₦airaland Forum

sakaguchi: The issue of a consultant has being overflogged isn't it? What will a consultant nurse do? What the hell is a consultant pharmacist? The doctors who are consultants specialise in a particular field of medicine and specialize holistically in it. Consultant urologist, consultant cardiologist, consultant nephrologist is more like it.
The difference between a consultant pharmacist and a pharmacist is clearly non-existent.
Even a novice like me knows that there must be a difference between a doctor (medical officer) and a cardiologist.

Please! I think government should call JOHESU, NMA to a round table. NMA need to shelf that ego that it can't sit together with JOHESU as it as become apparent that they are relevant stake holders.

The truth is, no matter what NMA or JOHESU says, this whole brouhaha is all politics. Nigerian doctors are underpaid even if we all hate their greed. Same thing too with nurses. To maintain parity, relativity must be enshrined. This is what I think is more important. Government should make that sit of CMD less attractive. For instance, let anybody who is a CMD will have no improve package whatsoever. If you are a doctor before being appointed CMD , your pay package will remain the same. Then anybody whatsoever can vie for CMD as I seriously think that post of CMD is not the sole right of doctors. They should all strife for improve pay package and the doctors must earn higher than the nurses and pharmacists as this is how it is universally. Pharmacists earn lots of money outside the hospital. Inside the hospital, their remuneration must be lower than doctors own. Then FG should make JOHESU illegal. How can all unions in a setting gang up to face just one.

Patients are dying because of needless politics.
This to me is a patient's perspective.

adeoladrg: NMA has confused the public with this 'own the patient' talk. TF? Who cares?

Been a consultant pharmacist doesn't mean I want to own the patient!!! It just means I want to undergo residency in a particular field say endocrinology just like my colleagues all over the world to have a robust knowledge on drug optimization.

I don't care if you own the patient [/b]or not! So far I can't make my impact felt in the patients drug profile, make sure there's no drug interaction, no side effect, no overdosage or underdosage and the myriads of adverse effects associated with polypharmacy.

[b]Own the patients! Who cares!!!

Moreover, you've own the patients over the years! What do you have to show? Wrong diagnosis, wrong prescription, unnecessary surgery, at all iatrogenic issues. Doctors abroad know the value of other health professionals undergoing residency, that's why we keep running there for treatment. Own the gullible patients!!!

This is a doctor's perspective jor!!!

I'd be waiting for the day the patients would form an association, sue the doctors, sue the pharmacists, sue the nurses, sue the med lab scientists, sue everybody in healthcare. That day and only on that day would salvation visit the health of Nigerians.

You want to be a consultant but you don't want to own the patient, bros I disagree completely with you, we don't need more bureaucracies in our health sector.

malbruno: my dear, u have Said it all, just an addition d consultants are meant to specialize in a particular area of study like consultant gyenocologist, consultant urologist etc. Their role differ, so it will be for Consultant chem pathologist, consultant haematologist consultant pharmacist when they have got the requisit qualification. How is it affecting other consultants who shld face their own specialty. what kind egocentric set of human beings

In OAU, all health sciences and pharmacy pay d same sch fees. am not sure of others. so if d sch fees for medical students is higher dan others in ur sch, dt's ur own cup of tea. U shud av come to OAU if u fink others paying less dan u is a problem
Again and again, not all health professional wan to study medicine, and dont say all other health profesional fail out of medical sch, in OAU wen u fail out of medical sch u cant go to other all health science.

Once again, patient view? patient view indeed. u dont talk abt dia demand of apointin surgeon general yet dz A d pple dt dont want other to b apoint as consultant.

100,000 for health hazard alowance, A u d only one dt av contact wth d patient? wat abt nurses and medical lab scientist dt mostly do d dirty work, wat abt dia special plate no? dey wil son ask for special road so dt dia wont b odd up, in case of emergency. Wat u said u dont want for others u A claiming it for yrself. SMH.

D point is NMA is loosing it dignity and valu gradually, u A in stike for almost 2 wks and u still cant achieve anytin, dey tink wen dey stike for even 2 days FG wil come to dem begging. Wen u pple A tire u will go back to work.
GREEDINESS at it peak

prettyprettywow: Another Dr weeping thread. Pele. opening new threads every now and then will not solve the problem at hand

kalamayat: The blame is always on Nigeria.

drered: LOL. This is supposed to be a patients opinion? Bleh!

The title “Consultant” in a hospital setting describes the relationship between the Specialist Medical Doctor and his patient. It will be a source of confusion if the title is applied to any other health worker who statutorily does not own patient. NMA therefore declares with unmitigated emphasis that if “non-doctor consultants” are appointed, it will lead to chaos and anarchy in the health sector. This should not happen.

Permit me to reproduce a conversation I had in a radio phone programme where a theater nurse was a guest in the said programme:


me: Why don't you want to expand your curriculum so that as an experienced Theater nurse you will have the opportunity of being a surgeon?

Nurse: We are not allowed to do that

Me: who are the "we"?

Nurse: Our various Unions and other medical regulatory bodies.

Me: Those unions are supposed to be protecting your interest just like the NMA is protecting the Doctors, why will such a Union impede your academic growth and professionalism?

Nurse: That is left for the nursing guild to answer

Me: how many times have nurses gone on strike this year be it warning or indefinite?

Nurse: once or twice im not sure

me: what were their demands?

Nurse: better work package etc

Me: and you guys forgot the most important thing that would develop your career to be apar with doctors and other health care professionals,
which will help the patient in various ways, eg is when a surgeon/theater nurse is in the clinic and an emergency case comes in, don't you think that the theater nurse/surgeon can save that life in the absence of the doctor?

Nurse: We have to attend to other callers.

Relativity in health sector is sacrosanct. The NMA hereby demands for immediate implementation of the January 3rd, 2014 circular. The NMA also demands the immediate payment of the arrears of the corrected relativity for 22 years during which her members were short changed.

The position of Chief Medical Director/Medical Director must continue to be occupied by a Medical Doctor as contained in the Act establishing the tertiary Hospitals. This position remains sacrosanct and untouchable.

Hearme: St Gerald Hospital is run by an administrator. Its a big hospital in Kaduna in which many consultants and other health professionals do work. We only have a weak law here in Nigeria. That an issue has been legitimate for a thousand years does not make it right. We as individuals must embrace change. What I expect the NMA to do is not to begin to antagonize but as intellectuals think well to fight a good cause for their members. E.g Technologist in the universities fought for an upgrade of their Hazard allowance they got it, but a science lecturer who is involved in the practicals and research does not earn that hazard allowance because his union did not fight for that thus all lectures irrespective of the position earn 4K as hazard per annum which is equivalent to about 333.33 naira montly. NMA should think deep and act like the senior union rather than arguing and quarrelling. Remember ASUU fought during the strike but what was released was for all unions even though it was only the salaries of ASUU members that were stopped.

I strongly disagree with you that we should leave Canada, US, UK out of it. Why should we? Why should other health professionals be able to become consultants in other countries but in Nigeria it must not be so because of the insecurities or fear of doctors.

What should be done I say again is to address those fear and securities. You can't say no no no... this must never be.

The way I see it, doctors are trying to be in Nigeria what their counterpart are not in other countries.

How come the consultants of other countries have not taken over patient care over from the doctors? Whatever is that reason. it should be replicated here.

But I know you're are not interested in any of this. Let me tell you. The world is changing. Repression will always give way to the pressure of change.

Okay, now I see clearly where you are driving at, now let us dissect the first paragraph of your comment, hitherto, the consultant Doctors own the patient, now you want to be a consultant nurse but you don't want to own the patient, does it sound right to you? Is this not one of the reasons Suarez bite people?

A teaching hospital I know Pays a consultant doctor about 750k monthly excluding other perks for owning the patient, now you a nurse who want to be a consultant will tomorrow hold the Govt by the jugular demanding the same amount (after all, you are all consultants) meanwhile, the consultant nurse cannot even own a patient, why do we need those unproductive bureaucracies in our health care delivery? the ones done by the politicians isn't that enough?
where is the wisdom in this plan of yours?

For how long do you think doctors can prevent other health professionals from becoming consultants. If there are becoming consultants in other parts of the world, then eventually, doctors will not be able to stop it from happening in Nigeria. Try and learn something from history. It's just a matter of time.

The earlier doctors comes to terms with this the better.

nerodenero: As usual,the poor will be infected and deaths inevitable while the rich in government that made the people poor will survive because they live in luxury.This is pure injustice.That time shall come when the poor would be pushed to the wall and the only option will be to consume the rich.

Ewuro1: Getting through to a partner who doesn't listen is frustrating, difficult, and likely to seem like an exercise in futility once you get exasperated enough. It's not necessarily that your partner doesn't want to listen to you; he or she may simply lack active listening skills. Sometimes, of course, there are deeper issues at fault. Every relationship is different, so you'll have to consider why your spouse, boyfriend, or girlfriend isn't listening to you. Whatever the case, getting through to a partner who doesn't listen isn't impossible – it just requires some dedication and patience.

CONSIDER YOUR DELIVERY

How do you talk to your partner? Do you stage a frustrated ambush at the end of the day? Start complaining about something days after it happened, after it's had time to build up and blow up? If you want to start getting through to a partner who doesn't listen, you have to think about the way you approach the situation. Every person is different, and your partner may do better with a different delivery method. Think, too, about how you like to be spoken to, and try to approach your partner the same way.

hydeka: I just like the pharmacists. Their fate is not tied to the hospital. Why struggle with doctors in the hospital all your life when you can open your own community pharmacy, do drug imports or work in a pharm. company/industry? If the doctors don't want you guys there, simply walk out of the cage. You have better opportunities outside the hospital.

Opiosko: I have time to engage you now.... quote me after the game. Mikel will score and.....

PhenomenonVFX: See mumu talk. Like atlwireles just pointed out, ur head should be sacrificed to the river spirits that is causing flood in Ibadan. It is a worthless stone u are using for a head.
U opened ur rotten mouth and 20+ years of foolishness rushed out like water. Now u are standing and looking like a dead mugu because u cant take back the nonsense u just said. SMH4U. Senseless people forming intelligence.

atlwireles: American intelligence reports also told the world there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The end result is playing out on your TV screen today. They also said boko haram was caused by poverty, a juvenile like you probably subscribes to that rubbish. Now ask yourself, between you and the OP, who is a FOOL. Your attempts to pour, your puerile diatribe fell flat. Some of you need, to have your heads donated to the gods.

OrlandoOwoh: This is no news, Ibrahim Babangida, as Major and GOC of the 25 Battalion during the war, was shot in the leg on 4 April 1969 near Uzuakoli. He was replaced with Maj. Mamman Vatsa.

ooduapathfinder: Can someone kindly enlighten me on James Cameron's Tribe, abeg!!


James Cameron's tribe is ENGLISH; formerly known as Anglo-Saxons; formerly known as Angles.

Djtm: Haha. Same goes for you

you have some good points there marred by your inappropriate choice of words.

eby001: just take it easy, my phone(techno hd11) can't allow more than 512characters. so i have to let out my opinion in that short space. just a phrase to qualify you - KEYBOARD WARRIOR

eby001: dat d situatn now,i'm a dental student and u know gloryland is not meant 4 us.when in pt4 most of my classmate have to scoot.now i'm in pt 5,we are left to decide our fate interms of accommodatn.ATM,d pt6 has not been sortd how can pt 5 complain? not to forget,we nw have to sort hw to shuttle btw college and OAUTHC ourslf

Doctors are not saying others should not be consultants? Are u sure about that? From all we've been hearing it does seems so.

Then I refuse to believe that nurses, pharmacists etc. are dragging superiority in patient care with doctors.

Then I've said before, medical practice didn't start in Nigeria; do other health professionals in US, UK, Canada become consultants? It seems they do.

If so, why should it be a taboo in Nigeria. I understand in Nigeria, we always like to abuse the system, therefore rules, regulations, and stringent requirement only need to be put into place so that there won't be abuse or any health professional overstepping his/her bounds.

But to put a blanket no no no on any other health professional apart from doctors becoming consultant doesn't seem right.

With the right rules, regulations and requirements put in place, it means not every dick & harry will become consultants. Among these other health professionals, we will have people that are geniuses amongst them. They should be able to aspire to the peak of their careers, making use of the benefits that comes from being recognized as a consultant in your field.

Hearme: 90% of doctors are arrogant. You know only the surface of Biochemistry and physiology. I challenge you to a debate on this. If a PhD holder starts at level 10 equivalent in the university, no honors degree should be granted a level 12 equivalent. Anyway I don't so much blame the doctors, I blame the lawmakers who have spent 15 good years in this dispensation of democracy doing nothing, yet collecting all. If our labour laws and salaries and wages commission do function well there will be less crisis in the system. Only that none of them are seeing, yet they have committees overseeing everything in this country. Its a shame that the ASUP strike is still on and the ASUU issues are still been toyed with. Labour issues might never end unless the political appointees begins to think straight. I'm still baffled that a 8 years serving governor who solicited for your vote to lead is entitled to a live pension while workers who worked for 35years are told to do contributory pension scheme. Why can't the president and governors do contributory pension from their official salary? Why should they enjoy free medical health after stealing much from us? Its really a pain that there is no fairness or even a slight equity in our nation. This challenges will continue unless a thinking government sees to it. I'm not sure confab is dealing with labour issues appropriately at all. PLEASE VOTE WISELY IN 2015.

Obi411: This is pure emotional blackmail. Too bad that it is coming from one whom lives are entrusted to. What do you make of soldiers whose duty is to protect the very lives [which you have betrayed now] with their own lives? How many of them have died in the quest? And their bodies are still counting. Yet they are never spoken of, maybe because they never spent 6, or so, years in the university. Or perhaps, they do not pride in the glory of this great responsibility that has been laid on them, as you do now. Understand this: the greatest people on earth are never heard of. Lest you boast in vain glorification of a privilege given to you. Are medical doctors gods? No, they simply are tools in the hand of the Creator. Let them go back to work, knowing fully well that their calling is a service to humanity, which can never be fully requited here on earth. But wait: even a medical doctor earns more than a soldier!

Djtm: They are just pissing me off!!! Wtf? Our government is a very useless one for this sort of crap to be going on! What's their own concern about how much other specialists are paid? As long as you're paid what you're worth, you shouldn't care about what others earn. If a programmer has worked for a certain number of years, has so much experience under his belt, he has the right to become a consultant programmer. IMO, doctors are overhyped in Nigeria. Well, our leaders do not give a sh1t, so people can continue to die as long as they can afford to go abroad once they have a slight headache.

HARDUBUY: Its the fact. Israel has been confuscating and stealing lands that belong to the people of palestine. They've been occupying Gaza forcefully and illegally, even UN has confirmed it. pls stop the fallacy.

Buoyantic: And America will keep silent as usual

barcanista: Igbos keep re-canting Asari statement but forget that HIS views on Biafra has always been his views and NOT Ijaw views...because of his maternal Igbo link.
His granny had to be kicked out of the Kalabari throne, his family NEVER benefited from the properties declared abandoned because they "WORKED" against the Ijaw Interest! His own relatives moved against his family and it was clear in his STATEMENT that Ijaws fought against the Igbos during the War. That Asari is allowed to Speak today is because we see all Ijaw blood as brothers and ijaws are very forgiving but not forgetting. I can vouch that no member of Asari lineage can assume the Royalty stool in Kalabari Kingdom. His views, history and position on Igbo does not represent Ijaw nation... Neither IYC nor INC shares his view.

Asari nor his Father thru his grandfather has never been the voice of the Ijaw nation NOR any member of his immediate family

Aksonman: Two months ago over 250 Chibok girls sheepishly followed their abductors into bondage.

Now we are hearing news that 45 Chibok women that had just escaped Boko Haram's captivity have been recaptured?

Something is not right with Chibok.

There's a major scam going on in that town called Chibok.

How come we are just hearing about recapture of these escapees barely hours after news emerged that the Nigerian military routed a major Boko Haram base,killing 44 and arresting two foregn mercenaries?

Is this a media propaganda to swiftly discredit and dillute Nigerian Army's recent successes?

Asari Dokubo may be right afterall!!!