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Corrections:
You don't need to be confused even though the scripture you quoted is not part of the topic. Now since you have asked, this is what I will say...........

The spirit controls the physical. We need to approach the word of God with spiritual understanding and not with just physical understanding.

The law of the prophets as seen in Matt 17:9-13 told the Israelites that Elijah would appear then thereafter the Messiah will come. The Israelites because they dwelt in carnality and their spiritual eyes were not opened they rejected Jesus saying " Elijah is yet to appear how can you call yourself the messiah".

Jesus who happens to always work With his spiritual eyes opened helped them to see the truth by telling them that the Elijah they were waiting for had already appeared in form of John the Baptist.

Now, from the scripture you quoted, does it mean that we can now begin to steal, commit adultery or formication and others because we don't need the law to guard us? If your answer is No, then your supposed negative interpretation about this scripture is wrong.

The scripture makes us understand that faith operates with God's laws. It does not operate in isolation. Does it? No wonder James 2:26 it says faith with void (without work) is dead!! Faith does not float about without anchoring on something (law or believe system).

If faith from the scripture you quoted is not void but mixes or work with God's law ( thou shall not steal, commit adultery and others ) to be alive, then the scripture you quoted could not had meant that we should throw the LAW into the dustbin.

If you are a Christian, the scripture you quoted tells us that faith (Jesus) has come to fulfill the law (not to throw the law into the dustbin) in a way that the world has never experienced before courtesy "Mercy of God". Take for example, when people sin before now (Jesus existence on Earth ) they offer the BLOOD of animals to God for their sin to be forgiven by God as the Law demands.

Today as a Christian when you sin you don't need the LAW of animal blood offered to God to GUARD you to have your sins forgiven. Instead what you need is to have your FAITH in JESUS BLOOD offered to God for your sins to be forgiven. Here, the LAW of BLOOD covenant for atonement of sin still exists not that it has been thrown into the dustbin. Like it or not, blood is STILL needed to be paid for every sin committed by human for God to forgive their sins only that JESUS CHRIST has laid down his blood to replace the blood of animals. Therefore, we NO LONGER NEED THE LAW of animal blood to GUARD us but FAITH in Jesus own BLOOD.

May God give us understanding!!!

We live by a new law known as the perfect law of liberty. It's also known as the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

MaxInDHouse:
You're a hypocrite!

CONTRADICTIONS doesn't have levels if you're not believing the same thing with others then you're not worshiping the same god all of you are deceiving yourselves!

There are points of agreement on major doctrines especially one that bothers on salvation.

But JW oppose virtually every truth of the scripture. They are anti Christ.

Corrections:
The law of Moses refers to a collection of laws and commandments that were given to Moses by God according to the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). Many people think Jesus has come to abolish the laws given by God to Moses and other prophets before him. Jesus knowing the thoughts of people in the Bible had to openly confess about his mission in this subjec matter when he was asked "what his mission was".

Matthew 5: 17-19
17“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18“For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19“Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

From statement made by Jesus one could see how much respect he has for God's word and also showing us the quality of God's word. However, it is one task to know the laws of God given to moses and its another task completely to know the true interpretations of these laws of God given to Moses. Even though Jesus completely agreed with the people on validity of God's law given to moses and other prophets but disagreed with the same people on the true interpretation of these laws given to Moses and other prophets.

Matt 17:9-13

9 As they were coming down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, “Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man has risen from the dead.” 10 And His disciples asked Him, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” 11 And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things; 12 but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. [/b]So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Baptist.

Here Jesus completely agrees (knowing fully well that God"s word stands forever) with the people that God had given his words to Moses and other prophets before moses concerning the signs to see when the messiah would come ( Here the people asked Jesus.....Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” 11 And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things.)

Where Jesus disagrees with them as concerning the law of moses is when they lack true ( heavenly ) interpretation of God's word given to these prophets. Just imagine the scenerio on ground where the people were still waiting for Elijah to come when in the reality of God's plan "Elijah already came and departed." This only means that they failed to connect to Gods own interpretation of his laws given to moses and other prophets before Moses.

The major problem these people have is "lack of committment to understand the true or detailed meaning of every Law given to moses and other prophets by God." Even though they were experts at understanding the detailed meaning associated to other things of the flesh, they were less concerned at going the extra mile connecting to God in understandig the things of heaven spoken concerning them. Here is another example below...

Matthew16:1-4
Then the Pharisees and Sadducees came, and testing Him asked that He should show them a sign from heaven. He answered and said to them, “When it is evening you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red’; and in the morning, ‘It will be foul weather today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ Hypocrites! You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times. A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.” And He left them and departed.

Jesus has come to show the world the true meaning to those laws of God given to moses and prophets before moses. Jesus therefore, has come to execute God's word given to Moses and other prophets before Moses.

Luke 24:44, Jesus says—

“This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

Another example in Moses law Jesus gave the true meaning to which the people had misinterpreted over the years is on divorce and murder.

Matthew 19:8-9

8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

Murder
In Matthew 5:21 - 26
Jesus amplified the meaning of the sixth commandment "thou shall not kill." He revealed that to commit murder is more than killing someone, it means having an angry and unforgiving attitude towards them (Matthew 5:21 - 26).

Where we should worship God

The Gospel of John 4:1–42 talks about the encounter between Jesus and the woman of Samaria. The discusson between Jesus and the Samaritan woman was about what the Law ( Moses law ) says about the right place to worship God.
The Samaritans believed that Mount Gerizim, not Jerusalem, was the place designated by God for worship. They once had a temple on the mountain which was near Sychar (Shechem), where this story takes place.

Question she asked...
19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”

Jesus' reply to the Samaritan woman about the true interpretation of Moses Law (which they lacked back then) as it relates to the right place to worship God.
21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

The statement does not rule out the relevance of the Temple, or any place of worship; it does, however, stress the point that such places do not make the people's worship more pleasant before God. Jesus’ statement suggests that while the designated places of worship are important, they are not the only places where God can be worshipped. The statement points to the fact that the hour is coming when worship will have to be outside the designated sites – “neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.”[8] Jesus' words clearly state that the buildings or sites do not make the worship; the people do, and true worshippers worship in Spirit and in truth. Worship happens where the people are.

Therefore, Jesus has come to show us the true meaning of God's word given to moses and other prophets before Moses so as to deliver us from ignorances that limits us before God . No wonder the apostle says in the book of

Galatians 3:24 — New Living Translation (NLT)
24 Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith.

Why didn't you quote the verse below;

And now that the way of faith has come, WE NO LONGER NEED THE LAW as our guardian.
Galatians 3:25 NLT

Who will break the record for longest day without food and water?

Aemmyjah:
Are angels humans?
Are they flesh?
How could they be seen by humans, converse with them and eat with them, have relations with women?

Go and work on your brain

Angels are spirit beings with flesh and bones. They have the ability to operate in both the physical world and the spirit world.

Notice, I didn't say flesh and blood. Flesh and blood has to do with humans. But angels have flesh and bones. The Bible says that we will be like angels in heaven.

MaxInDHouse:
Let your confused Spirit explain to all of you in the same way before coming to JWs!

I am exposing JW because I know that they are not Christians. Is not the same thing as other Christian denominations that having doctrinal issues on trivial matters.

Your organization is working for the devil. They oppose every truth in the Bible. It's my prayer that more people don't become victims of your deceitful teachings.

Where are those representing southern Kaduna? Do they want this country to be turned into war? What is FG doing about this? Any government that can't protect its citizens has no moral right to continue to be in power.

Aemmyjah:
How would Thomas belive that Jesus is now alive and visited the brothers without him seeing and touching him?

You are witnessing for Jehovah going by the name of your organization. Have you seen God to make you believe he exist?

Jesus appeared to so many witnesses so the world will truly know that he is risen from the dead.

And he told Thomas, I am not a Spirit. He said a Spirit has no flesh and bones. But you said Jesus is a Spirit without flesh. So, who do we believe? What Jesus said or what that wicked Russell and Rutherford taught you?

MaxInDHouse:
Go and agree with your fellow trinitarian first!

Nothing absolutely wrong with the doctrine of trinity. The issue is the way it's presented.

There is one God who is the Father, one Lord, Jesus and one Spirit. And these three are one.

The father himself is a Spirit. You can't see him. If you want to see him, look at Jesus. He is the express image of the invisible God.

The Holy Spirit is also known as the Spirit of God. He is also known as the Spirit of Christ.

MaxInDHouse:
So why not relate well with your fellow trinitarian who also claim he is saved?

Don't digress. Stay on the topic.

MaxInDHouse:
You and your fellow trinitarian disagreed.
He wanted to chat with you:

You shunned him:



If you're not stupid why not agree with your fellow trinitarian who also believe in this your useless tongue first before thinking about JWs?
If your hopeless, worthless, useless, helpless tongue has failed to make you and your fellow trinitarian speak in harmony.
How do you think such can make sense to a JW who is speaking as one with his global family? John 17:23

Cursed be the day Russell and Rutherford were born. See the brain damage they have done to countless millions of people across the world. The Lake of fire will be more tolerable for Satan than these pathetic liars.

MaxInDHouse:
Confused and credulous religionist, the one and only evidence that someone believe in Christ is joining those doing God's will in the time of the end! Matthew 7:21-23

No matter what you believe it's not going to yield anything until it's put to work! James 2:18-26

So what is God's will?
And who are those doing it today?

God's will is that every one should be saved. And that salvation is in Christ. Accept him as your Lord and Saviour and you will be saved.

Then after you are saved, serve him with all of your heart. And service rendering is in many forms which includes;

1. Identifying with a Christ believing church and attend church services regularly.

2. Join a department according to the gift giving unto you and serve him there.

3. Be a soul winner. Reach out to the lost souls with the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

4. Be involved financially.

5. Stay away from sin.

6. Don't be unequally yoked together with unbelievers.

7. Live by faith. The scripture says that the just shall live by faith.

8. Walk in love especially towards the brethren.

Etc.

The list is endless. I could go on and on.

God's will simply means living by God's word consistent with his provisions in Christ Jesus.

Aemmyjah:
1. I did
2. You're not serious. His flesh that he gave to mankind and offered as ransom is what he took back on the 3rd day. Na wetin ur pastor teach u na. Jesus was raised as a life-giving spirit
3. According to you. And God is sitting on his own right hand... To me, Jesus is the son of God
4. I did
5. I did
6. ... Mansion ko? Detached building nii... Heaven na residential estate?

This is where you have been brainwashed.

But Jesus told Thomas that he has flesh and bones. His new body is a glorified body. And as God gave Jesus a new body, those who are in Christ will also receive a new body that will never die.

Janosky:
Why do you quote & pass off a FAKE portion of scripture to DECEIVE gullible folks?

Your fellow 3 deities worshipper, ErnestNc received a conflicting information about speaking in tongues from the same ghost leading TRINITARIANS.

https://www.nairaland.com/7826924/modern-day-church-strange-practices

1st Corinthians 14:39
Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and FORBID NOT TO SPEAK WITH TONGUES .

MightySparrow:
Selective obedience to God's commandments.

You have nothing to say.

Janosky:
Mark 16:17 is NOT in the manuscript of the holy scriptures.

Nah your mentors who ADDED to 1 John 5:7 committed the same fraud @ Mark 16:17.

Pastor,go & verify

Let's assume you are correct, that is not the only verse that talks about speaking in tongues.

The early church spoke in tongues.

Apostle Paul in his letter to the church said that we should not forbid to speak in tongues.

Janosky:
Oga, carry your delusion outta this forum..

Except you repent, you will likewise perish.

Aemmyjah:
I already acknowledge him
Your ignorance has blinded you to think we don't acknowledge that
Abeg shift

Even Muslims acknowledge him. The also acknowledge him and trembles. But they don't regard him as Lord and Saviour.

To fully acknowledge Jesus, you must believe and do the following;

1. That he died for your sins
2. That he was raised up on the third day bodily to justify you.
3. That Jesus is God in human flesh.
4. Confess that he is your Lord and Saviour.
5. Live your life to his praise and Glory.
6. Believe he is coming back to take you up to your mansion in heaven.

It's like Soyinka is broke. So old men tell lies.

IconicR:
I don't know about speaking in tongues

Check my thread on how to be filled with the Holy Spirit. It will guide you.

IconicR:
I don't know about speaking in tongues

It's a sign that should follow everyone who believes in Christ - Mark 16:17

Nigeria is very good in record breaking both for good and bad. INEC should also be in the Guinness book of world record.

IconicR:
I've been born again for long
Ask fake pastor johnw47

Good.

Have you received the baptism with the Holy Spirit with the evidences of speaking in tongues?

Janosky:
Oga feel sorry for your delusion and leave JWs alone.
There is more than enough mess in Christendom to occupy your time, thoughts and attention.

No problem. I have warned you. But it's your choice to continue with their false teachings and practices. By the time you see yourself in hell, you will have regrets upon regrets.

Aemmyjah:
Ok
Mr agent of light

You too can embrace the light. Just acknowledge that Jesus died for you and confess him as Lord and Saviour in accordance with Romans 10:9-10.

IconicR:
What do you mean by if I'm born again

To be born again is to receive a brand new life in Christ. It's a rebirth of the human spirit.

And it happens the moment you believe that Jesus died for you and confess him as Lord and Saviour in accordance with Romans 10:9-10.

IconicR:
Why am I being included here
I'm not a jw

I am not the one who included you. I hope you are born again?

Oscarchims:
God gave, he has taken

God is not the killer. The devil is the one who comes to steal, kill and destroy.

jaephoenix:
The aim of JW as an organization is to convert as many people as they can. Thus their rigorous and extensive evangelism. In fact they are the most evangeslistic denom. Everyday, they use tracts, door to door evangelism and other forms of nuisance. I give it to them. So assuming they are very successful and manage to convert almost every citizen in a country, let use Nigeria. So we then have about 99% Nigerians as JWs. That means we'll possibly have JW president and thus our Army would be disbanded since the JW clowns dont fight. Now the question is, do you think countries like Cameroun that have been eyeing our oil rich towns and cities would back down? They took Bakassi and nothing happened. What makes you think they wont invade Nigeria and annex us? There's nothing to stop them. International communities dont care. They US dont wanna involve themselves in many wars(look at the Russia-Ukraine war). Wars cost money. They only want a fight that would be economically important to them. And no country would send their own citizens to go and fight and die for another country that dont wanna fight for themselves. (being JWs)
Please read properly before replying
Maxinthehouse
Aemmyjah
Janosky
IconicR

There doctrines are false. They are agents of darkness disguised as ministers of light. I feel so sorry for their gullible followers because they will all end up in the very hell they deny its existence.

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you not understand that I said they know

Most of them don't know. Who wants to lose his hard earned money?

Dtruthspeaker:
Do the patrons not know? Abegi, no be issue be dis. Scammer wan scam and the scammed want to be scammed, so no case.

This is why we are trying to enlighten people who are ignorant not to fall for such scam.

Dtruthspeaker:
Sue them.

You can only do that when there is agreement. Otherwise, it's like gambling.