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HappyPagan:

frank317:
loool.... well, the word good is self descriptive, however u are very free to define it how it fits you. but even my 2 years old niece know what good means.

DamienW:
Again. These are baseless lies from the Olawepo-Hashim camp and former interim chairman, Dr. Jay Samuels.

The said “ANN National Secretary”, Alhaji Sahid Umar is a member of the renegade faction of the Alliance for New Nigeria which has now coalesced with People’s Trust party to become the Alliance for People’s Trust.

With the position of the National Secretary vacant, the Deputy National Secretary, Dr. Osita Okonkwo has assumed the role of National Secretary, Alliance for New Nigeria; and that is HIS AUTHENTIC SIGNATURE on the certificate.

Gbenga Olawepo Hashim, Dr. Jay Samuels and their cohorts of the Alliance for People’s Trust should be careful of making incendiary statements; as the Chairman, Emmanuel Dania and the National Executive of Alliance for New Nigeria have been ratified and recognized by INEC as legitimate authorities in ANN.

We welcome those “criminal proceedings” as an opportunity to show Gbenga Olawepo Hashim and his cohorts as the brigands and liars they are.

Second, concerning the PACT issue, Fela Durotoye is NOT the convener of PACT, but was invited, just like 17 other Presidential aspirants were.

A formal letter from PACT was written to Dr. Oby Ezekwesili by the conveners of PACT, to umpire the process.

She accepted; and oversaw a transparent process, which saw Fela Durotoye emerge as the Consensus Candidate.

It is crystal clear that a New Nigeria will not and cannot be built by the old political class represented by Olawepo-Hashim, Jay Samuels and their rabble rousers of the Alliance for People’s Trust.

Fela Durotoye has always been a man of great character and integrity and has consistently run a clean campaign, free of mudslinging and he will not descend into the dirt where the pigs play.

Daviddson:
If I were Lalasticlala I'd put a hold on bringing all these unverified character assassination threads to the front page. It seem to me like that there's a calculated campaign to discredit Fela by the media team of Gbenga Hashim. Nowhere in the thread did the OP give details about the so-called court suit it mentioned in the headline.

Ahead of 2019 presidential election in Nigeria, 14 new breed presidential aspirants have agreed to form a pact to unseat President Muhammadu Buhari-led All Progressives Congress, APC, government and “rescue Nigeria from the brink of collapse through visionary leadership.”

The presidential aspirants who, rising from a communiqué on Tuesday, 31st July 2018, said it became imperative that they come for the rescue of the country because leadership by those who have been in power has failed the country.

The aspirants warned Nigerians against falling prey to what they described as “defections and counter-defections from and to various political parties as well as formation of coalitions by the same breed of politicians and leaders whom, according to them, have brought untold hardship and underdevelopment to the country.

The visionary aspirants who formed the pact are: Thomas-Wilson Ikubese; Comrade Eragbe Anslem; Sowore Omoyele; Fela Durotoye; Tope Fasua; Sina Fagbenro-Byron; Jaye Gaskia and Ahmed Buhari. Others are, Mathias Tsado; Victor Ani-Laju; Alistair Soyode; Godstime Sidney Iroabuchi; Clement Jimbo and Elishama Ideh.

They said, as visionary leaders, they would unite Nigerians because unity is the focal ingredient for the development of a nation.

The communiqué reads thus:

“It is no longer debatable that our country Nigeria has been brought to her knees, and is tottering on the brink of collapse.

In no more than the life of a generation, our nation and people are witnessing the catastrophic failure of governance and the near collapse of virtually all our national institutions; such that we have now become the country with the largest concentration of poor people in the world.

The ties that bind us together are today under such enormous pressures, that we can say, without any doubt, that never in our history have we been confronted by such a scale and scope of existential crises.

We are very clear in our minds and share the collective conviction, that our present woes, in their history, is as a result of collective failure of leadership by those who have been in the leadership of our country for decades, and the establishment that have institutionalised support in their self-interest and visionless leadership.

We share the grievance and anger of our people, as well as their yearnings and aspirations for a new Nigeria different from the one bequeathed on us by our leaders from independence in 1960 till date 31st July, 2018.

We are categorical about those who should accept responsibility for our failures as a nation 1960-2018; and as visionary presidential aspirants coming together under PACT, we are united in our convictions, that our national rebirth can be achieved through collective engagements to install a new political order in 2019 by taking up leadership responsibilities in the overall common good.

We are conscious of the fact that, the ploy, by the establishment form new coalitions with the antics of defection from party to party, is a ploy calculated at ensuring that power does not slip out off their hands.

We denounce such coalition and defection forming-pranks and antics as calculated attempts to deceive the mass of our people.

We call on the mass of our people, who are victims of their misrule, not to allow them to be deceived again.

This is why those of us who represent a new crop and paradigm shift in leadership, and embodiment of a new vision have agreed to come together and work for the realization a greater Nigeria for the actualization of our full potentials in human and materials resources.

Suffice it to say that, those of us who have indicated interest with our aspirations to lead our country avowed to engage a radical transformational developmental process by way of this resolution reached today Tuesday, 31st of July 2018 as we deliberate on the challenges of our country, with a commitment and resolve to begin the process of taking collective ownership of this renaissance struggle aimed at national rebirth in rebuilding the nation.

OUR RESOLVE AND DECISIONS

In the light of the foregoing and as a response to the collective yearnings and aspirations of our people; we have resolved as follows:

1: Recognising that at the core of our existential challenges as a people and nation is the failure of leadership;

2: we affirm, that as the new face of visionary leadership for our country, we are collectively stepping into the fray, to fill the leadership vacuum, and offer leadership at this momentous juncture in our history;

3: We affirm that collectively, we are committed to the process of building a United Front to mobilize our people to lead the change we desire during the 2019 general elections;

4: We understand that Unity is a process, and not an event, and as such, we undertake to effect necessary steps towards consolidating on the process of building a united front based on shared vision and ideas;

5: Towards this end, we are in agreement that internal party processes towards producing eventual party candidates and flag bearers should be allowed to reach its logical conclusion;

6: Furthermore, we are committed to step up the process of building a united front once party candidates have emerged; and shall continually hold consultations among ourselves and broker conversations with our parties towards ensuring that we are able to present a United Front towards the 2019 general elections;

7: Finally, we know that the 2019 general elections will be a historically decisive one; we know that the conditions are ripening for an electoral process with outcome that can be revolutionarily transformative.

8: We embrace this process of the 2019 election as a revolution.

IN CONCLUSION:

Recognising the crises we face as a people, and understanding that the collective leadership failure of the current ruling establishment is responsible for this failure; we have stepped forward, to stand in the breach, and provide the new type of visionary leadership for our country;

Such new leadership, so sorely needed is the basic requirement for us to achieve national and human development and realise our full potential as a people and nation.

We affirm, that we are the embodiment of the new Nigeria, and of the process to achieve our national liberation as a country, social emancipation as a people, and societal rebirth and renewal.

We represent the future of our country, a future which begins now; and we know it.

We take collective ownership of that mission.

Our future is determined now !”

Source

HappyPagan:
Love you Josh but we just have to agree to disagree.

I have something I value. You have something you don't... You want Christ mind. I want my mind. I lack the required faith necessary to believe your tales. Maybe, one day, my eyes will close to reason and open to faith. Till then, your Jewish tale remains a mythical one.

frank317:
Long time bro... hope you are doing good

frank317: Better life is better life. some lives are better than others but there is always a room for comparison and measurement. all in all, it means some level of happiness and fulfillment. My point is that anyone can experience it be it a christian or not. Christians cannot claim monopoly of better life. believe in God does not give life any meaning, its just a mirage that people use to make themselves feel good. it just serves as motivation for depress people to move on but people also find such motivation in drug, alcohol and relationships. some have the inner strenght to motivate themselves, other need good company and love.. whatever rocks your both. but its dubious of christians to claim monopoly of better life, that self deceit and its dangerous.

frank317: No, I'd rather say you are dishonest if u as a theist claim ur life even better dimension than that of an atheist. we can continue going back and fourth but at the end of the day all we wil have are our words. but lets jump from words and look around us. there are more Christians around us that atheists... i am an atheist and i know my life is better than that of many christian even people who claim bornagain and live a 'holy' life. that alone tell me a lot.



The context of the meaning of life is what we make of is... you think urs is God(whatever that means) i think mine is achievement and happiness nd from what i make of it. at the end of the day its just what we chose to think, the result is usually the same

frank317: you are asking me where the context of relationship with others came from? are u for real? ever heard of no man is an island? people need people, u dont need any God to tell you this.

frank317: morality came from learning... its simple. if u slap me, i feel pain. I there for know how another will feel if they are slapped... therefore slapping another is bad. u can extend this simple example to any area of life. except mayb u need God to know that slapping another is painful.

frank317: my reasons for living are basically the same as urs. you want to maximize happiness and reduce pain and sadness. can u tell me what u are living for?

frank317: you think its easy calling ur so called almighty creator whose anger is flaming red a bluff? its takes a self confident and strong man to be an atheist.

Born2Freak:
Pardon my interruption but I would like to say that God is not necessary for one to have a better life.

Man has reached the moon without God
Bill Gates and other Western millionaires have contributed to many humanitarian solutions without God


You ask about the meaning of life. It is interesting to note that there was a thread pointing out how life is more meaningless with God. The thread argued that even in christianity, there are different versions of the same "God".

HappyPagan:
It has been examined a lot - it's the reason it has many sects. It takes the form of the examiner.


Oh, dear Josh. I agree with you @bold. But it does offer enough evidence to foster doubt, and one who doubts should be encouraged to, if the belief system is true. Darkness lies in mysteries, light reveals the hidden, doubt is the lantern in which reason burns.

HappyPagan: I do not seek to take your moinmoin. I've had my fair share. Like Eve, all I ask is will you try the apple in the tree of knowledge, your escape from Eden?

HappyPagan: I see no love in the unfortunate death of a Jewish carpenter. All I see is a man who claimed to be God murdered by his own people. I feel some empathy for the man - he didn't deserve a cross, but a sanitarium. He was only a victim of the times he lived in.

HappyPagan: The Cross is not a burden a black man should carry. Jesus never carried the burden of slavery. You did. Still do.

HappyPagan: This is crazy. God set up a planet, and made one rule - do not eat. Somehow, a fruit led to his Son's death, and millions of others through misunderstood doctrines.

yet you still trust his judgment? This guy has failed so many times, if he was real I'd be dead for calling..

HappyPagan: You are mad.

hopefulLandlord:
honestly your atheism must've been really weak for such a film to plant seed into your heart but I guess the movie did that to you cuz you're simply the type of "atheist" the movie was talking about...

HappyPagan:
My man, it's good to see you.


Go ahead. I only hope they aren't a waste of my time.


Aren't we all? Freedom is what all men crave, yet we remain trapped in a body that will go from young to old to decayed. You find freedom in the corpse of a slain Jew. That's what's crazy.


Those who accuse others of ANARCHY, are the same who have profited off it. Christianity's rise wasn't glorious like the resurrection; it rose on the wings of colonized cities, continents and people. It's the reason a black man calls himself Joseph the first.

HappyPagan: I can't fault your conclusion. I mean, without Jesus, your world crumbles. It's the only standard you know.

I dey chopchop moinmoin, any other food na nonsense.

HappyPagan: Do you know what Love is?

HappyPagan: Injustice to who? God? Was God a victim of injustice? What crime did man commit against God?

HappyPagan: Save your emotions for the pulpit. To believe a Jew beaten in Israel two centuries died ago is pure silliness.



Without faith, no man can believe this story.

HappyPagan:
Our people are so brainwashed by Christ, the only reason they love Trump is because he hates Muslims and homos... just like they do. As the Bible says they should.

The minds are caged by the ancient writings of Hebrew men wandering an Asian jungle. Take the Bible from them, and they have no other way to interpret the world around them.

HappyPagan: The Old Testament/New Testament is their only interpretation of the world... Ancient is old Testament, modern is new testament, God is as the Israelites said.

This is written for those who wish to renounce Jesus, those who need no Hebrew Savior, those who realize there is nothing to be saved from. Only Fear.

Fear is the foundation on which the Bible is built. For God so loved the world, that he gave his Son? Really? Wouldn't forgiveness have been a better option from a 'loving' God?

hopefulLandlord:
Yahweh is not dead is a stupid movie, calling it intellectually simulating is akin to calling Buhari fat

GIND is simply a Christian propaganda movie

Martinez19:


Ever heard a pastor say to his members "which report shall you believe? The doctor's report or God's report?" and the members respond "God's!" or the pastor say "... despite what the doctors say..." and the members keep nodding their heads, like agama lizards, in agreement as the pastors preach on. The irony is that these pastors don't applied this to themselves, even christians too. Why make a mockery of medical science in this manner to express the superiority of yahweh when you will still consult a doctor in the time of need? Some pastors even say that scientists know nothing and God is their master (master scientists) yet they make use of the results of these scientists justifying their hypocrisy with the nonsense of "science is yahweh's provision and medical science is yahweh's cure to man."

The problem is if you will still turn to doctors, then don't shame them and their craft. And for the intellectual failures that are going say "medical science is Yahweh's provision for illnesses", I put it to you that those words portray a God with a misplacement of priority or bad methodology given that he is perfect and all powerful. Why not heal diseases right away while allow your children to squander money on treatments, drugs, surgery and the likes? Why make medicine the sole provision given that medicine is limited but an all powerful god can cure all diseases? Do you know how many christians died from malaria before antimalarial drugs were invented? What was yahweh doing when these christians were perishing from malaria? Folding his arms?Today, any christian who has terminal cancer dies. So why a provision that is limited instead of your raw unlimited power which is available?

That's poor methodology. Christians should stop all these nonsense and admit that the bible supports healing by faith alone rather than try to cover it up with "medical science is God's provision". They should be clear on where they stand and stop being hypocritical and confusing people. Up science! Up doctors!

frank317:
Isnt this what we have been saying? Religion or no religion... believe in God or not does not make any ones life better. Thats the simple point we want to prove to ya all who go about lying to people that their life will be better if they start beliving... i am glad u are gradually learning sha

CatfishBilly:
A classic case of "Cognitive Dissonance" is preventing Spacetacular and Joshthefirst from answering this question .