₦airaland Forum

Ezeama400:
As long as there's no serious exportation going on in Nigeria, Naira will keep going down as population keeps growing..

Instead of borrowing for production, we borrow to consume and defend Naira, thereby causing more hardship for Nigerians..

TINUBU RETURN OUR ECONOMY THE WAY YOU MET IT!!

DISASTER !

Our crude oil export is enough to strengthen our naira but the fact is that we are not selling in naira.

If we sell in naira and stop importing refined petrol, naira value will not be less than N100 to a dollar. But most of our wicked and unreasonable leaders are benefiting from the present structure at the expense of the nation. So, corruption and selfishness is what is killing us. And mumu electorates will never have sense. They mortgage their future by voting in these polithiefians for a morsel of meal.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus didn't command us to sell our assets and give it away, the man who came to Jesus was a politician who lives a celebrity lifestyle so to become so lowly and start going to pay uninvited visits to people in his neighborhood will be difficult for him due to his social status that's what Jesus admonished him to sell away and things that may warrant him being the focus of most people when he's with fellow Christians.
To fully understand try to imagine people like Goodswill Akpabio, Babajide Sanwoolu, Femi Gbajabiamila to carry Bible with another fellow Christian knocking on people's doors with the aim of preaching from house to house, do you think householders will listen to what they're preaching?
Of course not! In fact residents in such areas will storm the street waiting for him to come and answer series of questions regarding how their government has failed woefully in meeting the needs of their subjects!

Therefore if such a person wants to cross over from the world kingdom to God's kingdom and become part of those who will rule with Christ then he must do away with all the things that has to do with worldly kingdom along with all it's riches. That's what happened there.

If it's about selling everything we have and giving to the poor as you are thinking do you think a Christian will be able to take care of his immediate family?

So you're getting it all wrong. Jesus didn't command his disciples to sell everything they had that admonish is for politicians and those in governance whose lifestyle is all about celebrity that needs such not all Christians, that is why Jesus never said the same thing to others!

You will perish due to ignorance. And also because you are in a cult group where you are fed with only lies.

Did Jesus give the instructions below to celebrities?

Luke 12:33
Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

The early church did it. We're they celebrities?

Leave that cult group, you will not hear. Worse is your final destination in the pit of hell.

Everlastingson:
Don't be deceived. Increasing workers salary "will lead to inflation", you campaign. But NASS looting and each of them taking home almost #40M per month ( aside looting in billions) doesn't cause inflation. So answer me, is the present inflation caused by the #30k per month MW? Again, don't be deceived. It's poor economic policies that gender inflation, paying workers a living wage does not.

These people didn't start stealing today. They are not up to 0.2% of Nigeria population. Nothing wrong in Labour union demanding wage increase but not the kind of increase they are demanding. I suggest a minimum wage of N60,000 for a start. After a while, they can take it up. Not from N30,000 to N500,000.

MaxInDHouse:
NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION! Revelations 22:18-19

I supported my claim with scriptures from the very lips of my Lord Jesus. And in Matthew 28:19-20, he commanded that we should go and teach everything he has commanded. And one of his commands says we should sell whatsoever we have and give to the poor. If you can't give 10%, is it selling your assets to help the poor that you will do?

Seniormanfeyi06:
France 98

Thanks for the correction.

EasternActivist:
So 5% civil servants pay rise will lead to inflation whereby there is already a hyper inflation... Pass please.

Civil servants are humans please not slaves..

Yes, it will. Though they are relatively few, their purchasing power is high. Probably up to 30% of these who buy things in the market.

Everlastingson:
Common sense is truly not common. How much is "too high"? And the present inflation was caused by what? Mtcheew!!!

Get sense. It will lead to additional inflation. The market women will collect it back. Ask questions. It has happened before.

OneCandleAway:
Have you finished providing affordable milk to the Nigerian children?

Don't mind this government that doesn't have the interest of the people at heart. They are so heartless that even Satan is Saint compared to what our leaders are doing.

EasternActivist:
It's the right of the civil servants to protest their pay... What did you do when the judicial salary was raised 300%

Is the 5% people asking for pay rise you are after.

If you don't have anything reasonable to say just be quiet

There are so many injustices you can't do anything about. Just like the injustice of openly rigged election or where the budget for transportation for President and Vice runs into several billions. The increment of the salary of the judiciary workers alone is gross injustice but the only difference is that it will not lead to inflation as they are relatively few, less than 0.5 % of the working class. So, it won't bring inflation.

Next election, we should have enough sense to elect responsible people into office. We should shun corruption and think about about our future. Now, we have entered one chance. Only God will save us from this wicked and unreasonable leaders.

Kobojunkie:
How will Labor's demands kill the passive populace? If anything, it might be the jolt that finally wakes the average Nigerian man on the street the fk up. Labor should not settle for anything less than $250,000 after this nonsense abeg!

It's possible you are a baby in economics. Such increase will bring inflation. Prices of food items will rise. Transportation costs will also increase. Don't be surprise to see a bag rice being sold for N200,000. A cup of Garri might be sold for N500. Insecurity will rise as more people will be forced into desperate and criminal means to survive. This is the plain truth.

The government knows why naira has no value but because they are benefiting from the existing structure, they are unwilling to change it.

They should stop selling our crude oil in dollars. They should sell in naira. This alone will revive the naira. And I believe in less than 6 months, naira to dollar exchange will not be more than N200 to a dollar.

To further strengthen the naira, we should have a state of emergency in setting up new industries. We need an industrial revolution, mechanised agricultural revolution and constant power. Corruption should be punished sincerely. The mindset of the masses must change. We should stop election rigging and thuggery for politicians. Whatever you are paid will only last for a few moment.

MaxInDHouse:
The early Christians didn't practice tithing that is my point!

I agree. But they practiced what was more than tithing. Tithing is 10%. Some gave 100%. Others well above 70% of what they have. So, please start selling your assets and give to the poor. This is the new testament teaching. Luke 12:33. But if you can't do it, then begin with the 10% and gradually increase your giving over time.

For those who receive tithes, my advice is that they should set apart a percentage of it and reach out to the needy and poor in their midst and around them.

EasternActivist:
How selfish

So they civil servants should perish instead?

The increment must happen

Most of them have friends and relatives who are working for government aswell

I am not against increment but it shouldn't be too high cause it will result in inflation and worsen the situation. The Labour union is the one that is selfish. They are only thinking about themselves. Those working with government at any level are not mere than 5% o those in the working class So, what happens to the remaining 95%? We need a holistic solution. The strike should have been against government policies that are counter productive. It should have been against the insecurity which is contributing to the high cost of food items. It should have been to ask Tinubu to perform or resign.

EasternActivist:
Wow

Reward of judicial sabotage...

Our judiciary has gone to dogs

Anything 150k for minimum wage is not acceptable

It won't happen. You want to kill the larger percentage of Nigerians who are not working in any of the tiers of government.

MaxInDHouse:
You're getting it all wrong!

How many of his disciples sold everything they had?

The man wanted to become part of those who will rule with Jesus in heaven so Jesus told him to sell everything he had and give to the poor.

Who are the poor?

Jesus said:

"Blessed are the poor (in spirit) for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" Matthew 5:3

The poor in spirit are Jesus' anointed brothers who were given the task to gather faithful and obedient humans throughout the earth this people are poor in that the assignment is really weighty therefore they need the support of humans physically, materially, emotionally and spiritually to succeed in their assignments {Matthew 25:34-40} so if anyone wants to do what Jesus told that man he or she will give away whatever he had to support Jesus' anointed brothers and such a person will have treasures in heaven! Matthew 6:19-21
For instance there are Christians in the first century who gave up their businesses or jobs to join Jesus' disciples and become lifetime pioneers like Paul, today many are also doing the same by willing all their properties to the Watchtower and becoming preachers and teachers from house to house doing the work of God's kingdom.
Some had shares in big companies they also willed all their benefits to Watchtower that's what some Ex-jws noticed but instead of them to ask why these people are doing so they started looking for ways to discredit God's organization claiming that the Watchtower invested in weapon production whereas it's the primary investor who gave up his shares to support the kingdom work.
So if you hear that Jehovah's Witnesses are the richest organization on planet earth don't be surprised none of our leaders has any property worth being noted everything belongs to Jesus who is working with his true disciples in this endtime! Matthew 28:20

Do we practice tithing to make this work?

NO!

The disciples of Jesus forsook all to follow Jesus. So, they already made their sacrifices.

The early Church sold their possession and it was shared to those in need.

Jesus taught an eternal principle. His message was not just for the audience of his days. So if you don't want to practice tithing, do what Jesus instructed us to do. Period.

MaxInDHouse:
So it's when God announced to the Israelites that tithing became official among worshipers of the true God not when Abraham paid that's why his descendants never practiced it until it was incorporated into the laws given to them.

But those laws includes animal sacrifices and burning of incense so do you still make animal sacrifices and incense burning today?
If you don't then all such practices has ended with the old covenant! Hebrews 7:11-12

We give our tithes not based on the law of Moses but based on principles. This is not even my point. My point is those who say that tithe ended with the law should practice what Jesus taught. Jesus said that we should sell our assets and give to the poor. This is more than 10%. To the young rich ruler, he aaked him to sell everything. This is giving 100%. So tithing is just a child's play compared to what Jesus demands of us.

So, you must do one of them. And we know that 10% is much easier than giving away 100%. You can't decide to give nothing. You must give something. The minimum is 10%. If you can't do that, you are a thief and a robber. You are overly stingy and you will die in poverty. Giving opens opportunities for more blessings. The more you give, the more chances of getting blessed.

MaxInDHouse:
When was it incorporated into law?

In the wilderness, after they left Egypt.

paxonel:
lies, that's not what they say.

Those who condemn it are saying that tithing was a practice of another religion entirely, not Christianity.
Another religion entirely in the sense that the old testament where tithing was practiced was Judaism and not Christianity.
And that even the current day people who still practice judaism do not practice tithing anymore and they are one of the most successful people on earth currently.

And that the practice portray people in church to be a gathering of a very foolish and myopic people who lack scriptural understanding thus willingly allowing themselves to be used and scammed.

So tithing in church is scam

I don't know why Africans like suffering themselves for nothing.
If you want to give to the church why not give according to what you have with a willing heart?

Christianity has its link with Abraham because that is where the promise started from. God told Abraham that he will bless the nations of the world through his seed which is Christ.

The nation of Israel are also the physical descendents of Abraham. So, Christianity and Judaism has something in common. We use the same Old Testament. But the coming of Jesus has made us one.

MaxInDHouse:
WRONG!

When God called the Israelites out of Egypt He promised to take them to a place where they will be established as an independent nation and secure them so that no nation no matter how mighty can make them to tremble! Exodus 29:45

He also said they will become a nation of priests {Exodus 19:6} so there will be sacrifices and other sacred deeds among these people therefore God told them that the inheritance should be shared among all the tribes except one tribe: LEVITES! Numbers 18:20

So when sharing the inheritance of Israel Levites were exempted and God commanded the rest of their brothers that is the remaining children of Jacob to make use of their own inheritance then after they've realized gain they should divide their gain into ten parts and bring one out of the ten for the Levites in the Tabernacle! Deuteronomy 14:26

This means it's not tenth part of what they were given that they are to bring rather it's the tenth part of what they gain!

The Levites also must pay tithes and who are to benefit from these? It's the orphans, widows and stranded travelers in Israel so the orphans, widows and stranded travelers are completely exempted from paying of tithes as they are on the receiving end. Deuteronomy 14:29

This is what the Israelites continue with until they were captured and taken into exile in Babylon but when God brought back the Jews to their land pure worship was restored and what happened? Most Jews don't want to pay the tithes anymore they felt since the nation has been conquered and they're no longer with the rest of the ten tribes it's no longer reasonable to go paying tithes in the rebuilt temple. Nehemiah 13:10
That's why God sent Malachi to remind them that it's because of pure worship that He brought them back to the promised land and they are robbing Him if they stop paying tithe as Levites wouldn't have food to eat neither would orphans, widows or stranded travelers! Malachi 3:6-11

So is tithe paying required after the religion of the Jews has been discarded?

Since the temple was destroyed in the year 70.c.e the duties of Levites ended and their services (slaughtering animals, burning incense and other things) is no longer required so there's no reason for worshipers of God to pay tithe again because what Christians practice today has nothing to do with sacrifices or burning of incense with is the primary reason the tithe was instituted! Hebrews 7:5-12

Thank you, God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Tithing didn't start with the Law of Moses. Abraham paid tithe several years before the Law of Moses was given. Jacob, his grandson vowed to give God a tenth of what he receives. He didn't limit it to gains.

So, the church pays tithe because Abraham, our father of faith did. And the scripture says that we should walk in the footsteps of Abraham.

rickleye:
It’s unfortunate but the climate we are in comes from the fact that you want to have churches in every nook and corner. I bet there are over 2000 different churches in Nigeria. Which might be the same number alone of RCCG church in Lagos alone .
The emphasis should be on quality and quantity. With quantity- the churches will need to be self reliant . It’s not that the HQ assists financially with the setup anyways yet they need to remit finances to HQ. This allows the pastor to either break out independently cuz they never felt financially supported anyways.

And pardon me - look at the state of nation and look at the number of churches and you know people seeing God as a vending machine or as an ATM.
Now, thank God we are not Haiti but crap we are getting close.
We might be able to quote scriptures but practical implementation is lacking with real repentance.

There is nothing wrong in having churches even in every compound but standards must not be comprised. The Pastor's sent must be a genuine Pastor and he must preach and teach God's word without compromise.

It's not difficult to fix this country but selfishness on the part of our keaders is one stumbling block.

Phranx1:
Only God Almighty knows those that truly righteous.

The subject is tithe. My point is that those condemning it should practice what Jesus taught about giving.

And those who receive it should review how they administer it.

Both parties have flaws

The subject of tithing is getting more controversial as each day passes by. Most churches teach and practice it while quite a few condemns it.

Those who condemn it use the excuse that Jesus and his Apostles didn't instruct the present day church to do it. And they are very correct. But they don't know why Jesus didn't emphasise it nor his disciples. This is my focus in this article. By the time I am through, you will be begging God to receive your tithe.

The main reason Jesus didn't emphasise tithe payment is because its far below what he wants us to do. Jesus wants us to be solely dependent on God as our source. He wants to take us to new realm of life where only God is the one we depend and lean on to provide all of our needs and not our salary.

So, Jesus doesn't ask you to give 10%. He wants us to give 100%. If those attacking tithe payment are reluctant to pay tithe, can they give away all that they have to help the poor? The answer is certainly no.

What are the scripture references that affirms that Jesus demand is 100% and not 10%?

In Marks gospel, a young rich ruler had an encounter with Jesus. And he asked Jesus what he should do to inherit eternal life. Jesus said he should keep or obey the commandments of God. He said he has done all that from his youth. Then, Jesus said to him;

Mark 10:21
One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Does this look like 10% to you. Certainly not. Jesus asked the man to empty his account and even sell all his assets. This is giving away 100% of what you have. Can those people condemning tithe give away 100% to help the poor? They can't even give away 1%. And you can't stand on the fence. You condemn tithe because Jesus didn't say much about it. Then, practise the one he talked about.

The verse above is rendered thus in the International Standard Version;

Mark 10:21.
Jesus looked at him and loved him. Then he told him, “You’re missing one thing. Go and sell everything you own, give the money to the destitute, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come back and follow me.”

Oh, he was only talking to the rich man you might want to argue. But he also gave the instruction to everyone in Luke 12:33 which reads;

"Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth."

The early Church practised it on two recorded occasions- Acts 4:43-47 & Acts 4:34-37

Tithing is the minimum requirement of the demonstration of your faith. As you faithfully do it, his grace upon your life will increase so you can give more.

My only advice to Pastors of churches and ministry is to set aside part of the tithe and help the poor. Anything less than this is wickedness.

MaxInDHouse:
Tithe payers!

Busy body. Stay away from my thread if you have nothing to say.

It true that our naira no longer has value. Even a bachelor can hardly survive with a salary of N100,000 per month. But minimum wage increase above 100% of the present amount will cause more problems especially to the unemployed who are more in number.

You don't solve one problem and create even a worse one. How many people are employed by government in this country? They are less than 5% of the working class. And we have more unemployed people in Nigeria.

If the minimum wage is increased far above N60,000 the result will be;

1. Inflation rate will be very high. Bag of rice could go from N70,000 to N150,000. A cup of garri could reach N500 per cup. This will affect students and the unemployed.

2. Crime rate will increase as so many not in government will do anything to survive. Armed robbery will increase. The number of Yahoo boys will rise. Ritual killings will also increase. And people will live in constant fear.

So the solution is not salary increase of the magnitude Labour is asking for because they won't get it. They are fighting a selfish fight. What happens to the larger population who are not government employed? We need a holistic solution.

This is my opinion.

smasher1:
It's correct. You can only improvise to spend less. Anyone spending below the survival mode 350 is hardly surviving.

Don't mind him. He has no family. Maybe, someone is feeding him. So, he is not faced with the reality of the present situation.

Meanwhile, NEPA bill, gas, fuel, school fee,toiletries, clothes etc are not included.

helinues:
Why can't the labour be serious for once?

Don't mind them. They should be more reasonable in their demands. Minimum wage increase above N60,000 will bring about inflation and destroy the economy. Before you know it, one cup of Garri will cost N500 or more.

Besides, it's only helping those employed by government and they are less than 5% of those in the working class. So, what happens to the rest of Nigerians? We need a more holistic approach.

ArcSEMPECJ:
In the North,a Southern soldier is always careful on how he talks or handles the Indigenes,, because no Northern Soldier will help him out if the Indigenes descend on him...

This further affirms injustice against the South and we have a President from the South who is supposed to address this issue. We never utilize our opportunities when it's our time to rule. This was how Goodluck Jonathan wasted his 5 years of rule.

Why is it only in the South that soldiers come heavily against civilians when their people are killed? They don't do the same in the North. Ironically, more soldiers have been killed in the North than in the South.

They have no ideas of what to do to move the nation forward. So, they have to occupy themselves with this meaningless project to form busy.

What else do we expect him to say. There is hope because it's their time to loot and the looting is going on well.

Jesus is coming back. Who can stop him? There are two different coming of Jesus First, he is coming to take the faithful Saints home (heaven). This phenomenon is what we call the rapture of the church.

The second time he will come back is to rescue Israel from the persecution of the anti Christ that will be revealed in the future and establish his 1,000 years reign on earth.

In the first one (rapture), he will come like a thief. He will not descend visibly to the earth. He will stop as far as the sky or cloud. The trumpet will sound and only those who hear the trumpet will rise from the dead. And our bodies will be changed to a glorious imperishable body.

But in the second coming, all eyes on earth shall see him. But it will be a terrifying experience.

Now, the question is, who can stop Jesus? Is it the devil and his cohorts that he openly triumphed over? If he could not be stopped from rising from the dead, no one can stop him from coming back now that he has all authority.

Your unbelief will not stop him. He will certainly come. Are you ready for him? It will be disaster for those who will be left behind.

Your religion will not save you. Jesus is the only way to God.

jaephoenix:
You know, ignorance is truly bliss.
Back in the ancient days, they didn't know what caused reproduction, lightning, floods or volcanic eruptions, so they attributed it to gods. Fast forward to centuries later, we all know how all those happen. Right now in 2024 where knowledge is ubiquitous, ignorant folks like you still believe gods 'did it'.
The Earth rotates (or spins) because it has intrinsic angular momentum, inherited from the Solar nebula from which it formed. It orbits the Sun, because it has angular momentum with respect to it, also gained from the primordial nebula. In case u don't know what Angular Momentum, it is the property of a rotating body given by the product of the moment of inertia and the angular velocity of the rotating object.
The organs in the body are composed of cells which are powered by ATP, and their actions are encoded in their nuclear DNA. In fact, these functions can easily go haywire due to poorly coded DNA leading to such diseases like autoimmune disease and cancers. If you assume they are all caused by a god then u insinuate that god is a bumbling idiot who messes up stuff.
I think you need to ask for a reimbursement of your school fees. Your education was a monumental waste of resource

Enjoy your folly while it last. You brain will reset when you land in hell. But it will be too late to repent.