₦airaland Forum

Enigma: Even if we agree with this, then both Buddhism and evangelical atheism are still religions.

davidylan: See also - atheist almost slavish worship of the scientific theories they bleat help them eliminate a need for a god. You replace a sky god with an earthly god = religion.

davidylan: you do know that religious cosmology is a well accepted term right?

davidylan: depends on what that "god" is.

davidylan: you dont know anything at all do you? Just making noise for the sake of being seen to post too right?
If evangelism is not a qualifier for religion then what is?

davidylan: I read buzugee's comment 2-3 times, your response is a confusing mumbo jumbo. What exactly where you responding to? where in his quote did you see the need for the term "publicity"?

hisblud: hence you want to get the attention/worship He alone deserves, by going after Him with so much passion. Oh what a great race into Him.

davidylan: unconvincing drivel. Religion itself is a creed or set of beliefs in the cause, nature and purpose of the universe. It is not set in stone that it has to involve a God. See that is where you bunch of illiterates get your knickers in a bunch... to your simplistic minds... religion doesnt exist until a "god" is involved.

Well sorry to tell you... atheism is a "religion" that deifies a secularist explanation for the existence and purpose or purposelessness of the universe.

Enigma: Don't mind the mumus!

As for their flying spaghetti monster etc, see for example https://www.nairaland.com/298119/30-keys-being-effective-atheist/1#9474441

Enigma: ^^^ Of course they know it ---- that is why many of them say atheism is "lack of belief" (as with dogs and their brother monkeys etc) instead of facing the fact that it is active disbelief.

And for those complaining that calling atheists fools is insulting some anonymous Japanese ----- hmmmmmm calling Nigerians, (identifiable Nigerians with whom you are trying to get in conversation) imbeciles, 'tools', brainwashed etc is praising what percentage of Nigerians exactly?

shymmex: Thank you!!

I've always said; atheism = religion on steroids....

Those fools are just living in denial..

buzugee: you seem to be confused as to the meaning of religion. religion is a term that can be replaced with 'dedication'. anything you religiously devote your time to is your religion. 'sports' is a religion for some people. 'atheism' as practiced on this forum is a religion for some of you people because you are extremely dedicated and devoted to it. if you were not devoted to it you would not spend vast amounts of time being against God. that is a religion. a religion of 'anti-God'. a religion called 'atheism'

ijawkid: Then when we Àtheism is fast becoming a religion of its own you all argue......

Na small small sha......

nyameke: I have talked about this on other threads and I am not going to do that on here again. But to put it simply mind and spirit are one and the same. what popular misconceptions?

Sweetnecta: there is no blind faith here.

has God always there in existence, before the beginning of time, a clock that he set?
can anyone tell me any form of logic that God has not always been in existence, even though He is Unseen?

do we see each thing before we accept the thing exists?


the effect of air is when the wind blows. we do not see air pass by if there is no particle moving by energy of the air.
we do not feel air except the pressure it produces through the wind.

God is The Owner of us and all that we see and don't see, known and unknown, imagined and unimagined.
Do we then expect This Powerful Being to be visible to us, when air is not?
Do we expect This Owner of All Honors to be completely capture by our imagination and or sense, when He is the One Who has programmed us to have limits in each of our qualities? Can we not be satisfied that His Presence can be felt in our lives and our surrounding, without He having to be physical?

It is illogical to make demands, especially when we are limited and such demand will bring us no good but peril? It is illogical to judge God existence by our judgment to know if one man or what is made to occur exists. The Creator Who makes thing exist or occur exist/occur in different and superior yardstick: He is Invisible. And Invisible does exist. It is the opposite of Visible.

Sweetnecta: there is no blind faith here.

has God always there in existence, before the beginning of time, a clock that he set?
can anyone tell me any form of logic that God has not always been in existence, even though He is Unseen?

do we see each thing before we accept the thing exists?


the effect of air is when the wind blows. we do not see air pass by if there is no particle moving by energy of the air.
we do not feel air except the pressure it produces through the wind.

God is The Owner of us and all that we see and don't see, known and unknown, imagined and unimagined.
Do we then expect This Powerful Being to be visible to us, when air is not?
Do we expect This Owner of All Honors to be completely capture by our imagination and or sense, when He is the One Who has programmed us to have limits in each of our qualities? Can we not be satisfied that His Presence can be felt in our lives and our surrounding, without He having to be physical?

It is illogical to make demands, especially when we are limited and such demand will bring us no good but peril? It is illogical to judge God existence by our judgment to know if one man or what is made to occur exists. The Creator Who makes thing exist or occur exist/occur in different and superior yardstick: He is Invisible. And Invisible does exist. It is the opposite of Visible.

Deep Sight: As above. That there was already a pre-existent trigger for such a happening. Obviously.

caezar: I do not know how you make this leap. Why does an uncaused cause have to be simple or basic?

caezar: Come on! Are you claiming that you are not a different entity from cow dung? Because, by your above claim, when one entity goes out of existence and another comes into existence as a by product of the first entity, the second entity and the first are still one self-existent entity! Existence and self-existence are different things!

Finite time is the more absurd concept. What would be before and after this time? Actually, even that question is absurd as that implies eternal time. Thus can you see how absurd finite time is?

These qualities are not unnecessary. They become obvious and necessary once you ponder the full implications of the universe as a perfect black box.

nyameke: spirit beings are not presumptions Kay17.
We are all spirit beings having a human experience .

nyameke: ok then this is your homework. Go find out what a spirit being is and then tie it to your confused rants up there and see if it makes sense to you.

What's absurd about it? That is exactly what God is and that is exactly why God is said to be transcendental.

And that is the definition of Divinity. The purest and simplest particle of existence.

Deep Sight: ^^^ O, and your link talks about voids being created or formed after the ba.ng. That is not the void I refer to, for I refer to that which the elements from the bang are dispersing into?

Is that a space that can be -

1. Created?

2. Limited?

Deep Sight: Self-existent, uncaused, infinite and eternal, immaterial.

Deep Sight: Self-existent, uncaused, infinite and eternal, immaterial.

caezar: This is an obvious trap.

You ask for the nature of "the source of all this chaos". I contend that it's nature (even assuming that what we observe really is chaos) is irrelevant until and unless we can agree that it is self-existent and agree on its other necessary qualities.

This is what I find most atheists fall back on. They cannot show that a sentient first cause is logically invalid, but they can, by using straw arguments, argue that its very nature invalidates its existence.

No sir. I refuse to be drawn into that argument. Let's focus on the idea of a generic self-existent being. Be it God or science's singularity.

nyameke: how is reality God

vedaxcool: No, the debate is flawed because we all end up in the same position we started, The God theory makes absolute sense because we could say exceptions, Something does not always have to come from something, that is the view point of people of religion, that God did existence is cannot be construed by the general theory of something gives out something, the God existence makes more sense that the universe emanating from nothing and then strangely organise itself by sheer what?

nyameke: God is everything and everyone.. we are all individuated aspect and expressions of the One God. The highest and perfect expression of of the One God came down and walked among us but we believed him not.
God is not in the sky but everywhere and nowhere. God is where you are at this minute. We are all Gods. A time will come when this guarded secret will be revealed to all..