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ever811:
..don't think i should continue to waste my time trying to explain the existence of God to you..cause you really not open minded. just read carefully what you wrote and see how it connects with my reason for believe that God is real.the malaria thing got me cracked. how our local famers survive is mysterious given to this your course of malaria even though its totally out of point to d topic on hand.

the god gods portrayed by religion are false

Howmon:
The names He mentioned already are not name of people I know. The CACCF caught my attention has it was my fellowship in school.

Wow

raphieMontella:
pastor worshipper..abeg tell your pastor i wont be a victim of his scam...okay?
And reduce the long scripts if you want them to be read.

that dude is so off
He never contributes to the topic at hand
He just advertises his daft pastor

seemples:
Absolutely NOTHING is happening to that baby Mister... She's simply doing what babies do - imitate!

word

damogul:
Good boy!

...........

raphieMontella:
hes one of the theists i like conversing with..
He's one of the few christians well versed in history here..

lol promise10 is the exact opposite

jayriginal:
In your haste to attack everything, you should try and eschew assumptions. Nowhere have I attempted to defend T.B. Joshua. I simply made a statement about the popular vote, something that was also mentioned in this thread.

ooh I'm so sorry

TheSixthSense:
So many aspersions being hurled around. I'm disappointed just managed to read to the end. A lot of christians cannot see the fraud in their pastors right in front of them every Sunday then talk of telling which story is true or not. What is so difficult to believe that a fervent christian can become an atheist? Is Hardmirror the first or is he going to be the last? There are numerous similar stories like his, even from people with more experience and works in ministry. So, what's the big deal? Christians should challenge their faith as they say 'Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored' and if truth is absolute then it should be synonymous with curiosity and knowledge. Reading the New Testament in context as a historical text - since all the multiplicity of churches claim to be NT churches-. Read about the history of the religion you practice. Read about how the Bible you uphold came to be. Read about the doctrines you have come to believe. Read about history of your race and black people and civilisation. Read a bit of philosophy and Gnostism. I say these because no one can remain a fundamentalist with knowledge these, that's if one doesn't become atheist themselves.

What HardMirror pointed out clearly at the beginning of his story is that the supernatural in christianity is real but what is deceptive is the reason/motive behind it. His story, other than renouncing christianity, is simply saying that the miraculous experiences are not exclusive to christianity. In fact one only needs to be an illusionist with knowledge of hypnosis to perform these 'shows of miracles' synonymous with christianity. So, if these are what sustains you as a christian then a some words of advice: 'Ignorance is Bliss' and don't read about what I mentioned earlier because if you do then maybe you won't be surprised anymore when you hear of stories like these. Most ex-christian are pushed into atheism by pentecostal and charismatic circles and this shouldn't be a mystery. And also many people haven't experienced the shock of knowing what they have believed is untrue for most of their lives probably why they think becoming an atheist is some super spiritual battle. But it is not.

I was an atheist and I am now a christian and I don't find Hardmirror's narrative too ridiculous to believe, quite the contrary and I still do not doubt his story except he has been proven otherwise. Although, I think mentioning the name of a deceased person for the sake of an argument is a huge low but since it got to 10 pages because of a name l guess it is anticipated.

Some questions that should be helpful if HardMirror would respond:
Please share the books or documents you came across in your research about christianity that got you absolutely convinced about your current perception christianity.

Meanwhile, Jesus Saves!!!

so far this is one of the mist intellegent theistic comments on this thread

lilbest4:
The owner of nairaland is an atheist, atheists are satanist, why are you working for a satanist?
Or don't you know you are working for him? Your presence here earns him money.

Fallacy alert!
Fallacy alert!
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Your fallacy is
The False dichotomy fallacy

calliope:
Homophobes would do just anything outta of desperation

lol it's just tiring

Damn lemme get some crispy popcorn

ever811:
so...if him who created bats decide to call it bed, how does your ignorance affects his reasons?..

my ignorance
Or his?

ever811:
so...if him who created bats decide to call it bed, how does your ignorance affects his reasons?..

*sigh* nvm
I'm not an atheist by the way I'm agnostic
But I agree with athiests that religion is man made

raphieMontella:
Mr chris angel walking on water= proof of the supernatural..abeg relax...you have nothing to say

I swear.. Its surprising the promise10 dude still has the guts to be calling people fools upandan when he thought criss angel was an actual magician. But he goes around derailing threads acting so immature calling people stupid, dumb, idiot when in reality he is the holy trinity of the three. That criss angel stuff shaaa
Wow that dude prolly has a brain tumour he knows nothing about

ScienceWatch:
The evidence of creation is not hard to find. The mind-blowing evidence for CREATION is put in its simplest form in John 14:12.

Dishonest, ambitious scientists earn a living by shoving insane ideas into the laps of the masses who usually have no way to verify the poo/excrement.

Jesus says to all pastors, ministers and evangelists in John 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater WORKS than these shall you do; because I go unto my Father.

You can know a true pastor, minister, evangelist by their WORKS so that fake pastors can be separated from the real pastors. The wheat is separated from the chaff. Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor, not their elaborate speeches.

What are these WORKS that Jesus always refer to ?
They are the miracles, prophecy, signs and wonders. Jesus also instructs all pastors, ministers, evangelists to do the same, He says to them,”As my father sent me, so send I you.”
Jesus say clearly in these biblical refs that these WORKS that he does bear witness that the Father has sent him.

are you a robot?

felixomor:
Fallacy of illogical conclusion.

I said "brought"

Enroll in an adult literacy class.

you are derailing the thread

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheism never took anything further . Atheists ignorantly rejected the existence of God .



For the umpteenth time , deists see Reason , Science and Nature as evidence for God . The existence of these three is their proof , our proof. How is this difficult to understand



This "random and unpredictable" descriptions of the universe are so rebarbative .

World Renowned Physicist Michio Kaku at least admits that intelligence exists in the universe :

"I have concluded that we are in a world made by rules created by an intelligence", he said. "Believe me, everything that we call chance today won't make sense anymore. To me it is clear that we exists in a plan which is governed by rules that were created, shaped by a universal intelligence and not by chance."

science is an irrefutable methodology
Religion is not
That's were they differ
Well michio kaku may be right. Though he hasn't done original research since the 1990s.......

promise10:
see this small kid. engage in arguments with me? if I wipe you eh, you run comot from this forum . I still wonder why Seun has not added an age limit to this forum.

keep calm and stop hiding.

most of you guys are just atheists but when hit, you resort to agnostic. I still wonder why.

I've always said I was agnostic
You guys wrongly put me in the athiest club
I dint believe in religious Gods that's the thing we all have in common but I have NEVER said no gods exist.
And by the way you act like a kid
A prepubescent teenager to be precise
You rant and insult unnecessarily when they don't share your views. So I don't really take you seriously

damogul:
i am sure mere mentioning my moniker gives you goose pimples. Some of us are resting our bodies and minds in readiness for the big expose tomorrow. So quit mentioning me if you would. Peace out!

huh
Wow. Because I complimented you huh
You berra go and sleep
Goose pimples
Comedy

promise10:
WTF is this, so dumb.

I don't even know where to start.

I don't really have time to engage in arguments with you
You are one of the least intellegent thiests on this forum
I'd prefer people like damogul and kingebukasblog
Now stay off my mentions if you can't comprehend what I wrote
I've always said I'm agnostic
Now run along and find your mate

promise10:
will you sharaaap?!

be it Abrahamic God or not, that must be God which still make more sense to atheism

I've always said I was agnostic but apparently your head leaks information. I believe I've told you this before but you people labeled me under the athiest camp
I've always said its illogical for someone to explicitly say there is no God but I will not use an irrefutable methodology like religion
Capice?

shadeyinka:
A little knowledge of quantum physics tells you that a certainty /probability of 0 or 1 is impossible to guarantee.

The law of conservation of energy says energy can neither be created nor destroyed but can only be changed from one form into another.

All laws of physics are still approximations. How about the 0.000001% deviation/perturbation, what do they contain?

Death is the beginning of a new existence with a Body not of Flesh and Blood.

I was flowing with what you said then you just killed it with the bolded

KingEbukasBlog:
The difference between a deist and theist is the acceptance of the immanence of God by the latter . Both the theist and deist believe that Reason , Science and Nature can serve as evidence for God . The acknowledgement of the immanence of God instigated religious beliefs and practices .

ummm okay but God sure was showing his immanence in different forms. Not to mention deism arose and came to its most prominent during the philosophical change of the Enlightenment. As scientific knowledge increased, a climate of greater religious freedom developed in Europe and inconsistencies in the Bible were more freely discussed. So there were thiests before Diests. You can check out Thomas paines the age of reason. At least Diests are reasonable and sincere enough to observe inconsistencies in religious texts rather than engage in endless tiring apologetics that we get from monotheists. Diests tend to see God as an abstract logical principle rather than an anthropomorphic being with wants. And both Diests and athiests both hold the Bible and other religious works to be written mostly as human political works instead of being the holy word of any god.In fact, the only real difference lies in their explanation for the origins of time and space which they attribute to a non interfering deity. Atheism simply takes one step further than deists (note most athiests don't do this) by denying existence of any God atall. Which I think is wrong because you have to be omimiscient to be sure
Not to mention the diest God is impossible to prove
It is viewed as a watchmaker who created the watch and left it to run. Ooh and btw modern science is now describing a universe that is more random and unpredictable than deism might have suspected.But the monotheistic God is one that involves him or herself in the world, engages with the prayerful, even asking people to fear and adore him please people have better things to do than kiss ass
Look basically according to monotheistic christian beliefs both Diests and athiests are going to hell so the Diests acknowledgment of a supreme entity is extremely unnecessary

ever811:
all the points you just made are really laughable because they are clearly simple and possible to him who created all things,but very impossible to your tiny little brains that can't accommodate a simple AMEN...

wooow
So the person that you assume created the universe didn't know bats were not birds
Wooow
Some large brain you've got there

ever811:
and what are the facts?.that there is no creator the world just came out from....honestly when I hear an atheist talks about reasoning,its amaze me.because atheist are the only documented creatures with brains they don't use.

stop strawmanning the argument

KingEbukasBlog:
They are intransigent about their arguments focusing on religion to stay relevant. What they do is religious skepticism . Their puny minds believe that being skeptical about religious beliefs is tantamount to questioning the existence of God. People who acknowledge the existence of God can be religious skeptics too .

stop talking like a diest you are not

felixomor:
I didnt ask for the meaning.

I only said what it sounded like.

Ehn?
Thanks

you still have not learnt the moral of the story
Let me help you out
Don't be daft

Pidgin2:
Why should we take you seriously when you can't even tell the correct gender of the kid?

I meant dude
It was a typo

felixomor:
Keep quiet
Your monicker even sounds like "mumu" abi "mungum"

Hehehehe.
Get help fast.

it's a Latin phrase

Such a wide display of stupidity in a single continent

dalaman:
What scientific or verifiable evidence do you have to show that the earth /universe is 6000 years old?

the earth isn't 6000 years old. These people are strange
Fossil fuels wont even exist in such a short period of time
And even if Noahs ark was true(which it's not)
It'll be impossible to produce such a wide variety of different species through artificial selection in just a mere 6000 years
Heck it's w even impossible for species to propagate from just two animals

hopefulLandlord:
the dumb answer you gave was that you are travelling outta the country

you wey never comot for anambra since

lol wow