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presido1:
Justwise,

It will be nice if you read well b4 you reply. Did i mention 3rd world country anywhere in my post. I think your mind is pre-conditioned already so no need discusing. You and Elrazor asked any good this leak will bring i answered [b]with the case of ira[/b]n but you never mentioned it in your last post. Was it an oversight?

I Never read anywhere that Saudi publicly  support Iran acquiring nuclear weapons. The point you don't seem to understand is that. .diplomatically govt around the world say things they will never say in public and that is how things are . You will be shocked if Nigerian diplomatic bag is made public, that is why the bag never searched at airport, its the govt secrete and every govt understands that.

Nigerian embassies round the world does send cables back home, stealing it and making the content public can only damage the relationship btw countries involved. Me and you gain nothing from the leak.

presido1:
But those serious TV companies will publish from a 3rd party. I did not get this news from wiki mind you. If its illegal its illegal. Why is BBC and the rest broadcasting it to the whole world. They could have said "no we don't broadcast such the news is illegal or itz from an illegal source".

The BBC u keep going about never stole any cable from ur so called 'thir world' country and publish it, what BBC does is under-cover reporting.

Wikileak made the cable public and published it online AND the USA govt knew about the availability of it b4 the TV and newspaper companies start running it.

presido1:
Justwise,Their is boundary between Diplomacy and Spying. Have you asked yourself why US exchanged prisoners with Russia some months ago.
Julian did not hack any system, he just published info he got just like BBC, Sky and RT are doing with the info wiki released. I don't know what you are on about hacking. Does that make it right? Is the question not how long itz been happening. You are clearly missing the point.
ElRazurYes it will cause more harm and at the same time we know who is back stabbing who. The Arab league will tell Iran that they are in support of their nuclear whatever but will get behind and tell US to Bomb Iran. Why not let Iran to know their stand abnitio to avoid any confrontation with anybody. Don't you think Iran might be doing strong head on the believe that her Arab brothers are behind whatever they are doing while what they are seeking is Iran distruction.

No serious TV company will ever illegaly get hold of CLASSIFIED govt secret cable and went on and publish it. You don't seems to get it.

ElRazur:
Justwise,

See what I mean? Lol.
@topicSo it appears there is a warrant out for him in relation to sexual molestation and a possible case of forced sex. Apparently the Swiss authority has turned down his application for asylum or stay. One thing that I can't help but ask again is why are people not stating the good this leak will serve in relation to the harm it will cause? Why is this particular question getting sidelined? Can those who support this kind of leaks give their views please. The only attempt I have so far is[b] from Presido1 [/b] and it is a weak one in my opinion. Any takers?

He is the only one with single brain cell who sees things onesided. In his mind, everything is black and white

travelspon:
No documents come from us-- no document for the Resident Permit application.

All required documentation are gotten directly from the LMO and sent to the embassy.

We only provide clients with our own forms (not visa forms) for personal details-- to know what they want.

Try harder next time, we all know the truth.

travelspon:
Forgery? From whose end?

We deal directly with the LMO and the embassy

Apart from the application form, other documents should come from the applicant, if it comes from you then its forgery.

[b]

vedaxcool:
not-so-smart person anybody can go and download it from his site how did you come about the sell story? You are sick indeed. And againyou showed how deep your hypocrisy is Elrazor, by asserting diplomacy must not be straight forward business, that is you support gorvernment to engage in lies and double talk but finds it difficult if it were Assange doing the Double Talk, Your are a Hypocirt in every sense of the word. And would reaction be the same if it had been Iran he exposed , no MR. MUPPET ALIAS GRAND HYPOCRIT WOULD HAVE JOYOUSLY CELEBRATED, Guestapo-El-Razor=Justwise, did he sell it to you? why are your convulsing like this?HE is not fighting for freedom of speech let me give you a hint at what is the purpose of his site, since you have made it your business to misinform people about what is going on, Mr. Muppet.
Go to this page to relieve you from Ignorance.http://wikileaks.org/media/about.html

[/b]

Bloody plonker. Waste of time going on with u.

travelspon:
Yes[b] we supply all the necessary documents [/b] to acquire the Resident Permit visa and we also assist in the final stages of the travel-- the ticket.

And the issue of forgery doesn't bother you?

travelspon:
By us of course-- its hassle free for our clients!

Oh ok!! so you basically supply all travel documents for ur clients?

travelspon:
Sure! As you must be aware, the Canadian government is in short supply of man power. So the thing is, we look for jobs in Canada-- based on our clients' needs,apply for the jobs on their behalf and eventually file for approval from the LMO and upon approval, the Resident Permit's granted.

All travel arrangements and Visa processings will also be taken care of.

Taken care of by who?

travelspon:
"who told you you're not?" that's not exactly witty or "justwise"!

Actually its 'travespon'

Can you explain to us here how you sponsor people to Canada to get their Resident Permits?

travelspon:
Now, seeing that[b] I'm not fraudulent[/b], how am I supposed to agree that your being paranoid is rightly channeled?

, . .and who told you that u are not?

travelspon:
Paranoia,

Yea, a good one and you know that.

stranger:
What should I do?
[b]Should I threaten her with a gun?[/b]Please advise friends!

You are a complete waste of space, you are a danger to women.
Threaten her with gun my backside!!

travelspon:
Wow. how convenient!, you think?

Any human being who falls for this ur trap have to be locked up for yrs.

vedaxcool:
Indeed Illitracy have level and you are bearly literate. seems you are on Elrazor's payroll or Justwise= Elrazor?
very much the talk of the goof elrazor-Mr. muppet.
Lol! ;DSo what if he did it for his financial gain? Mr. Muppet(ElRazor) your Iclination to talk of the man's Morality is very funny, what assange did, will make Diplomacy more straight foward than ever. And as for the US goons spying on the UN, it has been a culture well cultivated, Diplomacy by deceit, may be we will finally have Straight Talk when rival countries are dealing with each other. The people of the world that support credibility and honesty supports his Actions. God bless Assange. keep exposing this haters of truth. At least we will understand why the US and it's allies view their enemies.

You can't stop making a fool of urself, can you? Diplomacy has never been a straight and open business hence the name diplomacy. What credibility are refering to? A true ethical hacker will never cross that line when it comes to respect for private info. This has being only about America, can you beg ur hero to get cable from other countries? The poor street rat knows that he will make more money from selling that cable from America. If he was fighting for the so called freedom of speech then he would have published cable from other countries as well without collecting a peny for it.

@travelspon

I know that more bogus 'travel agents' will show their ugly head as xmas gets closer.

Mai Suya:
Hilary apologised? when was that? if anything she has sought to justify the spying of the UN diplomats

to be honest, I'm becoming pretty uncomfortable with the leakages. . .and to think there's 200,000 of such messages left. . .

in retrospect, i think, on the long run, the leaks may cause more problems than solutions.
Libby Purves in the Times

It will hit everybody hard, this is not just about USA, its about everybody. Its easy to talk about freedom of speech but this has crossed the line.

presido1:
Hahahaha you have switched to evidence Is he a registered charity? I don't think so,
After sharing that intelligent you spy on them, it shows you don't trust them.  Why should i share intelligent with you when i know you have no trust on me. It makes me silly. Do you think they will put it in CNN or BBC to show their support. Obviously they won't support him but they will watch their back from now on. Why mock the person that gives you info? Dude this is not about US. Nations are back stabbing each other, Melvin King leak is on the news now, Russia and other countries will see their leak soonest.Meanwhile you refused to answer my question about the legality of stealing password. Was it an oversight?

There was no evidence that Un sec password was stolen and if you think that doing that is wrong then why are calling Julian a hero?
Only fool takes private discussion to public domain.

Its the highest level of stu pi dity, Melvin King issue was a private conversation which EVERY top level govt do have, its foolishness to publish thousands of govt secret on websites and newspapers, it doesn't serve any public interest.

Which Russian cable are you talking about? I don't think you know what u are talking about.  B4 me and u were born, govt around the world does their businesses like this, its no big deal and now one homeless animal thinks its ok to steal it and sell it.

presido1:
Justwise,
Is it legal to collect/Steal the UN Sec. Password, biometric date and all what not without his consent?. How will you feel if this directive was given by Iranian FM to Iranian diplomats.
Dude their is a boundry between Diplomacy and Spying.

Any evidence to prove that UN sec passwords were actually stolen? And how do you know what Iranian FM directed his own security agents to do?
Govts around the world has one or two pple working for them and the means of gathering info is something no outside-eye sees. Julian Assage did this for  his own financial again. You seems to be very naive about the whole issue.

How will countries share info again after this? Many countries fight all sorts of crime including terriorism through intelligent sharing.
Has any country come out to support him? You really must be kidding.

presido1:
Did anybody say they hacked into any system? Ok hacking is crime but eavesdropping is no crime, I wonder why Obama's SOS apologised.
Don't worry about Russia and others, their own leaks are underway. The Good of the leak is that everybody will now know that we leave in an unjust world.

You are seriously day dreaming.
The muppet just made his life a living hell, so now you have all the secret info, what are u going to do with it? Will any govt take USA govt to court cos of it? Like i said b4, every country has their own top secret cable, so who next?

vedaxcool:
^^
Nonsense dey speak.
whatever are his intentions remains his business or since when do you become the judge of other people's intentions, you are morally bankrupted to question his intentions. and as for being a despolier, the question is na you him despoil or na you female relative wey you dey shout from pillar to post to destroy the man's credibility as if that will reduce the credibility of "cablegate", man you are pathetic, whatever personal gains he makes will be at the risk of him dying you lover of totalitarianism, truly it seems you are on CIA payroll, but being the daftie you are CIA will probably have nothing to do with you, rather you do free image laudrry with your pathetic time. Cretin. Go Asange Go, Go wikileaks Go! Thunder fire all the lovers of totalitarianism. Tell them oh! why dey dem cry pass the person wey dey injure? beats me.

Why do you have to talk rubbish!? So for defending Wikileak you are now their lover or on their payroll?  Why are you raining insults on pple cos their 'aired' their views? Don't you have an opinion? illiteracy really has levels.

[quote author=cou-gar link=topic=556345.msg7247153#msg7247153 date=1291141819]they wouldn't be cutting everything in sight and hiking the university fees. i am seriously waiting to see how much foreign students will pay in the uni these days. imperial college will charge 40,000GBP per session.[/quote]

The low ranked unis will avoid the temptation of charging high fees cos they can't compete with other high ranked unis

skillero:
Registeration Closes December 9th

Thief, you are asking pple to pay money into ur bank account. Tough luck this xmas.

naijababe:
^^^ That go hard o bros

at least they have different manifesto

naijababe:
^^^ Agree with you to an extent, but what's the alternative? Labour? Lib-dem? Personally, I think they are all as bad as each other, telling us what we want to hear to get elected. I am apathetic now, maybe I'm going to be voting UKIP at the next election

Or BNP

presido1:
Who shattered the trust? Wiki of those who spy on "trusted" allies. Wiki guys did their job as freelance journalist. If you blame wiki you must blame bbc panaroma for Amodu's suspension. They gave us news any other unbiased news agent would have given us.
Ally makes no meaning if you can't trust each other to the extent of spying.
Do you think that killing him will stop wiki? That guy might just be a front you know. Moreover he knew the consequence before going ahead.

You must be joking right? Was Amodu spied on? How does this case and Amodu's issue related? Did Wikilead interviewed any USA diplomas secretly to gain those info? Your Amodu is a criminal and a disgrace to Nigeria. Only God knows how you can relate these 2 issues.

Every govt does what u called 'spy' Do you know what other diploma said about USA govt? freelance journalist don't go about hacking into any private system, its a crime in many countries, how about hacking into or stealing cable from the Russians?

ElRazur:
I agree.

What I am keen on is whether those who supported this sort of "Freedom" are willing to state the good this will lead to.

Instead of some seeing this at a win for "freedom of speech", I think it is actually counter productive at best.

Well. . he has to prepare to face the music, cos the chase is on for him now.

[quote author=abeg-abeg link=topic=559516.msg7246673#msg7246673 date=1291136054]African marriages can't survive in the west cos the average African man is an illiterate or permit me to say (an educated illiterate) who does not understand what it means to be the head of his family and likewise the woman a helper. it will take decades for the black man to come to terms and understand what the word HEAD and HELPER means. thereafter, he might act on it[/quote]You are talking nonsense, u don't need to be educated to be able to run ur family. Many educated couples don't even last more than a yr in marriage.

If you are educated and this is ur level of reasonsing then i'm worried about ur marriage IF u are married.

ElRazur:
This is what worries me.
We all know that if it happens to the US, then it can happen to anyone. If this happens to the Russian, it is fair to say they will just hunt him down and kill. Period.I am of the belief that some things are best kept away from public domain (just like you mentioned)
I really do not see any good this is doing. The repercussions and damage that will result are far greater than any good anyone can think of in my opinion.

Exactly! now many countries will be very very care full with sharing vital info with USA including security info, its not only USA citizens that died in 9/11 or July 7 in London, so whether you like USA or not, there is no hiding place for any of us. Wikilead did this for their own selfish interest, they made their money but the consequence will be felt by many. Foreign diplomas operate by sharing top secret info under a very high level trust, now this trust has been shattered.

Suicide bomber don't care  whether you hate USA or support Wikilead, everybody in that flight or bus will be blown up. This is not freedm of speech, this is criminal act and govt employees will be trading very carefully now as their roles in offices will be limited now.

yodiyokun:
African marriages where everyone accepts that life in western world is different and offers new challenges will survive and even thrive.

A man that provides for his family back home, provides enough for nanny or housekeeper in naija, but in Uk for example both his and spouse's salary no cut am. If he still expects that he should vege all day in front of TV whil expecting food expecting wife to be fully responsible for kids homework, shopping etc is living in lala land. That means you wan kill the wife be4 her time. If she has any sense in her she will have a conversation about it.
The life here is different, there are different expectations. Both Man and Woman should adjust and everyone should leave their ego at home. Or else the man should go out and make enough for the wife to sit at home fulltime and still take care of her and her responsibilities. She can be homebody then , no wahala, but even that is not easy!

Who in his right mind does that in the UK? A man staying at home while the wife goes out to work?

ssemire:
I do not know where it has ever been acceptable for a man to hit a woman. a man who is a head in his own home will command respect naturally so the idea a oppressing the woman in the first place is not there.
As per why marriages cannot survive in the west, it is all in the mindset. the only thing that changes is location, the values you hold on to should not change.
and on a final note, marriage is a partnership not a manager-subordinate relationship like office in naija. the bible says that two become one. it is well

I have to agree with u completely, very good points made.