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truthislight: Faith is:
"an assured expection of things though not beheld"
What is big bang?
Did u beheld it?
U guys need to change and be honest.

In order words, exaggerated hope?!

What place does Faith have in Christianity?

davidylan: That is just trying to skirt around the fact that you are clueless here. Theories are just theories BECAUSE we have no empirical evidence for it and that is FACT. The minute you can provide evidence for a scientific problem then you can start to draw conclusions... At this point, the big b[i]a[/i]ng THEORY is simply a set of conjectures based on very limited REAL DATA that is used to explain the origin of the earth. Much of these conjectures are themselves biased in the sense that they are mostly forced to fit potential changes in natural phenomena...

If you say this theory in question is shaped by evidence then WHERE is this evidence and why has it taken you over 2 pages to produce it?

Hmmm @bolded. Examples would include the Germ theory?!

I understand, open up a new thread that.

davidylan: Why? Because YOU think a perfect being should create only perfect things? Is that a statement of fact or a conjecture based on your own limited reasoning?

Isn't the Creation/work a mirror of the Creator?? Does a product/artpiece betray the skill and expertise of the maker??

Its Reason, a realm you are not so familiar with.

@enigma

What is Faith as practised by Christians?

davidylan: and that was my point! The definition of the term "empirical" CLEARLY excludes scientific theory which was why it should have been the most relevant definition to this discussion (Kay17 omits this because it destroys his ignorant position)... this has been mentioned severally in my posts which you either dont read, dont understand or too dishonest to admit. See my response to Kay17 below.

Without the fundamental foundation of observation, Science will not exist! No such oxymoron exists. Theories aren't empty speculation, rather are shaped by evidence.

Enigma: ^^^ So, you are simply taking the theory by faith then.

Faith meaning blind acceptance? No.

I have accepted scientific axioms as reasonable and justified. Thus accept the scientific system.

^^

The basics have to be settled, Davidlyan doesn't think scientific theories are empirical in the first place (ie the Big Bang theory).

Besides can I do justice and explain the theory as an expert would? No.

All scientific theories are empirical in nature in the first place, or else they wouldn't be regarded as scientific.

It goes against reason to believe a perfect Creator is the maker of an imperfect work. Also fatal for your almighty to resign to the impossibility of communcating with his Creation only thru the flawed bible.

Also the flaws in the Bible simply prove that it is just another work of man, just like the numerous holy books available.

davidylan: More deliberate dishonesty... actually while all 3 definitions are almost identical, point 2 is the MOST relevant to this discussion since it SPECIFICALLY mentions scientific theory! Why did Kay17 deliberately leave that out?

I picked up the useful definition.

Davidlyan, this should educate you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical

And you call yourself a scientists!

If it has no empirical basis, then it isn't a scientific theory then.

davidylan: What is the "fatal flaw"? Did the English language exist 2000 yrs ago? So you expect the creator to have somehow created a separate english bible way ahead of the existence of the language so as to avoid translation errors? Laughably stup[i]i[/i]d non argument

Of course, Hebrew isn't also the only language in the world. It still doesn't take away the flaw, since God is helpless and is unable to free the Bible from these flaws.

From a dictionary website:

Empirical

"provable or verifiable by experience or experiment."

No, why is Faith needed?

noetic16: You dont know what empirical means Your ignorance has been exposed.

How on earth would someone be asking a materialist the meaning of empirical??!!

noetic16: And also that they are built with specific preconceived notions, such that everything in our natural world (described as "evidence" is interpreted to support this theory. It is absolutely ridiculous.

Yes there are. But justified assumptions.

My post was hidden!

davidylan: Including translation errors due to problems with endangered semitic languages in which several of the bible books where written? I note the typical atheist game is to set impossible standards for what they do not believe in.

Isn't that a fatal flaw?? The so called Creator communicates to his creation with another tribe's language? The almighty God's message has to be bogged down by mistranslations?? Who is god trying to communicate with??

No, davidlyan, you have nothing credible to put forward. First you made a BaD claim by saying big ban.g is a random event, next you claim there is no empirical basis for this cosmological model, despite its great reception by scientists as the best explanation for the beginning of the universe. And by claiming so, saying scientific theories have no empirical basis!

And the next thing yoi ask is what is "empirical"?!

You are therefore implying that scientific theories aren't empirically focused?

Ihedinobi: What does that have to do with the issue under examination? The point about which this debate revolves is: Yahweh's morality cannot be called into question based on the laws He gave to man. This is what you are to refute if you can, and what I am to uphold if I can.
And what in the world do you mean, "specify which god"?

Since the Devil deliberately disregards God's law, while God does make attention his rules. So who is Evil?

lilcutie8916: I am from edo state and and witchcraft is practiced there alot there is this case in my place of some children that made a figure out of clay and began to pour blood of chicken on it as they see the older people do in shrines. They contined this for some time until they all left for school. They stopped this joke(as it seemed to them) bacause they were no longer at home. Then all three of them fell seriously sick and they defied treatment until a juju man told the parents that the spirit thnat had inhabited their clay figure needed blood. Until this sacrifice was done before they got better and meanwhile nobody knew about this joke of their. This is how the devil disturbs the world and he has made u blind to these things macdaddy and co. Pls answer and i hope u re still not afraid of the dark. I am ready for u athiests.

Cool Story.

There is no justification whatsoever for destroying the Gods of other people.

Btw islam and Paganism, Islam got the Kaabah, cos they had a winning army?!

Where will defining empirical lead to?

FXKing2012: All these are of absolutely no importance, what is important is to accept JESUS as your Lord and Saviour. Trust me it aint no fun being an area boy in hell.

BUT the bible has to be true and inerrant, for the Message of Jesus to crystallize.

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