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SHYTE HOLE COUNTRY!

How won’t Africans catch EBOLA?
He touched that “creature of the wild” with his bare hands?

With excitement too?
WTF? ? ?

SHYTE HOLE COUNTRY!

Nigeria na REREEEAAAAL SHYTE HOLE!

Gbam!

Even LIBYA is better by 200%.

Trump was RIGHT!
SHCs!

*SHYTE HOLE COUNTRIES*

Nigeria = DORTY GIANT OF AFRICA!

AgentOfAllah:
You do not owe me any answers, so I am in no position to adjudge your answers as acceptable or otherwise. I'm just really curious about your posture, that's all. Having said that, I don't think you have fully answered my questions, and if you have, then your answers have only left me more confused, which is why I ask more questions.


As is your entitlement.


I don't think so. Something "nebulous", by definition, lack characteristics. How do you 'characterise' something without 'characteristics'?


This wasn't really my question. Put in different words, my question was: why are you a theist, when you admit that your god is unknown and undefined? That is, how do you believe in something you don't know exists?
Going back to your example, however, it is conceded that you cannot fully define me, but you can infer some of my characteristics from our interactions. For example, you know that I am probably human because I have thus far, sustained a coherent conversation with you, you know that I am probably an agnostic atheist from an earlier comment of mine, you also know that I am excessively curious because I keep pestering you with silly questions. So you can, in fact, partially define me. Is there any single thing that makes you believe that this god of yours exists for you to believe in it?


Yes, this is true for us both!


I wholeheartedly agree, and if there's been any misapprehensions about my intent, then I should state clearly that I do not intend to impose any sort of belief on you. I'm just a terribly curious person; but, as I mentioned earlier, you don't owe me any answers. I should also mention that there is always a non-trivial probability that someone will pick interest in the things you post on public fora, so I hope my curiosity doesn't irritate you.

I repeat.

KanwuliaExtra:
All religions NEVER appealed to me because of the levels of contradictions in the teachings and blatant hypocrisy of the followers.

I am happily Agnostic.
I have had peace believing what I believe to form a unique philosophical mind.

I simply take ONLY THE GOOD in all teachings or RELIGIONS and live my life.

No preaching or conversions necessary.

The only GOD I know is the one in my heart.
The one I can question without fear.
The one I don’t have to love or respect BY FORCE!

The GOD in my heart I try to understand, because IT is just as complex as I am.


If you have a mind that is filled with curiosity and refreshing perspectives, please represent yourselves.

BEFORE YOU POST IGNORANTLY, GOOGLE THE TERM AGNOSTICISM.
All other believers please respect yourselves!

E.O.D.

AgentOfAllah:
Haha...it's not my opinion. I asked the question, and you affirmed, so it's actually your opinion.


I don't get why anyone should characterise something which they are unsure of its existence. Shouldn't the first step be ascertaining its existence?


Yeah, and there's a reason they all fail woefully: Despite their tenacious posturing, they don't know that god(s) exist(s), do they?

What I don't get is this; why do you consider yourself a theist, given the nebulous nature of this personal god. You don't even have a definition for it, but you believe in it. Don't you think that's absurd?

I have answered all these questions and my answers are not acceptable by you.
I already explained that I believe in possibilities ACCEPTABLE BY ME.
If you can describe the nature of any “God” as “nebulous”, is that not a form of characterization?

How can I define something that is unknown to me?
You exist I presume, but DO I KNOW YOU?

I am not in the “converting” business.
No need for “cyclical” arguments.
You are entitled to your opinions, and cannot ? them.

In summary:
Everyone chooses what to believe.
Life is all about choice.
Have a great day.

AgentOfAllah:
Yeah, my meaning was the former.

So in any case, if 'god' is basically just a synonym for 'ignorance', why do you call yourself a theist? What has ignorance got to do with theism?

God is not a synonym for ignorance. That is your opinion.

The nature/s of “ALL GODS” are unknown. Even if or where they exist, they remain unknown.

The best anyone can do is ATTEMPT to characterize them.

That is what pastors, prophets and imams try to do and FAIL WOEFULLY as they deceive and mislead the gullible followers.

AgentOfAllah:
Okay. So it appears then, that "god" is synonymous with "ignorance". Is that so?

Yes, from an Agnostic-Theist’s view point.
Unknown - Ignorance.
I DO NOT KNOW!

https://www.google.com/search?q=ignorance+definition&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

In this sense?

ig·no·rance
ˈiɡnərəns/Submit
noun

lack of knowledge or information.
"he acted in ignorance of basic procedures"
synonyms: incomprehension of, unawareness of, unconsciousness of, unfamiliarity with, inexperience with, lack of knowledge about, lack of information about; informalcluelessness about
"a statement that shows a complete ignorance of the regulations” lack of knowledge, lack of education, unenlightenment,

YES!

In this sense?

illiteracy;
lack of intelligence, stupidity, foolishness, idiocy

NO!

TPH.

JI is a little too “HIPPY”.
The dress is not meant for “chubbiness”!

AgentOfAllah:
Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification. Out of curiosity, could you speculate on what happens to each personal god when death strikes the host/believer? Also, if the god is unknown or unknowable, what practical purpose does it serve for you?

Life and the existence of “God” ends with DEATH.
There is no life or the concept of “God” or spirituality after death. My opinion.

The purpose of an unknown “God” is to fill a void of of intellectual/spiritual curiosity. Like trying to solve a challenging puzzle about the world I live in. Just a choice.

sacluxisback:
Doesn't the average naija babe ask for money? All join.

Besides define a real life using yours as example.

I have indulged you enough.
Back to YOUR level please AND STAY THERE.
I nor JOIN.
All the BEST!

sacluxisback:
Ok negro.

And your advice is?

To get a life!
A real LIFE.
Stop acting like you are younger than Mark Zuckerberg.

You attract what YOU are. Money for hand, BACK FOR H-INSAI BUSH RELATIONSHIPS.

If you stop giving that “KPOM” money, you go smell the “sweet toto”? You are paying for SEX! You might as well start your own PIMPING INDUSTRY ke! Tufiakwa!

Your mates are building academic and economics EMPIRES and you are here talking about TOTO?
You nor dey SSSSSHHHHHAAAAAAAMMMMMMMEEEEEE?

Shioooooooor!

The word virgin as been super abused I swear.
Even where the mouth and anus have been bastardized, people will still claim “virginity”!

Is the PUSSIE gonna be sweet for ever?
Please, take your life seriously.
You sound very immature.

You are not a husband material, neither is she a wife material. You both sound REALLY LOCAL, lack the basic emotional infrastructure to make a relationship work, and no common sense. Don’t even talk about the JOB called marriage.

Off and on relationships are suited for phock-buddies only.

You are not qualified for marriage and please, don’t bring a miserable child into this kind of diabolical union. As soon as she gets pregnant and has a child, that poosie will SOUR FAST!

A money-grabbing hood rat and a perverted libertine getting married to produce what kind of child?

Foolish girl.
No skill but to PHOCK at 19 trying to escape poverty.

As you took your legs into that marriage, you get out of it.

As for your 16 year-old sister, I don’t blame her at all. It is the life you ALL are accustomed to.

Opening your legs for any DUNCE who promises you a bag of “goody-goody”!

Nor be “BENUE STATE”?
Mtcheeeeeeeeeeeeew

Still on “SHYTE-HOLE” countries and their medioCRYPTIC existence.

Trump my man!
Come smell some SHYTE here o.
Their mates are finding cures for debilitating diseases, (SHCs) are spending time sniffing “rancid azzes caked with “cheap semen”!


Nonsense!

hakeem4:
agnosticism or Gnosticism means knowledge, while atheism theism and deism are beliefs

Yes. The quest for knowledge regarding the belief that “Deities” do or do not exist.

Hmmmmmm!!!
See MOF?
(MOTHER OF FIVE)!!!!
WOOOOOOOW!!!!

Thumbs up!
HBD!!!! Beautiful.

Blonchilli:
KanwuliaExtra from what I understand about Agnosticism they don't believe in 'Personal God'.

All about interpretation.
It could be personal or a universal “God”. Up to the INDIVIDUAL Agnostic to make the rules. It is not a “group” experience. It is an individual, philosophical exercise.

Blonchilli:
They believe that the existence of God is unknown or unknownable. It's more like after trying to understand a topic and seeing it's complications finally decide that 'he might or might not exist but there's a supernaturall entity'. Keyword are 'supernatural and divine'.

In Agnosticism, there is a wide range of interpretations aka perceptions. The reason we have Agnostic-Theists and Agnostic-Atheists.

It is what the individual says IT IS.
Divine, maybe. All up to the INDIVIDUAL.
I don’t call my “Agnostic Deity” divine. It cannot be defined even where I think it exists. The reason Agnostic-Theists keep looking for answers. l have not found it YET.

Blonchilli:
The term 'Personal God' and 'picking the good from every religion' sounds atheist. You believe in yourself KanwuliaExtra from what I observe not in some divine being.

Your interpretation. I choose what I want to believe. Yes, I believe in myself and I believe in THE POSSIBILITY of something of a HIGHER INTELLIGENCE out there/in me that contributes to my wellbeing. The “ENTITY” and I are in an ever-evolving and dynamic relationship. I always ask questions and can never be in AWE, pray or show respect if I don’t want to. I DO NOT KNOW OR UNDERSTAND IT! Simple. I am never gonna FAKE that.

Blonchilli:
An agnostic would pray in the morning but still do all he can to succeed, a religious person would pray and hand over all to God, while an atheist would walk out that door and believe he/she is the master of his/her fate. Keywords are entity, divine, supernatural, creation and existence of a god-like entity

Agnostics ask questions, not pray. Agnostic-Theist only give THANKS and express JOY OR SADNESS to a “chosen GOD” if the feelings arose. We do what WE PLEASE because WE WANT TO!

Agnostics and Atheists do not rely on any being to succeed like people with “established religions”.
The differences are as follows:

(A.Ts)=Agnostic-Theists.
(A.As)=Agnostic-Atheists.


1. Religious followers believe “it is in the hands of God”, and they may work or remain docile towards achieving their goals in life.

2. The Agnostic-Atheist does not believe in the existence of any divine being, and works to achieve life’s goals independently.

3. The Agnostic-Theist, like the Agnostic-Atheist is self-believing. But, while working to achieve personal/spiritual/philosophical goals, the A.Ts are BELIEVERS OF THE POSSIBILITIES in “SOME GOD” that is UNKNOWN. The A.T. ASKS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHATEVER GOD he/she chooses to recognize and seeks some understanding not provided by ANY OTHER RELIGION.

Both however, can NEVER LEAVE THINGS IN THE HANDS OF ANY “GOD” that is UNKNOWN(A.Ts.) or DOES NOT EXIST.(A.As).

Where money go ooooooo, governors go!
After closed-door meeting tinz!

Trump was right. REAL SHYTE HOLES!
Shalanga Countries.
Buhari over to you!
SHYTE HEAD!

Trump was right. REAL SHYTE HOLES!
Buhari over to you!
SHYTE HEAD!

AgentOfAllah:
To be clear, is it your meaning that while you have no knowledge of the existence of any god per se, you believe that one exists? That's how I would interpret the posture of an agnostic-theist.


Anytime!

Oh yes. I believe I have a personal “God”.
The nature/s of the so-called “existing Gods” remains/remain enigmatic.

No 2 persons have the same “God”.
The reason I don’t believe in “fellowships”.

Proudgorgeousga:
example? cos I haven't seen it.

Thank you oooooooooh!

Acidosis:
on Nairaland

Still waiting for proof.
I only ? the nature of the existence of deities in religions and the lack of consistency and RATIONALITY in the doctrines they propagate through their so-called prophets, messangers and believers. That is what agnostic-theists do.

Thank you.

AgentOfAllah:
Granted, both aren't the same, but the are also not mutually exclusive. I'm an agnostic atheist for example. As a matter of fact, I'm an atheist precisely because of my agnosticism.

I agree. I guess I am an agonistic-theist then.
Thanks for the clarification.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism

Yes.

Atheism is NOT Agnosticism!
They are 2 different things.
Please, educate YOURSELF.
Thanks in advance.

To be continued.

List of great agnostics.
Looking for BLACK AGNOSTICS.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_agnostics

Let me help you a little.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism

Agnosticism is the view that the existence of God, of the divine or the supernatural is unknown or unknowable.[1][2][3]

According to the philosopher William L. Rowe, "agnosticism is the view that human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that God exists or the belief that God does not exist".[2] Agnosticism is a doctrine or set of tenets[4] rather than a religion.

All religions NEVER appealed to me because of the levels of contradictions in the teachings and blatant hypocrisy of the followers.

I am happily Agnostic.
I have had peace believing what I believe to form a unique philosophical mind.

I simply take ONLY THE GOOD in all teachings or RELIGIONS and live my life.

No preaching or conversions necessary.

The only GOD I know is the one in my heart.
The one I can question without fear.
The one I don’t have to love or respect BY FORCE!

The GOD in my heart I try to understand, because IT is just as complex as I am.


If you have a mind that is filled with curiosity and refreshing perspectives, please represent yourselves.

BEFORE YOU POST IGNORANTLY, GOOGLE THE TERM AGNOSTICISM.
All other believers please respect yourselves!

Hmmmmmmm
Busy body 2018!
OP! Na wetin consine you?