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wiegraf:
Good sir, have you finished medical school?

I surely have. Good Dr to you now.

hahn:
So what are they if not rational?

My point is that you cannot conclude that human reasoning is not rational but geared towards survival and reproduction, and exclude the very reasoning that had you arrive at that very conclusion.

sonmvayina:
I don't understand your second statement., was it all of God or part of God?

All of God

LordReed:
What is the meaning of this word salad? Did you just make shit up because it sounds educated?

Maybe you simply didn’t understand what I said?

hahn:
Because?

Continue with your argument abi na there e finish?

I bin Dey wait for you to come nau.

And it’s because the naturalist somehow excludes his reasoning when he makes the conclusion on rationality.
That is, human beings and human moral reasoning are not really rational, except when I’m making this conclusion on the nature of human reasoning.


Edited

The Irony is that these naturalists and evolutionary biologists exclude themselves from blind moral reasoning and in-built survival thinking when arriving at what they consider to be the "truth" that man isn’t rational. Unfortunate.

Edited.

sonmvayina:
No, God is not a man or human being... What about you?

I largely agree with you. God is not a man. Although he became a man in Christ.

^^^
We are definitely NOT ON the same path. Don’t twist my words. They are plain and easily understandable.

God is not responsible for our sin, as much as you are not responsible for the choices of a failing child.

Thank you

LordReed:
Wake up and smell the coffee. Ain't nobody coming to rescue you from heaven. What sane being watches suffering for thousands of years and does absolutely nothing in the name of eradicating it in some anomalous future? Besides its been 1980+ years since Jesus supposedly said he'll be back like Arnold Schwarzenegger yet unlike a freaking invention of man the god refuses to show up. What a farce.

The bible thankfully warned us about scoffers and mockers like you:

“Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:3-13‬ ‭NIV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/111/2pe.3.3-13.niv


We will keep preaching. Mockers will continue to mock, and people will continue to embrace the glorious and merciful Jesus Christ our God

jyz200:
Not really
Lucifer is created by God, and sin(evil) originated from Lucifer
How did Lucifer have that evil thoughts, who tempt him
Since Lucifer is created perfect, then how did evil come over his mind

Good. And there is the answer to your question.

The same way you would not be held responsible for your son if he became a murderous rapist, simply because your son has a will of His own; is the way you should not hold God responsible for Lucifer’s evil. Lucifer has a will of his own. We all do. Almost every time we lie or steal or blaspheme, we do by choice.

plaetton:
...
Are you not indirectly admitting that religion is a big waste of time, because no matter how much you worship, pray, fast and sow seeds, the will of God, which takes thousands of years to unfold, cannot ever bend for the whimsical yearnings of mortal humans ?

You have no idea what prayer is. And I cannot imagine you would understand. We don’t worship and pray to change Gods will. We worship and pray because it is His will, and He is a benevolent God.

This kind of bullet will only hurt people who carry out idolatry, deluded people who believe they can form a transactional relationship with a god at their beck and call; far enough for Him not to influence their lives morally or have any real relationship, but close enough for him to be their security detail and prosperity bringer.

Both you and them slave under the sin of idolatry, but they are slightly better than you, they invent a god and tailor him to their image but they still understand someone is out there, while you foolishly imagine His undeniable reality isn’t there at all.

IS MAN RATIONAL?

The evolutionary biologist, argues that mans moral reasoning is only as a result of in built mind mechanisms and social adaptations meant to further the survival and reproduction of the human species, i.e our reasoning in the end is NOT to arrive at any objective truth.


Although most atheists on this forum will agree to this thinking, and have even recently alluded to it in one of my recent topics on the nature of morality (cc Hahn, LordReed, budaatum, JeromeBlack, etc), it is ultimately flawed, and completely so.

The only way to explain rationality in the universe is if a rational God put it in.

subtlemee:
God's time is the best....who are you to tell him when to show up ?

Dont mind him.

God has set a time for complete eradication of evil in this world, and he won’t just eliminate sickness, he’ll eliminate sin completely. He’ll eliminate murderers and rapists and thieves, but he’ll also eliminate liars and blasphemers and adulterers as well.

God still let’s the play go on so that plaetton and his cohorts will repent of their sins and be reconciled to him through Christ, but they continue to insult his patience. Meanwhile millions of people around the world are turning to Christ.

Make no mistake plaetton and other mockers, the God who gave you minds that you use to imagine vain and foolish things will appear on the scene. But when the director openly appears on the scene, it means the the play has come to an end.

tpiander:
Reinventing the wheel is not as easy as people might think.


When you try to remove the divisions, it can cause chaos thus it's better to be careful.

Re: Anglican and Catholic in Nigeria.

Let each be persuaded in his own mind.

The Catholic Church is no longer following the principles of salvation Jesus taught.

So denominations are okay, but when lines are crossed like in the case of Catholicism, we must disagree with tradition and agree with truth.

Michellekabod2:
Don't you know the idea of sex is evil to people?sex is seen as a bad thing thus imagining the pastor had sex is disturbing....to sheeples off course.

Sex isn’t evil.

tpiander:
Does it make you uncomfortable?

nope. Makes me happy God has blessed the union with a child. How does it make you feel?

I don’t even know how to reply to this post

sonmvayina:
I

Is God a man?

what do you think?

jyz200:
Who create devil

im beginning to think we’re moving in circles here

jyz200:
Who creates Lucifer

Lets say you have a son, and he becomes a serial rapist, are you responsible for his raping?

jyz200:
Where did evil originated from

The heart of Lucifer.

jyz200:
Can God exists without devil

God by definition is self-existent and eternal. He doesn’t need any being to exist. You’re grossly mistaken

MrPresident1:
There is no duality between good and evil. One does not exist because of the other, after all, we know that in the kingdom of God, when Jesus returns, there will be no evil.

Satan is a messenger of God, an angel. The one who allows himself to become useful to satan becomes a devil. Everything in the world is action and recompense, there is no coincidence in creation.

Joshthefirst, you called me an enemy of Jesus, I am not. Was Jesus himself not called Beelzebub?

1 Corinthians 15:23
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Stay with Christ, my advice to you. Be unwavering and unshakeable.

I agree with only the first paragraph. But something seems off about you.

Are you a Christian? Have you had your sins forgiven? If you haven’t, then you’re an enemy of God in your mind through wicked works.
If you have, then you’re my brother, and a Child of God. I apologize.

jyz200:
How is that possible
Can we have only positive Without negative
Can we have only day without Night
Even God have an opposite which devil ,there by creating balance,



It's part of nature
A lion devouring an antelope, it may be evil to d antelope, but good to d lion

Where do you get your philosophy?
We can and will have positive without negative, and day without night soon.

jyz200:
To me both good and evil coexist
Just like positive and negative
Night and day
One can't exist without d other
Both need each other for balance
Wat I term evil maybe good to others

The fact that something may be accepted as good to others doesn’t make it good.

And good can exist without evil of course.

plaetton:
Lol.
Since Nigerians like put your trust in God, shouldn't the victims of violence be holding God accountable for a job NOT well done ?

Isn't a refund long overdue to those millions of tithe payers, seed sowers and first friuters?

Just wondering.

God is not our employee nau. Trust means we trust Him even and especially when things go wrong. I don’t expect you to understand this though.

Anyone who was actually paying God tithes as wages for protection truly was wasting money. God does not accept wages.

Blue3k:
Why is it so hard for you to publish per capita stats? Is it because your government doesn't publish it's crime stats? The United States is 5 per 100k. Nigeria had murder rate of 9.85 in 2015 according UN stats. Lol did nigeria some how drop by half with 5 years. Even that's an under estimation.



Sources:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/tables/table-1

https://dataunodc.un.org/crime/intentional-homicide-victims

https://www.unodc.org/nigeria/en/press/unodc-publishes-global-homicide-study_-homicide-kills-more-people-than-armed-conflict.html

https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/gsh/Booklet2.pdf

These statistics are even foreign estimates oh. Nigeria unfortunately does not keep records, even medical records. In med school we learned foreign statistics, local statistics are almost non-existent.

Every crime statistic estimate from every foreign source is most probably grossly underestimated. You’d be surprised the number of shadow homicides and kidnappings and Fulani murdering raids that go either unreported or underreported.

I lived in Jos. I was a student in JUTH. Every single estimate of herdsmen-farmer crises that occurred was deliberately and grossly underestimated. The bloodshed is real. The only safety we have as normal people is trusting in God. Atheists like plaetton have no safety at all ( )

plaetton:
Mr Einstein, there is one titbit ( come to think of it, lots of information )that you forgot, or deliberately sidestepped in your silly misinformation campaign .
First, you ommited the murder rate or homicide statistics for Nigeria. Now how can you make a comparison without first stating the disparity in numbers between the two countries that you are comparing ?
And here you are calling Nigerians ignorant and imbeciles for speaking out against the state of insecurity in Nigeria. I can't see anything more imbecilic than a dishonest person who attempts to use lopsided facts to peddle falsehoods.

Now more to the point.
What exactly does safety mean to an average citizen of any country ?
Safety means to be able to live and walk freely at anytime of the day without the fear of being robbed, harmed, kidnapped or killed.
Statically, the FAR MAJORITY of gun violence in the US are gang related, involving young black and Latino men between the ages of 17 and 34 in urban ghettos . Outside of those demographics, the average American is almost guaranteed a safe life uninterrupted by violence. With the police, the fire department, the FBI and ATF just a phone call away, the average American is safe..not as safe as say, the average European, but nevertheless, safe.

Nigeria, on the other hand, violence and insecurity is dispersed almost evenly, with no or very very inadequate law enforcement and security infrastructure.

In Nigeria, robbers or bandits can hold up any area for hours. Communities can face a 24hr siege by bandits with no law enforcement agencies to help. That is the definition of insecurity.

Add to that the Jihad going on in the north east that the government keeps denying, with the rehabilitated terrorists and all.

LordReed:
You are pivoting to everything but what I asked. I gave a specific scenario, can you answer that? You believe rape is intrinsically wrong so there is no need for an omnibenevolent god to watch it happen. Omnibenevolence dictates that he must intervene or else rape is not intrinsically wrong or he is not omnibenevolent.

I truly hoped that you’d be affected by my preaching in some way...

I addressed everything you asked btw. Didn’t you read what I wrote about the cross and judgement? Toh. I can’t say anything more.

And surely an Omni being will work by His own transcendent wisdom, and He does.

plaetton:
Lol@joshthefirst, enjoying one of the great benefits of creating imaginary things : The freedom to make shyte up as you go.

lol.

LordReed:
This is not what I am asking you. Someone being raped could do with an intervention yet your god apparently does nothing, why? He is not omnibenevolent if he does nothing, that straight up negates that trait.

He is very omnibenevolent. I’ll explain:

If God eliminated every evil thought from entering your mind and the mind of every human on earth, there would be no free agency, and we would all do good, not because we choose to, but because we are made to. God’s nature is Love, and He would have no meaningful relationship with beings who loved and obeyed Him not from free choice, but from force.

So God chooses to make humans in His image, with a will of their own, and gives them choice. You know about the garden of Eden don’t you? In the garden, humanity chooses to define good and evil for themselves, and sin is born. Humans, by choice, allowed evil to enter this world.

God has been active throughout our history, and He promises to eventually judge rapists and liars and murderers and adulterers in the end, but before the end, He himself enters this broken world full of evil, and even offered up his life, so that those who desire true light and love and righteousness would be forgiven of their sins through Him, and have their very nature’s changed from darkness to light. By choice, they would become reconciled to God and people of righteousness through Jesus Christ.

Jesus’ Spirit is still at work today, birthing life and joy in this world of pain and sorrow, and He will one day judge the living and the dead and crush the darkness of rape and sin forever in hell.

Like it or not, this Simplistic Good news is what we call the gospel, in this world full of suffering, there is hope through Jesus Christ. May His name be praised forever. This goodnews, if you’re humble enough to believe it, will give you light and eternal life, and a relationship with the God you dare deny.

In His omnibenevolence, He spreads this message of hope and warning everywhere, even on nairaland. Jesus identifies with every pain, and he offers hope of a good and perfect world, and a free ticket therein.

God bless you.