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BadPanda:
@Ken4Christ

"Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not FLESH AND BONES, as ye see me have.

Jesus told Thomas Dydimus that he has flesh and bones. That he is not a spirit."

This, you explained perfectly. Jesus was differentiating between a spirit person and a human. The disciples were frightened and thought they had just seen a spirit. Jesus said a spirit does not have flesh and bones. But he does.

Then you said;

"The resurrected body is not sustained by blood. It is sustained by the very life of God."

What scriptural reference work did you get this statement from?
How the resurrected body is no longer sustained by Blood but by God's spirit, where did you see that in your Bible?

And what of the "flesh" in the "flesh and bones"?
1Cor.15:50 says that "FLESH and BLOOD cannot inherit God's Kingdom".
From what you are saying it may mean that we will all have to be walking around in skeletons. (joking tho )

"We too will no longer have blood after resurrection. But we will have flesh and bones. As such we are no longer ordinary humans but supernatural being sustained with the very life of God."

You have not given any scripture to back up the claim.
That verse alone cannot hold all these statements that you just made.

When Jesus said "Flesh and Bones", it obviously includes blood. You have heard of other instances where this phrase is also used to emphasize the person's physical existence.
"I saw him in Flesh and Bones!!!".

What do you think Jesus' listeners - the disciples - understood from that statement?
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Jesus already shed his blood. So, his new body is sustained by the Spirit of life and not by blood.

We too will receive the same glorified body after resurrection.

Michael547:
So did angels in the time of Abraham and lot that came to earth and appeared to humans and even ate food, did they have a glorified body? Were the angels spirit or humans with flesh and bone?

Angels are ministering spirits with flesh and bones.

It's only God the Father and the Holy Spirit who has no flesh and bone.

We humans are also spirit beings but with physical body sustained by blood.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know the difference between disciples and Churchgoers?

Disciples are people who have dedicated their lives to preaching and teaching like Jesus did in his time, that's what the inhabitants of Antioch noticed before they began calling them "CHRISTIANS" {Act 11:26} not just gathering in one place every Sunday to make noise!

You make me laugh. If only you know that you are making disciples for the devil. You know that your doctrines are false. I have proven it over and over again.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course it's FREE because contributions from wealthy ones in the truth is what we use but yours is a personal business not to help people to become disciples of Christ rather you're looking for thieves like you to train them how to gather gullible followers and start making money through their gullibility!

Yours is luring people away from the truth of God's word. Mine is designed to raise true disciples for Christ. I have over 50 books yet to be published. And they are all designed to raise disciples and acquaint them with the truth of God's word.

Michael547:
Ok....so if Jesus was not a spirit, how was he able to appear and disappear from the midst of his disciples and even enter into a locked room? Why do his disciples not readily recognize him anytime he appears to them?

He is able to disappear and appear at will because he has a glorified body.

How did he ascend to heaven? He ascended to heaven before the very eyes of those standing by. This is the difference between the glorified body and the ordinary human body.

When I pastored my first church, it grew from 18 members in first service to over 600 in just two years. This was from 2000 to 2002. And I did it as a lay Pastor. I was not on full time. I was not on salary or any form of allowance. That church has produced over 50 Pastors, some of them are group pastors today while quite a few others have their personal ministry.

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BadPanda:
Dude where did you read that

Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not FLESH AND BONES, as ye see me have.

Jesus told Thomas Dydimus that he has flesh and bones. That he is not a spirit.

The resurrected body is not sustained by blood. It is sustainef by the very life of God.

We too will no longer have blood after resurrection. But we will have flesh and bones. As such we are no longer ordinary humans but supernatural being sustained with the very life of God.

MaxInDHouse:
False religions don't know the importance of Bibles so many of their followers don't have a full copy of God's word but among Jehovah's Witnesses it's a necessity that each member of God's organization must possess a spiritual sword no matter our condition! Luke 22:36

Jesus begged his father on our behalf that we may be sanctified by the truth which is God's word {John 17:17} so we have subsidized Bibles and our literatures so that all members may have them! 2Corinthians 8:14

But you advertising book on church business is totally unscriptural.

Ole!
Thief!
Barawo!
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I thought your literature was free? So, it was subsidized. That's exactly what I have done. 80% subsidy. This is generosity on my own part.

BadPanda:
Humans have flesh and blood.
If you want to inherit God's kingdom in heaven, you are to no longer be a human.
1Cor.15:50

And I'll point you to Isa. 33:24
"No resident will say 'I am sick' "
In chapter 65:20-25
It shows what blessings God's people will enjoy on this earth. Like building houses, planting, bearing children, and animals playing together and living in peace.
All these will happen to those who have the earthly hope that Jesus promises at Matthew 5:5

The resurrected body is no longer flesh and blood but flesh and bones sustained by the Spirit of God.

So, it's the same set of believers who made heaven that will come back to the earth to reign with Jesus. There is nothing like earthly hope. This is the deceptive teaching of Jehovah Witness organization.

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Michael547:
Verse 1 says that there are new heavens and a new earth. It also says that both the former heaven and earth will be no more. Not just the former heaven like you said. So there will always be a new heavens and an earth. The Bible does not say that they will be merged. Moreover new Jerusalem is said to be coming out of heaven to the earth. The Bible does not say that it is heaven itself that will come down to earth.

It says that the Throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the New Jerusalem. And the New Jerusalem will be on earth.

MaxInDHouse:
If you want to sell any book it's OK but books on church entrepreneurship ọmọ i will tell you again and again that it's totally unscriptural!

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Thief!
Barawo!
Onyioshi!

So, the Bible you are reading is giving to you free?

Michael547:
I did not see where the Bible say here that God will physically come and stay and live with men on earth.
What about the angels, will they leave heaven and come to earth also?

The former heaven will be no more. Heaven and earth will be merged into one entity.

As for the new roles of the angels, it's not clearly stated. I don't know everything. I only say that which is revealed.

When we get there, we will know in full.

Being with God is far better than roasting in the Lake of fire for the rest of your life.

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Michael547:
Ok....you said earlier that God himself will come to earth. Does that mean that we will see on earth God also? What about the angels in heaven. Will they come and become humans on earth also?

Revelation 21:1-4

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and HE WILL DWELL WITH THEM, and they shall be his people, and GOD HIMSELF SHALL BE WITH THEM, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be NO MORE DEATH, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away

MaxInDHouse:
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Thief!
Barawo!

How does marketing books make you a thief? Besides, I am offering it far less than the market value. What is your problem?

Michael547:
Oh ok......so would we be on Earth as humans or angels?

As humans but with a glorified body that doesn't die. It will never be sick also.

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Michael547:
So are all good humans no longer going to heaven again? I thought heaven was our final destination?

We will go to heaven. But heaven will come down to earth at the end of this age. God himself will come down to earth. So, there will be heaven on earth located in the New Jerusalem. Every nation will have the opportunity to go for pilgrimage to the new glorious city where God himself will dwell.

Other parts of the earth will also look glorious but not up to the glory of New Jerusalem which is the city God himself designed from heaven.

The skyscrapers in the New Jerusalem will be so high that it will touch the clouds. The most beautiful city on earth will be nothing compared with the glory of New Jerusalem.

edunaragold:
This is one of the reasons why I hardly go to church,all I do Is pray and meditate at home,thank my Chi,and oluwa,be good,avoid sin and pray for forgiveness,yeah I try to do good too.,and how comes those ladies looking for husband in church never still see till now ,after they have rock life finish ,u will see them in choir or front seat saying reybabababa pastor ride on.
How A Native Doctor Killed A Pastor Who Came For Occult Power To Grow His Church by rafcrown(m): 2:26pm On May 27
The Ogun State Command has arrested a native doctor for allegedly killing a pastor for rituals.



Pastor Kalejaiye Ezekiel had allegedly visited the native doctor, Ogunkoya ,for some spiritual works concerning his Church and the witchdoctor, 48 , who claimed that he needed a man for rituals decided to use Ezekiel for the ritual.

Ogunkoya told the police that,” the pastor came to me for power so that his church would grow, I used the opportunity to use him for my personal job . I mixed some sleeping solution for the pastor to drink and he slept off moments afterward . As he dozed off , I picked a knife and slaughtered him. I am a native doctor and I have helped so many people including pastors who want their congregation to grow in the area.

That there are fake currency doesn't mean the real one doesn't exist. In the same sense, we still have genuine churches. Besides, two wrongs cannot make a right.

We have been instructed not to forsake the assembly of ourselves together - Hebrews 10:25.

Violation of this instruction is tagged a sin that will attract God's severe punishment and it could even cost you your salvation - Hebrews 10:26-31.

So, you must identify with a local church and be committed there if you want to make heaven. Otherwise, you are headed for hell.

Donkogbe:
Something happened in my church yesterday and its so strange to me.

Yesterday was the youth anniversary so the youth president has been soliciting for funds and yes people complied and myself also. it was time for thanksgiving and all youth danced to the altar then the pastor openly reject the money contributed by the youth to the amount of 50k in the sense that its too small and also making reference to 2years ago when the youth as at that time bought the church drum set to the amount of 250k. he rejected the money and prayed for us.

This is has been disturbing my mind since yesterday and i am just wondering how a pastor will openly reject amount contributed by people.

note this is not mandatory donations and a man of God reject 50k in this economy of Tinubu? i am just having a mix feelings and its disturbing. what your view on this

File Photo: Used for illustration

He acted unwisely. Use your brain if you want to continue there.

Gafferde:
For me, I don’t know why people fantasize about going to heaven.

To sing, and worship forever? No day, no night, no improvements, no growth, no need for food, no sex, no pain, no motivation, nothing… just an unending sessions of people wearing whites garments singing around.

Sing for the first 10 years. Not tiring. Then sing another 2956 billion years. Nothing special. It sounds robotic and monotonous.

Heaven doesn’t sound like anything interesting to me. It may be a great venue for you. To each is own. If I should choose, I will prefer to stay dead when I die… I want to decay, and turn to elements of the earth.

I am not interested in heaven or hell. They are both bizzare and weird. In one you burn and cry without end. In the other, you rejoice without end.

Extreme cases. If they exist, I am not interested.

Of course, I would change my stance if I see a better explanation. But for now… the description of heaven is a very boring place.

#think

Cc. Ifeanyi eze

The New Heaven and the New Earth will make provisions for varieties. This present earth will be transformed. Heaven will come down to earth. It will be the New Jerusalem. So, chill. God is not boring. Remember, he created sex that every living enjoys though it restricted for married couples for humans.

LordReed:
There are a finite number of humans on earth and not all of them are soldiers so why can't the army be numbered? Even if every human being on earth suddenly became a soldier that is still not uncountable.

Revelation 20:8
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: THE NUMBER OF WHOM IS AS THE SAND OF THE SEA.

Why call it an award. They worked for it? And what is that amount compared with the billions just a few people are sharing among themselves.

And what will it buy in this difficult time.

What about those who are not federal government staffs?

Where are the palliatives they said they will share?

Who has received his own?

Too many questions begging for answers.

God is watching.

Facts about The Battle of Armageddon

1. The battle of Armageddon is the final battle.

2. It's also called, the great day of God Almighty.

3. It will gather together the largest number of army in the history of the world that cannot be numbered.

4. The target of the battle is to completely destroy the nation of Israel.

5. But Isreal will not need to fight in this battle.

6. It will happen after the millennium reign of Christ on earth.

7. Fire will come from heaven and destroy all the armies.

8. This will be the end of the kingdom of darkness on earth.

Revelation 20:7-9
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and FIRE CAME DOWN FROM GOD OUT OF HEAVEN, AND DEVOURED THEM.

His grace overrides Satan's accusations when you repent of the actual sin he is accusing you of.

xin5:
As a 47yr old I still patronise prostitutes which I don't see a problem with. I have No kid, no serious relationship. The problem is my mother complaining here and there for me to get married if I don't see my age.
My mother has complained to the extend she's embarrassed on my behalf even when I am well established.
I know I can't help myself, it's just an addiction I can't stop.
I find it so hard to chyke a girl, talk more calling every now and then.. having meaniless discussions and drama all the time.. pestering for sex something I can achieve with just a phone chat with my connect and they will send pictures of multiple variables I can pick from..30k shortime.

The longest relationship have ever had was in 2008 I think 7months.
Ever since I was young I focused on pay as you go and this has been eating my finances on a steady which I normally don't see as anything because I am doing quite well for myself.
But the pressure to have kids it's getting on me so bad that I wish I can just get a prostitute and impregnate her so that my mother can rest.

Surrender your life to Christ and serve him with undivided attention. He will give you the grace to stop it and you will find a new passion for life.

RingRoadMafia:
No mind the fool. How can the creator of a universe so vast that the planets in the solar systems are more than the grains of sand on this earth be concerned about something to mundane

I think you are the fool here. The scripture rightly says that the preaching of the gospel is foolishness to them that perish - 1st Corinthians 1:18.

kingxsamz:
There's no heaven, there's no hell. These are lies we've been told for a very long time.
Nobody has ever gone there and come back.
And if we're being honest, most people don't want to go to some cloudy kingdom where they'd be worshipping some narcissistic god for eternity. That's why people pray for long life and pastors acquire as much wealth as they can because deep down they know that this heaven isn't real or too boring to live out their lives forever.

You will believe when you get there.