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[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=713435.msg8720118#msg8720118 date=1310696925]what does this mean?[/quote]Why are you asking me? You should know more about this more than me

Pastor AIO:
Okay, I get you.  It is okay to not rely on God (Allah) if your alternative is physical/material like drugs for healing or a sword for self defence, but if the alternative is spiritual then that is wrong and you must only depend on allah. 

So the atheist that runs to his doctor is better than the pagan who runs to his onisegun.

Are you suggesting that there is not spirit world in christianity?  How is Islam more 'spiritual' than christianity?

What is this? HUH? The man asked  about Islam not Christianity? How did I suggest anything about Christianity? Are there not Christians also going to babas?
If you are a pagan or these herbalists are what you believe in, then I cannot say nothing about that because it is your belief system but you cannot be doing both whether you are muslim, christian or jew.
Do you realize that the same word in the NT that is used for sorcery/witchcraft is the same word used for medicine.  Namely, Pharmakos(this was never a witch but a scapegoat when disaster happens who is expelled out of the commuinity as a sort of purification and it was an ancient greek practice). In other words a pharmacist is a winch according to biblical thinking. 
So someone that goes to seek cures from plant is a witch? These types of cures have been around since biblical times and even before the biblical times. This is how people survived in the olden days because of these people just now they have advanced with how they make this.

Even in yoruba it is the same word.  Oogun is medicine and it is magic.  Perhaps your separation of physical and spiritual is what is wrong and that the ancients did not think of it like the way that you do.

I find that science explains the world in one way and religion explains in another and science makes more sense and has evidences, but in life many have to have a spiritual belief in something so they can be at peace and have morality in their lives be it it paganism, Christianity, buddism, islam etc.
I do not have anything wrong with anyones belief system but I referred to herbalists(the priests) as haram in islam because they seek something other than God.
I do not see anything wrong in herbalist who find cure from plants and nature who heals because in the bible it says God  is the healers of all but when many are sick and go to the pastor for healings they are never healed instead they are told it is because they do not have enough faith.
God gave someone the brain to seek cures from plants so why not go to that person?
[quote author=PAGAN  9JA link=topic=713435.msg8722514#msg8722514 date=1310734274]maybe he means Orunmila

true. as i said before, Paganism is very much conected with the sciences, nature and the workings of the Universe.

now apart from all these known facts, can someone please tell me why does islam and d quraan propagate Jinns or spirits when they r supposed to reject it this shows that they were still scared of heresy againt the old religions.[/quote]Well jinns are inbetweeners, made by God who also have freewill(According to quran).  Abraham religions have paganistic(if I can use that word) influences to them and I believe jinns were also part of the pagan religion practiced in Saudi at that time.

Is it not out of 300? 145 out of 300? That is not a good mark. .

eh heeh! Now we are on the same page. .

^^Yes, if a person practices that as a religion. . . You cannot be in two. .Going to the mosque calling Allah's name and then going back home calling the almighty arowolo.

Abeg

I see, you are a pagan. . .

There are two different types of herbalist

1: someone that finds herbs to cure from trees, nature etc
2: someone that finds herbs through spiritual entities which the Op is talking about.(Seeking the oracle/ asking to bring 5 goats to sacrifice so the mighty god of orowolo can show him the cure)

^^Why not go to God directly? Have we not passed the age where you have to go through man to get through to God?

Ah, jare, I was only kidding na. .Jeez chill. .


Well, you might think that it is basics, but for some they don't even know what carbon monoxide is or its effects.

Charley, it is a sin and you will burn in hell fayah if you do not start jelosin. .When your girlfriend comes home late, do not let her in tell her to go to the man she is coming from. .If she talks back give her a good slap. .

If you do not do this you will go to hell. .Start jelosin, my friend!

^^Fine yes pray but was it not God that gave doctors the brain to heal too?

^^You nor see ar write am? Abi, you go google fos wetin e mean en come say you suspect carbon monoxide?

lool

luxoire:
hahahahahaaha - this thread funny - cut your coat according to your material - lol - hahaha you set the precedence so continue it

That is not how the saying goes. . .

lool, has it turn into programming now?


I don't know. .I do not go around looking for someone that is good for me but look through the men that come and see which one is right for me. .

Spiritual? Abeg, go find another doctor to diagnose you if not change to a different medication maybe you are immune to the one they gave you. .

I just try to see if she is on facebook and she isn't. .Has she gone into hiding?

EzeUche:
You must be talking about the author Salman Rushdie.

Boko Haram needs to be dealt with.

Yes, that is him and his book the satanic verses

Oh hell. .Raising a fatwa because of a facebook message? I should watch my mouth from now on don't know how many of them are on N/L. .

Is she in Nigeria. .People should protest sha, I remember when a book was written about the prophet in the 80s. . .Gosh, what is the name again anyways supreme one of Iran raised a fatwa on the author. .

Paris it is no difference. .Animistic practices have been going on in cultures for years and it is going to be hard for people to just drop it even though they are in another religion so they try to incorporate in with their now religions. .

Pastor AIO, you have to understand these fetishes are not part of this world, they are spiritual entities. Which we are basically worshipping, many believe in it more than the spiritual power of God. .You are using spiritual forces that are not Godly. .

^^Why would you need to carry Gun? Are you in a war zone?

Lets say your Louis Vuitton is real. .Did you know that they are selling you their discards?


These designers work in a triangle cut in three sections. .At the top you have the section where millionaires order things and get it made to fit them. . .In the middle is what you see in the shops, all left out for all these shoppers who want to spend more 5000. Then you have the bottom section, little things like belts, purses, etc these are the discarded fabrics they try to sell to the normal society so they too can fit in for like a 100, 150 etc. .

So, do not come to me acting you wear designer if you bought it for 100, 200 because those are discard fabrics they have used to make small, small things.