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Evangelynn:
Some even argue that it starts from the 16th week,my stance isn't unpopular and I used the term 'technically' in that sense

Whether you believe life starts at conception is up to you.It doesn't change what is on ground I don't believe life starts at conception and whatever life that is is subject to the woman carrying the pregnancy to decide.

Did you open my link? From that research, your stance is actually incredibly unpopular among scientists, even among very pro-choice biologists.

But I'm only asking why you don't believe it starts at conception to understand your reasoning. Do you think it doesn't start at conception because that would make abortion ending human life and that feels uncomfortable for you?

JESHAL:
The issue is not the life
The issue is dehumanizing the foetus as intrinsically worthless on it's own based on the morality of it's mother even as a life form

that's what I'm asking @Evangelynn
I'm asking her if the foetus is human life and why she doesn't think it's so

@lalasticlala @seun any front page possibility? For crowd research purposes on the collective opinion of nairalanders

Like if you believe human life does not start at conception

Like if you believe human life starts at conception

When does human life begin?

Does human life begin at conception? Is that a developing human in the womb? This is currently a huge political issue in the United States,(that's why I brought it to the politics section) and I want to know what people here think and also have some arguments regarding what is widely regarded as the popular view by biologists:

That human life begins at conception


Culled from discussions on this thread:

[url=https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm%3Fabstract_id%3D3211703&ved=2ahUKEwik7v_fxqzzAhUNrhQKHT4yAbEQFnoECAYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1TrGttZryCROcFS5Rm2n8o]Source showing majority of scientists, including very pro-choice biologists, believe life starts at conception[/url][/quote]

Evangelynn:
Argue with the scientists a foetus isn't fully human and cannot technically have any rights that is the argument depending on the school of thought you belong to,some also argue if the foetus has same rights as the person carrying it.

Majority of scientists believe life starts at conception though. So the science supports me and rejects you.

Why do you have the unpopular stance that a foetus isn't fully human? What does it take to be fully human?

[url=https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm%3Fabstract_id%3D3211703&ved=2ahUKEwik7v_fxqzzAhUNrhQKHT4yAbEQFnoECAYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1TrGttZryCROcFS5Rm2n8o]Source showing majority of scientists, including very pro-choice biologists, believe life starts at conception[/url]

Evangelynn:
Lol abortion isn't murder and a foetus isn't a human being technically,children are born by parents who prepare and choose to have them so bye bye

How do you know a fetus is not a human being? Is it because it's still in the womb? Isn't s foetus a developing human? It's what we learned in school oh. Science

FutureIsFemale:
I don't support abortion but if I find out that the man is not willing to take up the responsibility, I would abort.

Better to abort than to bring irresponsible souls to the world.

Cases of robbery, raping and other social vices done are done by children whose dad rejected their pregnancy.

The issue is this: why don't we end same fatherless children after they are born? Convenience? We can still save ourselves a lot of heartache by ending them after they're out of the womb. And save ourselves some cowardice by looking in their faces as we end them. Abi? Or is ending them in the womb simply easier because you can't see or hear them yet?

Juliusmalema:
Evacuated?


Are Talibans now operating in Jos that evacuations are taking place there?


Plateau (Jos) remains a Muslim state and nothing can change that.

But What on earth is the rationale behind Jos people ambushing People travelling to ondo state and murdering them in cold blood?


Have we lost our conscience?

Have we no respect for human lives again..?

Jos is not a Muslim state. Get your facts. This kind of foolish talk is what inspires more violence

plaetton:
The foundational framework of the Christian belief is itself loaded with cascades of Bronze-Age Myths. They are flawed, contradictory and laden with fraud.

So, when thw author writes that Jesus died , was buried and then resurrected, he is definitely not stating a known and verifiable fact, but an age long myth, built on other cascades of myth, passed on in most cases through the sword and swaths of blood.

Now, building and clinging to a worldview constructed on Bronze-age myths, and pontificating thereof, is the grand folly of Most Africans in this 21st century.

The account of the life, death and resurrection of Jesus is very readily historically verifiable, by both secular and biblical sources.

Claiming otherwise is actually ignorant.

One reason the Christian worldview has remained so convincing is primarily the strength of its historical account.

Please what are some of the flaws and contradictions of this Christian belief?

Goshen360:
In cases of rapes and the likes.

bump.

What do you mean by "the likes"? Please expansiate

Most cases of abortion are for less than rape reasons though. Statistically. The 50 million babies killed from Roe v Wade were not 50 million rape babies

americanigga:
what of if the gay person does not believe in your God. Why do u want to impose what your God say on them

Why do they want to impose their unnatural beliefs on society?

Goshen360:
I'm both pro life and pro choice! It has to be reasonable where it is convincing

So in what situations are you pro choice?

Goshen360:
Emmanuela don blow ooo.... . LWKMD

Goshen are you pro-choice?

wiegraf:
Congrats man!!! Hope say u celebrate well well?

Though, I wouldn't trust my dead body with you ..

Well you shouldn’t trust anyone you don’t know eh. And thank you.

^^^^^
So much for ask you anything.

Bring your knowledge of optimistic nihilism here now, let’s see if it withstands logic and good reasoning, or if it is as foolish as atheism is.

whitelotus:
You clearly stated that you dont care for national issues anymore, in response to Africans workington make things happen.

And I meant that I no longer think that being solely nationalistic and patriotic will help to do much good or cure the ills of this world

whitelotus:
Read about optimistic nihilism and cure your ignorance.

Optimistic nihilism is senseless. Your position has a fundamental problem(many actually). Subscribing to meaninglessness makes every argument and championing of logic over emotions and rationality and the scientific method over blind faith foolish and senseless, as both rationality and blind faith would equally be meaningless. But this is only the beginning of your problems.

If life is meaningless, Is your conclusion that life is meaningless also a meaningless conclusion? Or is it meaningful, with you miraculously exempting your high and mighty conscious existence from the other things out there?

If life is meaningless, how come you know it? Eh?

And more and more and more. Nihilism is an illogical position that collapses upon itself. But maybe this too is meaningless eh?

whitelotus:
Are you some kind of religious fatalist or a Jehovah's witness that doesnt care about the national government.

Your mindset is a very dangerous one. Your bible tells you to give unto ceasar what is ceasar's. Something about your civic duty. Yet, you are here saying that you only care about God's kingdom to be advanced. How does one enter heaven? Didnt Jesus say that one should love his neighbour?

Wow, I can't believe that I'm preaching to a christian. Me, an atheist. This is how backwards many christians have become.....damn

Oga you don’t have sense oh. Where did you see that I don’t care about the national government! You don’t even understand what I mean, you’ll just make up nonsense in your head and start jumping up and down. Toh. Well done.

kimco:
Think about it bro. Your hope is your god now. Yet your god is taking just as much time as africans are taking to bond and make things happen.

Seems to me your god is taking a long time to make things happen. No difference between waiting for your god and trying to make things happen...atleast from ur house.

God doesn’t work with your timetable. He is God. It is senseless to think he will choose to work based on your whims to please you.

And my definition of “make things happen” is very different from yours. Entirely. God is already making things happen. I used to be nationalistic in thinking, now I just want His Kingdom to be advanced, whether it results in transformation or persecution or both in varying degrees. I don’t expect you to understand my meaning though.

whitelotus:
As usual, you fail to understand and then, blame me for your lack of understanding. I gave a simple analogy to explain how in a wider sense, something can be meaningless but we humans can attach meaning and purpose to that thing.

You dismissed the analogy without any sensible objections. This is not fair.

Another analogy- A paradox of meaning/scale- a "heap of sand" is just sand clustered together. Now, at what point does that heap turn to a "sprinkling of sand" if we remove from the heap, grain by grain?

The paradox is to show how meanings of things change at different scales and that the line drawn between them is arbitrary (ergo meaningless)

This is just like how on the grand scale of things, life is meaningless and paradoxical. We are born to die. Every day we live is another day we get closer to death. Every day we live, we also die. Should the sun explode, the earth will be decimated and all our human inventions or logic will be for nothing- just gone.

However, individually, we can choose to make meaning of what has no meaning. Writing on a blank slate.

I don’t fail to understand anything. It is either life actually has meaning, or it doesn’t. Since you believe life doesn’t have meaning, then any attempt at infusing any meaning to it is futile, a futile and meaningless attempt from a meaningless life, yes? Your analogy is also meaningless, eventually forgotten, empty and empty wind, as our reality is? Abi is that not what you believe. See, you cannot eat your cake and have it. You cannot claim life is meaningless and meaningful at the same time.

whitelotus: Christianity (religion) is dying in all developed countries. America, UK, Europe, Singapore, Japan etc. Pick any top 10 countries and you will see that they are increasingly secular.

I also repeat that most Jews arent christians and most Jews do not believe in Jesus. That is a fact. Jesus failed his own people. His death was meaningless. He came for the lost sheep of isreal. The sheep are still lost.

I saw your red bird and killed it. We cannot bring it back to life.

whitelotus: I will point you to my first paragraph. Address the points and the analogy. Dont get into your soapbox and dramatise your disdain of my beliefs or lack thereof.

Does it really matter then? Is logic and rationality and science not meaningless and purposeless? Does death not laugh in the face of any true happiness? You see, you aren’t being honest with your beliefs. Life should be empty for you, as meaningless as death.

odinson1:
By trying to add meaning and purpose to my existence...i dont need any God for that

Choi!

odinson1:
Atheism is simply absence of Belief in a diety,it is not a philosophy or religion

As an atheist, how do you make sense of a meaningless and purposeless existence?

Maximus69:
So if you're truthful with the bolded, then what are you doing here in the first place?

Help me ask the guy oh.

whitelotus:
Life is intrinsically meaningless. We are but a speck of dust compared to the total size of the universe. We live only to die. Every day we live is an other day closer to death. An asteroid could land on the earth and blow all of us to smithereens tomorrow.


Life lacks meaning. This does not mean that we cannot give our lives meaning. For example, there is a stone in my field- it is useless but i can choose to make it useful- I can choose to use it as a grinding stone or a weapon.

Think of life as a blank slate or chalkboard. It has no words or drawings on it. No meaning. It is our choice to either write on it or leave it blank.

How do you acknowledge the meaninglessness of a speck of dust such as your life is and then go ahead and say that you, in your meaningless existence, can give your short and meaningless life some meaning? You even go ahead and give a meaningless analogy. This is quite senseless. But more to come...

whitelotus: =======================================

If you want to know how meaningless life is, just look at your Jesus. He really died for nothing. His torment at the cross did not even yield him followers among the Jews- his own people. Most Jews are not christian. Furthermore, almost 70% of people in the world are not christians. His message did not even move close to half of the world. And the numbers of christians are dwindling. Not only that, christianity has been so perverted today, that many even ask if Christians are truly like Christ.

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Jesus didn’t die for nothing, his torment has won him followers in the billions since his cross, there are currently about 500,000 messianic Jews with more to come, and you lie, Christianity is actually increasing in the world today. But this is a red herring, a bird
Could it be that faced with the unfortunate meaningless of your life and the fact that you can actually and logically do nothing to add any meaning to it, you try to distract the question and attack my religion? Is this what atheism and humanism is? A purported meaningless existence, the best its representatives can offer being to attack questioners who ask them the honest question of their foolish position? I wonder.

whitelotus: As an atheist and a humanist, I try to enjoy my life and make this world a better place because it is the only life I will have with my consciousness. I alone give my life the meaning or purpose that I want it to have.

And this is the sum total of the foolishness of atheism folks:

A self proclaimed meaningless entity goes on to foolishly proclaim that he, in his meaningless existence, can infuse his meaningless life with meaning. From where please

And here is more, If this meaningless entity screams and believes that all life is meaningless, then what is the point of holding on to “logic” and “rationality” and “science”? And seemingly upholding them against religion? What is the point of seeking to explain anything of your meaningless views? Or struggling to share this meaningless and unfortunate way of life to others? If one truly believes we are all in the same meaningless blue mass?

As an atheist, how do you make sense of a meaningless and purposeless existence?

HappyPagan:
Amen Bro.. stay safe man. We still haven't met in real life. So stay alive.. God told me I'd be your best man

Amen.

kimco:
You clearly missed the whole point of my post...you only saw my metaphors as literals and went straight back into ur spiritual world again.

Someone must start somewhere. Its funny you say im indulging in wishful thinking.

Well if you will not try to bond with your brother to make a better nation then so be it. Hopefully there are others who are will to start things.

Good luck in your fantasy world of spiritual haven

Its clear you didn’t see my joke. Lol.
I’m not saying I’m against a better nation, I’m just warning you beforehand that simple human tactics will not work. I was like you once. Only God is my hope now. A sure hope. Good luck anyway in your child-worshipping nation building endeavors

kimco:
This way of thinking is why we as a people have become docile and take all the beatings we get.
Its ironic that you mean to disagree with op's post while openly demonstrating his points.
When we turn here the rain beats us, when we turn here the sun beats us, yet some of us sit on the fence and jux stare... Hoping that a good samaritan is building a better tomorrow elsewhere for us. Meanwhile a strong umbrella, this single entity can solve both issues in a single swoop. And its not like we dont have the blueprint to build one. We jux feel better fantasizing over the better tomorrow elsewhere.

Please i would like you to take a critical look at things..you dnt need to abandon your religion but be liberal in your reasoning. You seem smart enough to do so.

Oga it’s like you don’t live in Nigeria oh. Your so called liberal reasoning will get you nowhere. Nigeria’s problem is a deeply human problem. Corrupt men live above the law and lead very poorly and pervert justice. No amount of wishful thinking and worshipping of your children will miraculously change our situation. Our only change will be divine intervention through a change of hearts.

We are humanly hopeless, our only hope is God. And He will do what He purposes to do, as I’ve said earlier.

HappyPagan:
Congrats Doctor. Hope you ain't on the corona roster.

Thank you! Corona won’t stop me, God-willing.

whitelotus:
Where are you, Josh?

I’m still here. Mars man?