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bidex111:
Proforce should really step up is game!
Maj Gen Victor Ezugwu is really driving the Military industrial revolution, No wonder his not been transfered or moved to other military commission, which is not common in the military.
For me they should concentrate on military grade vehicle. If by the next one or two years proforce can't give us MRAPs with RCWS or something new, they would have to find major client in the continent.

Again I agree with this.

There is another Nigerian company coming with MRAPs, they might launch this year.

There's going to be considerable competition in the military vehicles sector.

I just hope we see advances in the area of IFVs and ammunition.

DICON DG is saying they would concentrate on ammunition development from small caliber to large calibre rounds.

bidex111:
@kabe1. "Are you thinking what am thinking "

We sure are thinking the same thing. RWCS for ARA MRAP.

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bidex111:
This is goods to hear but the Army can do better. With this little numbers that means procurement has to be on regular/yearly basis.
Now Proforce has to offer something different or new that will keep the NA in doing business with them, has they remain there biggest client.
Proforce should be thinking of introducing MRAPs with RCWS, or something new that will keep them in the game.

Any lead that Proforce had over DICON has now been eroded by a resurgent DICON.

The finishing from the first Ezugwu MRAP to this latest version, you can see this latest product is export quality.

bidex111:
This is goods to hear but the Army can do better. With this little numbers that means procurement has to be on regular/yearly basis.
Now Proforce has to offer something different or new that will keep the NA in doing business with them, has they remain there biggest client.
Proforce should be thinking of introducing MRAPs with RCWS, or something new that will keep them in the game.

I don't think 52 is a bad number, I think it's good. Considering the Nigerian army had previously ordered 50 or so from the previous 2 years.

By Next year they will also order more vehicles.

I agree with you, this order would put pressure on Proforce Nigeria, I also agree that they need to be innovative.

DICON has been more robust in product offerings, they have MRAPs in 4x4 and 6x6, they have LAVs in 2 different types, they have special forces vehicles, they have All Terrain Vehicles.

They have flares and smoke grenades, including uniform factory.

DICON also has bulletproof vests, helmets and bullets in 7.62mm & 12.7mm so they can offer more.

Proforce needs to offer more products be innovative and look at other markets also.

They have the advantage of exporting, DICON doesn't currently have that, but it might soon change.

bidex111:
The difference between the block II & III is not much mere looking at it.

I agree, outwardly they are practically the same, the difference is in the aesa radar, avionics, computer processing power and the ability to use next generation missiles like the PL-15.

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Exclusive photos of Nigerian Navy Landing Ship Tank (LST) currently under construction in the UAE by DAMEN.

The LST 100 is 70% complete and would be launched in May of this year.

Delivery to the Nigerian Navy would be in march of 2022.

JF-17 Block 3


This is the aircraft Nigeria should go for.

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marvin906:
Since when

Since 2019.

Xbee007:
No aerial refueling probe

It can be installed and removed with ease.

Lurker4Long:

When someone calls South-Africa now, you'll start crying and wailing.

Video of Nigerian Air Force JF-17 Thunder Block II

Look at these beauties 😎
#JF17Thunder #PakistanAirForce pic.twitter.com/W11yJMFOXQ

— Mona Khan (@mona_qau) January 5, 2021

marvin906:
I meant is not a deep strike aircraft so no need

I agree with this, however it's a 4+ generation aircraft, especially the J-10C.

In fact the JF-17 borrowed quite a lot of it's capabilities from the J-10.

marvin906:
The j10 is useless is not even multirole

Lol, what!!!!!

marvin906:
Why is no one looking at China j16 and j20

They are not currently for export.

The J-10 might be available though.

marvin906:
The jf 17 might not be good enough but it's still better then an upgraded F-7n

You fly a Jet for 30 - 40 years after you buy it.

It's not usually a rushed decision, you need to make the right choice.

I don't think in 2021 that the JF-17 is the right choice for the air force for the next 30 - 40 years.

Lurker4Long:
Some free advice: if you're looking for bad news in SA, there's enough in the reputable media.
There really is no need to trawl through racist white supremacist websites, which twist facts and lie.

If I wanted to post bad news in RSA I know where to look. Stop whinning and crying all the time.

For those who might be interested in the JF-17 Block 1 comparison to the Gripen C/D

jln115:
There is no debate.........The Gripen has outclassed fighters like Rafale, F16, F15, Typhoon ect ect in exercises like Red Flag.....

South-African military police

jln115:
comparable in a sense that it's also a single engine light multi role fighter..... That's where the comparison stops

That's a debate we will have another day, perhaps when the jets arrive in Nigeria.

JohnEagle96:
Kabe1 you've done well by analysing the risk factors in Nigeria Defence and Security.
Nigeria needs more helicopters for this kind of conflict we are facing More Mi-17 like 6 units more and tactical helos like the bell helicopter, and our remaining mi-35.
I think Nigeria needs the jf-17 for regional dominance , like we can strike terrorist wherever they are as far as Niger Mali border which we don't have the range, for now.
We should provide for more Signals Intelligence Aircraft and EW.

The Bell 412 is a fantastic helo, but we have the A109 which plays the exact same role as the Bell 412 in service. As much as I like the 412, I'll say me go for at minimum 10 more units of MI-17, 7 more units of MI-35M before the Bell 412.

Imagine the number of soldiers the MI-17 can carry.

We don't have the range for now, but remember that NAF fighter jets have operated from bases in Niger republic.

When we went to Mali our Fighter jets were based in Niger republic, when we went to Gambia, our jets were based in Senegal. So we really have options.

We need a 4+ generation aircraft, that's why I recommend we upgrade our F-7 jets, while we properly access our options.

I don't think the JF-17 is good enough for Nigeria.

After so many years of waiting, the JF-17 Thunder multirole 4th Gen fighter jet is coming to Nigeria.

Here are my thoughts on the purchase.


The JF-17 is a capable modern fighter jet, comparable in capabilities to the Gripen C/D version currently in service in South-Africa.

The JF-17 is a modern Chinese plane which is also produced in Pakistan by PAC. It is an all weather, day & night 4th Gen platform which has the capability to deliver almost all modern Chinese built air munitions, including dumb/ free fall bombs.

The fighter jet features an open design, so in theory can carry Western avionics, Chinese and Russian avionics as per customer requirements.

It has a top speed of mach 1.6, the jet features very modern EW systems, it can carrying targeting pods, air refueling capabilities and has 7 hard points.

It is powered by a single RD-93 (MIG-29 engine) delivering 19,000 lbf with after burner.

A good jet.

However, the JF-17 is a tad too late for a country like Nigeria.

The JF-17 does not provide the Nigerian Air Force with capabilities the service doesn't currently have. The threats Nigeria currently faces are asymmetrical in nature, Low Intensity Conflict.

For these threats we have Alpha Jets ( some upgraded with modern avionics), L-39, F-7NI, Super Tucanos and UCAVs.

So getting a JF-17 Block II which doesn't really add any special capability to our current inventory might not be the best decision.

Where Nigeria has a significant shortfall is in Air Policing, Air Defence, Air to Air combat.

In this area, the Nigerian Air Force only has F-7NI jets, a 3.5 Gen, MIG-21 derivative.

The JF-17 clearly outclasses the F-7NI, but in the age of the F-35, SU-57, SU-35 and Rafale, both jets (JF-17 and F-7NI) are dinosaurs of a by gone era.

Perhaps, this explains the decision why the Nigerian Air Force is getting only 3 units of the JF-17.

It also might explain the reason why the service is not in a hurry to get them.

Perhaps the Nigerian Air Force currently has eyes set on the JF-17 Block III, but then, apart from a lone prototype, the JF-17 Block III doesn't exist.

Even if the JF-17 Block III exists, it needs to reach FOC ( full operating capability) with it's country of origin before it can be considered for export.

It would have been much better if Nigeria invested the cash used in sourcing the JF-17 on additional MI-17 (12 units) and completed the order of MI-35M, while we upgraded the F-7NI's in service.


In my opinion the NAF should have waited for sometime, then procured the MIG-29M from Russia, perhaps 18 units.

The JF-17 is a capable 4th Gen jet, but I question the jet's relevance in the air battles of today.

marvin906:
Just three jets having this delay....

I think Nigeria only recently paid for the JF-17. As Pakistan only recently raised a sovereign wealth guarantee last year.

All the years since Amosu, the jet was under evaluation.

shadowprimezero:
I've really gone through the vehicle's architecture including from the previous pics, but I can't see the resemblance with the Saymar. This looks to be a Streit, specifically, some sort of variant of the Spartan mk III.

The vehicle Vs a Saymar's typical design.

You got it mixed up bro. I'm not referring to that vehicle. I was referring to the NIMASA APC.

The army vehicle is a streit. It looks like a Streit Spartan built in Jordan.

youghs:
Okay bro, thanks for the correction.
I thought you guys said the PF2 are to be used for the deep blue project

They were multiple reports, but as you can see, it hasn't materialized.

Nigerian Air Force JF-17