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PoliticsRe: REFERENDUM - THE ONLY SOLUTION FOR NIGERIA! by Justcash(m): 12:03pm On Jun 20, 2010
PROJECT:
u guys talk toooooooooooooo much.thats why this country is the way it is , i have read some very good point been made,then my question is with so much ideas why have we not seen a movement yet,


Because the moment you start the movement you'll discover halfway that your worst enemies are your surpposed neighbors (cowards) that were urging you to go ahead in the movement. Put simply, your partners in the movement will suddenly be the ones that will brand you a "Hooligan" and throw the last stone that will send you to the great beyond. It is in our history. check it.  undecided grin grin grin undecided
PoliticsRe: Where Are The Igbos In This Rotational Presidency Jargons. by Justcash(m): 6:33am On Jun 20, 2010
mens dept:
Nonsense, how can Ohaneze be more powerful than the Government.

They cant even be compared to serious groups like Arewa and Afenifere.

Who even does what they say? How many students in Universities in the East know who the officers of Ohaneze are? You'll be surprised that many of them are tuning into African Magic Yoruba station as we speak.

Igbo people arent the President, nor the Vice, nor Senate President, nor Speaker, nor Secretary to The Federation, but party chairman, and as we have seen with the 500 senate presidents we produced under OBJ, already have a second Chairman and counting, whereas the other positions (minus Pres) are the same.

Someone said that Igbo people are cowards, no, they simply are interested in other things other than group solidarity and fighting collectively for anything. No international airport in their place, no world class city in their zone, no major university or tourist attraction in their zone. And like other groups, they for the most part, have been NIGERIANIZED
[b]You are indeed a waste of space. Ohaneze is the Arewa CF and Afenifere of the Igbos. Our leaders respect and listen to them more than the government. In terms of political relevance, after the socio-cultural groups comes the political parties even before the government. The government in Nigeria is very irrelevant without their surpport. Going by your assertion, Afenifere is also not powerful! You are a slowpoke! Is it? Dint you learn anything about the political structure of the socio-cultural entities that make up Nigeria? Don't you know that Igbos are more decentralised than the Yorubas and hausas? Does that not tell you that Igbos are less despotic and structured in their Political system and views? Does being decentralised mean being irrelevant? Don't worry, your belief will make people like you to test the collective resolve of Igbos, then you will have no choice but to believe that an organisation like Ohaneze ndi' Igbo is influential to Igbos despite our differences in view. Go and do your research well.

Out of everything you read, that was the one that you understood? You are a typical example of what I am talking about. A pretentious tribalist!

Does an Igbo have to be the president, the Vice, or Senate President, or Speaker, or Secretary to The Federation for Nigeria to develop?  With what you said above, do you think you are being Nigerian or your tribes man?  You are indeed a nonentity! It is people like you that kills my urge of trying to be a non-tribalistic Nigerian. How can I be a Non-tribalist with you mocking my own people at every opportunity you have.

Igbos Nigerianized? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! grin grin grin grin grin You made me to laugh in TIV. You know nothing with your dysfunctional brain.

Anyway, Igbos don't care anymore. We'll dance along with the "Farce" of a country until it is no more.  grin grin grin[/b]
PoliticsRe: Where Are The Igbos In This Rotational Presidency Jargons. by Justcash(m): 4:11am On Jun 20, 2010
[b]Nigeria can never be one! It should better be called the united nations of Nigeria. Different governments exists at the level of every ethnic entity.

Arewa CF, Afenifere, Ohaneze ndi Igbo, Ijaw national congress etc are more powerful than the Nigerian government. It is what they say that politicians do.

I have never seen a group of people that deceive themselves as much as Nigerians. The fact is that the word "NIGERIAN" only exists and perishes on the lips and imaginations of the people that make up Nigeria. In truth, there is no one that is practically a Nigerian. If you think that I am saying bullshit, ask yourself if you can sacrifice your life for other Nigerians to live? Try to imagine what you would do if you were in a position to commit suicide in order to ensure that Nigerians from other ethnic groups survive from a catastrophe from which your own ethnic group is already safe from. It is virtually impossible. Even our Soldiers that go to ECOMOG missions in other countries do so for money ($), Fear of refusing to go and experience, not to make Nigerians proud. They too are ethnic Champions! In Jos, some hausa soldiers stood (beside their Amour tanks) and watched as Beroms were slaughtered in the Jos reprisal, because they wanted a retaliation too due to the beroms attack on the hausas earlier. What does that show?

If we must be Nigerians, We should be Nigerians. Not Yoruba, Igbo or hausa etc! We should have presidents because they are capable and qualified Nigerians, not because they are from an ethnic group! There should be no Zoning policy for God's sake! We should do away with "Federal character" system, because every Nigerian has an area of strategic competence, including cattle rearing Hausas. Nigerians should be able to exist in any part of Nigeria without their presence being questioned. It baffles me to hear some Nigerians from the Yoruba ethnic group questioning why there are too many IGBOS in Lagos state! For God's sake, Lagos state is in Nigeria and not in Dubai! And Igbos are Nigerians. What about the Beroms questioning the presence of the Hausas?

Many factors point towards the fact that we cannot exist as one in Nigeria. We all are aware of that. Even the biggest protagonist of "One Nigeria" can attest to that, if he/she wants to be honest. Nigeria is in a union because some part of the country has an unquenchable thirst for the abundance of resources in other parts, some part of the union are too scared to come out plain to talk, some part of the union has a misplaced priority and are blinded by their resources and some parts has been subdued and seem not to care about what happens anymore.

Let us tell ourselves the truth. As at yesterday, an ethnic Organisation and group was fuming about taking up the presidency in 2011, when infact they seem to have dormant governors and individuals with questionable leadership histories. Do you think if Nigeria was one, someone like IBB would have the guts to come out to contest?

The way Nnamdi Azikiwe perceived Nigeria was the way Nigeria should be. A Yoruba man should be able to contest and treated equitably in Igboland. An Igbo man should be able to contest and treated equitably in Hausa land. An Hausa man should be able to contest and treated equitably in Yoruba land. Even at the level of SUG presidency, this lack of unity is very much alive.

If Nigerians are really Nigerians, people like the governors of Lagos state, Rivers state and Enugu state should be the top contenders for the presidency in 2011. Even Jonathan should not be a contender, because he did not prove himself as a governor and vice president (People want him to contest just because he is fair enough in performance than his late predecessor, and he is from Niger/delta, an area that feels cheated) He cannot be compared to Fashola, Amaechi and Chime in both administrative planning and execution.
It should not come as a surprise If the North prevails, and an Old "Soldier" becomes the president, thereby taking us further backwards.  undecided[/b]
PoliticsFederal Character: A Curse To Nigeria by Justcash(op): 6:53pm On Jun 17, 2010
Nigeria is in the position that she is today because of the stringent adherence to federal character principle.

Definition:
According to Ladipo Adamolekun, John Erero and Basil Oshionebo in the Journal of Federalism 1991 21(4):75-88;

[b]The "federal character" principle, which has been enshrined in Nigeria's Constitution since 1979, seeks to ensure that appointments to public service institutions fairly reflect the linguistic, ethnic, religious, and geographic diversity of the country


[b]The definition clearly stated that "Federal character" is a tool for ensuring fairness in public service over professionalism and goal attainment.

Problem:
Is Federal character the solution to the problems that we are facing in this country?

My thought:
I believe that Professionalism and goal attainment ability should be considered above federal character.

In Nigeria, Federal character has become more of a curse than a blessing. The total systemic collapse in Nigeria's socio-economic and political environment can be attributed to the Federal character practise.
Our political system is in shambles because professionals and experienced individuals are over-looked due to the fact that they are more in one part of the country than the order. The imbalance in the literacy rate between the South and the north of Nigeria has made it impossible to have qualified people in sensitive government positions. For example, the North would rather let an Arabic "Alamijiri" teacher from the north to be the minister of education, than to allow a southerner to play the role, all because of the a perceived need for a proper representation.
Parties now adopt the principle as a means of gaining credibility. PDP had to resort to a zoning arrangement for their political positions in order to reflect a federal character, and win credibility among the ethnic groups in Nigeria. We all know the result. Thay have produced inefficient and ineffective leaders, who would never have been able to compete with other potential pro-developmental leaders in the country.

Umar Musa Yar'adua is an example. We all know his story. It simply shows that "Federal character" does not bring about development.

The worst thing is that Nigeria practices this "Federal character" in every sphere of the country, including sports. This is sad because the more we do that, the more we ignore the more qualified and effective Nigerians, for less efficient and non-result oriented people. Look at our National soccer team, it is the federal character idea that has kept us where we are now.

Proposition:

If We must stay as one nation, then we must exist without a consideration of the dividing factors of our Nation. If we are Nigerians, then We should be Nigerians. Religion, sex, tribe, language etc must not matter atall.
We need to harness the abundant potentials in this country by not pretending to be one. We must know and believe that we are one.
There is an urgent need to use more of professionals and result oriented Nigerians to carry out national tasks, than to use unprogressive people due to this "Federal character " issue.
If Tunde Fashola is the best leader in the country, he should be able to run for the presidential post in this country without having to say, "it is not yet the turn of the Yorubas."
Recruitment in our armed forces should be done based purely on capabilities and prospects than by ethnic consideration and malicious aims.
Our National sports teams should have people that are ready to deliver irrespective of where they come from in the country. After all we are all Nigerians and want to move forward.

I can go on and on.

Proposition:

If we simply cannot stay in Nigeria as Nigerians, and do things based of capabilities and qualification, then we need to divide into ethnic lines, no matter how many.
We are Nigerians. Every Nigerian that is capable needs to be given a chance without his tribe being of importance.

Final statement:

Please, let us fight against Federal character in Nigeria. It is killing us![/b]

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SportsRe: World Cup 2010: Serbia Vs Ghana [ 0 - 1] On Sunday 13th June 2010 by Justcash(m): 6:18am On Jun 17, 2010
lastpage:
^^^^^^You are truly a "regular guy"! It shows in your level of reasoning, if l can call it that.
Time is money and l dont intend to waste mine on regular simpletons like you, who cannot decipher simple turanshi shocked

If by now you still cant digest the fact that "KNOWLEDGE" WITHOUT "ACTION" (ON SUCH KNOWLEDGE) IS NO DIFFERENT FROM "IGNORANCE",
then l concur that you're certainly the wrong person to hold an intellectual discussion with!
You can wallow in your ignorance for as long as you like.
I guess its the "anonymity of the internet" most times, that creates a meeting point for "UNLIKE MINDS"

*hisssssssssssss and walks out*
Lol! People like you make me sad because you are a typical model that exposes the fact that the issue of "Illiteracy" is widespread in Nigeria, especially among people like you that thinks that they are knowledgeable. Ofcourse you are right, the internet has indeed created an avenue for "Unlike minds" to communicate. I wasted valuable periods communicating with a complete Illiterate.
It's good you decided to stop spreading your ignorance because contrary to your belief that you are intellectually capable, you are severely lacking in knowledge. You are an example of the type of ignorance that drags Nigeria to the mud.
Your proud disposition in your ignorance is vindictive and vindicates my assertion about your personality.
SportsRe: World Cup 2010: Serbia Vs Ghana [ 0 - 1] On Sunday 13th June 2010 by Justcash(m): 7:07pm On Jun 16, 2010
@Lastpage

You made absolutely no sense in your reply. You replied like someone that know nothing about soccer and Success.

When you know what to do to solve your problem, and you decide not to do it, is the solution to beg someone else to come and teach you how to do it? If you cannot do what you know, what is the point wasting your time to learn what you already know over again, when you know that you will not do it? The point is doing it not learning. Try to make sense.

I looked at your rant about countries that are always at the top in Soccer. I must say that I am totally disappointed at your level of reasoning. You called Brazil, U.K, Argentina etc as countries that never fall from the peak (fail) in soccer. Can you hear yourself? This is why I believe you know nothing about soccer. I'd be pouring valuable historical soccer knowledge on a brickwall if I give you the outline of the serious failures of the countries you call supreme! I don't intend to waste my time. Sigh!


I wrote;
They become very determined "NOT TO LOSE". By "NOT TO LOSE" I mean that their opponents may as well not be looking for a win. They just want to make life difficult for them and if possible grab a win in the process.

Your replied;

"Now this is the most "crass reasoning" l have ever come across in Nairaland!
NO TEAM IS DETERMINED TO LOOSE! You loose or win, based on what you can do on the field of play!! Even if you've got the talent (like Nigeria) but lack foresight, planning and how to harmonize your resources for optimum performance, you will still loose! "It is called human and capital resource  management"

What is the connection between your reply and what I wrote? Dude, How can you lose to win an opponent  that you intend to draw with or get a win If possble with in soccer? Lol! Did you take some'n before responding?  What?!

Ghana has NEVER been a push-over for Nigeria, go and check the records.
In fact, we only started trouncing them roundly in the 1994-1998 Era at the S.E level.
And if by now, you are still "thinking" Ghana is not a force to reckon with, then you must be living in "Coocoo-land" of African football!
I am still baffled at why it is so hard for people like you to appreciate and recognize success, be it from within or without, like in Ghana.?

Has Nigeria been push overs for them? Why the sudden hype about learning from them? Is Nigeria not a force to reckon with in Soccer? You made me laugh with your last line! Lol! Who doesn't recognise success? Shut up if you have nothing to say! With how blind you are and  how biased you are in your reasoning, you can never see anything successful about Nigeria. If you are Nigerian I'd say you are suffering from "inferiority complex". Learn from Ghana indeed. Make I hear word joo!

[b]My friend, dont just "yarn" just because you feel like! P-L-E-A-S-E, for God sake.  "Its working" my foot.
People like you can "play the Ostrich" for as long as it suits you but in sports, ITS THE RESULT THAT MATTER.
By results, Ghana is showing a positive level of Progress. Not because they are better than us, but we are the architect of our own undoing!

In the 70's, anything "Made in Taiwan" or even any of the Asian countries was considered inferior BUT THEY LEARNED FROM AMERICA and today, America imports its bulk of articles from them! THEY LEARNED Tongue
TQM  was initially an American coinage/philosophy but the JAPANESE LEARNT AND IMPROVED ON IT. Today, Japan is synonymous with quality!
Learn my friend or else YOU will just be here ranting and raving about the success of Ghana Grin

Whether you "psychology from now till eternity", l can assure you that a good product needs no-hard sell

Finally, as a parting-shot, l want you to dwell on the truism that says "THOSE WHO FAIL TO PLAN, ARE PLANNING TO FAIL".

"Smart people" learn from others while those who wallow in ignorance either cant even see their own mistakes or try to "re-invent the wheel".
Either way, they are losers.
Nuff said.[/b]

You dey yarn dust! I have told you to stop generalising your ignorance and perception. Define "Learn" abeg. You and this your learn sef! Taiwan learnt from America, Japan learnt from America, who did America learn from? Or maybe Americans are supreme in knowledge and can only be learnt from! Sigh.
I told you to stay off politics, cos you'd never make any good point with it.
Nigerians know soccer. We have come a long way. We have only to keep ourselves organised in soccer, and that will do the magic. We dnt need to get Ghana to come and teach us what we already know. The main problem here is pretence. People like you pretend not to know the simple solutions to issues and handle it naturally. If you were a sports minister you'd form a committee like the fools that are there now, to take a trip to Ghana and learn how to run soccer abi? We learnt from Ghana how to appoint a new coach abi? We learnt from them how to organise our league abi? We also learnt from them how to qualify for every soccer tournament in Africa abi? It is remaining for you to learn from Ghanians how to make love to your Wife or Girl friend.  Sigh.

You lack proper thinking ability, and completely think Nigeria is worth nothing in soccer. Yet we are ranked among the best 30 best soccer teams in the world. Your way of thinking is what is holding Nigeria back.
SportsRe: World Cup 2010: Serbia Vs Ghana [ 0 - 1] On Sunday 13th June 2010 by Justcash(m): 5:59am On Jun 15, 2010
lastpage:
@JustCashEasy my man, we are not naive in any way!

When we were winning, sometime between 1995 (The Rashidi Yekini Era!) and early 2002, Ghana learnt a lot from us.
For example, they learnt "long preparation".

They learnt that when it comes to the "Fatherland", money does not count, you put your heart and soul into it; and thats what we saw yesterday.
They learnt that "Only when a team works together with a single objective, that team will go places"
They learnt that a football federation that thinks about itself first, can never produce a winning team
They also learnt among many other things, that when you employ "monkeys" in your NFF, your team will be lunging from pillar to post
grin

Having learnt a lot from Nigeria, they are putting it into practice and what matters, THE RESULT, is there for all to see.

unfortunately, like Fela Anikulapo Kuti have said, "Teacher dont teach me nonsense".  wink
The Teacher has forgotten its own teachings!
Maaa-Abasi?! huh huh
[b]

And who told you that they learnt from us before doing those stuffs? My friend, don't generalise your perception! They simply stood up and handled their problems cos they knew what the solution was. We dint go to teach them nada!

We don't have to learn from them. Especially when we know the solution to our problem! Will you start asking your neighbor how he cured his headache, when you know what to use and cure your headache? NO! It is not like we have been trying to solve our soccer problems without success.
My point is, It is simply called a law of "Diminishing returns". In life, one tend to pursue success, when he/she gets to the peak of his/her success, the next movement is downwards. It is natural! Not necessarily because things are being done in a wrong way. It may be due to the increase in the psychological determination of opponents to beat the team.
Cameroun won the CAF nations cup back to back, where are they now? Remember how determined we were when we ensured that they were beaten in the nations cup? That was their bane. It was not because they were getting it wrong. They dint have to learn from us! So because Egypt is winning it now, they have suddenly become perfect. They are so perfect that they couldn't qualify for the world cup, yet they have won the CAF nations cup three times.

Ghana will surely sweat the way Nigeria is sweating when opponents completely recognize them as a deadly team in Africa, and become very determined "NOT TO LOSE". By "NOT TO LOSE" I mean that their opponents may as well not be looking for a win. They just want to make life difficult for them and if possible grab a win in the process. That is the defining factor of who rises in soccer or not.

Nigeria has nothing to learn from Ghana in soccer. If you are talking about politics, I'll agree to some extent. But soccer, NO freaking way!
A time will come when Nigeria will see Ghana as a superior team. At that point, it will definitely take God for Ghana to beat us. The Senegalese 2001-2002 team vs Nigerian team at the same period is a good case to study. At the moment, we still take Ghana as a flash in a pan. When they confirm their current superiority, it will be a heck of a ride for their soccer team.

Stop all these trash talk about learning from Ghana. BTW what do we have to learn from them? Don't come with your organization trash because we got our own Organization. It is working, not dormant. It is just that most of you are too blind to see the positive side. To you, 5 SE positives + 1 SE negative =6 SE negatives. *SE for Super Eagles

If we must make Nigeria to rise, it takes more than negative talks and constant criticism. You need to have a positive psychology, understand the efforts being made to rectify things and work personally towards rectifying things in a lil way you can.

Super Eagles is on the rise, We aint learning from Ghana. Just doing it in our own way.[/b]
SportsRe: World Cup 2010: Serbia Vs Ghana [ 0 - 1] On Sunday 13th June 2010 by Justcash(m): 11:35am On Jun 14, 2010
[b]Na wa o!
What is it with Ghana and Nigeria? If Ghana won Serbia are they supposed to use it to mock Nigeria? Is it supposed to make Nigerians sad?

Listen everyone, Ghana is up now, and Nigeria has been down and is rising, it is normal in Soccer. Where is Senegal? Were they not once a deadly team in Africa?
If Ghana won, good for them, it is not affecting Nigeria. Who gives a damn? I will only rejoice because they are Africans and Nigeria's neighbor. Finish! If I was against them winning, it is still normal, afterall I'll choose the team to surpport.

I must say that the fact Ghana has risen in the past 5 yrs means nada in Soccer terms! Cos It happens. Ivory coast also rose, is anyone angry about that. Nigeria will also rise, and it will be soon.

Those saying that we should learn from Ghana are indeed Naive and ignorant about Soccer trends. What do we have to learn from Ghana? Nonsense! When they were down and we were up did they learn anything from us? We need to put our house in order, and we dnt need to learn nada from Ghana to do it.

Don't even go to the extent of comparing economic development between Ghana and Nigeria. Leave Politics out of this! Lets Talk Soccer here.

Congrats to Ghana. Nigeria is coming.[/b]
PoliticsRe: As South Africa Glistens, Nigeria Darkens by Justcash(m): 12:18pm On Jun 13, 2010
Gbawe:
Absolutely nonsensical and ridiculously biased self-hating tirade grossly devoid of factual balance or objectivity. The author may be a "worrying irritant to humanity" but the same is not true of the many Nigerians , home and abroad, contributing positively to humanity through proffessional and personal endeavours.

It is alarming how many Nigerians have now become unrepentant self-hater to the extent that reason ,common sense and facts routinely fly out of the window in the haste to demonise their own Country while extolling even the Devil as better than the average Nigerian.

South Africa is far better than Nigeria in every facet yet it has far more violent crime per capita that Nigeria, is the "despoil capital of the world" and recently (2008) shocked the World with a disgraceful and murderous display of xenophobic rage against foreigners !!!

Despite all that, and according to this self-hating Nigerian, we should all be packed off to hell because we are "irritants to humanity" while the 'saintly' folks of South Africa should be ordained as the Angels of Africa because their Country is more economically developed than ours !!! The ridiculous reasoning of some Nigerians , no doubt clouded by irredeemable self-hatred , never fails to amaze me !!!!

http://www.examiner.com/x-3747-Louisville-City-Hall-Examiner~y2009m6d20-South-Africa--despoil-capital-of-the-world
Your response is an echo of my thought.

As South Africa glistens, more truths about the hospitable nature, culture and investment potentials in Africa as a whole will be revealed. As a matter of fact, The glistening of South Africa is in no way casting a shadow (Darkness) on Nigeria.
If the author was a frequent traveler, He/She would have known that Core tourists and investors don't stop in a country when they visit a continent. They strive to reach as far as they can in search of fun or investment opportunities.
PoliticsRe: 'Nigeria ‘ll Be Africa’s Biggest Economy By 2023' by Justcash(m): 11:25am On Jun 10, 2010
It won't take up to 3 yrs for Nigeria to overtake South Africa as the biggest economy in Africa, if only the federal government can put Six basic things in place: I have listed them in an order of priority.

1. Constant supply of electricity

2. Adequate security

3. Attractive Business policies and environment (A pre-requisite for FDI and Domestic business growth)

4. Good and innovative Credit facilities (Especially for Entrepreneurial Nigerians with innovative business ideas and big Foreign investors)

5. Provision of efficient basic infrastructural facilities (Road, water, transportation system etc)

6. Proper monitoring of Government agencies to checkmate anti-investment activities (Bribery, deliberate maltreatment etc)

Until We do these, We are not getting anywhere close to South Africa in terms of real economic growth and development.

We have everything to overtake South Africa. The problem is the attitude of deliberate foot dragging by Nigeria's government when it comes to putting these basic things in place.

We have the potential to be an economic giant in the world. There is a;

High Domestic consumption potential

Abundant natural resources

Huge availability of intellectuals

Hospitality is enshrined in our culture

60% + of our population are youths (Abundance of labor)

Most of all We have a big manufacturing and service potential.

These are what most countries wish to have.

It can actually take us less than 10 yrs to get to the level of most developed nations. This is because we don't need to invent anything new in the world to be a world's economic power. We need to study, acquire and properly utilize things that has already been invented to meet our goals and experience what even the countries that invented those things may not be experiencing. This requires a focused, Passionate and sensible leadership. That was the Secret of the growth of Singapore under Lee Kuan Yew.

Seun didn't invent the Internet. He used the internet to create this forum which is being patronized by Nigerians and foreigners, and can be a good alternative to other forums around the world. He actually used a foreign invention properly to reach his goal of creating wealth and making an impact. This was what I meant when I said that Nigerians don't need to invent.

If our government does one of the factors that I mentioned above, without the others, then we can never reach our full economic potential in Nigeria.
PoliticsRe: Awolowo Had No Equal by Justcash(m): 10:19pm On Jun 04, 2010
Onlytruth:
I can't believe these folks are taking this literally. Shakes head.  undecided

That is an evidence of their level of knowledge! They will be the first to talk about wanting to leave cos they think they are making more sense!

I'm outta here to catch my biz flight jare!
PoliticsRe: Awolowo Had No Equal by Justcash(m): 10:05pm On Jun 04, 2010
sjeezy8:
Its no big deal with the way youre talking now its as if you enjoy Lagos more than your own state? Stay in Lagos we didnt ask you people to leave.

you people no get shame at all lol

I dont even think people pay attention to the EAST.
Well there is nothing to be ashamed of. If I buy lands in Lagos, I am qualified to do so as a Nigerian. Sorry man, there is nothing you can do about it. You can come and buy in the East if you want, no one is chasing you away.

About the last statement, you need to study Igbos well to understand that we gat the same biz mentality with the Chinese. We can never be the richest in the world cos our wealth go round. Boys are trained in biz everyday and given capital to start up and rise too. So it really goes round. We care more about profit and competitive advantage that is why we travel alot for trade. Then we go home to build beautiful houses and drive the best cars.
PoliticsRe: Awolowo Had No Equal by Justcash(m): 9:41pm On Jun 04, 2010
Katsumoto:
"Obviously, the maker of “Nigeria on Edge” has no respect for Chief Obafemi Awolowo.  He does not have to, but let me remind him that, Odumegu Ojukwu (his hero) at Awolowo’s funeral said, “This is the best President we never had”. He alleges that some journalists are sentimental while he is over coated with Igbo-kuenuism.  Every Nigerian need to know that there are more than Igbo, Yoruba and Hausa/Fulani in Nigeria.  In Nigeria, you also have Oron, Ibibio and Calabar to mention but a few, and they are neither Igbo, Yoruba nor Hausa/Fulani."
THE BEST PRESIDENT THAT NIGERIA NEVER HAD.

Like I have always said, Awolowo did great things in the west. He is indeed a great administrator, best Yoruba ever had. He was the best leader in the West. That cannot be said of other parts of Nigeria. We gat our best leaders.
PoliticsRe: Awolowo Had No Equal by Justcash(m): 9:34pm On Jun 04, 2010
babapupa:
No!!

Forget about Yoruba people and start understanding yourself.

Worry about the Igbo people, stay in Igboland, develop Igbo land, accept all responsibilities for your actions, stop running around like wanderers, stop claiming other people's land like Lagos and start showing some interest in Igboland.


Basically, do you.
In one Nigeria? The same Nigeria that two men from Ogun state (Obasanjo and Awolowo) Fought to keep as one? Dn't worry, one day you will wake and discover that the Igbos own everything that makes you boast of Lagos state and other Yoruba states! Nonsense!
PoliticsRe: Awolowo Had No Equal by Justcash(m): 9:27pm On Jun 04, 2010
Onlytruth:
I think that understanding Awoism and the Yoruba political thought is the key to Igbo survival in Nigeria. I can almost trace all Igbo problems in Nigeria to this misunderstanding of Yorubas. Only few Igbo like Arthur Nzeribe actually understand these people.  undecided

Nah! Only few people misunderstand Yorubas. Igbos know them very very well. We live among them, and we know them. No be today. There are just some things that has to do with personal opinion.

A good leader can only be considered good by the person/people that he has led. Chikena! Libyans worship ghaddaffi and from all indications, they love him.  Does that make him the best leader in Africa? Nah!
PoliticsRe: Awolowo Had No Equal by Justcash(m): 9:15pm On Jun 04, 2010
[quote author=bk/babe97 link=topic=456203.msg6153627#msg6153627 date=1275680440]Was Ojukwu a pro-developmental leader?

Answer: Hell nah!
Was Ojuku a Nationalistic leader?
Answer: What the hell are u sniffing?! (attempts to assault interviewer) He was more concerned about his ethnic group than Nigeria as a whole. His developmental efforts were directed to the benefit of his ethnic group and region, with little to show for national development. Infact, he left Biafra in shambles by the time his (mis)adventure was ova! It is a well known fact that he was a symbol of the Ibo political stu.pidity in the post-colonial days. This greedy, bearded, monkey attempted to create his own fiefdom using the money of the country he despised and wanted to be rid of!

Was Ojuku the greatest leader in Nigeria?

Answer: Not by a long stretch! If you are talking about Nigeria as a whole, he is not. If you are talking about that mess of a Biafra, maybe! He is the greatest leader of his tribe and region not Nigeria as a whole. Hell, dude couldnt stand "Nigeria". The north would claim that Tafawa balewa/Ahmaedu bello and other northern leaders were the greatest leaders in Nigeria. The Igbos would claim that about Ojuku. And it is not surprising that Yorubas see Awolowo as the greatest leader Nigeria has ever had. However, he is not. In terms of nationalistic leadership qualities, my daughter's Homer Simpson doll was a better leader than Ojuku. This is why no right thinking person, including myself, likes him. Ibos feel that he was a fool for attempting "Biafra", but because of low-self esteem or stu.pi.dity (or a combination of both) they refuse to say this openely. Imagine this, if the ibos are so scared of him now that he's old, vanquished, and senile, imagine how he woulda been had that dream of his had materialized! You think North Korea worships its leader, only the Lord knows what Ojuku woulda been revered as; a god maybe?!


Was Ojuku an important  player in Nigeria's unity?


Answer: Oh,sure! Yes, He was. He made the North and West become friends because of his greedy, stup*id, imb.e.celic policies! When he hijacked Parliament and tried to declare a separate country for the Eastern Region, killed heroes like Maj. Nzeogwu, ran-off people that could have deveoped Biafra such as Mr Azikiwe and Mr Ken Saro-Wiwa amongst others that knew he was a lunatic and an impending dictator. . . then decided to forgive the people that killed his people in the millions by endorsing one of them a few weeks ago to become President, this inspite of the fact that the General he endorsed is a world renowned criminal and murderer ,then, if thats what u call preserving Nigeria as a country. . . . .  . He has however been seen as a "Coward" and "Ungrateful" individual by the world when in 1970 he disguised as a biyyytch and fled into exile with his skirt between his legs!!! To show you how egotistical that gorilla was; HE EVEN REFUSED TO SHAVE HIS BEARD EVEN THOUGH HE WAS DRESSED AS A WOMAN. HE said it'd make him look less like Barry White if he shaved! Imagine, he valued his beard over his life or that of his commanders and inner circle. Remember too that during the war Ojuku got fatter and fatter while Biafran kids died of malnutrition!!! Oh, also, remember he had a hand in the death of Mr Ken Saro-Wiwa years later! Rumor has it that he was pissed that Mr Ken Saro-Wiwa was more handsome and used to get all the girls back East. The Biafran war lord hates competition . . . .  .

Was Ojuku a Bad or Good man?

Answer: Simplest question you asked all day: HE WAS EVIL! MORE EVIL THAT SATAN HIMSELF! Like I said earlier, he killed Mr Ken Saro Wiwa! Killed his own people in the millions just to achieve his ill-conceived dreams of being a dictator! He attacked Lagos during the civil war by dropping bombs; this, even though the Yorubas were still standing on the sidelines at the time. Then he tried to capture Yoruba country. He sent a Yoruba officer that served in the Biafran army as an emissary, complete with a letter written in typical "Ibo man's big english", detailing how he would rule over the Yorubas once he captured the Western Region! The Yorubas wasnt buying that shiyyyt and they quickly joined the hausas and kicked his aszz back to the 6th century!!!

I am human, So you should know how I feel about him. That being said, the truth has to be told.[/quote]Hahahahahhahahahahahahah! I am just seeing this. Hahahahahahahahahah! BK/MALEBABE97 is in the building. Good to know that you were taught an editing skill from the Land of the G'AY Mofos!
What is it with you and Ojukwu? I need to investigate if he is your father or was he the person that mistakingly bursted the condom that gave birth to you?
If I call BK/MALEBABE 97, You scream OJUKWU!!!! back
Listen boy/Girl, I aint here for you. But I can face you if you want. You know nada about Nigeria, so better go do your duty on you Man or I'll make you go do it!

Stup'is A'ss Mofo!
PoliticsRe: Awolowo Had No Equal by Justcash(m): 9:03pm On Jun 04, 2010
[quote author=bk/babe97 link=topic=456203.msg6153740#msg6153740 date=1275681526]Lol. Watch him come at you with the hOmo.se.xual innuendos lol. Oh, and he'll curse at u moms too. Ut aint nothin. Just a Biafran thing. U wouldnt understand. . . . .[/quote]
grin grin grin grin grin And in Comes the almighty Man that wants to be a woman. BK/MALEBABE97.

Boy/Girl, as you can see it is Nigerians that are discussing here. Better Keep you B-asta-rd language off this, or I'll make you leave here grumbling as usual! One more word and we will start from where we stopped!

St'upid "G'AY" As'S Mofo!
PoliticsRe: Awolowo Had No Equal by Justcash(m): 8:59pm On Jun 04, 2010
TewMuch:
See BIG achievement!!! I say see Achievement!. Can you imgaine if someone like Awolowo was a leader in the eastern region how they will extol him/? See the Zik they are raising on a pedestal, he only laid the foundation for UNN. This is too sad, you guys need to regroup and have a good talk with your leaders, this is too embarassing. The great Zik of Africa, Nigeria's foremost traitor. His biggest achievement was the creation of Nigeria, the biggest failure for a country, ever!!! He even sold out the middle belt people, that is why fulani people are dealing with them till today.  Greedy, Greedy, Greedy traitor.lol!

Yes, he ensured the independence of the country that your fore-fathers fought and died to keep as one. The country that Awolowo failed to lead for once. That is an achievement! In other countries, people like him are worshipped!

Now tell me what Awolowo ever did for Nigeria as a country?
PoliticsRe: Awolowo Had No Equal by Justcash(m): 8:54pm On Jun 04, 2010
Katsumoto:
Gbam, one gulder for you tonight.
LOL! Hahahahahahahah! You guys are damn dumb! The topic implied that AWOLOWO was the best leader Nigeria ever had! Now How could he have been the best as a regional leader?

LOL!
PoliticsRe: Awolowo Had No Equal by Justcash(m): 8:51pm On Jun 04, 2010
sjeezy8:
Its about the best Leader in Nigeria not about the best leader who led Nigeria.
@ Sjeezy8: Where was it specified? What I saw was that "Awolowo had no equals" in Nigeria's leadership. Where is the inside or outside?
PoliticsRe: Awolowo Had No Equal by Justcash(m): 8:48pm On Jun 04, 2010
babapupa:
You call this achievement? You no get shame ni?
Yes it is! Because he made it possible for us to be independent which was of importance! Pls outline what Awolowo achieved for Nigeria mister Babapupa?! Let's see who will bow in shame!!!
PoliticsRe: Awolowo Had No Equal by Justcash(m): 8:44pm On Jun 04, 2010
[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=456203.msg6153573#msg6153573 date=1275679665]Justcash, to actually call you a fool will be an insult to the Mongolian idiots cos yours is worse.

The Western Region wasn't dissolved until 1967 and yet you expected Awolowo to have left his duties as a governor of the Western Region to develop the Eastern Region in the name of nationalism. . . . . .By the same token, what did Azikwe build in the West OR what did the Yorubas benefit from Azikwe since you Eastern cowards are claiming Awolowo did nothing because you did not benefit from the seeds he sowed.[/quote]
The bold part of your comment is unnecessary. It just placed you where you belong! No wonder you know much about fools and Mongolian idiots.

How could Awolowo ever be called the best leader NIGERIA ever had? You seem to lack basic understanding of expressions and their meanings.

Awolowo Can be your greatest leader because you felt his impact, but don't impose him on people who did not feel his impact.

Dude! I aint arguing if Awolowo was good or not. I agree that he was good. But he cannot be said to be the best in Nigeria!!  

He never had the chance to lead Nigeria, so he was never nationalistic. Which actually leaves him at a regional and ethnic level! He is the best in the West and Among Yoruba leaders, NOT IN NIGERIA!!!!

Is this clear to you or do you need it to be translated into Yoruba?
PoliticsRe: Awolowo Had No Equal by Justcash(m): 8:36pm On Jun 04, 2010
As the premier of the pre-independence Eastern region, Nnamdi Azikiwe greatly expanded the educational facilities in the Easter region and  laid the foundation of University of Nigeria nsukka.
He could speak the three Nigerian languages fluently.
He played the single most vigorous role in Nigeria's match to independence and which led to him being given a post of the Governor-general  in october 1 1960 and subsequently President in october 1, 1963.
His love for Nigeria led him to defect from Biafra after reluctantly serving under Ojukwu from May 1967-January 1970. He defected in 1969, a year before the defeat of Biafra.

On May 11, 1966, New York times described him as, " A man who towered over the affairs of the most populous nation in Africa, attaining the status of a true national hero who came to be admired across the regional and etnic lines dividing Nigeria".
PoliticsRe: Awolowo Had No Equal by Justcash(m): 8:12pm On Jun 04, 2010
[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=456203.msg6153486#msg6153486 date=1275678238]Of course. . . . .I meant the anti-Awo group. grin cheesy
To put things clearly, i meant JustCash, Orisebawo, Dede1.[/quote]LOL!@Sauron

So if you are asked, you'll say that you have been making sense on this topic? Your point of view is completely impotent and tainted with huge patches of tribalistic rants which has left you too handicapped to see things from a realistic point of view. You are bent on fighting a tribalistic battle, one that I dnt wish to indulge in because arguments are meant to instill knowledge and not strife.

What is the point pushing about with your lack of empathy in argument? Now you know who is making no sense?
PoliticsRe: Awolowo Had No Equal by Justcash(m): 8:01pm On Jun 04, 2010
Let the truth be said;

Was Awolowo a pro-developmental leader?

Answer: Oh yes! One of the most developmental leaders of any tribe in Nigeria. His developmental Foresight, educational provisions and general stride with technological advancement were true evidence of my assertion.

Was Awolowo a Nationalistic leader?

Answer: Hell no! He was more concerned about his ethnic group than Nigeria as a whole. His developmental efforts were directed to the benefit of his ethnic group and region, with little to show for national development. It is a well known fact that he was a symbol of the Yoruba's political might in the post-colonial days.

Was Awolowo the greatest leader in Nigeria?

Answer: Nope! If you are talking about Nigeria as a whole, he is not. He is the greatest leader of his tribe and region not Nigeria as a whole. The north would claim that Tafawa balewa/Ahmaedu bello and other northern leaders were the greatest leaders in Nigeria. The Igbos would claim that about Ojukwu. So it is not surprising that Yorubas see Awolowo as the greatest leader Nigeria has ever had. However, he is not. In terms of nationalistic leadership qualities, Nnamdi Azikiwe was a better leader than Awolowo. This is why many Igbos including me don't like him. Igbos feel that he was a fool by sacrificing alot for Nigeria's unity, while his mates were standing for their ethnic groups and region.

Was Awolowo an important player in Nigeria's unity?

Answer: Oh yes! He was. When he refused to declare a separate country for the western region, and instead decided to forgive the people that imprisoned him against the people that released him, he actually preserved Nigeria as a country. He was however seen as a "Coward" and "Ungrateful" individual by the Igbos after that event. However, he helped to keep Nigeria one by doing that.

Was Awolowo a Bad or Good man?

Answer: It is relative. To the Yorubas and Hausa/fulanis, he was a Sweetheart and a symbol of a true leader. To the Igbos and most eastern tribes, he was a Coward, a saboteur and a devil in the making. Nothing can change these perceptions, no matter how much you argue.

I am Igbo, So you should know how I feel about him. That being said, the truth has to be told.
PoliticsRe: Awolowo Had No Equal by Justcash(m): 7:49pm On Jun 04, 2010
sjeezy8:
Tribalism aside im sooo serious what did Zik actually accomplish for the East region and Nigeria when he was president?
Nothing! He achieved Nothing! He left himself in the open and dint do nada! Cos he had a greedy goal to lead Nigeria.

Awolowo on the other hand decided to be tribalistic and regional. He ended up achieving things in Yoruba land. However, he achieved nada in other parts of Nigeria because he was never allowed to do so. Who knows what the outcome would have been if he had the chance.

My point is that Awolowo can only be the greatest leader in Yoruba land, not in other parts. I dint feel his impact. I can only call those leaders that I felt their impacts good leaders.
PoliticsRe: Awolowo Had No Equal by Justcash(m): 7:42pm On Jun 04, 2010
Orikinla:
Those accusing others of tribalism, lest you forget I AM 100% PROUD IGBO FROM UMUAHIA NORTH IN ABIA STATE.
I have been involved in political advocacy and worked at a higher level in the presidential campaign office of Dr. Bamanga Tukur when I was 27 and even carried firearm to defend him.

Ọbáfẹ́mi Awólọ́wọ̀  had no equal and no Nigerian ruler or leader presently can be his equal.

Chief Olusegun Obasanjo never won any election without rigging and look at the legacy of OBJ today in the PDP. A cesspit of corruption. A kleptocracy.

Are you implying that Awolowo built, Obj destroyed? Anyway, they were two politicians that dint know what they wanted. So they can go to blazes for all I care! Sons of bitches!!!
PoliticsRe: Awolowo Had No Equal by Justcash(m): 7:01pm On Jun 04, 2010
[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=456203.msg6153017#msg6153017 date=1275673464]Of course. . . . . . .
Sam Mbakwe built 2000 Universities for his people. . . . . .He also implemented free education but those boys in Aba refused.
What didn't he do? He is even greater than Nelson Mandela of South Africa.
How anyone can tell me a secessionist like Mbakwe deserves a mention borders on LUNACY. . . .

Mbakwe and Gbenga Daniels have the same level of credibility in Nigerian Politics and that's about it.[/quote]

Just As Obafemi Awolowo is the same as a Son of a bitch, A coward, an ungrateful F-oo-l and a complete saboteur to me.
PoliticsRe: Awolowo Had No Equal by Justcash(m): 6:37pm On Jun 04, 2010
[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=456203.msg6152884#msg6152884 date=1275672262]Awolowo was the greatest leader Nigeria ever had.
If anyone says otherwise, i will piss in his face. Just because he didn't dance to the tunes of the Biafra drums doesn't make him a villain.
Awolowo couldn't sacrifice Yorubaland to be used as a battle ground at the expense of Ojukwu's selfish wet-dreams.

What are we talking about here? Awolowo never ruled the Nigerian State as a whole.
He was just a leader of the Western Region and if we compare the South West to the other parts of Nigeria(until IBB developed Abuja), the people in the East and those in the North will feel short-changed.

The development and the industrialization in the West were heads and shoulders above the rest of the country.
He educated everyone willing to go to school in the West and that included the Igbos and the Hausas/Fulanis staying in the West.
What else do these Igbo men want from him? His lungs?[/quote]LOL! Mr Sauron: That is your point of view.

My point of view is that Awolowo was no where near Sam Mbakwe and Okpara in purposeful leadership.

A child in it's mother's stomach thinks that the size of it's mother's stomach is the size of the world.
PoliticsRe: Awolowo Had No Equal by Justcash(m): 6:28pm On Jun 04, 2010
Katsumoto:
I never asserted that Awo was the greatest leader Nigeria ever had. I was only responding to your comment that since he only developed the west, he was a tribalistic leader.
That Awolowo was tribalistic and regional in his approach is not an insult to him. It shows that with his position, he had to be so, in order to make the right impact and deliver to the prople he is responsible to. The west was known to be Yoruba land. He operated with that at the back of his head. He dint care If other national benefited, his sole aim was to ensure the development of yoruba land and people.
Nnamdi Azikiwe was more concerned about leading Nigeria as whole, even at the detriment of his tribe and people. He actually saw Nigeria as a whole, and could actually answer Nigeria than Igboland when asked where he was from. This explains why he even fought to be a political figure in Yorubaland. If Zik had Igbos at the back of his head, he would have concentrated on Igboland and competed to become the political figure head there, in order to represent them and compete for development. These were what Awolowo never Ignored.
PoliticsRe: Awolowo Had No Equal by Justcash(m): 6:13pm On Jun 04, 2010
Katsumoto:
[b]How could Awo have developed other regions if he had no power over them? [/b]We can judge him on the region that he led and he had no equal in Nigeria. His achievements are there for all to see. If Awo was president of Nigeria and only developed the West, then I will accept the argument that he was a tribalist. But the fact is that he was not, he was the premier of the Western region and he did his job well, especially when compared with the other leaders.
Exactly my point. He was only able to develop the western region, because he had the chance. Is that a basis for calling him the greatest leader ever in Nigeria when he made no impact in the lives of the Nigerians in other regions? Like you said, if he was a Nigerian head of state, and performed that credibly, I'd admit that he was the greatest. But my friend, he never had the chance to show his developmental ability over a very complex Nigerian state, so must not be given an unnecessary credit as being the best Leader NIGERIA ever had!
He was the best leader that the WEST ever had! To me Sam Mbakwe of Imo state is by far a better leader than Awolowo because I felt his impact. He did what Awolowo never had the chance to do for Imo state (My home state). That does not mean that I should call him the best leader Nigeria ever had.
Going by what you imply, it is your personal view, so must not be forced on the personal view of others.
PoliticsRe: Awolowo Had No Equal by Justcash(m): 6:02pm On Jun 04, 2010
TewMuch:
[b]If awolowo is all these things then why did your Igbo people accept free education and benefit from it? [/b]You guys love to revise history anfd throw blame when things dont work your way. [b]The idea of maintining Nigeria as one was ZIK's bright idea, so stop lying there. [/b]You people should exhume his body and beat him up if you are that upset. As you say, Awolowo wanted the best for his people but Zik was canvassing to rule everyone in any way possible. [b]IEven to the extent that he didnt mind being a figurehead head of state to people of very low intelligence compared to him. If you ask me, those are attributes of a greedy person and a coward. [/b]You have not told the whole truth, but how can i blame you. If you hear lies repeatedly over a period of time you begin to believe it. All the anger of the Igbo's today was self created, and they tried to run away when all didnt go as planned. [b]Who told you Yoruba's wanted one Nigeria? [/b]When our region was light years ahead of others? you must be dreaming.
Your 1st statement in Bold: Only Nigerians in the Western region benefited from it. There was really no way he would have separated other ethnic groups from benefiting from his good educational incentive and innovation. Any Igbo that benefited from it actually traveled to the West to do so. Awolowo Never had Nigeria as a whole in mind while implementing his developmental plans. His Tribe and "Region" were his concern. However, other ethnic nationals in the region benefited. That does not make him a national leader, rather it points to the fact that he was more tribalistic and regional in his plan.

Your second statement in bold: Shows that you were thinking with your heart than your head. Pls point out where I said that ZIk kept Nigeria as one? Can you check up the meaning of being "Nationalistic" in leadership? If you don't know, pls research to avoid spewing out your ignorance.

Your third statement in bold: Your statement could actually be true. The question is, in his greediness, was his Nationalistic? Think again!

Your fourth statement in bold: Don't let Awolowo, Obasanjo and co to hear you! They'll be angry that you think that they wasted their time and effort! Who plotted the starvation strategy that left Biafra handicapped? Who accepted the surrender of Biafra? Go and do a proper research my dear friend. If the Yorubas dint want one Nigeria, alot of things would have been different now. I still ponder why the sacrificed so much for it?

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