₦airaland Forum

isale_gan2:
All right. Thanks for answering my question.

So are you a tribalist like everyone else?

Or do you have beef with Tribalism?

isale_gan2:
That appears to be a defensive statement, not an offensive one.  That's the way I see that.

The offensive statements I saw in threads about the murdered poster had to do with self-serving comments about his religious faith or lack thereof.  I must have missed posts ridiculing him because of his tribe - from anyone, including Ibos.

I[b]'m curious to know if either of you lived in Nigeria in your formative years - growing up around Ibos - attending primary or secondary school with them - having them as teachers - living next door to them?  No offense meant.  I'm not saying there isn't a lot of give and take on this NL "tribalism"subject.  I'm following up since you responded to my earlier request for peace.  [/b]

With all due respect, I did
I lived all my life in Lagos, Shomolu to be exact, before jetting out,
Yeah, had them as teachers, friends, gfs and what have you.

I am Yoruba, they are Ibo; nothing is going to change that!

bk.babe97y:
Really?! Sure, next time I'll remember to request his Certificate of Tribal Affiliation. . . . . .

This is not meant to be a fight.
Just trying to educate you a lil

I wouldn't mind you educating me about AA culture, If you would be so graceful
You should not be angry; its an online forum,some sort of decorum is required for peaceful interaction.
If you feel irritated in one way or the other, know one thing for sure: I come in peace!

If I See a White Man speaking english with a British Accent, 20 times outta 20 I'll automatically assume he's British!

It is your prerogative to assume anything about anybody. However, your hypothetical "20 times outta 20" is an unnecessary exaggeration. Context matters a lot! Does that also mean that a white man speaking with an American accent is American "20  outta 20 times?" Would you go as far as to assume that any black man with a NY accent is an AA " 20 outta 20 times?"

Left to me I'd have assumed the language being spoke by Ojukwu was Ibo. . . . .

Fair enough!

I'm supposed to do "what" with the info above?!

Again, I come in peace.
I was just trying to put things in context for you; sort off give you an example of  why your assumption was flawed from the get go
That said, You seem genuinely irritated; whatever it is in my post that got you mad wasnt meant to generate such a reaction in you.
Once again, accept my sincere apology!

Ileke-IdI:
KoboJ, I think this was actually an online poll. That's why they question the [b]legibility [/b]of the poll result

Validity?
Legality?

Which one be legibility again?

Ymodulus:
You IGBOS are bunch of Docile gullible idiots. How on earth will you f-o-ols keep giving this guy praises, how no earth will you fail to realise that he did what he did for selfish reason and not for the interest of his Goats (the Igbos), i do think the Yorubas where big illiterates now i have come to found out that the Igbos are the Biggest of all time, this is why you fail to clinch the president seat for ones because you all are bunch of Ignorant senile BAS-TARD

Now change your signature to that, please!

bk.babe97y:
I dont know his name, I dont know his tribe!

L[b]ike I stated in my post: Every NLer said he was Yoruba and noone disputed it! How hard is it to put 1+1 together to equal 2?
[/b]
Notice, I put my post in Chronological order to make sure I understood what was going on. . . . . .

I do things with "Common Sense" thats why I cant stand ignoramu*ses!

That is not enough for you to come to the conclusion that he is Yoruba
People assumed he is Yoruba because he spoke Yoruba

A lot of Non - Yorubas speak Yoruba on a constant basis
He could have been Edo, like Dele Momodu; or even Ibo who had spent a lot of time in Yorubaland

I was just curios about the content of your subsequent post
It gave me the impression that you deduced he is Yoruba from his name, and knowing full well you are not Nigerian, I was a little impressed.Now I am not so impressed

Anyways, how is your Gf? MZdarkskin?

isale_gan2:
So, you'll hate on him just a little bit less?  If the old man's on his sick bed, it doesn't hurt to show some respect (at least on threads dedicated to wishing him well).  And suspend the vitriol against him and his people for a little while?  Who knows, peace might break out all over this accursed forum Nairaland.    But, I won't hold my breath.

Onlytruth: Since the enemies to my survival never take a vacation, why should I?

If this is how they think, why should I relent?

PhysicsQED:
Only point. # 2 is correct.

#3 the man whose hand Ojukwu is holding is Bolaji Aluko.

Bolaji Aluko is Yoruba

bk.babe97y:
^^^Are You Ok?^^^

And this Bolaji Aluko is . . . . . Korean?!

How did you know that?

Are you actually Yoruba? Just curious

SEFAGO:
LOL, which one be sitting allowance again

Man of high intellect

Shouldnt you be able to figure that out?

^^^

Thermo is easy for shyyt

bk.babe97y:
Dont fall the trick!!! Thats the typical Ibo way! Chyz does this all the time! When he sees that his human-flesh eating Ibo nation is getting a beating he changes the topic by throwing in something completely different from the topic at hand. . . . the damn unemployed gay!

He's Ibo so he most likely a drug dealer or scam artist!

Could be a kidnapper or ritualist too

babapupa:
Boy, go look for your gay jolly elsewhere, I don't do men.

Is there any other worthy Ibo to debate beyond this homoerotic clown?

Nah, The only one left is about to die in a UK hospital

Ileke and her School NL mom

Hmmmmm

SEFAGO:
^ Not really. I am sure you would be cougar-ing in your 50s if not that you were brought up in a society/family that probably frowned on such. Nothing wrong with an old woman who wants to have tons of mindless s/e/x. Let her enjoy the little time she has in this world. Infact, I commend how on trying to match her male politicians stroke for stroke (figuratively and literally )

Do you find her alluring?

On a side note, I am sure all the old madams on NL (would not name names), are envious like crazy about Ita giwa.

Kobojunkie?

^^^

Other than Reetard, what other word do you have in your vocabulary?

chyz:
You yorubas are so funny.You are the only tribe in the whole of nigeria that do absolutely nothing but come out to claim themselves as the mightiest and doers of all.ROTFLMAO!

What do you mean?

The best country in the world is BIAFRA

So Kobo speaks Yoruba

WTH?

MzDarkSkin:
LMFAO@ topic and the 'tard posting on here with the big font.
Some people have no shame.

why wont politicians learn that what they do in the dark will come to light?
why the need for the lies and corruption? If my understanding is correct he
is lying about his popularity and results. I say, the ppl can speak for themselves,
why would you lie about being favored? I mean come on now, that's like me
running for class president, forging the votes and then being booed throughout
my inauguration, it wont add up. That example I give was a little off but it
is virtually what will happen.

Take your rant to where it is needed
Stupit Jamo talking about Nigeria
WTF!

Ileke-IdI:
see as yoruba sweet for im mouth.

eyah, he mentioned sth about not imposing on the ndi-igbo after biafra, but yet the ndi-igbos are still crying marginalization. why?

After hearing the Yoruba

I now like him a little bit

When armed confrontation with the federal government was imminent, Ojukwu knew as a military man that the eastern region had absolutely no chance of victory in a conflict with the federal government.  Yet he declared the secession of the eastern region which he governed, in the knowledge that federal troops would invade immediately after the secession.  Although Ojukwu doubtless possessed outstanding leadership and motivational skills which he used admirably to pull his people solidly behind the war effort, it is uncertain exactly how he possibly believed that the eastern region (armed only with a few elderly World War 2 era rifles) could succeed against an enemy armed with limitless mortars, machine guns, tanks, armoured personnel carriers, trucks and air force jets.  One does not have to be a military strategist to see the folly of this decision.

At the time, there was a widely held belief (propagated by Ojukwu and other Biafran leaders) that defeat for Biafra would be met by mass indiscriminate massacres by the federal government.  If Ojukwu believed this, then his escape at the end of the war is deplorable.  After over a million Igbos were killed in the senseless war, Ojukwu fled in the last days of the war when his people were at their lowest ebb, despite repeatedly promising throughout the war that he would never leave his people to the mercy of the federal troops.  If he believed that all his people would be massacred then his flight to a luxurious exile abroad and refusal to stand side by side with them to finish a war he dragged them into, cannot be applauded.  Ojukwu is an iconic leader for his people, but has failed to deliver the aspirations of his people.  The question remains – is Ojukwu a hero or a disastrous strategist?

When armed confrontation with the federal government was imminent, Ojukwu knew as a military man that the eastern region had absolutely no chance of victory in a conflict with the federal government.  Yet he declared the secession of the eastern region which he governed, in the knowledge that federal troops would invade immediately after the secession.  Although Ojukwu doubtless possessed outstanding leadership and motivational skills which he used admirably to pull his people solidly behind the war effort, it is uncertain exactly how he possibly believed that the eastern region (armed only with a few elderly World War 2 era rifles) could succeed against an enemy armed with limitless mortars, machine guns, tanks, armoured personnel carriers, trucks and air force jets.  One does not have to be a military strategist to see the folly of this decision.

At the time, there was a widely held belief (propagated by Ojukwu and other Biafran leaders) that defeat for Biafra would be met by mass indiscriminate massacres by the federal government.  If Ojukwu believed this, then his escape at the end of the war is deplorable.  After over a million Igbos were killed in the senseless war, Ojukwu fled in the last days of the war when his people were at their lowest ebb, d[b]espite repeatedly promising throughout the war that he would never leave his people to the mercy of the federal troops.[/b]  If he believed that all his people would be massacred then his flight to a luxurious exile abroad and refusal to stand side by side with them to finish a war he dragged them into, cannot be applauded.  Ojukwu is an iconic leader for his people, but has failed to deliver the aspirations of his people.

ROSSIKE:
ndu chuks said:

I KNEW it!!

The minute you refuse to swallow their koolaid on 'Ojukwu the hero', they insult you and call you names.

Afterall it was only unimportant peasants - all 2 million of them -  who died at the hands of powerful ''heroes''.

Could your hero not have thought about the lives he was endangering by taking on Africa's biggest military with no real military preparation or resources?

I like the kind of war they fought in the old days.

In those days, leaders led from the front.

THEIR HORSES were the first to be seen on approach to the hill.

They did not slip into a hidden bunker and let the masses starve, fight, and die alone, only to sneak out and claim the credit after all their troops have been massacred.

I totally agree with you brother
The moment he fled like a pussie to peaceful IVC, I lost all respect for him
To him, the war was just an exercise
It was about fame
About cementing his name in history
He knew quite well that he wasnt going to defeat the Greatest army in sub-Saharan Africa
He never allowed his children to fight
He sacrificed poor unsuspecting Igbos
He never spent a dime of his money on the war
The WAR was funded, on the Biafran side, solely with charity money from overseas.
He diverted money meant to take care of those malnourished children into his own private account, what an arse!

May God reward him accordingly
The wages of sin is DEATH
Let it be done unto him, as he DID unto others

Good riddance to distasteful rubbish

Sagamite:
Campaign whilst we have reetards like you saying it as justified to be murdered and you prefer military rule?

Stop trying to spin this
I have not said that it is justified to murder people in all circumstances, my point is that under Military rule, if you are perceived as an enemy of the state, and a likely threat to peace, after due investigation, if found guilty, may be justifiably murdered if immediate death is the best solution possible, all other things being equal.

That said, the bone of contention of this thread is the legality, or lack there of , of keeping Al-Mustapha behind bars for so long, and if he should even be tried for those murders in the first place. my point here is that, first, he did not pull the trigger, Sgt Rogers and the rest of the specially trained killer squad did, they should be charged, not Al- Mustapha.

Second, Al-Mustapha, like the rest of us, is a victim of circumstance. Deep down, he is a totally nice guy, who had no qualms with the people killed. He was simply obeying orders from above, and as such ought not to be prosecuted, so as not to discourage future fine officers like him from joining the army. Bad as he may seem in the eye of the public, he is one of the best officers the country has ever produced, and any sort of prosecution should be done with cognizance of and careful analysis of the precarious situation he found himself and his military record prior to becoming the CSO. Prosecuting Al mustapha would invariably open up the Pandora box and it would be difficult to draw the line. If he were prosecuted and jailed, then we would have to prosecute every member of the Nigerian military that fought against, maimed,and killed millions of innocent fellow country men during the infamous Biafran war. Should he be prosecuted, we would and should hold his superiors accountable as well. The likes of Diya and Adisa would have to spend time with him in prison as well.

I hope you understand where I am going here. It simply does not make sense to prosecute Al-Mustapha, a completely loyal and patriotic officer, for the unfortunate death of people, whilst in pursuance of his duty as ordered by his superiors. Simply put, he did what every fine officer swore to do i.e. "to be faithful,loyal and honest, to serve Nigeria with all their strength,and above all, to defend her unity and uphold her honor and glory, irrespective of whose ox is gored! Nigeria is bigger than any individual or groups or tribe or section.

One Nigeria!

Ileke-IdI:
You do know that that man is married with 8 children of his own right?

This 43 years old madam is not a cougar o

Blazay with 8 kids? I doubt that.
Viagra can only help you so much
I give him 6 more months, he wont be able to shine any more congos

Year, to me you are a cougar
At that age, you are no more a PUMA
commoooooooooooooooon, 20 yrs difference btw us.     .    . haba
I love cougars though, more so a HOT one!

Babalola22:
Look at her tummy, like ileke's own. YUCK!  

Igbobuigbo = Akinegba = Omongbati ( 1-400) = Babalola (1-50)

Do not ever talk to my sugar mummy like that
If you see Ileke's hot body, you go fear and agro go catch una

Hope you get banned AGAIN for insulting Ileke

Ileke-IdI:
I shudder!

LMAO!!!

Is that so!

Yes, do still want me?
I am still available you know, and I have a thing for 40 sointin cougars / MILFs like you

Abi na Alhaji Blazay you dey eye?

Nashville TN, yahoo?

Blazay:
You do really have a 'comprehension' problem.
I only give credit on an individual basis, not as a group.
I praised Phillip Emeagwali didn't I.
In some regards, ethnicism has no place in the Nigerian individuality. . . it only takes a sophisticated mind to realize that.
But you think in Ekiti. . . laugh in Ekiti. . . dream in Ekiti and piss in Ekiti. . . so I cannot blame you much.

No I dont, I only take issues with people that speak with both sides of their gworo-induced rotten mouth,
Praising PE has nothing to do with the topic, learn to separate the wheat from the chaff, ok?

If on average, a group of people, by your definition, are the dumbest; playing the odds, she is dumb. Simple. And, it would be difficult for any man to "earn her respect" ( Not sure what to make of this, typical Nigerian English!). Simply put, she got to where she is because of her last name, and because generally Africans, by their nature, support and empathize with people who tragedy, of that magnitude, befall. That said, I am not ruling out the fact the she must have paid her dues with her koochie to who or those in position to help her.

The point is that she is ugly, dumb, and not respectable!