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A good answer explaining an imperfect world with a perfect creator.

You do believe the Big Ban.g has no empirical basis??

davidylan: You made a claim about how the big b[i]a[/i]ng occurred and i asked you for empirical evidence... where is it? I'm in no mood for this feckless game of musical chairs from ignorant cowards today.

You mentioned the Big Ban.g being an implausible random event which isn't suitable as the Cause of the Universe.

The proof for the Big Ban.g?! Its credible as a scientific theory with great reliance on empirical evidence and enjoys a good concensus with scientists.

davidylan: And u know this from what empirical evidence?

No No No! The question is not on whether there is empirical evidence, rather whether the theory of the big ban.g espouses a random cause for the Universe, of which it didn't contrary to the layman's ideas.

It shown simply a mechanical effect of the point of singularity to the Universe! There is nothing random about it.

LagosShia: those idols were not meant to be there in the first place.in arabian tradition the Ka'ba is the house of worship built by their ancestors,Ishmaer and Abraham for the worship of Allah,the One Unique Invisible God.so they violated the sanctity of the Ka'ba by storing idols in it.

But Islam and its Abrahamic history after the Pagans. The Pagans placed their idols there, because they believed the gods were entitled to a sanctuary in Kaabah. Also, while the Prophet was destroying the Gods/idols, he called them false gods! Why disrespect ppl's core values as such??

davidylan: You know next to nothing.

1. The big b[i]a[/i]ng = random chaos... i'm not shoving it down your throat... you're the one making the claim.

2. The ice age began 2.6m years ago. The bible events took place 6000 years ago... perhaps that is why you dont see T-rex in the bible?

Big Bang is not chaotic.

And what happened to inequality?

Or intolerance ethnic/religious?

Or poverty?

fellis: Please put the bottle down, you've taken enough alcohol this evening

LMFAOO!!!

But why would the Prophet destroy and disrespect the gods of the pagans?? Where is the freedom of speech?!

Man knows Nature was present before he came on the scene. Man knows of the secrets and principles/workings of the Universe. Man didn't create the principles behind a triangle, or the workings of motion, or centrifugal forces; rather man via intelligence was able to harness these to his BENEFITS.

In an empty world, intelligence is useless, omnipotence is everything.

Ok

I'm not playing any game, you already know its ridiculous to believe Love is the same element that binds all relationships.

There is no universal morality among communities around the world, even love plays diverse roles in the most unusual situations: incest. This is not of speculation or guesses, but a simple observation. AND you have been unable to provide otherwise. The best you can do is use your obscure morality to review others.

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Is that an insult?!

But if you said it was a rock, I would easily conclude that it isn't man made rather natural. However since its a house, I must conclude that its man-made as all houses are man made in my experience.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Love as defined by the bible. Yes!

But if you mean romantic love then...........
Can it? yes, maybe
Should it? No, definitely not.[/quote]What is romantic love, can it be shared btw siblings.

Abyjah: You can aswell create your own universe with it's sun, planets and
what have you. Start by employing the language of the fourth dimension, and you shall speak and it shall come forth. Create everything you want in that your world including the creatures thereof.

You can, therefore, kill, destroy, enthrone, etc, any of the creatures or structures in your 'will'. As long as you live, your universe keeps living. More so, in all you've created, you've successfully represented yourself in different forms. Hence, your universe is an illusion and you the reality of it.

Subtract the Sun, and there will be no life. God needs the Sun for life to grow

@ mr anony

Can the same love between a husband and wife be shared between two men?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I thought I was specific enough when I said love as defined in 1st Corinthians 13. Or was I not?[/quote]Could you write it out?! I don't have a bible.

Also I have shown u, that no two societies share the same culture and morality, THEREfore morality is neither objective or universal.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Now, cultures or not, there is nobody on earth you will show love to especially as defined in 1 Corinthians 13 and the person will honestly judge it as evil.
Any action not born from this core of love goes against man's conscience. It is irrelevant whether or not it is accepted by a particular culture.
If any society rejects it, then that society is evil.

I'll show you something more,
...But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things

Galatians 5:22-23

The above verse lists the characteristics of a christian. No law can justly condemn these attributes[/quote]Which one? But the love for a man is not the same with the love for a woman or love of a wife, or love of a brother or a sister?? Why is Love for a countryman is different from love for a human??

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But your religion is validated solely by faith, when did the lack of faith become ignorance??

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Human sacrifice has been seen in some cultures as necessary moral obligation, polygamy, homosexuality and incest not morally prohibited in others. Some societies don't recognize stealing.

It is the obvious to everyone that no two cultures are the same.

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How then do you explain the radical difference in morality across societies?!

A benefit in simply heeding God OR by heeding, man derives happiness and protection??

Surprisingly, GeJ is right, despite the horrible record of PDP on corruption. PdP is the only party ib this country that takes all ethnic groups and tribes along. Unlike ACN and those parties in East which strictly drawn along ethnic lines.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]No my friend, you cannot have a valid man-based morality. It must come from God.[/quote]How do you explain the existence of morality in non-christian societies

[quote author=Mr_Anony]No my friend, you cannot have a valid man-based morality. It must come from God.[/quote]You are degenerating from reasonable to dogmatic. If the prime aim of God given morality is not human benefit, then God is merely saying his own.

The sole criteria for morality is usefulness to that given society at that time. Not God/Yahweh/Jesus/Brahman. A god would only be needed if its a sentient and rational being capable of deciphering what's useful to morons like humans.

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No problem.

Do you actually think its impossible to ascertain the consciousness of any object?!

Pastor AIO: The only consciousness we have experience of is our own. I cannot experience your consciousness. You cannot experience my consciousness. As far as I may be aware you might just be a well programmed neurological robot, An AI.

I'm not aware of your consciousness?! An AI is at most is aware, but a sophisticated AI could be self conscious, given aware of one's identity as the criteria.

I like to think of life as a biochemical robot/AI.

snthesis: Please i need your honest answers related to the picture below:

1. what is your first opinion about the picture?
2. do u think it occurred by chance?
3. what are the odds of rain, wind, thunderstorms, lightning etc -severe weathering, producing the design of this work?
4. do u instantly think it was created by an intelligent designer?
5. which is easier to create, this work or a living cell?

if you have answered the questions above honestly, then please answer just one more
6. Do u still think Atheism/evolution/big bang theory makes sense?

The simple answer is: within our experience, we recognize man made complexities because of its peculiar patterns. I wouldn't see a frog and say its man made.

Failing to recognise the difference btw natural complexities and man made complexities is one of imagination.

Vain prayers!

Pastor AIO: You say that so authoritatively. As if you've done the experiment by configuring matter in the lab in such a way that Awareness was produced.

No, but we have no experience of awareness/consciousness floating in mid-air.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Nothing I have said alienates my "concept" of morality from reality. Yes morality is useful for society but not necessarily for cohesion. The don't kill rule is fundamental for preservation of a society but fails as a moral rule when a community decides to kill off another community for the sole reason of preserving/enhancing theirs.

If preservation is the purpose of morality then selfishness would be the greatest good. This is not the case.



I don't see how so. All a moral adherent should be concerned about is the moral laws for him/her and not other rules that do not concern his/her morality.
It is like saying that if a Legal system ceases to be valid concerning criminal cases if it also has laws concerning family cases. That doesn't make sense....unless I got you wrong.[/quote]OH!! Morality is useful?! At least we have agreed on one point.

Morality makes sense in a community, that could be a clan, a tribe or a nation; as long as they identify themselves with a common origin or goal. For the humanitarian ideals that developed the UN, the world was seen as one community, thus governed by morality.
So killing an unarmed Somali in war becomes a crime.

Hume has also warned against the careless use of "ought to". Morality will be what the community believes to be right, not what it ought to be right, where you interpose your morality.

It is like saying that if a Legal system ceases to be valid concerning criminal cases if it also has laws concerning family cases. That doesn't make sense....unless I got you wrong

It is still playing a useful role, providing laws in the family sphere.