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honesttalk21:
Don't all people know that they will eventually die on Earth?

Pathetic you try to make a mountain of this. Is this not simply a saying, prayer and well wishing for a good earthly life and after life?

You don't understand my point. Jesus said he will die but your Quran said he didn't die. This is a contradiction because Prophets speaks under the inspiration of the spirit of God. And what they say are supposed to come to pass.

honesttalk21:
Can you define or explain what Messiah means?

Does it mean one who doesn't die?

Therein is a big miracle?

How many councils were held and used to define Christianity?
A religion Yeshua didn't found or did he categorically say you should abandon the old ways and tradition of Jews in Judaism?

Did Ecumenical councils not hold from 325 to 1965 to edit and re-edit Christianity.

Didn't Pagan Emperor Constantine Use Christianity to Unify Church and State?

Messiah means Saviour. The whole human race was under the power of darkness on account of the sin of the first man, Adam. And the Bible says that the wages of sin is death. So, for us to be free from the power of darkness, someone has to die for the entire human race. And Jesus was the only person qualified to die for us. Three reasons he was the only one who could die for us are;

1. He was born of a virgin. So, the sin nature of Adam was not in him. In other words, he was born sinless. And it's only a sinless man that can die for the sinful world.

So, to even said he die makes a mockery of his birth. Why did God look for a virgin to carry that Saviour of the world and he didn't fulfil his mission.

2. He was subjected to the same kind of temptation the first Adam failed. But Jesus didn't fail.

3. He fulfilled all the prophecies of the Old Testament. He was a Jew. He was of the lineage of David. And every other prophecies concerning him was fulfilled.

So, for Quran to say Jesus didn't die is to deny those deceived by such statement of their salvation.

It is faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus that saves a man. If you don't believe he died and rose from the dead, you cannot be saved - Romans 10:9-10.

But Jesus died and rose again. It is foolishness to believe the testimony of someone who was born over 500 years after the event happened and reject the testimonies of several eye witnesses some of which were his disciples.

Please, use your brain and don't be deceived.

mhmsadyq:
Off cause Jesus will die and he will be raised up just live every other soul.

You didn't say anything.

Your Quran Jesus said he will die and be raised up from the dead. Your Allah said he didn't die. So why the contradiction? If Jesus is a prophet according to your Quran, what he said should have come to pass. This contradiction questions the authenticity of your Quran as a divine revelation.

AbuTwins:
All these theory are lies! God is not a man - Numbers 23:19.

Samson too was empowered by the same spirit to kill people. Jesus was simply a man!

The contexts of the verse is oneness of purpose and not oneness of persons! He did say the father is greater than him too!

So he is a worshipper!

But God was calling them son so why can't they call him father? So how did God born Jesus, is it by reproduction, adoption or what means?

He was speaking in parables and did confuse them!

John 16:25
"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

Why wasn't Jesus speaking in a normal and clear way all the time? Why did Jesus then go and say that he won't 'use this kind of language' according to the Bible?

Well, here we find out why...

Mark 4:10-12
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

This is part of the Nicene creed that was fixed for you in the council of Nicaea!

Is your Spirit separate from you? If your God has a Spirit then it should not be another person other than him!



So the father can send the son on errand! The Son can send the spirit on errand! How are they equal? Trinity is a flaw that you just have to believe by faith! The Bible scholars have tried to prove and explain it from the Bible and in reality but they've always failed!

So i need to be born again to understand God when the statement is clear?

Hear O Israel the Lord our God is ONE!

Your Quran puts your Allah and your Jesus at the same level. Do you want me to show you?

StillDtruth:
Are boyfriend/girlfriend- fiance/fiancee not first put together?

If it is so, then why are they still commanded not to have sex and birth children until after they are duly married by their Parents and Authorities?

These are customes established by people and according to the moral requirements of the law. And the scripture says that we should give custom to whom custom is due.

Some culture gives out their women for free while others cut your throat. The first two people had the approval of God. They didn't need any marriage ceremony.

Certain statements made in the Quran are designed to ensure Muslims never see the light which is in Jesus alone.

However, a few other statements points to that light - Jesus.

If Jesus didn't die, then no one is saved. Salvation is in the blood he shed.

MaxInDHouse:
Mumu!
Jesus said:

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:5 KJV

“Happy are the mild-tempered, since they will inherit the earth" NWT

David said:

For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth. Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. NWT

For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace. KJV Psalms 37:9-11

So it's this same earth not another one that we will inherit when all evildoers are gone for good in fact they will no longer be in places where they used to be {Psalms 37:10} àbí it's on another planet that we will be looking for where they used to be?

So, if a juju man is meek, he will inherit the kingdom of God.

Janosky:
Pastor is desperate to derail this thread to protect the FRAUD invented at Nicene 326 AD

The Gospel of John and several other books were written before the book you claimed. I believe in the Deity of Christ from the evidence contained in the Bible and not in any other book. I don't even know the book you are talking about.

All the evidences pointing to the Deity of Christ are in the Bible and even Satan cannot deny it. You just want to make yourself an anti Christ and a son of perdition

mhmsadyq:
You just want to argue as always.
You have posited in other posts that Jesus is God.

Why is the prayer of Jesus of the Qur'an excites you?

Answer my question. Why did your Quran say that Jesus didn't die. That Allah made it appear so?

Yet it says that Jesus is Messiah 11 times in the Quran. If he didn't die, how did he save mankind?

Again, how can you believe the time of someone who was born over 500 years after the incident took place and reject the testimonies of those present? Is it not foolishness?

Sura 19:34
Peace be upon me the day I was born and the day I will die, and the day I will be raised up alive.

The verse above reveals Jesus predicted his death and resurrection. So, how come another portion said he didn't really die. So, did he lie as a Prophet in the Quran?

Please, Muslims should come and defend this ooo.

MaxInDHouse:
Left behind to inherit PARADISE EARTH when all unbelievers are destroyed:

"For only the upright will reside in the earth, And the blameless will remain in it. As for the wicked, they will be cut off from the earth, And the treacherous will be torn away from it." Proverbs 2:21-22

Guy READ YOUR BIBLE!

Back up your point with New Testament. You are so backward. Just like a lawyer using old Constitution for defense in the court of law.

Janosky:
Wetin concern trumpet sound with your man made GIBBERISH invented at Nicene 326 AD?

E go shock you. The host of hell couldn't stop Jesus from rising from the dead. So, who will stop him from descending from heaven? Nobody.

Janosky:
Why won't the devil recognize the delusion created at Nicene 326 AD?

Busybody. You will continue to do busybody until the trumpet will sound and you will be left behind.

Westerhoffe:
Yes… but he sure doesn't want men to know so that they won't be saved.

Sure. This is why we must keep preaching the gospel everywhere we go and to everyone we meet. Some will believe but most won't believe because of the pleasures of this world and the deceitfulness of riches. Blessed are those who hear and believe.

StillDtruth:
You are showing you are very stupid, for you the bible shows God was there and He goes visiting them, have you started going mad and blind?

As I said, if it is a Lie now you will easily eat it!

And the God that goes visiting them has already joined them in marriage. What is your problem? You want God to throw party?

StillDtruth:
Are you blind and stupid? Or are you one of the products of the useless education people get?

During traditional and customary weddings all over the world, who weds the couple?

Is it the couple who we'd themselves?

As I said, if it is a Lie now you will easily eat it!

You are acting more dumb. They are the only two people on earth. No third person. Is your brain sick?

Reflect7:
The christian population of China is 7%.

If YOU were born in China, YOUR chances of being a christian would have been 7%.

By your CRAZED, DEMENTED CHRISTIAN LOGIC THEREFORE, the average Chinese man has been CONDEMNED even before birth.

While YOU, a Nigerian who had a 50% chance of being born a christian, are unjustly 'favoured'.

THAT'S WHY YOUR CHRISTIAN BELIEF OF BEING THE ONLY ROUTE TO GOD IS FALSE.

GOD CANNOT BE THAT MUCH OF AN IDIOT WITH NO SENSE OF JUST5ICE.

There will be revival in these last days that will usher countless millions and billions into the kingdom of Christ. You had better enter before the door will be shut against you.

If God could destroy the entire world and save only eight souls in Noah's day, he can do it again.

He also destroyed two cities, Sodom and Gomorrah and saved only Lot and his family.

Reflect7:
I've met a woman, my wife's relative, who told me she once had an out-of-body experience.

She is a serious lady, not just anyone.

I said personal testimony not someone else.

Well in any case, death souls sometimes lingers in the realm of death before they eventually go to heaven or hell. So, there experiences cannot be used to debunk the existence of hell or heaven because there are many more people who have had near death experience that went to heaven or hell.

StillDtruth:
Another kneejerk!

Why do you speak so unwisely when you run into a fact you find unpleasant?

Is God not their Parent and Authority?

Which boyfriend/girlfiriend and Fiance/fiancee does not know that they have a right to have sex?

But hasn't The Law of Holiness prohibited them from having sex after they are duly wedded and put together by their Families and Authorities?

If you even ask true christians who kept themselves chaste and undefiled before marriage, you would see that they would tell you that satan did everything and threw everything to break them up and destroy God's Plans for them, even before they married

And it even apoears that, that was one of the hardest and worse times of their lives because of the different types of hot and evil, evils Satan wrought!

And do you not remember that before these evil days, it was said "Satan hates marriages and does everything to break the couple?"

Please, try to hold your intellligence, even.if you are met with something you do not like and find very unpleasant. If it was a lie now you won't react like this.

"People swallow greedily any lie that flatters them but sip only little by little at a truth they find bitter.'" Dennis Diderot

Which school did you attend? Or are you one of the product of the falling standard of education? I asked a question, 'who will wed them when they are the only two humans on earth'?. Please, answer the question and stop beating around the bush.

Beautifulday:
He doesn't manifest in the three. Is like some pastors saying holy Spirit is moving in them. Holy Spirit doesn't move in people. He gives you instructions, he doesn't force you to obey it.

What you call God manifesting in Jesus or Holy Spirit is because you see the three working together to achieve one purpose.

Jesus is trying to achieve the same purpose holy Spirit is trying to achieve. The same applies to the father and you think it is one person manifesting in different form. No! It is not.

Where was Jesus before he was born?

AbuTwins:
So Jesus is God in Human flesh and yet still worshipped God? Where did Jesus say he has the same nature of God in him?

Does it mean that the father and spirit too can become human and die like Jesus?

Is Jesus coequal with the father and Spirit? If yes, Prove it?

Yes, he is God in human flesh but he didn't function as God on earth. This is why he had to be anointed by the Holy Spirit to carry out his mission.

However, he was very conscious of his divinity and said it in many ways. But on earth, he functioned as a man empowered by the Holy Spirit.

On one occasion, he said, I and my father are one. This is one proof that he is equal with God in the very essence of his nature. He had the divine life of God flowing in his vein.

So as man on earth, he had to worship the Father.

Notice that before Jesus came, no one ever called God father. Not even the likes of Abraham, Moses, David, Elijah etc.

So, the Jews wanted to kill him for calling God is father. They knew what he meant. They accused him of making himself equal with God.

The Holy Spirit is also known as the Spirit of the father. In another place, he is called the Spirit of Christ. That shows the oneness in the Trinity.

On one occasion, he said that he will send the Holy Spirit from the Father. On another occasion, he said that the Father will send the Holy Spirit. Trinity is a mystery beyond human comprehension. You receive such truth with your spirit. You can't figure it out with your senses because it doesn't make sense. This is why you should be born again so you can have the capacity to grasp certain spiritual truths that the mind cannot understand.

Reflect7:
Spoken like a truly brainwashed person.

If you had been born in China or India or Mali, you would have a completely different world view.

You think christianity is the “only real way” because you were born in a region invaded by British colonialists a mere 120 years ago, and their doctrines were drilled into your head as a child.

If you had been born in China, the doctrines of Buddha would have been drilled into your head as a child, and by now, only Buddhism would be the “real truth” in your head.

So you are a Christian simply due to where you were born. Stop deceiving yourself that it is the “only way”.

God doesn’t save according to geography.

There are millions of converts in China who are Christians who meet secretely in underground churches. Most of them have memorized entire books because they are not allowed to be seen with physical Bible. So each of them read out the portion they have memorized during fellowship. They have discovered true fulfillment that can only be found in Christ. It is my earnest prayer that you find it also.

StillDtruth:
By proper marriage!

Looking at the fact that potential husbands and wives are supposed to stay chaste and undefiled till they are properly joined together in marriage by their authorities and guardians to wit their parents and family, retrospectively, God also planned on doing that on them since He and His People were their Parents and Guardians and Family.

So, a First Big Wedding should have taken place and after that wedding, they would have been free to have sex and give birth to pure God like children.

So they obviously were at the premarriage stage (fiance/fiancee) before satan struck through female Adm and obliterated God's Plans!

Now you can see that see that cheating/fornication first took place in the garden and why the bible and Christianity emphasizes on chastity and no defilement before marriage.

You talk like someone on drugs. Who is going to wed them when they were the only humans on earth. Are you okay?

They had the express permission of God when God told them to go and multiply.

Are you trying to act comedy?

Westerhoffe:
I have a write out on this, and may be posting it soon, and it's all the evidences from the Bible that proves JESUS CHRIST is GOD.

Even the devil knows.

AbuTwins:
O Apologies my good!

How can the son of God = God the father himself?

Who said he is God the Father himself?

He is not. But he has the very nature of God in him. He is God in human flesh. He is the full expression of God the Father.

AbuTwins:
You inferred this. He was human born through the vagina, was breast fed, cried, was even protected by humans!

This is a misinterpretation from your Bible translators. Ego Eimi occurs in many places in the New Testament but only in John 8:58 was it translated as I am!

Prophets of God can intercede for humans to seek God's forgiveness!

So if you call your dad father then you become equal to him? How does this make sense to you?

So if i send you a message at a time when there was no SMS, internet, phones, etc, is seeing the messenger not the same as seeing the sender of the message?

Jesus forgot to say this when he was walking around preaching to people! Na John come dey see things for vision!

So if God sent Jesus message that means Jesus is not God! If Jesus too can send Holy spirit message then that means the three are not coequal. They don't have equal power! So God is not the son nor the spirit!

He never accepted worship but homage! Many other men of God accepted such homage like Joseph whose whole family worshipped him.

Give us a Bible verse that describes Jesus as only incarnate son of God? Abeg John 3:16 didn't say incarnate son o!

How can son of God = God?

I know you guys are desperate to make Jesus God!
But he is simply human!

You asked, how can Son of God be God?

Is like asking, how can Son of man be man?

Use your common sense.

Veecruz:
Knee jerk reaction to Truth!

Off point! You do not state how and why it is a Lie.



If she added that part has she not Lied (blasphemed) against God, and also be in trouble with God for adding to His Word?

When you tell your children not to.take your car, would you not even add "don't even touch the key"?

Do you pretend also not to see that God regularly visits them from time to time therefore He would repeat it to her just to be certain that she was aware?

Tertullian: “The first reaction to truth is hatred.”

How were they supposed to multiply if they were not supposed to have sex?

Reflect7:
Nigeria Must Develop A New RELIGION And Sell It To The World Like They Sold Us Christianity & Islam.

We must revisit our traditional African spirituality, and build a world class religion out of it.

It must be very spiritual, and assist us and the rest of the world in our moral and ethical rejuvenation.

We must build TEMPLES for the religion, and they must be well built and maintained.

One thing I've noticed is that ANYTHING NIGERIAN SELLS in today's international market.

Our Nollywood, but most especially our Afrobeats superstars have made Nigeria a very hot cake in international circles.

A well-branded, well packaged new Nigerian religion will take off and spread like wildfire around the world.

This is the best time to use a dynamic, new, modern, home-grown Nigerian RELIGION to push a pax-Nigeriana to Africa and the rest of the world.

Let's do it.

True Christianity is not a religion. It's a revelation of the righteousness of God, love of God, fatherhood of God, grace of God and the life of God in human flesh.

Reflect7:
HOW THE HELL is anybody supposed to KNOW how the world began?

Get this: The ONLY person who knows for certain how the world began is the CREATOR HIMSELF.

No other person knows.

All that humans can do is speculate. The bible Creation story is just one out of thousands of Creation stories from around the world.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to claim it is the 'TRUE' story.

For starters it says the Earth and everything on it was made in a 7 day period. Does that sound reasonable to you?

And then some Christians to cover their embarrassment claimed the 7 days doesn't actually MEAN 7 days.

But they never actually say what it means! Is it 7 years? 7 months?, 7,000 years?, 700 years?, 7 million years?

So all we have are Creation myths or legends.

For instance, ''The Wassa people of Ghana have a myth of creation that traces creation back to Onyankopon - the great God of fullness and
satisfaction who, before creation, was the only being in existence. He created the world to become a companion to him, a wife. Added
to the world which he created were also spirits who would also keep him company. He ensured that the world was beautiful and he asked
the spirits to visit his wife from time to time. They will make their journey to the world using a long chain that springs from his throne.
He also gave the spirits permission to inhabit realities that are on the earth. Their major responsibility was to run errands for him.''

ajol-file-journals_415_articles_217834_submission_proof_217834-4945-535653-1-10-20211123.pdf

This is as much a valid Creation story as anything you've read in that bible.

Then we have the Akan Creation story:

''Among the Akan, God created the world in the order of the heavenly universe, the earth, rivers, waters, plants, animals, man. The order
that we find in creation affirms that man is at the center of the African universe, because we see that God creates every other thing
in preparation for man’s wellbeing in the world.''

ajol-file-journals_415_articles_217834_submission_proof_217834-4945-535653-1-10-20211123.pdf

So UNLESS God Himself comes down to Earth and explains how he created the world, all we can do is speculate. And there is nothing wrong with that. If God wanted us to know, he would have made the story clear to EVERYONE, and not just Romans.



There is no ''original Bible''! There are original Hebrew texts from which the bible was compiled.

It's like there were (and still are) around a thousand different Hebrew scrolls, including some called the Nag Hammadi scrolls, and some Roman elite under the auspices of Emperor Constantine selected like 300 of them and put their contents into a book they named 'the bible', and called it ''the Word of God''!

That's all that happened!

The Romans claimed they were ''inspired by God'' to select which texts to include in their book, and which to exclude.

I mean, come on!

If you study the excluded texts, you can clearly see that they challenged the conventional narrative of the present bible, and showed the whites as oppressors whose time for justice would soon come.

Of course that was the last thing they wanted in the bible, so no inclusion of those texts!

Some excluded Hebrew texts even present Yahweh as a deranged entity that needs caging, and that the being called 'Satan' is actually the entity who did the right things for humans by trying to let them become intelligent and civilised, while Yahweh wanted to keep them down, ignorant, subservient and oppressed!

For me, knowing how devious these white people can be, those excluded texts are probably closer to the TRUTH than the included ones.



Mr Man, if you want to know about future events, your best bet is to visit your village's most respected traditional priest.

He will perform a divination session and tell you what he sees.

So, your the god of your ancestors is blind. And you are following blind gods.

Without the Bible, the world would have been in the dark. And you are rejecting the only source of truth in the world. It seems you love darkness.

Veecruz:
https://www.nairaland.com/7947204/truly-forbidden-fruit-sex#127583663

Lies from the pit of hell. It's not consistent with other portions of the Bible. God created sex to be enjoyed but within the confines of marriage. God every prescribed one year Honey moon for married couples in the Law of Moses. This shows how much God wants couples to enjoy sex. So, sex cannot be the forbidden fruit.

God never even said don't touch it. Eve wasn't there when God gave the instruction to Adam. So, she added that part just as most information are usually distorted when it passes through different media.

Expanse2020:
Servant of God bawo I hope everyone is son of God

Correction.

I meant I am NOT aware Odumeje is a servant of God.

Beautifulday:
The father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are different distinct personalities.

Sure but one God manifesting in three persons.