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I think we can come to an agreement that Faith is blind.

I answered Rational

[quote author=Mr_Anony]But you have to keep to that nature. You cannot remain good irrespective of what you do. You must behave like God behaves[/quote]God has to conform to his Nature, right?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Do you believe that this world is rationally ordered?[/quote]If we aren't in a rationally ordered world, there would be no Reason.

I didn't say I was the exact same as God, but being with his substance/Nature: I'm Good.

So by being good by nature, I'm can do anything and still be Good like God.

Since God is good, and i'm created from him, then I'm good. Same thing, same thing.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]And I am saying that God is still in the business of doing the extraordinary. he is still talking to people and doing miracles and people are still believing. Nothing has changed about God.
The only thing is that when a man has pre-concluded that miracles never happen, even if a miracle kicked him on the head, he won't believe it is a miracle he will say "there must be a scientific explanation for it" and when he has found none, he will say "we are still searching for a scientific explanation" or he says "it is a perfectly normal though rare occurrence" he never accepts a miracle, he doubts it until he dies.
That is what I call "fanatical skeptism": The firm belief in doubt.


https://www.nairaland.com/995063/skeptic[/quote]If miracles are impossibilites and disruptions in natural order and laws of thought, its fair to say both God and Miracles can exist in an irrational world.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]As expected, you have come up with another theory laden with a pre-assumption. How does the story of Elijah prove that God is subject to man's will? Elijah believed in God. He called God and God answered. It was God's choice whether He wished to answer or not. Others have called God at some times and He chose not to answer. If God didn't answer, He would still have been God. You are only speculating as usual.[/quote]Maybe Baal had equal discretion.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Dude you've just made a very weird statement. I don't know what to call it but I'll call it "the fallacy of seeking unnecessary explanation of a sufficient explanation".
By your statement, you are assuming that good should be something else other than God's nature (you have not provided this elusive something else) and then based on that we are saying God is good.

I'll answer you like this:
"Red is not red in the sense of external validation, it is just something we label the colour as. My question is this; Why should blood be red?"

Or I can give you a simpler answer:
"You should be good because you are made in the image and likeness of God. To not be good is to deviate from your true nature.


You can choose to accept either of the two answers. Whichever one works for you[/quote]Your God doesn't have the singular attribute of good unlike Red, right? Why did you equate God = good, when God is a bundle of attributes??

If I was created in God's image and Nature, then I am good morally!

Ihedinobi: I'm hard put to it to see how this rolls with the argument currently running. Weren't we trying to establish whether or not Yahweh fit the bill as a moral authority? When did the focus shift to His being good, however you define that, of course?

You guys find it really difficult to pursue a thought to its logical conclusion, don't you?

I noted you wrote God isn't bound by the moral rules he set, right? And given that his rules flow from his Nature, which is described good. Invaribly, God is bound by his own rules/Nature and can't act outside them.

noetic16: This is quite IDIOTIC.

What is that evidence that supports your atheistic postulations? You rely on theories that are not empirical, hence, you rely on faith.

On the other hand, the evidences for God are numerous and subjective.

Science isn't empirical??

What is the proof for God, and note if you intend to set out proofs for God, don't use faith.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Wow, said it like it is sledgehammer style. His universe, His rules. If you don't like it, Go and create your own.[/quote]From what I ve learnt from you, God is not good in the sense of an external validation, it is what we label his nature as.

My question is this: why should I be good?

Greater faith in the Big Ban.g? Trying to drag everything into the abyss of Faith?!

Earth has been existing for millions of years, the universe has existed for over a billion years and yet Jesus just got to the scene 2000 yrs ago and is claiming to create all. How fantastic. Besides a very liberal interpretation of the Bible will struggle to reach such conclusion.

davidylan: which is probably why little to no discussion takes place in lengthy threads that are geared towards bashing christianity. You folks are funny... you seem to look for the speck in my eye and forget the log in yours. To you... hostility = a creationist who actually stands up to identify the inherent idiocy of your own "arguments"
You do sometimes forget the hostile nature of your questions, the inherent snobbery of your statements accusing the christian faith and those who adhere to it as being illogical and incapable of reason... i could go on and on.

Yeah its all good asking me to "attack" humanist philosophy... i wish you did that too rather than attacking my sense of judgement for following a religion that YOU think makes no sense. Sorry bro, i dish it as i recieve it. Dont like it? Move to the romance thread.

Creationism ought to closed up in the mind.

noetic16: No one is attacking atheism or humanism. What we have done on the forum is to reveal the loopholes in this human manufactured theories, through which natural events are being misinterpreted as evidence. And by natural, I mean God-ordained.

Atheism is a fallacy, that lives in the mind of those with limited or nihilant imagination, intellectual prowess or a strong logical ability to make analysis. Truth is, we are yet to see any plausible scientific or other wise evidence that supports atheistic arguments. This explains why responses to you might sound insulting, but are just our way of telling you that we have heard this same old tales before, and we know where it lead to.

Dude, no one is insulting you. If you have any plausible evidence or logical analogy that supports your atheistic postulations, feel free to tender it. until then, atheism remains the sacred religion of intellectual lightweights.

This is nothing but a bitter rant. God the centre of Christianity is ASSUMED by faith. Suddenly faith is Reason!!

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Doesn't this raise the question; Justified by who?[/quote]No, not justified by ppl.

Mr Anony, what do you consider as religion?? And why Christianity isn't one against general beliefs.

@mr anony

All Hitler's commands of genocide went through the legal structure.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Please define murder, then show me one example of God commanding anyone to commit murder[/quote]Murder = unjustified killing.

Joshua, Moses, Saul, David, Abraham; just to mention a few.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Wow, did you really read the definition of love I posted? Have you really been reading anything I have been posting?

I don't know. I can't even tell you why God is not pleased with murder. All I know is that it is alien to God's nature.
To know exactly why incest displeases God will need me to read God's mind and that will make me more powerful than God Himself. Obviously, I am not.[/quote]LOOL!! Total unsatisfactory!

If murder is not God's nature, why is the Bible filled with commands of murder?

davidylan: Read this yourself and see if it makes sense. If the basis for morality is left to the individual then why do you put a child s[i]e[/i]x offender in prison? Afterall his own standards for morality might just include underage s[i]e[/i]x no?

First of all, you are an empty barrel. Second, I was making a point that atheists are such because they don't believe in supernatural gods, and it doesn't extend to morality. At morality, individual atheists adopt their philosophy. At this point, I'm not saying I agree with whatever ethical code they pick up. If not, I would be agreeing with the Pope's doctrines because an atheist believes its morally sound.

Its insulting to claim all atheists support Communism, atheists like George Orwell desperately despise Communism just like the Pope does.

The problem with you and your crew is: you believe atheism is a rival religion and don't pay attention to its pecularities.

Why is God not pleased with incest, pls tell me why!!

[quote author=Mr_Anony]There is a huge difference between love and lust my friend. No relationship whatsoever can exist without an amount of love. for incest to occur, an unholy lust must come in.[/quote]I thought Love was universal?! If so, why don't brothers exhibit among themselves or between their sisters??

This shows the hypocrisy of your morality.

The basis of morality is left to the individual not left to nothing.

truthislight: Then, by implication u are saying that big slam is an exaggerated believe.

no, Faith has no place and is neither a criteria for Science. Faith is the preserve of Religion.

Meanwhile, whats the essence of sequence?
When we observe the order of event over time we can rationally be able to deduce/determine the subsequent order though it has not yet taken place.

Extrapolation? Necessary deductions. Ok.

When one for instance examines the bible and it content/univers it follows rationally that one believe that there is a God.

without the Faith is assuming the Bible is the word of God, its not more than a cultural commentary.

However, it is also possible for one to live in denial of the obvious.

It can only be call faith if there is a rationality to accept the sequence, otherwise it will be a delusion for one to accept an irrational tells.

The bible, though not a science text book is very accurate on scientific matter
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It does not contain bogus story, but very serious information that opens our eyes to the world we live in.

It is only an unseriouse mind that will not take the bible seriousely, or one that does know what the bible contains.
Peace

Like animals talking?! Or Jacob's genetics? Or Noah's Ark? Or Angels? Or ppl walking on water? It is unfortunate that the bible is caught in its time, espousing the ignorance and folly of that time. Only faith that props up Christianity.

That's the thing about atheism, it ONLY describes a lack of belief in supernatural gods. Ethical codes, behaviour etc are covered by the individual's philosophy.

^^^

BUT Prosperity Gospel is still Christianity. It is still their view on Jesus' teachings.

savcy: Atheism is an attempt to ridicule the name of God,and deny the reality of His existence. All of ur afore-mentioned facts concurs with d reality of a God. Our 17th/18th century fathers were ignorant of d existence of a place called Germany. Did it take away the reality of the existence of Germany? Even the so-called evolutionists agrees(albeit unintentionally) with the existence of a Supreme and Sovereign Being. Cause and Effect.

Be careful with your words, A sovereign Being could be the Universe, or Time or anything indispensable.

davidylan: By what standard of perfection do you judge the car and hence the skill level of the maker? YOUR own brainless rhetorical standards?

Performance, minimal flaws, insightful designs etc.

A horrible programme/application is owed to the skill of the programmer, the better he is, the better his creation. It is a principle of Nature, its around you. If you open your eyes for a little bit.

savcy: Seun,ur arguement holds no water. You are obviously deluded in ur ignorance. God owes u no explanation. Accept the truth for what it is. Evn wit 50PhDs u canot understand God. :-@

Why bother saying God exists??

ijawkid: Christianity was oÑly seen as false by d pharisees and saducess who were stiff necked and clinging to d mosiac law after christ death.....
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The jews persecuted early christians because they were ignorant of the fact that Gods son who they had long known wuld come to d earth,came and they took no note of his presence....

Jesus dying for their sins was very ridiculous to them, just as TB Joshua dying for us would be. Try to be MORE objective.

davidylan: Does a car's mechanical faults betray the skill and expertise of the maker?

The more perfect the car/design, the better the maker. And in the Bible case, it being caught in the pit of misunderstandings, mistranslation, deliberate tampering, contradictions only point at a more human maker down on Earth.