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Pastor Olu T: You have to understand something about the plans of God, it does not just do things for the immediate satisfaction of anyone, there is always a big picture to everything. He wanted to save all of humanity and not just the Israelites, all men was lost including the Israelites, but in order to achieve the ultimate goal so sacrifices had to be made. The Canaanites issue was sacrifice and also they were being punished for their sins, read through the bible He even patiently waited for them, they started sinning right from the time of Abraham but God still had to make the Israelites wait for hundreds of years.

Genesis 15
15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Reyginus: Can I then say there is no first cause?

oldtime: Twenty questions atheists struggle to answer

1.What caused the universe to exist?

2.What explains the fine tuning of the universe?

3.Why is the universe rational?

4.How did DNA and amino acids arise?

5.Where did the genetic code come from?

6.How do irreducibly complex enzyme chains evolve?

7.How do we account for the origin of 116 distinct language families?

8.Why did cities suddenly appear all over the world between 3,000 and 1,000BC?

9.How is independent thought possible in a world ruled by chance and necessity?

10.How do we account for self-awareness?

11.How is free will possible in a material universe?

12.How do we account for conscience?

13.On what basis can we make moral judgements?

14.Why does suffering matter?

15.Why do human beings matter?

16.Why care about justice?

17.How do we account for the almost universal belief in the supernatural?

18.How do we know the supernatural does not exist?

19.How can we know if there is conscious existence after death?

20.What accounts for the empty tomb, resurrection appearances and growth of the church?

Enigma: ^^^ And a "foundational guide" (in the sense you are using the phrase) of Christianity that was the first to be called "the Bible" is The Septuagint.

I wonder if you know what The Septuagint is and its role in the New Testament.

Kay 17: A bible literally means a collection of books/scrolls. However we are not discussing a random collection or anthology, we are referring to the foundational guide of Christianity.

Kay 17: Enigma

1. You brought it up yourself when you started making references with capital c and small letter c in Catholic Church. You were to draw a line btw the universal and Catholic Church, and roles in bible compilation.

2. The Bible I had in mind is the most original bible, as intently compiled in the past as Christianity foundational guide. Substractions from the Bible (the original one earliest compiled for Christians) are fatal to the book and intents of the compilers. If Apocrypha or New Testament is removed, then aspects of Christianity or the Christian experience become missing

Enigma: I too want to express being stunned puzzled just like my brother Ihedinobi.

Let me get you right.

First of all, you have now done a total, complete, 360 degrees, full U-turn! Because, you had said clearly that the non Roman Catholic book is not "the Bible"?

But even more than that, now look at the implication of what you are saying presently.

1. The non-Roman Catholic i.e. "Protestant" book of 66 books is "the Bible".
2. The Roman Catholic book of 73 books is also "the Bible".

If that is the case, what about the Ethiopean book of 81 books? Can you now still say that one is not "the Bible"?

Enigma: The book that non Roman Catholics use i.e. the one that has 66 instead of 73 books ------ is that "The Bible" or not?

Enigma: I once told you (earlier on the thread) about the Septuagint and also the Hebrew Bible. Were these called "Bible" or not? Is the Hebrew Bible still called "Bible" or not?

I even also told you about the "specialness" of the Septuagint and that expression "the Bible"! Have you looked into those any further?

I wonder how you can ask me both of those questions - especially question 2 - after my explanations to you on about page 10 of this very thread!

Enigma: To help my friend once again, here is part of a post I made earlier on this thread!

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible

Enigma: But they were using texts - several texts - from the Bible to present their respective points and arguments at Nicea.

Hence, the Bible had already been "compiled" by then.

Simples.

Enigma: ^^^ The bible was "compiled" before the Arian controversy and before the separation into "Arians" and "Trinitarians".

That is why the "Trinitarians" and the "Arians" were debating the contents of the Bible at Nicea.

Try another one --- or more importantly, try and inform yourself.

Enigma: ^^^And you are saying it ---- out of sheer ignorance.

onyfrank: Yes! If the earth was billion of yrs old, humans & animals would've drank it all up. We would have no oceans. Yet d oceans take up 75% of d globe.
I think u could also make a similar argument with oxygen. If humans existed 4 billions of yrs like d Darwinists claim, we would 've ran out of air too.
I knw many of u will show up here and claim dat all d water we drink is eventually given off as sweat and urine. Well, jst think abt it - that would mean that all our lakes, oceans, rivers and streams would consist of urine and sweat. Evry time it rains and snows there would sweat and urine falling from the sky. The entire earth would b a giant cesspool of sweat and urine - we would b making our coffee 4rm fresh urine 4rm our faucets, and bathing in sweat and urine.
Logically u hav to go with d bible on this one.

Ihedinobi: We are trying to discover that which caused the Prime Cause to act? That is rather interesting.

Ihedinobi: Well, it's Yahweh you're talking about, no? You should have made certain Who He is before drawing any conclusions about Him, shouldn't you? Yahweh is not a triumvirate exactly, any more than He is a human being. He is a three-Person Being. As such, your concept of disjointed action is not feasible. Each Person within the Being can act for Himself but never in dissonance with the Others.

Thus the Father can make a Gift to His Son and the Son to His Father.

Ihedinobi: As I already said, it is very possible and sensible to see Creation as a spillover of their Love. In fact, the Bible holds that Creation is the Father's Gift to His Son the Word.