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Everyday247:
This is very insensitive. Many people kill themselves due to problems such as depression, poverty, health issues, abuse etc but instead of finding ways to reduce or eliminate these problems that lead people to suicide, you decided to threaten them with hell as if that will solve the current problems.
Imagine telling a depressed person who is about to kill themselves that they will go to hell if they do so without making any attempt to understand the person's situation.

You don't get my point. If you know that committing suicide is not the end of life, that there is a life after death with the possibility of ending up in a burning flame, you will refrain from it.

Most people do it because of ignorance and also because of wrong knowledge they have acquired through the years about what death really means. If you take my admonition as a threat, it also means that you are accusing Jesus of doing the same because he spoke of hell or eternal damnation more than any in the Bible. He even cursed some nations into hell.

budaatum:
And you know this, how?

Have you been to the afterlife, or you asking us to just believe you?

From the evidences of the scripture. Here are a few evidences;

1. Man was created in the image and likeness of God. Since God is a Spirit, it means that the real man is also a spirit being. And since God is eternal, the spirit of man is also eternal.

2. The scripture says the blood of slained Abel cried out to God after he was killed by Cain his brother. It proves that though Abel was physically dead but his blood cried out to God. It means that he was still alive in the realm of the Spirit.

3. The death of Jonah. Jonah died in the belly of a fish. But the scripture said Jonah cried from the belly of hell. It means that his soul was alive and went to hell. He even narrated how he descended to hell.

4. The statement of Jesus concerning the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They are tagged dead but Jesus quoted God as saying;

Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

5. The story of the rich man and Lazarus. They both died. One went to hell and the other to paradise or Abraham’s bosom This is a clear example that the afterlife is real.

6. Jesus died and rose again. If there is no afterlife, there would have been no more Jesus after he died. Jesus rose from the dead and he is alive forevermore.

Each time I hear story of someone committing suicide, I just say within myself, 'I wish they knew that there is the afterlife.

And if they find themselves in hell, they will certainly regret committing suicide because the worst condition on earth is a million times better than going to hell.

When you die, it doesn't mean that you cease to exist. You only cease to function on earth. But your spirit lives on. And there are two possible destination,heaven or hell. If you are born again and live a life worthy of your calling, you will go to heaven. But if you are not, you will end up in hell. Sometimes, the spirit of some people linger awhile in the realm of death before they finally enter into heaven or hell. Some are given the opportunity to come back to earth because its not their time yet.

Please, prepare for the afterlife. It's real. Life doesn't end here on earth. Don't pursue pleasures and spend eternity in a burning flame. Don't kill yourself. If you do,you will end up in hell and regret for the rest of your life.

EnemyofGod3:
We are all animals but humans are higher animals, how come we are the only one created from dust? use ur brain is not for fancy.

We were not created from dust. We were created in the image of God. Its our body that was formed from dust. Your body is the house you live in. Man is a spirit being that has a soul and lives Ibadan body.

Note that the creation of man was done in Genesis 1:26-28. But the body of man was formed in Genesis 2:7.

Most women are sex starved. And they won't behave well so good men will find them and marry. But the way she went is stupid way. Women behave yourself. Husbands are scarce ooo .

Yes, the roads will be completed in record time so that many more corpses can be easily transported to their home town for burial ceremonies. The blood of many Nigerians who die because of hardship will be on the head of Tinubu.

MaxInDHouse:
You are just lying shey?
Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself nobody eats poison and survive it's a fallacy added to the Bible book of Mark!

Well, how to I expect an unbelievers like you to believe in the miraculous.

Janosky:
You know your 3 deities invented at Nicene in the year 326 AD by occultic servants of the devil.

Illiterate pastor.

I serve one God who manifest himself in 3 personality - The Father, Jesus, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Its difficult for a carnal man like you to understand this.

MaxInDHouse:
Come on shut up i thought you said your God promised that you can't be harmed after taking poison did i tell you such nonsense?

So, you are scared. I know my God but it seems that you are serving another one. And the other god is the devil.

MaxInDHouse:
Will they go with their physical bodies?

Certainly not. They go as a spirit man. But those who are resurrected during the Rapture go with their glorified body just like the glorified body of Jesus. And a glorified body is different from the natural body which is referred to as flesh and blood. A glorified body has flesh and bones but it has no blood. The life of the glorified body is sustained by the Spirit of God and not by blood. This is why the scripture says;

Philippians 3:21 Who shall CHANGE OUR VILE BODY, that it may be fashioned LIKE UNTO HIS GLORIOUS BODY, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

The verse above affirms that Jesus has a glorious body and also says that our bodies will be changed to be like that of Jesus.

MaxInDHouse:
So why taking them to heaven before returning them to earth nah?
You don't understand something and when we try to TEACH you you will start arguing blindly.

Explain what billions are going to do in heaven before returning to the earth!

The earth he returned them to is as glorious as the heaven they were. So, its not a demotion. And God also came down in the new heaven with master design that no architect on earth can fathom.

Read the description of the New Jerusalem very well. It will be the capital city of the new heaven and the new earth. Though not everyone will dwell in the city of New Jerusalem but everyone will have the opportunity to visit from year to year.

The other cities and other nations will equally be glorious because there will be abundance of everything to beautiful every city. Gold and all forms of precious stones will not be scarce. So, other cities might also be paved with gold but the glory of the New Jerusalem will be far more.

It has always been God's plan to bring everything in heaven and earth together. This was revealed to Apostle Paul by the Spirit when he wrote;

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might GATHER TOGETHER IN ONE all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him

The Easy English Translation puts in this way;

Ephesians 1:10 God will finish his purpose when the time is completely right. Then he will bring everything together, the things in *heaven, and the things on earth. God will bring everything together in Christ, with Christ as the head (the leader).

But the plan couldn't come into effect until the Kingdom of this world is completely destroyed and Satan judged.

So, while the plan lingers, the spirit of Saints who die goes to heaven until the fulfillment of the plan.

MaxInDHouse:
Nobody can verify that but you can come on air as in TV to prove your miracles!

If you agree to take one portion of the poison and I take the other. But you will not be alive to tell the story.

Righthussle:
Which 65% ? The whole salary doesn't last for 2 weeks.

Make una take time oo, UN. We no get joy oo.

Just stole my comment. The world doesn't know what Nigerians are going through. Even Garri is no longer poor man's food. Nothing is cheap anymore.

MaxInDHouse:
You're quoting two different scriptures out of context but if it's about God's throne with humans on earth here is what the Bible says:

With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. Revelations 21:3

According to Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God, God's Kingdom is COMING to planet earth! Matthew 6:10

Your reference is concerning the new heaven and the new earth. The new heaven will come down to earth. Heaven and earth will be merged into one entity. Its only then his Throne would come down to earth.

But right now, his Throne is in heaven and those countless billions from every tribe were all in heaven.

This revelation is too high for you.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm still expecting your so called pastors or friends to take up snakes with their hands and drink poison in public o!

I have been poisoned over a hundred times and I am still alive.

thesicilian:
That statement can go in either direction

It's already in a tragic direction. Only God's intervention will save us. I see revolution caused by hunger. Its all our fault. We all permitted injustice to triumph over truth.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted isn't talking about heaven but those on planet earth if it's the "throne of God" that's confusing you then learn that God's throne connotes His presence necessarily heaven!Exodus 3:5

You must tell more lies to cover previous lies. Even your conscience knows that you are lying. So, God's Throne is now on earth. So the Great White Throne Judgment in Revelation 20:11 also on earth. So, God has left heaven and he uses earth as his operating headquarter. Even Satan will fear your lies. Continue. Son of perdition.

Janosky:
Illiterate pastor quoting spurious insert of his Trinitarian mentors.

Mark 16:17-18 is a dubious INSERT into the holy Bible.
Both verses are not in the oldest manuscript of Mark's gospel.
The authentic Mark chapter 16 ends in verse 8.
Oga ,go and learn, STOP WAILING on this forum.

Illiterate pastor and empty vessel deceiving himself.

Doubting Thomas. The unbelieving will have their part in the Lake of fire- Revelation 21:8

Janosky:

In your Bible Luke 4:25,45. John 16:16-18 & 1 Samuel 16:6. Jehovah's servants are not immune to failed predictions.

Prophet Nathan gave king David a false prophecy.

Oga keep on WAILING .

The verses you quoted has nothing to do with failed predictions. Jehovah Witness and failed predictions is like no 5 & 6. And they are complete Olodo on scripture interpretation.

MaxInDHouse:
Christ Jesus is the Messiah (anointed King of God's kingdom) whose government house is to be stationed in heaven {John 14:1-3} and only 144,000 will be always be with the King of God's kingdom wherever he goes! Revelations 14:1-4
So they are the only number going to rule with him in heaven there is no scripture that says 144,000 will go to heaven specifically but with what the Bible presented to us only a limited number will rule with the Christ {Luke 12:32} and this limited number will be with him always {1Thessalonians 4:16-17} so if the government house will be stationed in heaven {John 14:1-3} then it's wise to conclude that only that number will go with him to heaven!

You see how dumb you are. Please search the scriptures yourself and stop relying on the false teachings from Russell and Rutherford who are both anti Christ. There are several portions of the scriptures that debunks your lies.

First, the passages you quoted never said only that number will be in heaven Let's look at a few scriptures to expose your lies;

1. Revelation 7:9-17
9. After this I beheld, and, lo, A GREAT MULTITUDE, WHICH NO MAN COULD NUMBER, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

15 THEREFORE ARE THEY BEFORE THE THRONE OF GOD, and serve him day and night in his temple: and HE THAT SITTED ON THE THRONE SHALL DWELL AMONG THEM.

16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

17 For the LAMB WHICH IS IN THE MIDST OF THE THRONE SHALL FEED THEM, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Digest this passage first. I will give you many other proofs to expose your lies. Repent and don't let pride destroy you. If you don’t, you will burn in the very hell you deny doesn't exist.

MaxInDHouse:
Stick to the point of discussion not fallacies you're cooking in your head!

Answer the question; where in the scripture did it say only 144,000 will go to heaven?

MaxInDHouse:
You have seen it but pride will not allow you to admit, only those who will rule with Christ Jesus are going to heaven not all believers.
Period!

Seen what? Russell is in hell waiting for you. You don't want to deliver yourself from this evil organisation with all the evidences of their lies.

MaxInDHouse:
Please quote just one publication of Jehovah's Witnesses were it's written word for word:

"The world will end in a (specific date)"

As for end of the world John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth has been proclaiming it since 2,000 years ago so if you think they're wrong that's your own cup of coffee!

It's not a news, search online. They don't even deny it.

MaxInDHouse:
Have you agreed that Satan is the cause of ungodliness not humans?

He is the root cause but you have the choice to say no to his deceits. The scripture says you should resist the devil and he will flee from you.

But, you are still dodging my question. Show me in the Bible where it says that only 144,000 will make heaven.

The Jehovah's Witnesses, a religious organization founded in the late 19th century, have made several predictions about the end of the world, which have not come to pass. These failed prophecies have become a significant point of criticism against the group, raising questions about their leadership and doctrinal accuracy. This essay will explore some of these predictions and the impact they have had on the credibility and beliefs of the organization.

Early Predictions and Their Impact
Charles Taze Russell, the founder of the movement that would later become known as Jehovah's Witnesses, made some of the earliest end-of-the-world predictions. Russell's followers believed that 1914 would mark the end of the "Gentile Times" and the establishment of God's Kingdom on earth. When 1914 came and went without the anticipated apocalyptic events, the organization reinterpreted the prophecy, suggesting that 1914 marked the invisible beginning of Christ's reign in heaven.

The failure of this initial prophecy did not deter the group from making further predictions. In 1920, Joseph Franklin Rutherford, Russell's successor, predicted that 1925 would see the resurrection of the patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, ushering in a new era of God's kingdom. This prediction was publicized widely, and many followers eagerly anticipated the event. When 1925 passed without incident, it caused disappointment and disillusionment among many members, leading some to leave the organization.

The 1975 Prediction
One of the most notable failed prophecies occurred in the lead-up to 1975. Based on interpretations of biblical chronology, the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses suggested that 1975 would mark 6,000 years since the creation of Adam and Eve, implying that Armageddon would occur around that time. The organization published literature and gave talks that strongly hinted at this date as the time when the end of the world would come. Many members adjusted their lives accordingly, selling homes, quitting jobs, and focusing on their religious activities in anticipation of the end.

When 1975 passed without the expected apocalyptic events, it led to widespread disappointment within the organization. The leadership issued statements suggesting that some members might have misinterpreted their guidance, but the damage was done.

It's shocking that some people can't read between lines to know that they are a false organisation. They have misled millions of people and are still same today. Please, if you love your life, come out from among them and be ye separate.

MaxInDHouse

MaxInDHouse:
You're a complete failure!

When God said everything he made is perfect {Genesis 1:31} was there ungodliness in the garden of Eden?

Guy humble yourself and learn, Satan is the one who made Adam the PERFECT man fall there was no ungodliness in the garden of Eden until Satan came in so after 1,000 years reign of Christ Satan will mislead perfect as in holy people again just as he did with Adam God's first human son! Luke 3:38

That's why the scriptures say those who have made it to heaven with Jesus are the only ones who can't fall again as they are far away from Satan's reach! Revelations 20:4-6

So those who are going to heaven to live with Christ Jesus can't be deceived again by Satan {Revelations 12:12} but as for whoever is here on earth they're still within Satan's reach.

Do you get it now?

But those who will reign with Christ during the 1,000 years came from heaven with him. The millennium reign of Christ on earth is not the new earth. The new heaven and the new earth will be unveiled after the Great White Throne Judgment. And the Great White Throne Judgment happens after the millennium reign of Christ.

Christ alone will not come back from heaven to reign on earth for 1,000 years. He is coming back with thousands of Saints. See the evidence below;

Jude 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Did you read above that ten thousands of his Saints are coming with Jesus from heaven.

And this brings to mind for Jesus to rule on earth, he must have a physical body which your organisation denies.

I wish you could be free from junks of misleading doctrines. You are seriously in bondage. It shall never be well with Russell and Rutherford.

MaxInDHouse:
So during the 1,000 years of Christ ungodliness will still be shey?

Mumu!

Who did this to you? But you just read the passage above. If they weren't there, where did Satan get those he deceived after the 1,000 years of Jesus reign. And they are going to be in billions.

The 1,000 years of Jesus reign will be however very peaceful because Satan will be bound for this period of time.

Russell and Rutherford has really damaged your brain that you find difficult to accept the truth in the Bible staring at you.

Do the same for food. Hunger is the cause of many sicknesses. I bet you, rice will drop to 30k per bag and every other item will follow suit.

MaxInDHouse:
So in the Kingdom of your god ungodliness will continue shey?

Now it's obvious you're just a fool!

New heaven and new earth my own God wants to creat no ungodly human will be found there because righteousness is what will happen in Paradise.

Fools like you only open your mouth to talk of Hellfire that you don't even know what it means but God's Kingdom you have nothing tangible to say about it!

You like displaying your ignorance online. The new heaven and the new earth is not yet created during the 1,000 years of Christ on earth. Because after the 1,000 years is over, Satan will be released to deceive the ungodly people on earth. Read the passage below;

Revelation 20:7-9
7 And WHEN THE THOUSAND YEAR'S ARE EXPIRED, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Pride will not let you leave your evil organisation that has brainwashed you with lies through the years.

Kobojunkie:
Everything that is of Christianity is a lie and you all know this even though for reasons beyond you, your egos won't let you admit it even to yourself let alone to others. You can't help yourselves really because that lying tongue on your lot is an addiction you don't seem able to overcome even if your life were on the line for it. 🤔🤔🤔🤔

Please, list some of the lies.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted has settled the matter which means if some are going to rule as Kings with Jesus and they're going to rule over countries and regions then there will be subjects who aren't part of the ruling team.
Get that into your skull!

Sure there will be subjects. And some ungodly people will form the majority of the subject. But they can't rebel against constituted authorities because Satan will be bound for that period.

Meanwhile, answer my question about the 144,000

Kobojunkie:
Of course, anyone who points out the numerous contradictions in the many doctrines you lot hold to is automagically cast as an enemy by you lot. You claim the devil is the father of lies yet the many lies/contradictions you spew every time you open your mouth are somehow excluded from consideration. That is the modus operandi of your religious lot!

Lies like what?