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coolbreezy01:
I understand what both of you mean and he meant that the one man one woman doctrine is from the bible which automatically says its from God but he was wondering why atheist follow the doctrine of someone you supposedly don't believe and do other wise which is the same as marrying more than one wife...

coolbreezy01:
Then I suppose you post the wisest post in the thread cause that definitely is not the wisest post.

SirWere:
Your ignorance befuddles me.

Are you trying to act dumb or are you really like this

Acidosis:
So atheist believe in wedding? Interesting.


How do they arrive at the coming together of a man and a woman?


Shouldn't a male atheist marry 10 women at the same time? How do atheists arrive at the need for a man to get married to one woman?

So a man can steal some portion of God's commandments and still claim ignorant of God's existence? Interesting.

HyDef:
Ironic how the 'Religion' section is probably the most hate-filled.

I'll leave it to ye whether that says something.

LiberaDeus:
Pleas clap for yourself, so as Steve Jobs isn't on the list that means that their is no hope of happiness in the atheist world.

I can't believe your rebuttal was that Steve Jobs was on the list. So that's your only rebuttal?

That's like me telling you that Messi is not the best player in the world because he hasn't scored up to 600 goals in his career but actually scored 599. Isn't that inconsequential?

And in case you don't know, Buddhists do not believe in a god.

hopefulLandlord:
I sincerely find that guy amusing

it seems he lacks attention in real life so he looks for it here, but he's too busy to be here regularly; probably works at Chinese rubber factories or something better but keeps him extremely busy, so he uses the few free time he has to pop up once in a while, scream like a boy being raped by Mandingo, he'll use words like "foolish" "stupid" "idiot" and the likes; rant on and on and on till his free time is over; he would then pop up one or two weeks later to repeat again

just look at his posts and you'll see

promise10:
yes of course, I know your dreams.

1. to get depressed about your unbelief in an imaginary god

2. to get mad and insane towards your parents' belief in God.

3. to get more frustrated and lonely because your siblings still strongly believe in God.

all heading to suicide which is still the same thing!

so bro, go get a life!

promise10:
I think having a COOL sex with a cat or rabbit (bestiality) will solve his depression too. and take away his insanity, making him more Wise.

have you tried it sir?

for me I have not and will not. but, I endorse it for atheists alone.

damogul:
Let him speak for himself if you wouldnt mind. People heal faster when they are allowed to express themselves and you are not helping. Besides i know you said this because you think i just might get him to a place of doing a u turn on his decision but that is not my desire. Choices are never forced or they would be slavery. He has control of his....

damogul:
Ok so you are most likely in Rivers State. Like i said, what tangible help could be given to you via a faceless online forum? If indeed you are in Rivers State then its easy to help lift this burden off you. Buts its up to you though. I definitely wouldnt want to force myself or my helping hand on you.

hopefulLandlord:
I disagree with this

when it comes to coming out as an atheist, there's no glove-fits-all

some parents can be CRAZY!! (I'm not implying CeoMYN's parents are crazy) some parents are so extremely religious that you dare not imply you've chosen atheism even if you have good grades or whatnot

some parents even kill or stop supporting you (financially etc) if you dare tell them you're an atheist

KingEbukasBlog:


I don't respond to feelings , I really don't know what it means to reach conclusions based on feelings as an INTP - this is my personality type .

I reach conclusions based on logic and rational observation .

Saying "deep down" means based on feelings which apparently I can't relate to .

So through logic and rational observation , God exists .

cloudgoddess:
Very interesting writeup OP, but I do believe there are different valid secular perspectives.

I personally stopped finding the idea that there may be nothing after death scary, quite quickly after becoming non-religious. I just sort of recognized that indeed the universe does not revolve around me, nor does it exist solely for my pleasure. It's been chuggling along for 14 billion years without me. My life was a chance gift, now I get to be a part of the show. It doesn't make sense, then, to take any of it for granted, the "good" or "bad".

I feel like that the main thing that might make the reality of our human condition so "depressing" to some people, is the expectation that it should be any other way than the way it is. That there should be any such thing as "eternal happiness" (via heaven or temporary experiences) and "eternal life" in the first place. That there should be a way to permanently eradicate human pain. These are unrealistic expectations that religion sets up. For example,


I don't think such a realization should necessarily arouse despair.

If we simply understand ourselves as animals endowed by evolution with certain capabilities like forming complex societies, then the idea that we would need to create the rules for how to best live in harmony, based on our own collective ideas, just seems normal/neutral. Not particularly painful, nor optimistic. Just the way we are.


Again, I think this would only be the case for someone if they were contrasting with false expectations that only exist in a religious view of the world. I'd imagine that if some one grew up being taught the following as normal:



Then they wouldn't see those aspects of reality as grim or an "intellectual burden". Just how things are, for a certain species on planet earth that we happen to be. Also I wouldn't call morality completely subjective or objective - at least if we keep the scope of "objective" within the human species. Morality has both biological/innate, and environmental/learned components.
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Imagine someone telling a 5 year old child that when he's 10, he'll recieve a super amazing toy that's better than any toy he could ever think of, it has magical powers and lets him travel to different dimensions and will change his life forever. The child now his this grand expectation that one day, he'll have everything he's ever wanted & will never be sad again. Then the child turns ten, and he recieves the news or deduces for himself, that the toy doesn't exist and he's been lied to. Disappointment, grief.

But if the kid was never promised the toy, or even heard of such a toy in the first place, he would've never had to experience that disappointment. It's the same with religion vs reality.

I've noticed that people who did not grow up in religious homes, and never were exposed to ideas like heaven in any serious manner, have a much more easygoing view on death and conversations about existence. They seem more readily able to accept that life has both moments of joy and gladness, AND those of depression and bleakness, that growth and destruction are both a part of the picture.

They never had to deal with the disillusionment that the unrealistic promises of religion can lead to, because they were never fed those illusions in the first place.

naijadeyhia:
Where did you get this your 95% from? Seun says Steven Hawkins is agnostic and you are contradicting that. What manner of twisted confusion are you guys in?

Your whole lives are ruled by definitions and not actuality to the extent you are all contradicting yourselves outwardly and if this be the case how then would your mental contradictions look like?

naijadeyhia:
Read seuns comment again for clearer understanding. He said in essence that a true Atheist uses agnosticism to be accepted into the society even though they are not agnostic. Is that not deception? So why not be yourself and be proud of who you are?

naijadeyhia:
So in a nutshell Atheists are deceptive and hide under agnosticism to be accepted while their motive was to deceive. So how many ladies have you used Agnosticism to get under their skirts?

Seun:
You changed an "or" from the definition to an "and", which totally changes the meaning. Why did you do that?

If you want the truth here it is: "agnostic" is what atheists call themselves when they want religious people to like them. For example, let's say I meet a Christian lady tomorrow and I wish to get into her skirts. When she asks me about my beliefs, my best bet is to say "agnostic". The word "atheist" conjures an image of someone that is vehemently opposed to religion in their minds. The word "agnostic" sounds more friendly. You can also call yourself a "pantheist", which allows you to claim to believe in God by asserting that everything around us is God. What a neat trick.

KingEbukasBlog:
The emboldened text was why I told you to shut up . To an existentialist , life is purposeless but he strives to find meaning and makes the best out of his life .

It is very difficult to be an existentialist because if he is overwhelmed by life's vicissitude , he can easily break down or give up and depression sets in because to him life is indeed purposeless so what's the point picking himself up again . At this point , he could consider nihilism.

Atheism is really sad and pathetic .

DoctorAlien:
Why should I strive to get a knowledge of the universe? What is the use thereof?

Why should I strive to get a knowledge of the truth? What has the truth to offer? What difference does it make whether I know the truth or not? What is the use of truth?

If the truth is that nobody created the universe and that we are not obliged to any Creator: why should I know? Why are you telling me? Of what benefit is it? Even if it has any benefit, why should I choose that benefit? To better my life? But life is meaningless: why should I even live or try to improve my life? Am I not a random aggregation of matter with no reason for existence?

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Life is meaningless without GOD.

KingEbukasBlog:
Mister shut up abeg . You are the one who does not know the difference between nihilism and and existentialism . The latter is finding meaning to purposeless world . The very few atheists who achieved in life are most likely to subscribe existentialism .

KingEbukasBlog:
Mister shut up abeg . You are the one who does not know the difference between nihilism and and existentialism . The latter is finding meaning to purposeless world . The very few atheists who achieved in life are most likely to subscribe existentialism .

KingEbukasBlog:
Exactly !

The first time I read about Nihilism , I was shocked ! It is a very dangerous philosophy . Google "dangers of nihilism". Nihilists are seen as dangerous people . Atheists are actually nihilist , since nihilism developed due to the outright rejection of a creator of the universe . Because if a creator exists , then there should be a purpose for the existence of life .

That's why I say most atheists are dangerous people because those ones are rabid nihilists . Grizzlybear exposed himself as one - I'm very happy he posted this write-up . This is using one's hands to destroy himself and his coterie of atheist friends .

GrizzlyBear:
Replying you is synonymous to putting my brain in an oven. It's an immensely intellectually excruciating experience. You are so ignorant about how everything in the world works. Arguing with you is pure torture. I'd rather argue with a 5 year old than argue with you, because at least a 5 year old would ask more intelligent questions than you.

Pick up a evolutionary biology text book and read.

Thanks.