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PoliticsRe: Fela Durotoye Responds To Fake News Allegations On Receiving N750m From APC by Joshthefirst(m): 8:17pm On Oct 06, 2018
Sir. Please try to attach a source to whatever you want to draw attention so it can get attention and the MODs can take it to where it belongs.

And be more aggressive please. Don't allow the fake news that's being propagated recently on the front page be unhindered.

Advice Mr Fela to consider Legal action against those trying to Slander him as well. We're serious about a New Nigeria and we can't let ill-bred attempts to slander integrity and transparency go unpunished.
PoliticsRe: Untold Story Of ANN Presidential Primaries by Joshthefirst(op): 8:12pm On Oct 06, 2018
Disregard fake news and choose to be wise everyone. Look into this matter well.

It is obvious that peddlers trying to discredit Fela Durotoye and ANN are involved in this. Fela is someone who has good values and will actually do us good. Go after legitimate news yourself and do your own research on him and don't be moved by the different nonsense you hear(that is unfortunately being peddled on the front page recently)


Fela Durotoye himself will have a live session on Facebook tomorrow by 8pm. Listen and see for yourself.
Christianity EtcRe: Good Reasons To Be An Atheist Now. by Joshthefirst(m): 7:19pm On Oct 06, 2018
frank317:
loool.... well, the word good is self descriptive, however u are very free to define it how it fits you. but even my 2 years old niece know what good means.
As an atheist you should not claim that good is self-evident, as that destroys your position completely.

You have even claimed morality is so self-evident it is obvious to your two year old neice. I admire your honesty, and I hope you will take it to it's logical conclusions. An objective morality implies an objective Law-giver: God
PoliticsRe: Signature Forgery: Ann Nat. Sec Sues Fela Durotoye/emmanuel Dania by Joshthefirst(m): 7:10pm On Oct 06, 2018
DamienW:
Again. These are baseless lies from the Olawepo-Hashim camp and former interim chairman, Dr. Jay Samuels.

The said “ANN National Secretary”, Alhaji Sahid Umar is a member of the renegade faction of the Alliance for New Nigeria which has now coalesced with People’s Trust party to become the Alliance for People’s Trust.

With the position of the National Secretary vacant, the Deputy National Secretary, Dr. Osita Okonkwo has assumed the role of National Secretary, Alliance for New Nigeria; and that is HIS AUTHENTIC SIGNATURE on the certificate.

Gbenga Olawepo Hashim, Dr. Jay Samuels and their cohorts of the Alliance for People’s Trust should be careful of making incendiary statements; as the Chairman, Emmanuel Dania and the National Executive of Alliance for New Nigeria have been ratified and recognized by INEC as legitimate authorities in ANN.

We welcome those “criminal proceedings” as an opportunity to show Gbenga Olawepo Hashim and his cohorts as the brigands and liars they are.

Second, concerning the PACT issue, Fela Durotoye is NOT the convener of PACT, but was invited, just like 17 other Presidential aspirants were.

A formal letter from PACT was written to Dr. Oby Ezekwesili by the conveners of PACT, to umpire the process.

She accepted; and oversaw a transparent process, which saw Fela Durotoye emerge as the Consensus Candidate.

It is crystal clear that a New Nigeria will not and cannot be built by the old political class represented by Olawepo-Hashim, Jay Samuels and their rabble rousers of the Alliance for People’s Trust.

Fela Durotoye has always been a man of great character and integrity and has consistently run a clean campaign, free of mudslinging and he will not descend into the dirt where the pigs play.
Please create a thread with this information and we'll move for it to reach front page. This nonsense must stop.
PoliticsRe: Signature Forgery: Ann Nat. Sec Sues Fela Durotoye/emmanuel Dania by Joshthefirst(m): 7:08pm On Oct 06, 2018
Daviddson:
If I were Lalasticlala I'd put a hold on bringing all these unverified character assassination threads to the front page. It seem to me like that there's a calculated campaign to discredit Fela by the media team of Gbenga Hashim. Nowhere in the thread did the OP give details about the so-called court suit it mentioned in the headline.
I'm telling you. Lalasticlala for goodness sake can you not move threads with fake news and unfortunate sources to front page? Abi did they pay you? Or is it because of traffic you're moving them?

The real news with trusted sources you won't even send to front page? What nonsense? It's a beautiful Nigeria that involves your future Fela is fighting for.
PoliticsRe: Signature Forgery: Ann Nat. Sec Sues Fela Durotoye/emmanuel Dania by Joshthefirst(m): 7:02pm On Oct 06, 2018
Lol. Look at the site they're using as source sef.

I wonder why these guys keep making front page with an unfortunate source spreading unfounded and fake news? Oh I forgot. Controversy breeds more traffic and more returns for nairaland. Well done Seun. Even lies are boldly spread on your forum as news.
PoliticsUntold Story Of ANN Presidential Primaries by Joshthefirst(op): 6:57am On Oct 05, 2018
Following the dust that arose from the presidential primaries of the Alliance for a New Nigeria political party, where many of the aspirants withdrew from the race and or party, the spokesman of the party has revealed what really transpired before and during the primaries. Durotoye Below is the report. “In a time such as this, where there is clamour for power and political unrest, where surprises are springing up daily and the underdogs awakening to be giants and the people’s Hero, it is no surprise that facts and truths can be misrepresented and lost amidst the foray. One of such is the real story behind the just concluded presidential primaries for the Alliance for a New Nigeria political party. Newly registered with a vision to make a difference and birth the new Nigeria of our dreams. Like a plant about to grow something new, re-adjustments within the party to weed off those whose underlying intentions and whose values are not aligned with the values of this party. Little wonder why people who haven’t been able to sway the party for their personal gains will cry wolf and try to discredit the work and integrity of the party especially just after the just concluded successful Presidential Primaries. It is reported that sometime in February 2018, Fela Durotoye now ANN Presidential Flag bearer joined the party and declared his intentions to run for office with the party. Around May 2018, the Nigeria Intervention Movement joined ANN with their representatives, Dr. Thomas-Wilson Ikubese and Mrs. Elishama Ideh. ANN continued to grow and its first National Convention was billed to take place in August 2018. About three weeks to this, a certain Aspirant shows up who had not been on the scene before but in respect to its values, ANN opened its arms to welcome him, this aspirant was Gbenga Olawepo Hashim. Not too long after his joining, reports of parallel congresses in several states of the ANN especially northern region reached the National Executive committee, certain groups not prior recognized or documented with the party held congresses parallel to the existing structure. Some states ended up with dual persons for its ward, local and state government chairmen. This led to a boycott of the National Convention by 3 aspirants unless the irregularities were addressed. The National Executive Committee met on the 3RD of September, 2018 and set the date of the primaries for the following dates;

States House of Assembly – 5TH October, 2018 House of Representatives – 3RD October, 2018 Senate – 2ND October, 2018 Gubernatorial – 4TH October, 2018 Presidential – 29TH September, 2018 Collection and Submission of Expression of Interest and Nomination Forms – 9TH to 19TH September, 2018

Decisions such as this can only be taken by NEC presided over by the National Chairman and in quorum. September 29, 2018 was communicated to all. Presidential aspirants purchased their forms and the party kicked off arrangements and printed materials to be used. Just before the day, aspirants, Dr. Thomas-Wilson Ikubese and Mrs. Elishama Ideh, withdrew from the presidential race yielding their manifestos to Fela Durotoye and trusting that he will execute its content for the betterment of Nigerians at large reinforcing their earlier decision to support Fela Durotoye when he emerged from amongst them as the consensus candidate of Presidential Aspirants Coming Together(PACT). [b]Perhaps this and the general news of Fela Durotoye’s message of value driven leadership which already gained popularity nationally got the late entrant presidential aspirant, Gbenga Olawepo Hashim rattled and unsure. Just one day to the presidential elections, he penned a notification of his intentions to boycott the primaries after several attempts to make the NWC postpone the primaries amid several sabotage efforts by his cohorts that accompanied him to the party. One begins to question his decision making ability when he seems to make personal decisions at the last minute having been fully aware of all the details of the primaries prior to that day. The primaries took place as scheduled, using the indirect election process. At the end of the day, Fela Durotoye emerged party presidential candidate with 240 votes to 7 for Gbenga Olawepo Hashim who is now calling for a parallel presidential primaries with schedule conflicting with House of Representatives primaries on grounds that he has not been able to substantiate so far. The question then is, is this someone who must get power at all costs? Is this person really here to serve Nigeria with his heart or here to serve the selfish interests of a few? ANN as a party has refused to do things the old way as this fellow may be used to in the PDP where he came from. He has however often times said his structure is a mixture of PDP, APC and ANN. It was reported that on the morning of the primaries, Gbenga Olawepo Hashim invited a number of State Chairmen loyal to him, inclusive of individuals in his following whom he had tried to install as parallel state chairmen and a couple of state chairmen who were oblivious of the real intent of a meeting turned press conference. He however ended up offering inducement to some state chairmen to not participate in the legally organised presidential primaries duly observed by INEC in which 21 states went through proper accreditation and 3 states arrived after accreditation had closed. We can infer who they voted for from the results. ANN remains a party with a strong value system and those with little or none of that will get uncomfortable when they cannot sway things materially in their own favour.”[/b] Source: Public relations officer, Alliance for New Nigeria political party (ANN)


Source: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/10/untold-story-of-ann-presidential-primaries-spokesman/
PoliticsRe: 14 New Breed Presidential Aspirants Form Pact To Unseat Current Powers In 2019 by Joshthefirst(op): 8:26am On Aug 03, 2018
This is hope! No one should be deceived by all the decamping shows. We need a new brand of leadership and a new Nigeria!

Something unprecedented will happen in 2019


Mods Front Page Publicity please. This is real news.

#lalasticlala
Politics14 New Breed Presidential Aspirants Form Pact To Unseat Current Powers In 2019 by Joshthefirst(op):
Ahead of 2019 presidential election in Nigeria, 14 new breed presidential aspirants have agreed to form a pact to unseat President Muhammadu Buhari-led All Progressives Congress, APC, government and “rescue Nigeria from the brink of collapse through visionary leadership.”

The presidential aspirants who, rising from a communiqué on Tuesday, 31st July 2018, said it became imperative that they come for the rescue of the country because leadership by those who have been in power has failed the country.

The aspirants warned Nigerians against falling prey to what they described as “defections and counter-defections from and to various political parties as well as formation of coalitions by the same breed of politicians and leaders whom, according to them, have brought untold hardship and underdevelopment to the country.

The visionary aspirants who formed the pact are: Thomas-Wilson Ikubese; Comrade Eragbe Anslem; Sowore Omoyele; Fela Durotoye; Tope Fasua; Sina Fagbenro-Byron; Jaye Gaskia and Ahmed Buhari. Others are, Mathias Tsado; Victor Ani-Laju; Alistair Soyode; Godstime Sidney Iroabuchi; Clement Jimbo and Elishama Ideh.

They said, as visionary leaders, they would unite Nigerians because unity is the focal ingredient for the development of a nation.

The communiqué reads thus:

“It is no longer debatable that our country Nigeria has been brought to her knees, and is tottering on the brink of collapse.

In no more than the life of a generation, our nation and people are witnessing the catastrophic failure of governance and the near collapse of virtually all our national institutions; such that we have now become the country with the largest concentration of poor people in the world.

The ties that bind us together are today under such enormous pressures, that we can say, without any doubt, that never in our history have we been confronted by such a scale and scope of existential crises.

We are very clear in our minds and share the collective conviction, that our present woes, in their history, is as a result of collective failure of leadership by those who have been in the leadership of our country for decades, and the establishment that have institutionalised support in their self-interest and visionless leadership.

We share the grievance and anger of our people, as well as their yearnings and aspirations for a new Nigeria different from the one bequeathed on us by our leaders from independence in 1960 till date 31st July, 2018.

We are categorical about those who should accept responsibility for our failures as a nation 1960-2018; and as visionary presidential aspirants coming together under PACT, we are united in our convictions, that our national rebirth can be achieved through collective engagements to install a new political order in 2019 by taking up leadership responsibilities in the overall common good.

We are conscious of the fact that, the ploy, by the establishment form new coalitions with the antics of defection from party to party, is a ploy calculated at ensuring that power does not slip out off their hands.

We denounce such coalition and defection forming-pranks and antics as calculated attempts to deceive the mass of our people.

We call on the mass of our people, who are victims of their misrule, not to allow them to be deceived again.

This is why those of us who represent a new crop and paradigm shift in leadership, and embodiment of a new vision have agreed to come together and work for the realization a greater Nigeria for the actualization of our full potentials in human and materials resources.

Suffice it to say that, those of us who have indicated interest with our aspirations to lead our country avowed to engage a radical transformational developmental process by way of this resolution reached today Tuesday, 31st of July 2018 as we deliberate on the challenges of our country, with a commitment and resolve to begin the process of taking collective ownership of this renaissance struggle aimed at national rebirth in rebuilding the nation.

OUR RESOLVE AND DECISIONS

In the light of the foregoing and as a response to the collective yearnings and aspirations of our people; we have resolved as follows:

1: Recognising that at the core of our existential challenges as a people and nation is the failure of leadership;

2: we affirm, that as the new face of visionary leadership for our country, we are collectively stepping into the fray, to fill the leadership vacuum, and offer leadership at this momentous juncture in our history;

3: We affirm that collectively, we are committed to the process of building a United Front to mobilize our people to lead the change we desire during the 2019 general elections;

4: We understand that Unity is a process, and not an event, and as such, we undertake to effect necessary steps towards consolidating on the process of building a united front based on shared vision and ideas;

5: Towards this end, we are in agreement that internal party processes towards producing eventual party candidates and flag bearers should be allowed to reach its logical conclusion;

6: Furthermore, we are committed to step up the process of building a united front once party candidates have emerged; and shall continually hold consultations among ourselves and broker conversations with our parties towards ensuring that we are able to present a United Front towards the 2019 general elections;

7: Finally, we know that the 2019 general elections will be a historically decisive one; we know that the conditions are ripening for an electoral process with outcome that can be revolutionarily transformative.

8: We embrace this process of the 2019 election as a revolution.

IN CONCLUSION:

Recognising the crises we face as a people, and understanding that the collective leadership failure of the current ruling establishment is responsible for this failure; we have stepped forward, to stand in the breach, and provide the new type of visionary leadership for our country;

Such new leadership, so sorely needed is the basic requirement for us to achieve national and human development and realise our full potential as a people and nation.

We affirm, that we are the embodiment of the new Nigeria, and of the process to achieve our national liberation as a country, social emancipation as a people, and societal rebirth and renewal.

We represent the future of our country, a future which begins now; and we know it.

We take collective ownership of that mission.

Our future is determined now !”

Source
Christianity EtcRe: The Curse Of Calvary by Joshthefirst(m): 10:50pm On May 04, 2018
HappyPagan:
Love you Josh but we just have to agree to disagree.

I have something I value. You have something you don't... You want Christ mind. I want my mind. I lack the required faith necessary to believe your tales. Maybe, one day, my eyes will close to reason and open to faith. Till then, your Jewish tale remains a mythical one.
Faith and reason need not conflict.

May Christ open your mind.

Goodnight.
And I love you too

And are you sonoflucifer?
Christianity EtcRe: Good Reasons To Be An Atheist Now. by Joshthefirst(m): 10:47pm On May 04, 2018
frank317:
Long time bro... hope you are doing good
Interesting question. Since you're a moral relativist, I'll have to ask you what you mean by "good".

frank317: Better life is better life. some lives are better than others but there is always a room for comparison and measurement. all in all, it means some level of happiness and fulfillment. My point is that anyone can experience it be it a christian or not. Christians cannot claim monopoly of better life. believe in God does not give life any meaning, its just a mirage that people use to make themselves feel good. it just serves as motivation for depress people to move on but people also find such motivation in drug, alcohol and relationships. some have the inner strenght to motivate themselves, other need good company and love.. whatever rocks your both. but its dubious of christians to claim monopoly of better life, that self deceit and its dangerous.
Can you point out the end of happiness and fulfilment as an atheist? You do not believe in God and I take it you do not believe in life after death. So what is the point of anything worthwhile apart from maybe self gratification through drugs and alcohol as you have said. If we all eventually come to a meaningless end from a meaningless start then should you not envy the one who "deludes" herself with true meaning and purpose in God?

Does the meaninglessNess of life not laugh you in the face? Or do you find some way to lie to yourself and deny it's voice?


frank317: No, I'd rather say you are dishonest if u as a theist claim ur life even better dimension than that of an atheist. we can continue going back and fourth but at the end of the day all we wil have are our words. but lets jump from words and look around us. there are more Christians around us that atheists... i am an atheist and i know my life is better than that of many christian even people who claim bornagain and live a 'holy' life. that alone tell me a lot.



The context of the meaning of life is what we make of is... you think urs is God(whatever that means) i think mine is achievement and happiness nd from what i make of it. at the end of the day its just what we chose to think, the result is usually the same
Again, where is the reference for the bolded? Death laughs in the face of any achievement, achievement without faith(hope), is useless nonsense, as death and the meaningless finite darkness of the cosmos you accept as a materialist renders all achievements broken on the walls of darkness.

frank317: you are asking me where the context of relationship with others came from? are u for real? ever heard of no man is an island? people need people, u dont need any God to tell you this.
Again, what is the point? Apart from maybe providing finite comraderie against the purposeless meaninglessness of the universe. Or do you think the universe has meaning or purpose? If you think it does not, then how can you, who lives in it, have any?

frank317: morality came from learning... its simple. if u slap me, i feel pain. I there for know how another will feel if they are slapped... therefore slapping another is bad. u can extend this simple example to any area of life. except mayb u need God to know that slapping another is painful.
Pain is the basis of your morality? Pain is subjective. What if I could end an entire civilization painlessly in an instant, maybe because they don't add any technological value or progress to others? Would my action be morally justified?

frank317: my reasons for living are basically the same as urs. you want to maximize happiness and reduce pain and sadness. can u tell me what u are living for?
We don't have the same reason for living. First, I believe God created me and he has a plan and purpose for my life. I believes he rewards righteousness, so my achievements and whatever I experience have eternal significance and reward. Without God, Achievements areally futile, because death laughs not only in my face, but in the face of all humanity. Without God, I only exist by chance, and the end of all of my living is Nihility. I can only try to live out my days in self gratification till I die a meaningless death. Will this sort of thinking not plunge humanity into chaos?
Some philosophers think that if it were indeed found out that there was no God, we'd have to invent one.

frank317: you think its easy calling ur so called almighty creator whose anger is flaming red a bluff? its takes a self confident and strong man to be an atheist.
Indeed. It takes a man with guts to deny reality.
Christianity EtcRe: Good Reasons To Be An Atheist Now. by Joshthefirst(m): 10:17pm On May 04, 2018
Born2Freak:
Pardon my interruption but I would like to say that God is not necessary for one to have a better life.

Man has reached the moon without God
Bill Gates and other Western millionaires have contributed to many humanitarian solutions without God


You ask about the meaning of life. It is interesting to note that there was a thread pointing out how life is more meaningless with God. The thread argued that even in christianity, there are different versions of the same "God".
Don't refer me to threads pointing out your assertion, show it here. Belief in God is necessary as a pivot of any reality.

Without belief in God, does your life have meaning?
Christianity EtcRe: The Curse Of Calvary by Joshthefirst(m): 10:13pm On May 04, 2018
HappyPagan:
It has been examined a lot - it's the reason it has many sects. It takes the form of the examiner.


Oh, dear Josh. I agree with you @bold. But it does offer enough evidence to foster doubt, and one who doubts should be encouraged to, if the belief system is true. Darkness lies in mysteries, light reveals the hidden, doubt is the lantern in which reason burns.
Doubts should be reasoned with and examined. Yes.

HappyPagan: I do not seek to take your moinmoin. I've had my fair share. Like Eve, all I ask is will you try the apple in the tree of knowledge, your escape from Eden?
No. You have no apple to offer. No basis and no pivot for reality. You offer meaningless nothingness as an alternative. Or do you deny this?


HappyPagan: I see no love in the unfortunate death of a Jewish carpenter. All I see is a man who claimed to be God murdered by his own people. I feel some empathy for the man - he didn't deserve a cross, but a sanitarium. He was only a victim of the times he lived in.
That Jewish carpenter claimed to die for you. That is love. Reject his love, call him mad, but don't deny his love, and don't deny your sinful nature.

HappyPagan: The Cross is not a burden a black man should carry. Jesus never carried the burden of slavery. You did. Still do.
Only Jesus carries the ultimate burden of the cross, and offers us freedom in stead. You think I'm a slave? I'm only a loving servant to the one who saved me, but you, are a slave of life, and it's madness, of wrongdoing, and it's darkness. You are a slave to whatever action holds you in bondage.


HappyPagan: This is crazy. God set up a planet, and made one rule - do not eat. Somehow, a fruit led to his Son's death, and millions of others through misunderstood doctrines.

yet you still trust his judgment? This guy has failed so many times, if he was real I'd be dead for calling..
Don't keep relaying wrong information. The accurate information is that he made one rule not to eat from a particular tree, and it is the rebellion that led to his bloody sacrifice. And rejection of salvationgives you the freewill alternative available.

HappyPagan: You are mad.
Lol. You do not know what faith is. Dawkins says faith is blind belief, but truly, faith is based on information. You have faith in scientific authority, you believe in knowledge, you believe and hope you won't die as you reply this message. Faith is hope, based on accurate understanding.
Christianity EtcRe: Confusion And Hypocrisy On The Part Of Christians Towards Science. by Joshthefirst(m): 9:59pm On May 03, 2018
hopefulLandlord:
honestly your atheism must've been really weak for such a film to plant seed into your heart but I guess the movie did that to you cuz you're simply the type of "atheist" the movie was talking about...
Therein lies the fallacy of atheism. You have to seriously strengthen it all the time, because life itself is a constant whisperer of the truth. You have to really be strong and constantly ward off reason to feed this illogical and even destructive worldview.
Christianity EtcRe: The Curse Of Calvary by Joshthefirst(m): 9:48pm On May 03, 2018
HappyPagan:
My man, it's good to see you.


Go ahead. I only hope they aren't a waste of my time.


Aren't we all? Freedom is what all men crave, yet we remain trapped in a body that will go from young to old to decayed. You find freedom in the corpse of a slain Jew. That's what's crazy.


Those who accuse others of ANARCHY, are the same who have profited off it. Christianity's rise wasn't glorious like the resurrection; it rose on the wings of colonized cities, continents and people. It's the reason a black man calls himself Joseph the first.
Christian doctrine is there to be examined. That men subjugated others is no yardstick to reject a whole belief system. Christianity may have been wrongly referred to as a means of evil, that does not make it evil. The Romans brought wine and trade to the territories they captured. Wine is not bad, trade is not bad, murder on the other hand is another thing entirely.

HappyPagan: I can't fault your conclusion. I mean, without Jesus, your world crumbles. It's the only standard you know.

I dey chopchop moinmoin, any other food na nonsense.
Yes. The world doesn’t make sense without Jesus. Without God. I have moinmoin, but you want to take away my moinmoin, and give me dust to eat. I think not.

HappyPagan: Do you know what Love is?
Jesus and the cross are the peak of love. So I know Love, much better than you I dare say.


HappyPagan: Injustice to who? God? Was God a victim of injustice? What crime did man commit against God?
This is your greatest paragraph. You asked me a question, meaning you have given me allowance to answer:

Justice and injustice are serious moral terms you see, and they imply a moral enforcer. God is the great enforcer. If you believe in justice greater than yourself, then you would see that the very notion of right and wrong evidences a great Judge, to whom we must answer to in the end. God is not the victim. He is the Judge, the arbiter. Mans every crime, is an affront to the laws of right and wrong God set up, and a Just God will punish man for his crimes.


HappyPagan: Save your emotions for the pulpit. To believe a Jew beaten in Israel two centuries died ago is pure silliness.



Without faith, no man can believe this story.
Without faith no man can believe or understand anything.
Christianity EtcRe: The Curse Of Calvary by Joshthefirst(m): 9:13pm On May 03, 2018
HappyPagan:
Our people are so brainwashed by Christ, the only reason they love Trump is because he hates Muslims and homos... just like they do. As the Bible says they should.

The minds are caged by the ancient writings of Hebrew men wandering an Asian jungle. Take the Bible from them, and they have no other way to interpret the world around them.
Here you make assertions, so I will make mine. You are currently brainwashed by a deceiving impulse of freedom. Your mind is in a worse cage, because you interpret your world with no point of reference, and invite others through this thread to do the same. The long term result of your proposition is a state called ANARCHY.

As for the bolded, what is wrong with it? The biblical standard is the most reliable and accurate way to interpret the world. And what do you offer? Probably no standard at all.


HappyPagan: The Old Testament/New Testament is their only interpretation of the world... Ancient is old Testament, modern is new testament, God is as the Israelites said.

This is written for those who wish to renounce Jesus, those who need no Hebrew Savior, those who realize there is nothing to be saved from. Only Fear.

Fear is the foundation on which the Bible is built. For God so loved the world, that he gave his Son? Really? Wouldn't forgiveness have been a better option from a 'loving' God?
Love, is the foundation on which the Bible is built, from beginning to end.
As for the bolded, Let me now explain the beautiful and logical miracle of the cross.
I could write an emotional soliloquy on the cross my friend. But let me give a small explanation, a summary of a defense.

God, the all powerful and JUST one loved the world. But mere forgiveness is injustice, because sin must be addressed, and sinners must be punished. But God, in his love, would not consume man in “just” wrath. So he sent his Son to die. See?

The Son, became man, and stood for mans sin, and bore all of God’s wrath on the cross. And God could be justified in forgiving man all his sins, because they were justly paid for by the Son. The cross is not a curse my friend. It is a beautiful symbol of where Gods justice and his love meet and flow out in the blood of Jesus for all generations.

Should I continue to address the rest of what you have said after giving this beautiful reply? I think not. Whether it is a hatred of the white man, or a complex of inferiority, do not strive to attack the very foundations of truth in a zealous burst of falsity.
Christianity EtcRe: Confusion And Hypocrisy On The Part Of Christians Towards Science. by Joshthefirst(m): 8:48pm On May 03, 2018
hopefulLandlord:
Yahweh is not dead is a stupid movie, calling it intellectually simulating is akin to calling Buhari fat

GIND is simply a Christian propaganda movie
It is actually intellectually stimulating.

And before is it godless propaganda you want us to watch? You better be serious oh.
Christianity EtcRe: Confusion And Hypocrisy On The Part Of Christians Towards Science. by Joshthefirst(m): 8:45pm On May 03, 2018
Martinez19:
grin grin grin grin grin

Ever heard a pastor say to his members "which report shall you believe? The doctor's report or God's report?" grin and the members respond "God's!" or the pastor say "... despite what the doctors say..." and the members keep nodding their heads, like agama lizards, in agreement as the pastors preach on. The irony is that these pastors don't applied this to themselves, even christians too. Why make a mockery of medical science in this manner to express the superiority of yahweh when you will still consult a doctor in the time of need? Some pastors even say that scientists know nothing and God is their master (master scientists) yet they make use of the results of these scientists justifying their hypocrisy with the nonsense of "science is yahweh's provision and medical science is yahweh's cure to man."

The problem is if you will still turn to doctors, then don't shame them and their craft. And for the intellectual failures that are going say "medical science is Yahweh's provision for illnesses", I put it to you that those words portray a God with a misplacement of priority or bad methodology given that he is perfect and all powerful. Why not heal diseases right away while allow your children to squander money on treatments, drugs, surgery and the likes? Why make medicine the sole provision given that medicine is limited but an all powerful god can cure all diseases? Do you know how many christians died from malaria before antimalarial drugs were invented? What was yahweh doing when these christians were perishing from malaria? Folding his arms?Today, any christian who has terminal cancer dies. So why a provision that is limited instead of your raw unlimited power which is available?

That's poor methodology. Christians should stop all these nonsense and admit that the bible supports healing by faith alone rather than try to cover it up with "medical science is God's provision". They should be clear on where they stand and stop being hypocritical and confusing people. Up science! Up doctors!
Yes. Thank God for doctors and science. Unfortunately for you, medical science is not in any opposition to trusting in God. There are different levels of trust and faith, and whichever one any Christian is at is fine, so far as he realizes that God is for him and not against him. Christians believe the dysfunction of this world caused by sin’s entry into creation is the cause of sickness and disease.

And God wishes us to prosper in health, even as our souls prosper.
Christianity EtcRe: Good Reasons To Be An Atheist Now. by Joshthefirst(m): 8:35pm On May 03, 2018
frank317:
Isnt this what we have been saying? Religion or no religion... believe in God or not does not make any ones life better. Thats the simple point we want to prove to ya all who go about lying to people that their life will be better if they start beliving... i am glad u are gradually learning sha
Long time Frank.

To the bolded, it all depends on what one means by “making life better”. If by better, you mean belief in God gives life context and hinge and meaning, then belief in God does exactly that. So you’re wrong or dishonest if you, as an atheist claims your life has the same dimensions as that of a theist. Where does the context and meaning of your life come from? Where does the context of your relationship with others come from? And your morality? And your reason for living?

See?
Christianity EtcRe: Reply To Julie By Gideon Odoma by Joshthefirst(op): 5:51pm On Oct 12, 2017
And the quote from G.K Chesterton once more.

"The new rebel is a skeptic, and will not entirely trust anything. He has no loyalty; therefore he can never be really a revolutionist. And the fact that he doubts everything really gets in his way when he wants to denounce anything. For all denunciation implies a moral doctrine of some kind; and the modern revolutionist doubts not only the institution he denounces, but the doctrine by which he denounces it... As a politician, he will cry out that war is a waste of life, and then, as a philosopher, that all life is waste of time. A Russian pessimist will denounce a policeman for killing a peasant, and then prove by the highest philosophical principles that the peasant ought to have killed himself. . . . The man of this school goes first to a political meeting, where he complains that savages are treated as if they were beasts; then he takes his hat and umbrella and goes on to a scientific meeting, where he proves that they practically are beasts. In short, the modern revolutionist, being an infinite skeptic, is always engaged in undermining his own mines. In his book on politics he attacks men for trampling on morality; in his book on ethics he attacks morality for trampling on men. Therefore the modern man in revolt has become practically useless for all purposes of revolt. By rebelling against everything he has lost his right to rebel against anything.”
― G.K. Chesterton
Christianity EtcRe: Christian Doctors And Science Students (science Vs Religion) by Joshthefirst(m): 5:47pm On Oct 12, 2017
CatfishBilly:
A classic case of "Cognitive Dissonance" is preventing Spacetacular and Joshthefirst from answering this question .
sorry for taking so long, but the answer to your question is yes of course.
Christianity EtcReply To Julie By Gideon Odoma by Joshthefirst(op): 5:46pm On Oct 12, 2017
Here's a noteworthy reply to one examining the Christian belief by Gideon Odoma.

My (Very Long Reply) to Julie.

Dear Julie,

I understand your concerns. I feel your frustration.

It is laughable, even though it's pathetic, that supposed intelligent people whine on and on (thanks to the internet) about why they don't believe in God or why Christianity isn't right; yet, they offer no convincing 'grounding' for their denunciations.

A little example:
If I say you got your sums wrong because you wrote 500 as the answer to '200 plus 200'; and I insist your answer should have been 400, I do not mean I prefer 400 to 500 as the answer to the sum. I mean something deeper than that. I mean that in an objective, verifiable way, 200 + 200 comes up to 400 - and to nothing else. Certain things cannot be resolved by mere tastes and preferences.

If you prefer Eba to Amala for lunch next wednesday, that's fine, but in resolving truth claims, preferences and/or emotions cannot be trusted to get us to truth.

Floating is bliss!?
It is inept how some internet critics think their uncertainty about truth claims in matters of religion is a superior disposition to the confidence of religious believers who have reasons to be certain about their religious convictions. If Christian morality, for instance, is wrong, you don't only have to show the right alternative to it, but also the standard, the yardstick by which you decided that your proposed alternative is true. You also have to show why the yardstick is legitimate.

Merely mouthing things like 'progressives' or 'enlightenment', or 'broad-minded', or 'liberated' won't take us anywhere close to truth. As you may know, 'time' also does not change a historical fact. It is silly to call me antiquated for believing that one of my forefathers was called Odoma. The mere passage of time and a thousand scientific inventions since he died, do not change that fact.

The Crux
Jesus died. He was He buried. He rose from the dead. These are truth claims. They don't "depend on how you see them". They don't depend on how you feel, or whether any one else has ever had a similar experience. A truth claim (located in history) may sound arrogant, intolerant and exclusivistic; it matters little. What matters is the truth. Did it happen as claimed? If Jesus died and rose again, that's a real game changer there. And if you desire to write Christianity off, you must investigate this claim. Because, it is a matter of life and death. Your own, I mean.

The writers of the New Testament are very clear about this: our faith depends on the truth, the historicity of the death and resurrection of Jesus. "If Christ be not raised (from the dead, then), your faith is vain..." (1 Corinthians 15:17). If He was not raised, we can close shop and go our ways, because, on the Christian narrative, that's the pivotal issue.

However, if Jesus is alive, having been raised from the dead following His crucifixion, He becomes the most reliable voice to listen to - in matters of life, death and life after death. Also, His precepts for mankind, codified as the New Testament, becomes a code in a class all of its own.

The bible is clear: Jesus' resurrection from the dead is proof of God's unmatched approval of His life as the 'pattern life' for mankind and as our only pathway to God.

In other words, the proof that Christianity is true is the historicity of the death and resurrection of Jesus. This is also a major proof of the legitimacy of Christian exclusivity. As paul said: "(God) has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. HE HAS GIVEN PROOF of this to everyone BY raising him (Jesus) from the dead.” (Acts 17:31)

So, Julie, before you let anyone make you dismiss Christianity as just another religion, investigate the central claim it makes, "that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" (1 Corinthians 15:3-4). Will you investigate these things for yourself? I can recommend a reading list if you'd like me to. But you'll have to investigate it for yourself.

Many people (excluding you, I hope) will have none of these. They don't want to do the hard work. They don't want to investigate the facts. They'll rather read sensational, non credible, non academic, non historical gabbage peddled by revisionists. Having been fed such trash, I see them as self-made victims, epistemologically emasculated, yet masquerading on social networks as enlightened, informed religious critics.

These epistemologically homeless critics just criticize Christianity but offer no reasonable, coherent alternative. They only know what they disbelieve, they can't articulate what they believe - majority of them. Here, I will leave you in the hands of a far more competent figure. Let G. K. Chesterton speak:

“The new rebel is a skeptic, and will not entirely trust anything. He has no loyalty; therefore he can never be really a revolutionist. And the fact that he doubts everything really gets in his way when he wants to denounce anything. For all denunciation implies a moral doctrine of some kind; and the modern revolutionist doubts not only the institution he denounces, but the doctrine by which he denounces it... As a politician, he will cry out that war is a waste of life, and then, as a philosopher, that all life is waste of time. A Russian pessimist will denounce a policeman for killing a peasant, and then prove by the highest philosophical principles that the peasant ought to have killed himself. . . . The man of this school goes first to a political meeting, where he complains that savages are treated as if they were beasts; then he takes his hat and umbrella and goes on to a scientific meeting, where he proves that they practically are beasts. In short, the modern revolutionist, being an infinite skeptic, is always engaged in undermining his own mines. In his book on politics he attacks men for trampling on morality; in his book on ethics he attacks morality for trampling on men. Therefore the modern man in revolt has become practically useless for all purposes of revolt. By rebelling against everything he has lost his right to rebel against anything.”
― G.K. Chesterton

Enough. It's a long reply. Looking forward to your response.

Gideon

#ChristiansLikeChristians
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Christianity EtcRe: Calling All Atheists! I Need This Argument Destroyed. by Joshthefirst(m): 6:19pm On Jul 08, 2017
LightandDarkness:
Bacterial resistance actually does occur through the addition of new genetic information via plasmids or bacteriophages. Bacterial resistance does also occur through random mutations, bacteria with mutations conferring resistance are selected for in the presence of antibiotics. You are right in saying that these mutations also result in a reduction of pathogenicity however in the immediate environment those genes offer protection which is why those bacteria survive, however antibiotic resistance still provides an overall benefit, the bacteria might replicate more slowly but is now less likely to be killed off bty antibiotics.

I think the problems here are: 1. You see the genome as exact and fixed meanwhile the bases in the genome are constantly changing even in essential genes which is why we have variant alleles. 2. Mutations are neither inherently good or bad, they are a reality of the genome.
Transfer of resistance genes through plasmids or transposons don't count, as it is still the admixtered genes transfered, there is no generation of any new genetic information.

My reply to your percieved problems
1. I have not and never seen the genome as exact and fixed. I wonder where you got this conclusion from huh

2. Understand what I mean by "good" mutations: I mean mutations that drastically add to the overall complexity and sophistication of an organism, I mean beneficial FUNCTIONAL ADDITIONS, transforming it into a different family or kind all together without causing any loss or disadvantage in it's overall make up.

You see, macroevolution is fantasically improbable because the very foundation of it's suggestion has never been demonstrated. Take a look at antibacterial resistance, mutations that damage the genome cause new preferable traits, but they damage the genome all the same, reducing pathogenicity of the organisms and even causing loss of function in some cases. Damaging mutations cannot be the basis for molecules to man evolution. Impractical. Not just that, the "new information" of resistance is not new, but simply a scrambling or corruption of existing information.

Macroevolution needs the generation of new function, and not just small function, drastic functional development. An organism had to develop the ability to convert sunlight and co2 into sugar, another had to convert sugar to energy, another had to develop mechanisms enabling it to capture light as a visual stimulus and turn it into an interpretable image in it's brain. All these are ultra structural processes, and their sub-mechanisms and proteins and sub genetic elements will be selected away before any viable function takes place. See?

Darwin was wrong. He was ignorant of the mechanisms of change in organisms and genomics that we know today

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