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This is the kind of thing that happens when you put square pegs in round holes and make someone in the mind of SLS a Central bank governor.

The genesis of this was that Aig wanted to meet up requirements on settlement bank which is that they must meet up on a number of accounts. So he is desperate to be retained as a settlement bank in case fraudulent buying of Intercontinental bank fails (which will definitely happen by the grace of God).

This is part 1. I know part 2 will still follow. I laugh in swahili

Bros please keep this your brand thing and let's face the reality. I was once an ardent follower of MTN. I used the line for seven years and was more or less a goodwill ambassador to MTN dishing out defences to the network at will without earning a kobo.

I was on its post-paid line for those period until MTN started bearing its fang. I just get charged dubiously. Several calls to their customer care line and mails did not yield anything positive. Then I took a decision and dumped their line. The psychology MTN is playing on alot of its subscribers is that they feel people do not want to drop their lines because that is the only line they are known on. I did it and all my callers switched to my Airtel number and I have been doing good on it. Another gimmick they play on people is that they are well aware Nigerians do not attach costs to their spending. We just dish out money anyhow and do not place a price on it.

Airtel played one on me recently too. They did a promo that I mistakenly entered for the second and third day they charged me 100 each. When I wrote them and threatened court actions, I was removed from that promo with an apology

The fact is a whole lot of these multinationals rip us consumers off and unfortunately the regulators are not concerned because they have been bought. MTN to me is a network I will not touch with a long spoon. I don't like them for anything

Is it really worth it to continue staying in this country? Are we cursed or what exactly is the problem with us?

Why is is that we leave leprosy to fight excema. We don't even have leaders. Why is it that we always like to shroud everything in secrecy. It is only in Nigeria that policemen commit criminal acts and they are covered by 'powers from above'. In any sane society, judging from the way the guy was killed, people would have been put on the spot. Initially we were told the guy was killed and was not captured alive. We all believed it until a newspaper raised it that he was arrested alive and even interviewed. At that spot, those guys involved will have been arrested and tried immediately but in Nigeria the powers that be prevented that.

So it took a bomb blast to wake government up to its responsibility. This is a very crazy thing.

Men we don't have leaders at all. How did things get so bad in this country. Well God dey sha. Those who have made peaceful change impossible are making a violent one inevitable. Time will tell

@Roadstar

I have read all your posts and the arguments therein. They look very interesting and at the same time an exchange of intellectual discourse.

As a Yoruba man, I will humbly disagree with you on all fronts because you definitely do not understand the history of the Yorubas. In Yorubaland, our fathers used to buttress one common adage that says 'If a food belongs to all of us and all of a sudden someone comes to snatch the food from the table and now asks us to bring our plates so that he can serve us one by one. A true son of his father will not forward his own plate' . We are not known to be bastards. That said it is worthy of note that the South West is the only part of Southern Nigeria where we have a clear cut leader either by nomination or inducement. At the moment, the man who gives direction is BAT. Our perception of him might not be what you think it is. Tinubu at the moment provides the platform with which every Yoruba son and daughter identifies. We are not saying he is a saint. Far from it. we know the amount of money he has stolen (which might be a conjecture anyway) but the fact that he has identified with the people to give us what we want is enough for us.

@Roadstar

Please do not be mistaken by the bolded. I am not saying BAT is the Yoruba leader at the moment. My saying he gives direction is in reference to his activities at ACN at the moment. In every region in Nigeria people like him have always come up when it comes to electioneering but it does not make them the leader of their race.

I will not in any way be part of the ethnic bigotry. I like to trash issues out. I am speaking on this based on my conviction about my race. Our uniqueness in this entity called Nigeria lies in our ability to identify our own and take a stand on it. I guess you will not saying being assertive is a crime. The problem basically is that our politicians have failed us.

Let us pray to God that those we have elected have the heart to do that which is expected of them but if they don't we shall take our destinies in our hands. We cannot continue like this.

It has been nice reading your views. You are entitled to your own opinion anyway. Afterall we are all after moving this country forward.

God bless Nigeria

@Roadstar

I have read all your posts and the arguments therein. They look very interesting and at the same time an exchange of intellectual discourse.

As a Yoruba man, I will humbly disagree with you on all fronts because you definitely do not understand the history of the Yorubas. In Yorubaland, our fathers used to buttress one common adage that says 'If a food belongs to all of us and all of a sudden someone comes to snatch the food from the table and now asks us to bring our plates so that he can serve us one by one. A true son of his father will not forward his own plate' . We are not known to be bastards. That said it is worthy of note that the South West is the only part of Southern Nigeria where we have a clear cut leader either by nomination or inducement. At the moment, the man who gives direction is BAT. Our perception of him might not be what you think it is. Tinubu at the moment provides the platform with which every Yoruba son and daughter identifies. We are not saying he is a saint. Far from it. we know the amount of money he has stolen (which might be a conjecture anyway) but the fact that he has identified with the people to give us what we want is enough for us.

I will implore you to dissipate your energy in doing a research on how the SE can distinct itself with a view to bringing development to its area. OBJ (a son of the soil) starved lagos of funds for 3 solid years over a constitutional issue all because we want to play mainstream. Meanwhile Ogun, Ekiti, Oyo, Osun and Ondo which played in the mainstream did not see any meaningful development other than looting.

When you mentioned that Ogun, Ekiti, Oyo,Osun and Ondo saw a PDP transformation for a period. You need to read facts. These state governors were not voted for in the second term but were rigged in by OBJ in other to remain relevant. The first term they enjoyed was as a result of the fast one OBJ played on them to support him being a Yoruba man and then Pa Adesanya and co fell for it and that was why we lost it to PDP. Osoba then was meant to go because of the arrogance he displayed while being governor. Same went for Lam Adesina. Bisi Akande's case was that of stepping on toes and he lost. Adebayo lost because he fell for the Obj trick. Adefarati lost because he was perceived to be too old to lead a state like that. Once beaten twice shy. Please let us be.

As a young man growing up, I know that the Yoruba demand performance from the people at the helms of affairs. Your region might look at governance as a money making venture but in the SW we have our own opinion and our thoughts must be respected. Please leave Awolowo out of this talk. It is an incontrovertible fact that he towered above his peers in terms of achievement.

Please stop this demonising being done about Tinubu. It will not work. The Yoruba man knows where he is going and need nobody to show him the direction. We are content with what we have and need no mainstream to be part of the center.

THERE are strong indications that the Economic and Financial
Crimes Commission (EFCC) is making frantic efforts to get
legal backing for the continued detention of the re-arrested
former executives of the rescued banks, even as sources close
to the ex-bank chiefs and their associates insist that they
were being pressured to accept a plea bargain.
Those, who spoke to The Guardian insisted that plea bargain,
as a matter of necessity in any legal matter, should originate
from the defence and not the prosecution, a position also corroborated by EFCC’s spokesman, Femi
Babafemi in a telephone chat yesterday.
Denying the allegation that the EFCC is mounting pressure on former President of the Chartered
Institute of Bankers of Nigeria (CIBN) and chief executive of Intercontinental Bank, Dr Erastus
Akingbola, and his Afribank and Finbank colleagues, Mr. Sabastine Adigwe and Okey Nwosu, among
others, to plea-bargain, Babafemi said the anti-graft agency has filed charges at the Lagos High
Court but that the cases are yet to be assigned.
He admitted that the EFCC could not and is not inclined to advising the former bank chiefs to take
that option, saying that although there are subsisting cases at the Federal High Court, the fresh
charges border on stealing, not on money laundering and manipulation of bank records.
Yesterday, indications emerged that the EFCC, in a bid to legalise continuous detention of the
detainees, took them to Court 10 in a magistrate court at Botanical Garden, located at Apapa Road,
Ebute Metta, Lagos, at 7pm on Friday to seek extended detention order against them. The Guardian
learnt that the ex-bankers, who were earlier paraded around Lagos, were driven to the Court in a
32-seater Toyota bus with registration number AG 1345BJ.
The chief magistrate, according to a reliable source, initially granted the order, giving Adigwe, and
Nwosu two-week extension, while Bayo Dada, an associate of Akingbola, got one week. Others given
two week-extension were former Bank PHB’s boss, Elizerbeth Atuche and a former director of
AfriBank, Agness Ebubedike.
But the order was reversed at the insistence of a counsel to Akingbola, Benji Sasagbo, that such an
extension could not be sustained, as the Court lacked the jurisdiction to entertain the matter. The
detainees were said to have vehemently protested the decision, saying they were ready to die rather
than face such humiliation. The order was eventually reversed while they were taken back to the
EFCC custody.
Meanwhile Lawyers and other stakeholders, at the weekend, came hard on the Central Bank of
Nigeria (CBN) for the arrest, describing the action as a desperate move to force them to capitulation.
Mazi Okechukwu Unegbu, a lawyer and ex-banker lamented the development saying that the alleged
pressure on the former managing directors of the rescued banks is distasteful. Unegbu spoke to The
Guardian on telephone, from his country home in Imo State, where he participated in last Friday’s
supplementary elections between incumbent Governor Ikedi Ohaim of the Peoples Democratic Party
(PDP) and the All Progressives Grand Alliance’s (APGA) Rochas Okorocha.
According to him, the position of the EFFC that it carried out fresh arrests based on newly discovered
offences against the former CEOs is unfounded, as the anti-graft agency should have merely
amended the charges to include the alleged new findings.
“These fresh arrests are illegal and against the rule of law, which the administration of President
Goodluck Jonathan has managed to upheld in the last one and half years,” Unegbu said.
Similarly, National Coordinator, the Independent Shareholders Association of Nigeria, Sunny Nwosu,
said the arrest was a contradiction of the rule of law the present administration subscribes to,
especially as government apparatus are being deployed to perpetrate the act.
“These people still have cases in courts. If we respect the judiciary, what we should have asked for is
accelerated hearing of the case. We should allow the courts to do their jobs. This is a clear abuse of
court process because they were legitimately released on bail while reporting once in three months,
which they have done religiously. If you have another charge against them, what you should do is to
go to court.
“If you are pressing for new charges, it means the old ones have failed. That is the only ground you
can press for new charges. Otherwise, it means they were not involved in the old charges you filled.
In any case, if you have new charges against them, the law should determine whether they would
stand or not. It is the court not the EFCC or the CBN that will determine that.
Nwosu observed that the ex-bank chiefs are being humiliated because they resisted attempt to force
them into plea bargain deal, while he called for a clear understudy of the basis of the allegations
against the ex-bankers.
Another lawyer, Chuks Nwachukwu, who has been following the developments, said: “The EFCC is
trying to break the resistance of Akingbola. If somebody is on bail and you want to change the
charge (because that is what they seem to be doing) you don’t re-arrest the person; you bring the
new charge to court while the accused is served a notice. In any case, the judge decides whether it
will subsist or not.
“If amending a charge will lead to an injustice to an accused person, you cannot amend the charge.
You cannot amend charge when it could adversely affect the accused person. I believe what they
are doing is condemnable and does not agree with the rule of law. They are trying to force these
people into submission, which must be condemned by everybody.
“It is not just about Akingbola; it is about the citizens of Nigeria. It could be anybody tomorrow. No
system of justice will survive by promoting injustice against an accused person.”
Nwachukwu also noted that it is legally wrong to compel an accused to make a plea bargain as
alleged against the EFCC and the CBN, saying that involving their relations in the matter is calculated
at forcing them to accept the regulator’s offer.
Findings suggest that the former bankers are being cajoled to accept the old charges against them in
order to ease the process of sale of the banks, as the process is being stalled by the various court
injunctions.
“There are no new plea bargain options. They want them to accept the old charges while the former
bank chiefs say they cannot when no concrete charges are established against them. It is part of the
move towards achieving a smooth sale process,” said a source.
Sources suggested that the action is part of the last minute moves of the helmsmen of EFCC and CBN
to impress President Goodluck Jonathan and win some points in bid to retain their offices.
The EFCC had, last Tuesday, invaded the residence of former Managing Director of Bank PHB, Mr.
Francis Atuche and picked up his wife, Elizabeth, over what many described as a desperate move to
get her husband, who was not at home as at the time of the arrest.
But EFCC’s Babafemi, yesterday also refuted claims that the detainees were taken to a magistrate
court to secure extended detention order.

source : Guardian of 07/05/2011

It is very funny that this is the way we do things in this part of the world. Aig is one of the debtors of Intercontinental bank to the tune of N14b yet he wants to buy the bank and Sanusi is applauding that action. Yes Akingbola and co committed fraud but at the same time we should follow due process in all we do.

What do people think about this?

S/N LOCAL GOVT ACCORD PARTY ACN PDP
1 AFIJIO                 4,865                8,471 6,014
2 ATIBA                 3,590              18,513 7,565
3 ATISBO                 1,935                7,507 6,779
4 IBARAPA NORTH 3,539                6,602 8,884
5 IBARAPA EAST 6,375                6,086 7,950
6 IBARAPA CENTRAL 1,893                8,780 7,640
7 OLUYOLE               12,391              15,634 6,019
8 SAKI EAST 1,293                5,344 7,677
9 SAKI WEST 7,500              15,917 14,907
10 ORELOPE                3,188                7,626 6,669
11 ORIRE                6,866                2,833     21,917
12 IBADAN NORTH 33,902              36,764     19,769
13 IDO                  8,490              13,862 7,771
14 OYO EAST                  6,428              15,780 6,085
15 OYO WEST  4,052              17,455 6,191
16       IBADAN NORTH/EAST     38,282              18,910     14,372
17 ITESIWAJU     702                7,658 8,287
18 ISEYIN                  3,179              22,123     11,620
19 OGBOMOSO SOUTH  2,941                2,837     23,886
20 LAGELU                14,067                8,081     10,175
21 KAJOLA                  1,060              16,683     13,449
22 AKINYELE                13,096              16,372     10,196
23 IREPO                  1,242                3,373 7,874
24 OLORUNSOGO    493                3,072     11,628
25 SURULERE  2,120                5,946     21,151
26 OGO OLUWA  1,085                4,540 7,749
27 ONA ARA                13,005                8,480 5,453
28      IBADAN NORTH/WEST  9,578              18,870     11,069
29      IBADAN SOUTH-EAST 21,961              24,948     11,284
30 IWAJOWA                  1,642                7,464 8,461
31 EGBEDA                25,100              14,854 7,057
32 OGBOMOSO NORTH  1,855                2,087 42,291
33     IBADAN SOUTH-WEST AWAITING          AWAITING AWAIITING
TOTAL              257,715            373,472    367,839

Source : http://www.radionigeriaibadan.com/index.php/news.html

This Ezeagu man must be a mad man. He belongs to the yaba apa osi sect. Very useless man.

This was why Gani Fawehinmi chose to fight his battles alone because he knows there are the people like Ezeagu. If a man does not have anything to say, why not shut up and make silence golden

So it is a day to election that he just go t to realise that Bakare is contesting. Nigeria we hail thee indeed

This issue has always disturbed my mind over time and I feel I should sample some other people's opinion.

To me we would have developed and be better than the way we are today because we had all the things in place. The whiteman's adventure was to distort our ways and impose theirs on us. Before their coming, we had our own way of running our affairs. We had our own form of democracy. I am Yoruba so permit me to say those things I know about the way we were. I know the East, the North had things similar to that of the Yoruba too
We had the central government which is the Oyo Empire. The Ibadan council which is the administrative center also existed. The Alaafin though the President also had his council of chiefs (legislature) who do checks and balances and the law enforcers - Dongaris . We had the Ifa divinity which was a purely scientific thing based on beliefs and moderates the action of the leaders too. The Oluwo atimes acts as the Judiciary that adjudicates on issues of dispute.

We also had our own Iron ore where we make our hoes and cutlasses as well as other farm implements. We were also engaging in Commerce even though it was trade by barter but it was medium of exchange. We were also engaging in International trade across borders too. People were trekking to perform pilgrimage to Mecca and other places. So by reason of collaboration we would have copied to develop our own technology and even bought from those who had it.

What colonialism has done to us now was to truncate the development and make us jump the gun. Now in our eyes the Whiteman is superior and anything ours is jettisoned. They brought Xtianity and Islam to blindfold us yet what they call idol worshipping is still practised in their place but with a different name , Illuminati and so on.

It is really painful to see the drift in our fortunes but I think on issues like this if we examine them, it might help us in rediscovering ourselves as a race meant for development

Comments are welcome from people on this forum

@Justcash

Please stop all this logic that does not hold water. We all saw the four walls of a University. Don't make us look like we are dunce. If corruption is the only goal Buhari wants to achieve, then all other things will be sorted out. Opinion poll conducted recently shows that over 80% of Nigerians that responded want corruption stamped out as top priority.

So please try to broaden your scope the more and see the logic in someone else post.

If a man has been Petroleum Minister before and then Head of State and till date does not have a single filling station not to talk of an oil block whereas another man was a teacher before 1999 and then Deputy Gov, Gov , Vice President and now President and boasts of stupendous wealth. Then it makes sense if some of us are rooting for the former man.

Nigeria needs an incorruptible leader abeg

There's no point bantering words with you but just let me point this out to you.

I am a father and I have kids. The fact that a child misbehaved once on a particular occasion does not mean you write him off. No human being is perfect. Sanusi has good intentions yes but the emotions he added to it was what made people to miscontrue his mission.

If one has anything against him, exposing the lawmakers and the latest one is enough to doff a hat for the guy. Guy!!! commend a child when he's doing well and stop making emotion-laden statements here

@macjive01

Please we all here are not morons. If you need reasons why devaluation is not good for us, read the interview all over again. He has given enough and convincing reasons. We are an import-dependent economy and devaluing will cause inflation the more.

It is not just in Harvard that Economics is taught. Long before the whitemen came, our fore-fathers have been involved in commerce so what happens in US economy might not apply here. The man is doing something commendable here let's give thumbs up to him and not come up with innuendos that will rubbish what he has done

To me Sanusi is one of the best things that has happened to us in this country. He is a bold and proud man. If every Nigerian could stand up and be counted like him, then Nigeria's march to stardom is a matter of months

Kudos to Sanusi men

I think this idea of posting pix makes sense alot. It makes for an unbiased reporting. I will advise people on ground in Delta to please send us recorded events

I am neither for Atiku nor GEJ but common sense demands that an elderly man should watch his utterances. Atiku has continually been making reckless statements and if GEJ uses that against him, then he asked for it.

I think as a statesman, people should guard their utterances. Buhari is a candidate in the Presidential race, he's not been making reckless statements now. I think Atiku should be guided accordingly

Seconded and confirmed on NTA

Sorry I goofed here 'Try to adopt a trading mindset and learn from it'. I meant to say investing mindset

Nice day

Poster!!!

Do not allow these guys to mislead you. I operate the biz with a friend and know where the shoe pinches. We have 2 currently and they are 30 tonne trucks. I also have a tight schedule and one of the ways we have deviced to check the manager and driver is to ask them not to do cash transactions anymore. Ask them to do cheque transactions. What this means is that you will find time to register in a quarry and then ask the owners of the quarry to give them only running expenses.

When we devised this means, the manager was just fighting us every week because he has limited access to funds but we remain unperturbed. We are lucky to have a somewhat honest person as Manager but he also has his own ways too when it comes to doing us 'mago-mago'.

You need to think of building a base in the business. Don't look at it on a transactional level. Investing in a biz is different from trading. Try to adopt a trading mindset and learn from it. You need to apply a serious approach to this biz rather than this I-av-a busy-schedule kind of attitude. For the past 4 months, I have not had a weekend. I am always on the move trying to make things work.

And then you have to make them know that you are also on top of the trade. That thing is not easy to acquire and you have to apply all seriousness to it.

May God help you

@kobojunkie

Guy you seem to be losing it these days. Your comments on issues is getting more annoying and lacks logic most times. We are talking of influential Nigerians and rather than applaud the achievement of a man, you're basing your argument on sentiments. You see if you talk of Influential people in Africa (beyond Nigeria), you cannot leave OBJ out

Obj is a man who if tomorrow says PDP agreed on zoning would cause conflagration in this country. An influential man is someone who's conduct has an effect on the whole existence of his environment.

Please let's call a spade a spade. Vanguard did a drab job by just picking on a set of people who cannot influence anything Nigerian. How can Chinua Achebe, Anthony Enahoro, Wole Soyinka, even sarcastically IBB not make that list?

As much as I have always agreed with Jarus in most of his write-ups I think some things are missing here. You see I was one of the first set of people to condemn GEJ too and I was doing that with much zeal but certain decisions taken in times past has shown that the man is not lily-livered. He is really playing the gentleman's game in a very dangerous terrain. Let's be frank with ourselves, Nigeria is a complex stuff. Too many thieving politicians all over the place. You need them in many ways to get things done. See the time he eased out Onovo, Dambazau. It demands a man with tact to take that kind of decision at the time he did. GEJ is well oiled in the art of political machinations and he has stood in the wings to learn alot within the time he has been in power.

Let's not also compare Naija with other climes. We have a perculiar way of doing things here. See the way ordinary guys were going to shake the President on his seat. How did they get there is part of the Naija thing. Yes things are not being done right but we need time to put things in shape. It is not a day's job. It evolves over time. The frenzy with which Nigerians want power now was different from the way it was. It goes to tell you that we have gotten to realize that we cannot continue like this and the noise that we have been making seems to be materializing though not there yet but there is a measure of improvement.

As for your condemnation of Obj, bros that was one of the best Presidents we had so far. Obj might be bullish in applying his tactics but he gave Nigeria a measure of activity. Things were happening. The banking sector he gave bite to was bastardised by SLS in one fell swoop. The result of it is what we are witnessing today.

As for Ribadu, he handles issues with emotions just like the way SLS brought down the economy. He needs some time to learn in order to master the art of leadership. The way you rule in Naija is different from the way things are done in US, UK , Canada and co. Look at the way fashola has been having it rough here in lagos, Tinubu has been using all forms of tactics to rubbish the guy because he's the kingmaker. Because Fashola is not experienced, he cannot fight back. That is one of the things experience robs a man of.

The mistake we make sometimes is that we seem to adore people who are tagged 'Progressives' and that is a misconception. In the Nigerian political terrain, nothing like that exists. It is just an opportunity to get there and then you will see how the man will come out in his true colours. Osoba is a progressive today, Lam Adeshina is also one but we all know what they did in their various states when they were at the helms of affairs.

Jarus, please let us start in our own little way to inculcate good values into our children so that we can have a better society. As it is now, we have missed it in so many ways and it is eating deep into us. This present crop of leaders cannot get us there. GEJ just happens to be the better one out of the whole lot at the moment. Maybe if he can effect some change, the next person can pick up from where he stopped. Those UMYA (RIP) years was a serious setback compared to what Obj achieved during his time.

PDP, AC, PPA, APGA and so on is the same Naija thing. So forget this thing about parties. Given the same scenario, Nigerian politicians are the same

Mr Labalaba!!!!

This is precisely what I'm talking about. Moreover, Lagos State Government already has LTV 8, which they could have put the $25 million for a complete turnaround, maybe even put them on a satellite platform. But the lazy gits had to pocket the cash and use HITV to launder it.

Somebody must go to jail for this. They actually gave Toyin Subair his initial seed money of more than N1 billion, again from Lagos State Government coffers, without declaring Lagos State's interest in the firm, or buying any actual shares for Lagos State.

Please read the highlighted portion all over again and see if there is any logic with it and the issue on ground. As becomerich has said, there is nothing bad in it if govt in trying to encourage entrepreneurship assists them. It is for the good of the economy

They'll probably be scrambling around now trying to forge the paperwork to make it look like they bought shares for Lagos State Government in HITV, when actually the reverse is the case.

Will a right thinking person (a lawyer for that matter) give out money without doing a strong paperwork? This is not possible. I do not know the amount of business engagement that you have done but you see sometimes in life one make certain business judgements and things go awry. Do you give up at that time? No is the answer.

I am not here castigating or supporting Fashola but let's try to apply some benefit of doubts in accessing an individuals. He might not be completely clean but man mi try an Alao Akala and see the difference.

From your comments so far even if your genuine intentions is for probity, you have applied emotions into it which has eroded your initial intention. Hence the multitude of enemies you have made on the thread. Please let's also tone down abusive words. This is supposed to be an enlightened forum. Let's try to keep it as one. We have a lot to gain from each other

God bless us all. Amin

Mr Fire

Please let's stop distorting facts because we want to be heard. That place was not Lekki. Someone had sent this out countless number of times. If you have the full one, there was a picture of a lawyer lady hung on the wall. There is flooding all over the world as a result of the torrential rains. So please let's not behave as if we do not belong to this planet earth. It is not Fashola's making that some people build their houses in swamps. People bribe their way in order to buy land even in censored areas. This is Nigeria my brother and we all know the extent people go.

Some of us cannot administer a 3-bedroom apartment not to talk of a whole state. While not holding brief for him, I think the guy is not doing too badly as far as administering lagos is concerned

God bless us all

Please we are dying to watch this video in my office. The youtube site has been blocked and we cannot watch video on this site in the office. Can someone please download to his desk and make as an attachment so that we can watch. I will be most grateful over this. Thanks

@Gogo

I love that question, I think that was what the time then dictated. Don't forget that our Union as a nation was forced down our throat. These men were old men and they carried these things in their mind wen they were born (before 1914). I will not want to hold brief for them but you see in life, the man that starts a process is not necessarily the man that will carry the task to conclusion. Moses did the liberation of the Jews from Pharaoh but was not the one that led them to the promised land. Do we call him 'clueless' because of this?

Please let's think of how to move this nation forward and not grope on the past. Have a nice day

@Onlytruth

In your own little way you have tried but the problem here is that you read things upside down. It is good to reflect on the past at least to do a stock taking of the past. I am a yoruba man and my people used to say 'a child that says his father is not wealthy, is not rich the same will apply to him when he grows up'. To call them 'clueless' is like throwing caution to the wind.

These men did great things in their time. You see in life we all make mistakes probably errors of judgement which is excusable. Those errors of judgement are based strictly upon the limitations of the time. Ask your Dad and Mum, there were certain things they missed and when they look back they wished will av been done to better the present situation they find themselves. That is life my friend. Perfection lies with God. Let us understand that aspect of life we do not have control over. In a private discussion with an elderly man when I was in the university he said one thing and I will quote him here ' All our founding fathers achieved what they set out to achieve the other thing they tried to achieve God never allowed it. Awo set out to give his people the best in terms of infrastructure and he did. Zik set out to be the greatest bride he did. Ahmadu Bello set out to be in control of govt and that he achieved'

That is by the wayside, let us watch those things we say in public forums like this and the way we also put things. In their own times, they were masters in their right. Let us try to post educative things that the younger generation would learn from not using our own personal views to distort history. Education is supposed to better the society. Let us use the education we have to better our society.

We are backward because we as individuals are more developed than our country. We do not have any other country other than this. God bless us all. Amin

Yea this is great for our dear nation. I am now fully convinced that Nigeria can be in the list of 10 most-developed nations of the world. It is just for us to say we want to do it because we have all the manpower to achieve it. I Know we can and yes we shall

Proudly Nigerian

Kobo,

I can see that you are not objective. Someone opened a thread at 1:11pm, you opened yours at 1:42pm. Does it matter if yours had more content ? The rule on threads is that anyone who has a contribution to make should do so on the thread that has been opened earlier. Attaching importance to your thread is selfish in its entirety. That is one thing we should learn not to do as future leaders as well as commentators on national issues.

This your comment smacks of insensitivy. Aisha2 has a responsibility as a moderator to ensure that people keep by the rules. Let's always follow the rules of engagement

Kech,

I quite appreciate your contribution but you see because of our notion of what ought to be the norm, we lose sight of our clime and conditions.

In the developed countries, a MP is aware of his responsibilities without being told what to do or not do. He is expected to live above board and maintain the highest level of decorum. Without being told this, his conduct is geared towards attaining those standards. He knows the repercussion if he does otherwise because the statute books are clear and it is uncompromising

In our part of the world, a leader is elected/selected (this is a topic for another day) to serve. After he has been elected/selected, he throws away all forms of caution to the wind. He rules as he wants. Even if he spends 20 years ruling, his account of stewardship is the way he feels it. Even if he did not repair the road on his street, he still does not understand performance.

If Fashola in the maddening crowd could give us something that comes out of the ordinary, I would want us to give him the commendation for being a sane man in the midst of all the insanity that pervades our landscape. The EFCC investigation is not enough an indictment. An accused is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of relevant jurisdiction. The fact that EFCC is investigating his activities as the governor does not presume him guilty. Let us keep our fingers crossed. All these allegations are still in the realm of speculation since they have not in anyway been substantiated. I am glad that we discuss these issues now in the country. It shows how all of us are concerned about the governance process. At the same time let's not be the Accuser, Judge and Jury.

Eko o ni baje o

Bros Knowall

Please let's try to be mindful of those things that we write on public forums like this. A whole lot of guys who have jetted out of this country mistake the response they get from their relations as a result of the way they ask for dollar or pounds from them to mean that we are proverty-stricken here. Please don't look at things from that perspective. You need to come over here and go on the street to see the level of things that people who the society call paupers do. Our level of poverty has not gotten to what you think.

Provide light and let people know that when you don't pay, ur light is cutoff and see the rate people rush to pay up. The prepaid meters have not gone round really but u need to see how people queue up at NEPA office to pay. Nigerians keep getting sophisticated by the day. Let government provide the amenities and see how better we would get.

Staying abroad for too long has its own side effects. Come home and be part of the renewal process.

Mbulela,

I will appreciate if you could post them here. I told a colleague this morning that when we are through with the whole Yar'Adua debacle, we shall go back to BBC and question what the whole interview issue is because I for one know that the interview never took place with Yar'Adua

Hardtalk,

You see I don't think anyone has anything against what you posted. Infact it is good for information sake. Reading thru your posts gave me the opportunity of having the document on the various allegations being raised by the True Face of Lagos guys. I think why the guys on Fashola's side reacted the way they did was the rider you put after the posting. 'Is fashola indeed a saint?' Anyone reading that smells bias and in law such stance is pre-judicial.

If you have left things at just informing, there won't be this much talks and yabbing.

tpia please let's tone down emotions so that we do not resort to verbal abuses as is being done. We can always learn from each other. We all know how we feel about Fashola but lets apply a modicum of decorum

Let's enjoy this forum. It isvery educative. Please guys let's sheathe our sword

God bless you all