelligent people do.

BUT, this going to and fro, from one Label to another makes the whole thing looks like superficiality and lack of convictions. It also appears like a desire to "taste" new things. My advice would be that to stop all these labels and you ask yourself sensible questions:

- Why did you move from christianity to Deism in the first place? What were the concrete reasons?

- Why did leave Deism back to christianity? Did those former reasons suddenly disappear to make you come back to Christianity?

- Why do you seem to consider Atheism as a border, never to be crossed? If you are looking for the Truth, you have to consider and analysed objectively and sincerely all options.

- Why do you discuss and defend opinions you seem not to be very sure of?

There is no imperative to have a Label. You can take your time, do your homework, seek the truth without rushing here and there. it takes time but it is of greater value.

I hope you find inner peace and guidance.

Cheers.

Touche !!

noillebnoj:
Enough of all this nonsense!!
None of this matters
If we don't bind together we won't survive the long night
The real enemy is the dead beyond the wall
That has always been the enemy
We need to stop the night king

Winter is already here !!!

KingEbukasBlog:
Why mention science here ? Atheism has nothing to do with science.

Why am I even speaking English, atheism has nothing to do with English.

The deist who questions religion rejects the resurrection of Christ,

An atheist or agnostic believes it?

the Muslims and Jews also do that .

yeah but not an atheist

You mentioning science here when it is totally irrelevant makes you come off as desperate.

desperate for what?

Going down this road will make me ignore you brother, If arguments makes you desperate, it doesn't apply to everyone.

And if you couldn't understand that simple analogy, well I can't help you there

And for Bill Nye video , many Christians see the flood story as an allegory , the deists too reject the story and they still acknowledge the existence of God , so what point is he trying to make as an atheist? ?

Anyone can argue against religious beliefs or ideas. You asked if I have ever seen Richard. Dawkins, Craig and the rest arguing on a religious basis and that was an example

If you mean a creator God , the necessary being, the source of all that exists , then religion does not entirely depend on revealed theology . Religion combines both natural Theology - logic , reason , science - and revealed theology while deism which rejects the latter.

I am not talking about Deism here forget this whole Deism this Deism that.

There are religions that are dependent on God and some aren't. Remove God from Islam then what have you? Remove God from Judaism and you have nothing left because the very basis of this religions are rooted on the belief that God exists.

And there are religions that have no concept of God, so that's the point.

Were you replying another post?

Another extraneous involvement of science. Einstein hated atheism with passion in case you don't know .

Oh God!!!

Its mostly a response to the atheists when they are involved in religion but shouldn't.

Lmao

Religious skepticism is not atheism, if I should question religon what next ? The erroneous conclusion : therefore, there is no God .

Religious skepticism isn't atheism, also being irreligious isn't atheism. But an atheist can also be a religious skeptic and irreligious.

It really is that simple... I wonder if one can argue that the Hindu God doesn't exist using the bible.

" Brahma doesn't exist because the bible isn't true"

Sounds off right?

Great shows that attacking a particular God concept wedded to a particular religion isn't off or misplaced..

I can't see how you would extricate yourself from this .lol

I await your rebuttal sha

Lol why do you over estimate yourself my brother, intellectual humility is required.