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FieldMarshall06:
When we hear an info like the one I gave, we should keep an open mind, not argue what we don't know.

You can purchase tanks in secret, IFVs and MRAPs in secret, but not Frigates.

FieldMarshall06:
This poster is aware of the frigate program.
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There is a Navy plan that includes frigate purchases. It's in the navy's strategic 10 year plan which has been updated over time.

However the claim that the navy has ordered frigates already is simply not obtainable.

lebuhsi:
my same dilemma, of the $1bn, released as an intervention fund for extra budgetary capital for the military, as of last year July a little over $800m was already expended

https://www.thecable.ng/presidency-1bn-security-fund-withdrawn-eca-spent/amp

no mention of frigates, so was wandering were the 'nigerian frigate program' fits in

Lynx helicopters?? From where again?

I believe the navy would purchase frigates after the LST has been delivered, not sooner.

lebuhsi:
...but how sure are you about this?

The navy are renowned to be very transparent about their acquisition process, even sometimes down to a pin!


We know(knew), about the LST, the hydrological vessel, SDBIII, refitting our missile boats, RHIBs, it seems rather strange the NN would purchase 2 FRIGATES!!!..and nobody hears about it, or are we getting them from N.Korea?

I don't believe the Nigerian navy is getting any new frigates. The Navy & Air Force usually release statements, multiple statements on procurement plans.

2 Frigates is a big ticket purchase, and cannot be hidden. If Nigeria was getting 2 new frigates we would know about it.

We know from Thisday newspapers that Nigeria is getting a new Offshore Patrol Vessel.

Perhaps the biggest clue that Nigerian navy is not getting any new frigates is simply because our budget cannot afford it.

The Nigerian navy is getting 1 AW-139 helicopter, 1 hydrographic ship, 1 LST, 1 OPV, 1 SDB, 2 x 40 meters vessels and 2 x logistics barges.

How can we afford 2 Frigates giving our current budget with the above purchase?............ It's simply not possible.

FieldMarshall06:
Now

They are the same thing.

FieldMarshall06:
Before

Clearly explain it, as both before and after pictures look the same to me.

FieldMarshall06:
Okay. I was looking at Aradu in the pic, and it seems like her missiles were replaced.

If you look well, you may notice the missile launchers are differenf from the former launchers. I need to investigate more, that is the reason I wanted the video.

There are multiple images of Aradu you can use to compare available online.

However from the most recent reports, Aradu has lost her fighting capability and would only enter back to service as an OPV.

We should look at purchasing a minimum of 3 new ships, a frigate and 2 corvettes. A couple missile boats too.

FieldMarshall06:
Nice. Those pics you posted are not from the linked Youtube video. Could you share the specific video please.

Unfortunately, no video.

Nigerian Navy helicopter conducting SAR exercise with an EO pod attached.

Nigerian Navy exercise

Nigerian Navy conducts multiple exercises at sea



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuSLqtGjNnw

dragon2:
Concerning MAD( Mutually Assured Destruction). It takes one mad man to launch one nuke to toss (MAD) into the gutter. There have been many mad leaders in the past.

My point is, there are multiple methods of warhead delivery, as such no one will win.

Hence if leaders understood this at the height of the cold war, it won't happen today when the world is far more interconnected.

dragon2:
The future of warfare is not drones,the future of warfare cannot be a platform but rather a system. In our age it is AI enhanced electronic/spectrum warfare with space being the high ground. Sending the enemy back to the 1940's while maintaining your advantage will win your the war against a peer adversary. Very early on in a major peer war, kinetic kill missiles will take out all near earth satellites leaving deep space units. Submarines will cut ALL enemy deep sea optical fibre cables. The airwaves will be saturated with hostile electronic broadcast. Drones will be taken out by hacking, disorientation, disruption of communication with base station using active EW; or Passive radar (PESA) which will pick up its communication and vector SAM batteries, fighter aircraft or ground infantry with a shoulder mounted SAM to the target drone. EMP weapons will be everywhere. Drones will find it hard to survive such hostile EM environments unless closely followed by an aerial support unit with ISTAR,SIGINT. However, such units will be subject to being hit by long range AA missiles.
My 2kobo.

I disagree with this. The future of warfare is network and communication.

The party that sees first, kills first.

There would never be a great power war. All the major countries understand this. There will never be economic sanctions on a great power that will lead to direct war between great powers. The reality of MAD makes certain of this.

If the Cuban missile crisis did not lead to war between the US & the USSR, nothing would make today's world powers go to war with each other.

So the kind of military confrontation you are describing above is not going to occur. That's more of a great power confrontation.

Which leaves only conflict against lower peer countries who might have some of the capabilities you have described.

War on extremist ideology

Political conflict

Civil wars

LICW, insurgency, terrorism and revolutionary wars.

Hence the future of warfare is network centric. The army that can pick up, see and deploy technology faster has a higher probability of victory in the warfare of the future.

Toju200:
I thought it would be flown by NN then the Special mission Aircrafts will be flown by NAF

You're correct.

Brand New AW-109 helicopter for NIMASA Deep Blue Project spotted flying in Italy.

The helicopters would be flown by the Nigerian Navy.

Upgrade Nigerian Air Force Alpha Jet avionics.

Work done completely in Nigeria.

This means the Alpha Jets can fly day & night attacks. SFO can now call in airstrikes, send GPS coordinates of their loc to fighter pilots and those jets are sure of getting there accurately.

Various pictures from Nigeria.

jteku:
CBN yakubu Gowon way Kaduna

Ok, thanks.

Nigerian Air Force

Whyem15:
Russia has been resupplying Armenia through Iran, Russia can't do more than that as both countries are former soviet republics and Russia has hopes of swaying both countries to its side. They want to have more countries like Belarus around them.
It seems as if US is on Azerbaijan's side. The loitering munitions widely used by Azerbaijan is made in Israel and several cargo planes have made trips between Israel and Azerbaijan since the war began. In fact Armenia has recalled her Ambassador to Israel in protest to continued Israeli arming and support for Azerbaijan. Washington can stop that but Washington is not willing to. Washington can enforce an arms embargo on Azerbaijan but Washington has her own games.
When Armenia stops siting on the fence and picks a side between Russia and US, they will get the benefit of a trusted and loyal ally.
It took Russia less than a day to deploy two plane loads of troops after Bolton threatened Venezuela and two US bombers harrased the country.
The politics in this war is far beyond religion.

In addition to what you have said, until Armenia proper is attacked, I don't think Russia would openly support Armenia.

As you have said, both countries are former soviet republics, so it's a balancing act for Russia.

Like we've seen in Eastern Ukraine, drones, even armed ones are not a problem for Russia. I just feel like the Russians want to see how this develops.

SANDF

RemoveKebab:
you are not getting my point and you going totally off point.
the drones Azeris are using is it domestic made? Is it not turkey who supplied state of the act drones or even piloting them to weaken Armenian defense lines. why not let them fight with what you yourself posted there. can't Russia help Armenians as a reliable ally supply for example Tunguska AAs in this desperate time. This look like Armenia vs Azerbaijan and turkey. That why I gave an example of a reliable big brother like The US is doing in Taiwan against the mighty china.

And for the record if Nigerian politicians are ready to end war on terror it will end in a single night because they are feeding fat from it, so sorry to tell you it will get worst for now.
So I can't waste my feelings on a nation deceiving its self, I can only feel for the frontline soldiers wose lives are been used as a commodity fuel the business venture.

This is Nairaland, not Armenia land.

Take your whining and Crying to Armenia or Russia land.

RemoveKebab:
I pray Armenia find a reliable big brother like the U.S is doing in Israel, taiwan and rest.
Russia is no reliable one. Forget what they did in Syria, it was only for their economic survival to keep asad in power so as to secure their supply of gas to Europe and to deter Saudis from building a gas pipe through syria to Europe.

I really feel for them because of the genocide that almost wipe them out in the past orchestrated by the same ottoman Turkey while Russia still yet did nothing then.

No offence, but this is a nonsensical comment?

What about the deaths in Nigeria, didn't 30 security personnel recently die during the 2 ambushes of Zullum's convoy.

Nigerians seem to cry over things that are superficial, we have an active reoccurring security problem in Nigeria. You're here feeling for Armenians.

Armenia and Azerbaijan are both armed, with militaries fielding state of the art weaponry.

It's a war between peer to peer countries.

The Nigerian military, Navy, Army & Air Force need to budget massively for UCAVs. They are the present.

youghs:
lol. I hope he's serious about this one.

Where is the infrastructure, it's not possible.

Odunayaw:
Along with Radar they can go into Radios/Comms.

Big business

I'm more excited about the UAV capabilities. With the current war ongoing in Armenia, UCAVs are very important.

jteku:
I guess CBN are beginning to adopt PF2 in its convoy, probably will phase out the armoured landrovers.

Proforce seems to be doing quite a lot of business in Nigeria. Which is good.

I like the PF2, which state is this?

This doesn't look like Abuja.

youghs:
wait. I'm confused, did he just say they wanted to start building frigate this year if not for covid. Do they have the capability?

or is there another thing called frigate

They obviously don't have the capability to build a Frigate.

I think he might be referring to a large patrol boat.

some additional hardware from Proforce Nigeria.

Radar

Armed UAVs

Patrol Vessels.

Nigerian Air Force

FieldMarshall06:
Nah. After the third one is completed by December. We should be planning for a Corvette of 55-70m length and over 1000 tons. Fully armed, ocean going vessel and suitable for combat.

That should be our target now, not building more SDBs. My opinion.

Do we have the technical expertise to build missile armed ships?

I doubt it for the following reasons;

1 - We've not had an operational or modern missile armed ship for a long time.

2- We don't have a blueprint to build on. Luerssen FPB57 Fast Patrol Boat was a platform from which NNS Andoni was built.

3- Seaward Defence Boat 3 has shown that we can build modern ships, but building a missile armed vessels comes with it's unique complexities.

I don't mind Nigeria building more, but larger SDBs, we have a vast area that needs constant patrolling. We just need to build them faster.

Nigerian Air Force

Breaking News : Nigerian Navy to receive new OPV

Fleet Renewal

Under the Buhari Administration, the Nigerian Navy witnessed extensive procurement of platforms of different types and mix. The government funded the procurement of 267 flat bottomed, assault, rigid hull, riverine patrol and whaler boats. Importantly, about 170 of these riverine patrol boats were built in-country, thus complementing indigenous shipbuilding capacity, employment generation and skills acquisition.


Following the successful commissioning of a second locally built Seaward Defence Boat (SDB) NNS KARADUWA in 2016, local-shipbuilding is being further enhanced through the indigenous construction of a 43m SDB and two logistic supply vessels which are programmed to join the service later this year 2020.

The navy has also deployed 12 Naval Security Stations along the nation’s coastline in areas prone to illegalities under the Choke Point Regime and Control operations.

Additionally, this administration facilitated the procurement of 25 fast attack craft, seaward defence boats and inshore patrol craft. Furthermore, one survey ship, one offshore patrol vessel and one landing ship tank are being expected to join the Nigerian Navy fleet soon while one AW 139 Leonardo helicopter has already been delivered.

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2020/09/30/towards-an-enhanced-secure-maritime-environment/amp/?__twitter_impression=true