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Emusan: Read page 4, I know you're always carried away whenever you're reading.


Where your own ignorance now pass my own is when you believe mathematisc fall from heaven.

This particular portion of your post really shows that you're not a science student.
@bold-Math is what true about nature that no man can change. Axiomatic symbol by who? You started this with 'Mathematical truth' which I made a comment base on mathematics but you said you're talking about 'Mathematical truth'. Now you base your explanation on mathematic but let me agree with you.

You said 'it is abstract language', i said 'it is independent of experiment' what is the different between them? because I include 'human thought' can human do without thinking? I got the defination from Robbert Tubbs who wrote "mathematics concept and its origin". Is there anything in this universe that doesn't have origin?


Please leave this atheist life an seek for wisdom is affecting you negatively. Anything that goes up must surely comes down. It's an abstract language in universe but who define it or can you change it? Whether you like it or not the +, -, 1, 2, 3 e.t.c are human symbols to carry out intended purpose. I will ask you again, who are the founder of mathematics?


I have made it cleared that all my claims about information are from UDI (Universal Defination of Information).

If you like continue using the word to deceive the girl, I don't care! once it's outside or lack one of the four atttributes of information, is not an information by UDI.

I expressly told you Mathematics/Mathematical truths have NO cause or creators, yet you ask me about a founder?!! Puzzling.

As I said earlier, if mathematical truths determine the relationship and nature btw space, time, etc; how is it possible for such truths to be human inventions. If 1+1 = 2 is a human invention, then I can reinvent 1+1 to mean 23!

The independence is glaring. Your UDI definition ought to be in the gutter.

Pastor Olu T: Since you do not know all about life, it shows that you/man is limited in knowledge and should never use his limited know to judge what he does not know.

There are 1001 things science do not know and can not prove, this does not make it irrelevant to us and also science never disprove the existence of God but rather compliment it if you are sincere enough to see it.

The truth remains that even we Christians cant claim we know all about God which is why we falter at times, but that does not change the fact that He is, and our not knowing Him fully proves His deity because if we had He will cease to become God.

Thia is not saying that we are worshiping Him blindly, because thank God for the bible which makes us know enough to be able put our trust in Him and worship.

in short you are not so sure who God is, right? Is God imcomprehensible?

That's the only step? Any Catholic with the desire and the motivation can go to a seminary

No I dont

What are the requirement for priesthood. What special steps does an outsider take to become a priest?

Emusan: What is your problem? You main mention about 'mathematical truth' which I asked you to define but you couldn't provide a senesible explanation. Let me orientate you how 'mathematical truth' derives its name. "Mathematics-can be refers to as "human thought" that is independent of experiment". Meaning someone don't need to put it into experimental condition before it proves true, is called 'mathematical truth'.

Example: an object and another object are more than a object. But for you to express it in a clear and understandable way you must include human code.

1 is a figure generated by human
+ is a sign generated by human
= is a sign generated by human

All of these are human code to express HUMAN thought.
Remeber, thoughts are immaterials
Get wisdom Mr. Kay

You never asked me to define mathematics, rather you asked for an example which I gave you.

The big error you are making obviously out of ignorance is believing mathematics is a human invention. It is similar to believing Reason is man made.

Mathematics is abstract language of the Universe. That alone removes it from simply being an invention of man. Math dwells on the characters of space, quantity, structure and even time. The signs + - = are mere axiomatic symbols.

And as I always said they are unalterable by man, you can't change + to minus (while expecting that to function as an addition) and expect a different result.

Your information definition is bad and insufficient! I love yvonne is definitely information, yet it isn't covered in the definition.

Mr Emusan

1. Whatever you have been saying

2. 1+1 = 2 2+2=4

3.

4. OR maybe you should make a better and more coherent argument.

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You have faulty premises which I have disagreed to.

Mathematical truths have NO origins or causes.

I never agreed with your definition for information

I never accepted the resulting conclusion (immaterial begats immaterial)

Thus ultimately I don't agree that information leads us to a Creator

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If there was no time: no before or after and the Universe wasn't created, then there wouldn't be a time or a Universe.

Ok point out how bad it is.

^^ if God is capable of doing such a wicked heinous act of creating hell even for the devil, then God is pure from wickedness and debauchery

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I think I covered what you said.

^^ but babies begin to obey through conditioning. If you instruct a baby to stop suckin its lips, it wld obviously disobey you, but the punishment you inflict will serve as a reminder the next time. So the baby associates a reward with obedience and therefore obey.

Same with Adam's case, Adam is said to be a spiritual baby and as all babies do, they don't handle responsibilities well. They will definitely make errors.

Unconvincing rubbish! How is consent solicited from an animal? One can not make sense out of it, its chaotic. We can only rationalise this within a cultural context.

I believe in our times, we associate a healthy sexual relationship with consent frm all the parties participating, and we irrationally extend this to cases of bestiality. Though it is consistent with our perception, yet irrational. We treat animals like trash

Mr italo, it is a very simple question, either the question is a bad one oR there is no answer. Be direct, what special duty do men owe to God that's beyond that of the ordinary Catholic?

Proffdada: accept it there is a higher Integelligence that precedes time itself

In the absence of time, how does this higher intelligence operate?

Emusan: I have asked you before but let me ask you again Does mathematics has a founder?


See you! Wisdom is good ooo

I believe you know gravity it's nature force. Is it nature that provide the law of gravity?

What I'm saying in short is before 1,2,3, A,B,C, shapes being used some people have sat down an agreed on it. Chlorine is a gas in nature but is it nature that give it the name?


@bold- did I say they disagree? But they (naturalism/materialism) made us to know and agree over the years that nature consists only matters (mass/energy) which atheism, humanism, evolutionism based their believe. Where do you put your brain whenever you're reading.



You skip laws of information try and reread it.

Mr Emusan, you didn't seem to understand what I'm saying, forget about labels, focus on the concepts themselves. When I talk about mathematics or shapes, I'm not referring to the big names they carry, rather the concepts themselves.

Like having the Tree of knowledge in the centre of the garden where Adama and eve can see it often and think abt it.

If all catholics are under the duty to serve God, what further duty do catholic priests have over others?

^^ yea we will pick out a day

@pastor

From the dictionary meaning, evil also suggests wickedness and depravity. Hell itself as an everburning furnace into which millions of people will be thrown in for sins they have inherited.
It is no doubt Hell is wicked and unjust.
God created Evil to resolve evil? Can two wrongs make a right?

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italo: No, I don't find the statement wrong.

Now answer my question... Who should define how Catholics are to serve God... You or The Catholic Church?

Not me

Emusan: You make me laugh sha.. Anyway we all here to learn a new thing like information you're hearing about now, and just have it at the back of your mind that nature consist three entities not two as atheist claim. Mass, Energy, and Information. Once you believe there something call information in nature you're not an atheist.

Back on point, the 1,2,3 or A,B,C you're using today do you think they fall from heaven. Is a general agreement between group of people which everybody comply with. Just like scientific law, do you think you can pass scientific law without second/third party verification and agreement?

You need to leave this your atheist life and ask God for more wisdom.

LmAOo!! This is sad! So its your sincere belief that mathematics is what people agree about like languages? Unfortunately that's ignorant.

Mathematical truths are abstracts which are not agreed over nor created by anyone. They are immutable structures which the Universe itself is grew on. All human societies independently from one another, have had elaborate understanding of mathematics.

Information is likewise uncreated, how do you create a triangle eh? If you can create information, then you should be able to add as many sides or angles to a triangle as one wants, and it wld remain a triangle. Unfortunately it doesn't.

You spirit argument is shallow and inconsistent. Naturalism and Materialism do not argue against information, nor immaterial (Reason) or Cognition. It just your misconceived notions on Materialism.

Karl Marx said "I exist therefore I think" which simply places Materialism as the prerequisite foundation for even the immaterial to setup.

My last post was conveniently ignored

^^ yet everyone has culture

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Emsuan

Its either you have something to say or not. By intuitive maths I merely meant maths since everyone including babies can distinguish 1 orange from 2 oranges.

However I'm still expecting you to educate me on how maths was created.

Logicboy03: Morality is logical.....can be logical but theists and some oppressed atheists choose to either claim that it is sentimental or absolute.

I can justify any position i take logically. Just like i did here with consent and bestiality.

where will you place cultural influences in your "logical morality"?

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That's more logic with 2 restricted outcomes(positive and negative), however I'm speaking of intuitive mathematical truths and their Source

I'm beginning to believe morality is merely sentimental. So its no use, rationalising it.

Wiegraf did most of the work already. Hisblud obviously didn't understand what you said, and concluded "god is information." When you were asked what the creator of God spirit, you didn't direct any effort on the question

Emusan: For more explanation, all information can be trace back to an intelligent soucre, then the informations in living DNA can be trace back to who? Disprove molecule-to-life.

Again information can not be generate from a purely materials meaning matters can not produce information.

Also, Information can not be generate in a statistical processes meaning no amount of time and chance given that can generate a meaningful information. Disprove nature happened by CHANCE.

ok, start with 1+1=2 and trace it to its source.

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"Don't go there"

"Sit!"

Are commands, and these impose restrictions. Restriction is a limitation to the options available. The 8yr is restricted from Dad's space thru discipline.

However gaps in discipline could trigger temptation. Flaunting the source of temptation is equally temptation

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This is sad. You mean to tell us, that mathematical truths such as 1+1 = 2 is not just spiritual but was created?