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kabe1:
The reason why I might not agree with you fully is because plans change.

I must admit I completely forgot about this news, however there are many things that still fall short.

Why I also agree with you is that the Nigerian navy's head of submarine unit detailed the exact type of submarine Nigeria should go for, and that information is also public knowledge. I will post the source later.

The reason I have decided against posting my source on this is because before you know what's happening, I'll see a tweet on twitter with grandiose claims about how Nigeria has ordered submarines.

I cannot be a party to the spread of false and malicious information.

However I can say that if Nigeria was ever going to procure a submarine in the next 5 - 10 years, navy planners would likely (with a high probability) go for the Type 214 submarine from Germany.

FieldMarshall06:
Nah,,, I am not wrong. To purchase means to order, but ships take years to build & deliver. But for the order, yes it has been ordered which is deduced from the 'finalized' plan.

Different people have different sources, but that is my source and I have shown it. A colleague describes the OPV as a frigate. Hence the toggle about 1 or 2 frigates. I have also heard about a pair of frigates, from close pals.

But at least, I did not fabricate the news or use Redditt games like @jln115 insinuated.

Anyway, we pray for more procurements.

It takes between 12 to 18 months to build and deliver a Frigate, Corvette or LST to a customer. In China, this time frame might even be shorter.

When you order something, you has gone through the stage of an RFQ, given a PO and made an advance payment. So no, you're not correct, Nigeria has not ordered any Frigate.

I have duly acknowledged that you provided a source.

Yes, it clears all doubt, you did not fabricate your news.

....But you also did not prove Nigeria ordered any Frigates.

chkil1:
i'm not saying he is wrong , just for myself i always wait for official contracts . if you check algerian army acquisition on blogs we have even the sukhoi 57 and nuclear missiles .

He has proven that Nigeria has a plan to procure a Frigate.

He told us Nigeria has purchased 2 Frigates, he has not proven any of these claims.

Yes, on the Frigate he is still wrong, but he has shown us a workable plan exists.

FieldMarshall06:
You are intelligent. If you look well, some items on that list have been ordered. Including the LST and specialized helicopter. Those are open news.

The reason why I might not agree with you fully is because plans change.

I must admit I completely forgot about this news, however there are many things that still fall short.

Why I also agree with you is that the Nigerian navy's head of submarine unit detailed the exact type of submarine Nigeria should go for, and that information is also public knowledge. I will post the source later.

I have also seen a recent Thisday source stating that the Nigerian navy is on the verge of receiving a new OPV.

We also know that Nigeria evaluated the LHD built by PT PAL.

The Navy's AW-139 and 3 x A109 new purchases.

However saying the navy has procured a Frigate or in your case 2 frigates from Germany is not true.

There is a plan to procure frigates as you have shown us, but none, absolutely none have been ordered.

Germany runs one of the most liberal governments in Europe, if you buy any military equipment from them, that information would be made public.

The Nigerian Navy needs $1.3 billion to acquire new hardware to secure its territorial waters, according to Navy Chief of Naval Staff (CNS) Vice-Admiral Ibok-Ete Ekwe Ibas, who is seeking the acquisition of at least five new ships.

Addressing a public hearing organised by the House of Representatives Committee on Maritime Safety and Administration, Ibas said the required long term acquisitions include a general-purpose frigate valued at $350 million, a long-endurance Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV) valued at $120 million, a medium-endurance OPV estimated at $60 million, a landing platform dock ship worth $350 million and a landing ship-tank valued $90 million.

Other required assets include a submarine worth $300 million, a Seaward Defence Boat (SDB) worth $10 million and a specialised naval security helicopter at an estimated cost of $25 million.

chkil1:
well from an unsigned blog post without a source , for myself I won't swallow the information right away , waiting a better source for a finalized contract

On this, I disagree with you bro.

Fieldmarshall06 is right, maybe not on the timeline per say, but he is definitely right.

Look at the procurement of the Nigerian navy.

SDB 3
LST
New OPV
4 x Helicopters.

The plan is coming to fruition.

Toju200:
thank you.i know of The $1bn plan the Navy met national assembly for.
I don't know if it's finalized yet...
So for me I won't take it too yet

It is from the $1.3 billion plan for security for the Nigerian navy.

It was supposed to be an extra-budgetry acquisition for the Nigerian navy.

The fact remains that @fieldmarshall06 provided his source, and for this he is right.

Nigerian army artillery

Model of Nigerian made Seaward Defence Boat on display, behind is the specifications sheet of the Epenal Gunboat.

Epenal Gunboats are the most widely used surface craft in service with the Nigerian navy. The navy currently has an estimated 500+ units in service.

2 x Nigerian army 155mm artilleries deployed in operations against BHT in the NE.

Nigerian Air Force A109K helicopter

South-African Air Force Super Lynx Helicopter

chkil1:
egyptian army show

What da hell is happening here?

Nigerian navy ships, NNS Thunder leading the ship formation during exercise Memo 2020

Exercise Grand African Nemo 2020

South-African special forces

jteku:
I came across this this APC today, can anyone ID.

Panhard M3 APC.

marvin906:
so can we call the 075 a mini aircraft carrier

In theory, it can carry fixed wing aircrafts, so yes it is an aircraft carrier.

Hennynitan:
They are repainting the OPV. Was it centenary or Properity they moved to dry dock

That's NNS Aradu undergoing refit.

Nigerian built naval fuel barge. 55 meters long, sea going.

marvin906:
isn't this similar with the Algeria Navy own..
that can carry just helicopters..

Yes, similar, but the Type 075 is 97 meters longer than the Algerian navy ship.

The Type 075 and Egypt's mistral LHD are in the same class. Even the Mistral carries far less equipment than the Type 075.

chkil1:
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so lets stop here . you shared your arguments , jln put his arguments , readers will make their own opinion . no need to write 10 page about this sterile subject .

Perfecto!!

Gracias mi amigo!!

PLAN Type 075 LHD

Would we ever see an LHD in Nigerian navy service?

Obviously not possible except our economy grows to a minimum 2 trillion dollars in value & defence budget goes to 47 billion dollars, but it would be nice to see ships like this in our navy, locally built of course.

FieldMarshall06:
So, the 40yrs old MEKO 360 Aradu has more yer to win that title from the Aradu. And which African navy has such ship?

Stupid boy.

Apply some common sense, you can make your comment without insulting others.

iblawi:
This is really bad and not expected from you.

Both side have their claims which makes it interesting but they argue from different angles.

A 2003 corolla is better that a 1980 Camry when it comes to technology. It might even be bigger than the Camry in size but that doesn't make the Camry less than a corolla.

Aradu is old just as the technology is old. Refitting Aradu with recent tech cost almost twice the price of new Meko200.

A recent corolla will have a lot of features that the a 1980 Camry doesn't have.

To be sincere it might be better in everything because of the improvements in technology over time. and for this reason the other guys too have a point.
So Aradu can't do what the meko200 will do because it will carry better sensors, sonar, radar, weapons generally even the helicopter.


This is what the original argument was about and they both have points.

Infact, the original argument which was very educative to see the arguments of both sides was that Aradu is or could be considered to be a Destroyer more than a Frigate.

It was not about which is more modern than the other.

Looking at the definition of a Destroyer, what capabilities does the Aradu bring in, Dragon2 was arguing that based on the Aradu's full spectrum capability, one could argue that during her hay days, she was a Destroyer. Also remember that the Nigerian navy had 2 or 3 ASW dedicated lynx helicopters also embarked on the Aradu.

It was interesting to read the arguments of both sides.

In my opinion I don't think the Aradu is a Destroyer, but you can see that while the US navy classifies the WASP which carries up to 24 units of 5th Generation fighter jets as an LHD, the Queen Elizabeth which carries practically the same complement of F-35s is classified as an Aircraft carrier.

So, there is an important, educative argument to be had. Just like with the Aradu Destroyer argument.

jln115:
Don't come spewing garbage and expect people to just eat it up.... Difference of opinion is one thing, talking utter rubbish is another.

So because you don't agree with him, that gives you the right to insult him?

Should I now insult you any chance I get, that'll be OK right?

One of the reasons I don't like to post in this thread is because of ignorant people and their gang up/bring him down mentality.

...Because you don't agree with a thread contributor's opinion doesn't give you the right to insult that person.

State your opinion and leave it at that. Don't go insulting others.

lionel4power:
you and the other nicompoo have finally disgraced your ancestry.

are you happy now?

The utter stupidity of this comment, and the effrontery for you of all people, a known dullard, to insult others beggers belief.

You have never had an individual thought, you don't research, all you do is copy and paste in that fraud of a blog you claim to run.

Don't insult people, everyone has the right to air a differing opinion, it allows for an intellectual refreshing debate.

Of course you don't know this, since all you do is copy & paste.

JF17Thunder:
As sanctions were expected, Turkey has been building their own engine to be fitted with the T-129s for Pakistan.

How does Turkey, a major components importer suddenly have the know-how to build helicopter engines?

The T-129 for Pakistan is frozen, until the US can lift sanctions imposed on Turkey. Again I don't see this happening soon.

Nigerian made mine resistant vehicle proudly showing battlefield scares gained from dispatching terrorists in the Northeast area of operation.

Nigerian navy NNS Zaria riding the waves.

Toju200:
if you tell am e go block you.. he did it to me...
We many

It is shocking.

According to him, this is Seaward Defence Boat 3.

Despite enough evidence to the contrary, this private security boat is SDB3.

I mean, this willful act to lie and propagate falsehood on twitter to thousands of followers is a national security risk.

He needs to desist from that act.

Bidexiii even copied that game list from his twitter page and posted it on the other thread.

It's embarrassing.