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State Police is the only way forward. Unfortunately the bill to permit it may not see the light of the day.

airsaylongcome:
I tell you for free that transportation cost for landing PMS is very inconsequential. It's about 10% of the cost of the petrol itself.

Even if it's 10 percent, it's still something.

The other advantage of local production is price stability. But the price of refined products we import keeps changing depending on exchange rate.

Besides, making out refineries work will boost economic activities.

We need intelligent younger and innovative minds to handle our petroleum sector. We also need people of honest character and not thieves.

chieveboy:
Okay... what I aimed by directing you to meet any elder in your village or family is to bring you closer to stop lifting the experience of others on this heaven.

On Google, you also find the experience of non Christians who died and saw one of the heavens.

The traditionalists and mystics have thousands of years before we smelled anything and anyone called "Jesus Christ"and "Christianity" visited the heavens with full consciousness and reported back their findings which is lost in folklores and myths .

Millions of Eckists and even atheists have fulfilled this feats and some do it daily like Paul of the Bible who said "he dies daily".

For your information, when you die, the person you are going to face will not give a hoot about your Christianity or things you believe in. No blood hence will save you from the experience, only your good deeds.

Atheists even advance to the better heavens than some of the best "men of God"...

I will advice you to go and find out what happens to people when they die because for now, you are just spewing what you believe and not what you know. So go and find out first hand because you definitely will be shocked and very disappointed.

Heaven or life after death is not what you read or argue about. You MUST experience , else you're just an ostrich burying it's head in hay against a lion.

This is why I said that you didn't have a good foundation in Christ.

If our good works could save us, Jesus would not have come to die. The scripture says that all our righteousness are like filthy rags.

It was only the blood of Jesus that met the demand of Justice.

The scripture says that the wages of sin is death.

It also says that, without the shedding of blood, there is no remission.

Jesus is the one who has been appointed to judge everyone. And you will stand before him to be judged.

And the words he spoke and the writings of the Apostles is what will be used to judge this generation on that day.

Your good works only counts after you are saved. Good works will never save you.

There is only one name given under heaven by which man shall be saved. And that name is Jesus.

airsaylongcome:
Naaaah. Transportation and other distribution costs is very inconsequential in the total landing cost of PMS in Lagos. Very very inconsequential

You don't know that traveling by boat is five times more expensive that road talk more of carrying goods. Even within Nigeria, it cost millions to transport goods by barge. It's not cheap. Even the cost of transportation for cars bought abroad is almost equivalent to the cost of the car.

chieveboy:
It's interesting that after death, Christians especially tend to find the afterlife shocking.

It's usually a case of "what I expect" vs "what I am seeing".

While I won't talk about heaven with you because it's in vain owing to spiritual crystalizes which blind faith and belief leads to, I will advice you to go meet or talk to any elder an old patriarch in your family or any other person who has witnessed firsthand (not "dem say's or "my Bible tells me..." what happens to someone when they dies.

You actually work out your salvation even in a simple thing as passing the veil of death which proves not so simple for awon salvation.

Please, Google real life experiences of those who died and saw heaven and others who went to hell. They are just too many to ignore. Besides, Jesus is the truth. His teachings clearly revealed the existence of heaven and hell.

airsaylongcome:
Why do you think price will drop with local refining?

It will cut off the transportation cost which is huge. When you buy imported fuel, the cost of transportation is added just like ordering for products online.

chieveboy:
I went to Army Day Secondary School Sani Abacha Barracks Abuja around 1996. Back in the day, we used to pass by this ECK Center located in the bush of what is today New Nyanya while visiting family up north or going for tours around Nasarawa and Jos.

As little chatty and inquisitive boys we would talk about how that is a place of "cultists kingdom" when we were listings cults. We use to list cars too and more. When we pass by the ECK center in New Nyanya, we would try not to look at it and would be praying, binding and casting for fear of something zapping us in.

I eventually went to another school. I would see their posters with "HU a Love song to God" written on it. I would wonder how that kind of song would go, just "HU" and you have sang a love song...?

Odd and doesn't make sense for me! I didn't know it was sung in a long drawn out manner. I concluded "Huh" would rather be an exclamation. This all happened in my head while trekking back to the hostel one day from town.

I found Nairaland back in 2005. Thanks to a paper called Success Digest Extra which I never missed. After being a regular spectator on Nairaland without an account, I decided to register 2009.

I have had spiritual experiences as a little boy of about 7 or so where I met a man in heaven whom I believe was the lord Jesus Christ due to his shining countenance and Jesus-like hair and facial semblance to the images of Jesus around.

I told my mum about this who hushed me up because she believed such might mean I was going to die. She probably prayed about this. I latter got to see the picture of this man in an ECKANKAR book after joining. They called him "Gopal Das". He was a master who served in the ancient empire of Egypt. He now teaches the ways of the Holy Spirit in a 'Golden Wisdom' school in the capital of the first heaven.

I had experiences with light in my dreams that made my physical eyes weak to sunlight. This was me around 7-8 years old or so. Around being 23 years, I had constant visions of the future coupled with numerous déjà-vus that it confuses me if life is being rewound or something.

I started to give attention to esoteric websites. I was looking to be an extraordinary Christian beyond a bench warming full-of-scripture-and-beliefs type without any tangible proof or experience with the supernatural other than what I believe and read.

This voice that speaks to me right from when I could remember had now guided me to Christ Embassy as where I should be calling it a "pot". It goes "Use this pot to..." ( I am not including the remaining words for privacy).

I had and did it all at Christ Embassy. Did the ministry training and all and at one point, I was satiated and would not have any more. I stopped going to church after watching a certain Joyce Meyer sermon, not that she did or said something wrong.

What she said I guess activated an instinct, and that was it! No more church, bible or any other thing for me. I want my own experience and not that of others!

Nairaland can give you a job, mate, religion, God or deGod you. Ladies and gentle men, it began right here:

https://www.nairaland.com/533844/contemplation-seeds-eckankar/3


Thanks

Your foundation in Christ was not strong enough. Besides, you were looking for the wrong things; feelings.

You might feel good with your present religion but it still won't save you. Salvation is in Christ alone. Not even the devil will disprove it.

Repent and come back to Christ, otherwise, you will end up in burning hell.

Most churches in the US do that. Most Nigeria churches don't give back to their members. I pray for love revival in Nigeria.

adesegun121:
Good news

Not good enough. The price should come down. They should make all our refineries work and stop importing refined products. The price should drop if they do that.

ThankGodFriday:
If I pray for repentance, I don't feel the spirit of God in me.

What should I do?

You don't walk by feelings. You walk by faith. And faith is based on God's word. And God's word says that God is faithful and just to forgive you and cleanse you from all unrighteousness it you confess your sins. So, believe God's word and not you feelings.

IbileIfe:
I have done evangelism in different states in Nigeria.
I am speaking from eyewitness experience since 1988 to date.

Well, you are entitled to your opinion. But I know that there are still genuine men of God. They are relatively few though. The true evidence that points to the fact that you are a true believer is the love you show to your brethren.

There are fake prophets everywhere. How did you get your statistics?

Dustbinbint:
Yes, True. The Scripture does say that.
Confirmed.


Yet, have a look at these interesting points:

In Jesus' parable of the unforgiving slave who was thrown into jail by the master for refusing to forgive his fellow slave, the jailers were called “tormentors,” depending on the translation of Bible you are using. The torment was in the sense of imposing forced restriction on them. It will be in this sense that the Devil will be tormented. I say this since Romans 16:20 says that Satan will be crushed, put out of existence.
Also, Babylon the Great is said to be tormented by God's jugdment against her, namely, death. (Revelation 18:8, 10) And what is the result of the torment? She will be put out of existence, never to be found again.—Revelation 18:21.



Also, everlasting fire, has been used in the Bible as an illustration of irreversible destruction. It was used this way in Isaiah 34:9, 10. Sodom and Gomorrah was described in the Bible as being put in everlasting fire, not in a literal sense, but in the sense that her destruction will never be undone; her's was a judgment with eternal significance.

Consider too that Death and Grave was cast into the lake of fire.—Revelation 20:14.
Will these abstract concepts also suffer torment forever? Or even at all? Revelation 21:4 explains the significance of that passage by saying that “death will be no more.”

On the other hand, Jeremiah 7:31 tells us that tormenting people in fire is “something that has not even come into [God's] heart.”


As to whether destroyed souls cease to exist, recall where John 3:16 tells us that the gift of God is everlasting life for those believing in Jesus. If those who will perish will have everlasting life, (surely they have to live forever to be literally tormented forever) isn't it still everlasting life?
On this note, I once overheard someone say that ‘everyone receives everlasting life, the difference is where it is spent’—in heaven or in hell.
What do you think, do you agree with that statement?




By the way, how are you doing? Your health, your job, your family and friends, etc.
Take a look at my signature text. Tnx

Please, in an attempt to defend your preconceived opinions on the eternal destiny of man, don't turn blind eyes to scriptures that clearly teaches that lost souls will be tormented for eternity in a burning flame.

The first place of torment is hell also known as hell fire. The final place of torment is the Lake of fire which is far worse than hell.

Let me not bother to defend the existence of hell for cause I know that you will not agree with me. This is because of the words from which hell was translated from -Sheol,Hades and Gehenna.

But the phrase, Lake of fire doesn't have any Greek word than you can twist to make it mean what you want to.

I know that you don't believe it's a literal fire. You believe that souls that will be cast in there will just go into extinction. But it's not true.

The false prophet and the beast that were cast in there in Revelation 19:20 were still acknowledged to be there in Revelation 20:10. And the time space between the two passages is over 1,000 years. What do you have to say about this? Don't deviate.

Dustbinbint:
Is Ecclesiastes not an authoritative source? It was written by Solomon, whom God gave divine wisdom.

Nevertheless, see what the greater Solomon had to say, the one whom God gave true divine wisdom, Jesus Christ:

In Matthew 10:28, he said that unlike man who cannot kill the soul, God can “destroy” the soul.
What does “destroy” mean? In what sense can God “destroy” the soul? In 2 Thessalonians 1:8, 9 we see that the punishment for those who refuse to know God is “everlasting destruction.”
The same way Jesus will “destroy” Satan, (Hebrews 2:14) the same way the wicked angels fear their incoming destruction. (Mark 1:24)

It can be hard to believe something when we have been trained to believe otherwise. LoL.
I remember when something similar happened with me.
But it's alright. Regardless, that's my answer to this.
Hope it's helpful.

Destruction of souls doesn't mean that they cease to exist. They will experience continuous torture and pains for the rest of their lives.

For instance, when the beast and the false were both thrown into the Lake of fire in Revelation 19:20, they were acknowledged to still be there after over 1,000 years. Satan joined them in Revelation 20:10. And the scripture says that they will be tormented day and night for the rest of their lives.

Russia is an anti Christ nation. Total destruction awaits them in future. Every enemy of Isreal shall be made desolate.

Dencotext:
As for the coming of the beast, the Lord revealed to me 2 days ago that no man’s heart should be troubled, because he will not come into the world till God causes a very notable event to happen. He will appear in the most dramatic way immediately after this event and then it will be apparent to everyone that God almighty has begun to intervene in the world’s affair.

The book of revelation sets the precedence on a number of 7 agendas. According to God’s divine mathematics, as exhibited in Genesis, the number 1 stands for the separation of LIGHT from DARKNESS (good from evil). The number 6 stands for the creation of MAN which stands for the ULTIMATE agenda of God, and number 7 stands for a period of rest, after which satan attacked grossly to deceive mankind.

Revelation started with a letter addressed to the 7 churches. I am not talking about that now. Next revelation talked about the opening of 7 seals. This is the era we are facing now. The first 4 seals have already been broken and we are seeing the worst outbreaks of diseases, wars, famines and natural disasters. We are passing through the era of the 5th seal now, where God is numbering those serving him and putting a seal on them. What remains next?

The 6th seal is about to be broken. The truth, as God revealed it to me 2 days ago, is that it is God's will for Christians and non-Christians to soon pass through a period of great trouble because He wants to intervene and bring this evil earthly kingdom to an end. The great trouble will be divided into 3 woes. The 1st woe would be when the 5th angel blows the trumpet, then a star would fall down from heaven and open the bottomless pit, where locusts would come out with smoke and sting mankind like scorpions for 5 months. Surprisingly, nobody would be able to die this period till it is over. No christian who has the seal of God will be hurt by these locusts though.This is a period of God wants to harvest new souls, who would repent because of these evil woe.

But definitely after these period, the rapture would occur, and then the great tribulation, the last 2 woes, would start. The rapture will not occur till the LAST TRUMPET has sounded. The last trumpet is when the 7th angel blows the trumpet, which will usher in the kingdom of God with power; satan and his demons would be defeated by Michael and his angles and cast down to earth and banished from all the corners of heaven. Thus signifying the start of the great tribulation. Men who missed the rapture can only make it to heaven only if they offer their lives to be killed by the beast. Everybody would know the rapture has taken place, so remaining souls has to chose to accept the beast or accept Christ.

The intervention of God in the affairs of man will start this way… a great earthquake will shook the whole world to its very foundation. While men are screaming and muttering to themselves that God’s anger has begun, the angels of God would use this period to go around and put a (hidden mark) seal on the forehead of every child of God on planet earth, including the selected Jews. This signals the end of the 6th seal.

When the 7th seal is opened, there would be a brief silence in heaven, after which 7 angels would be given each a trumpet to blow. Mind you, the sounding of each trumpets would signal great catastrophes on earth. The mind of God here is that people should become acutely conscious that the Almighty have started to judge planet earth with supernatural happenings; so that people should repent and be saved (that is why the rapture cannot occur in this period till the last trumpet is blown, so that the children of God having the seal of God on their forehead would lead many others to salvation and preach to the unbelievers who would be left behind and some who would later repent known as the ‘tribulation saints’).

But contrary to all expectations, I think that the major problem really began on planet earth when the 5th trumpet was sounded which led to the bottomless pit being opened. Here is where the problem of interpreting the book of Revelation starts… everyone who reads this portion believes that the bottomless pit is a hidden place of mystery. But it is the hollow center of the earth.

Many scientists have already begun to speculate that the earth has a large hole inside like a large football with empty space inside (even though our geography textbook has never taught us that). Some Russian scientists, who drilled a hole to about 14km into the earth at the Kola peninsula in Russia, were surprised to stumble into the gate of hell. They discovered that the driller busted into an empty cavity that was more than 2000 degree centigrade (or the surface temperature of the sun). And when they send a sensitive sensor inside, they heard the scream of millions of people in hell. The project was closed down immediately afterward and sealed.

When the bottomless pit is opened... locust-like creatures would come out of it and torment mankind for 5 months (but only those who do not have the seal of God on their forehead). And no one will be able to die this period. I believe that after this period, those who refused to accept God will now face the antichrist.

The antichrist, who was chained in the bottomless pit, would use this period to come out of the pit and interact with the world. For the first 3-and-a-half year, he would be trying to court the world and make them love, believe and trust him. But after the 7th trumpet has sounded, and the rapture occurred and satan is cast out of heaven down to the earth, his mission would become extremely critical because satan cover is broken... Jesus has come and taken his people. So for 42 months (or the remaining 3-and-a-half year) mankind would experience the greatest tribulation that is not parallel to anything ever witnessed. Those who did not pay heed to the gospel would do that with their blood if they were to repent during this period. Trumpets were used in the Bible days to signify warnings… and when the last one was sounded, you cannot have any more warnings but the face the wrath of satan. After which God would pour out on earth the 7 bowls filled with the wrath of the Almighty God.

My conclusion is that, you do not have to wait for this period to come, because if you die in your sins now, you’d go to hell. Judgment starts from the day you die; you cannot repent again. What a foolish thing to think that there is time on your side to make it to the rapture! My mother who saw heaven and hell before she died, said “when I was taken to heaven, I saw the angels getting ready to blow their trumpets”. I never did understand what my mother was saying till 2 days ago when God gave me the interpretation that He is about to intervene in our football-watching crazy world. Soon,no more Arsenal or Chelsea or Man U fans shouting disturbances... accept Christ now and submit to him and every other things shall be added unto you.

The rapture will take place before the firth angel blows his trumpet. The raptured saints are actually the four beast or four living creatures in Revelation 4.

The beast that looks like a lion represents the early church.

The one that looks like a calf represents the Church during the period of idolatry in the Church. And this coincides with the dark age period.

The third beast represents the Church during the time of reformation. But they looked like mere men because they were not filled with the Holy Spirit.

The last beast that looks like the eagle represents this present church. The rapture will take place in this church age.

Revelation 5:9 let us know that these beasts are the redeemed of the LORD.

My friend, you got it all wrong.
Some of the scripture references you quoted has nothing to do with the great tribulation period but with individual troubles.

Christians that will pass through the great tribulation will be those who will miss the rapture. And they will be more in number. This is why the elder told John;

Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have WASHED THEIR ROBES, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

They couldn't make the rapture because their robes were stained with sin. But they made it through a second chance. But only after they have washed their robes.

And there will be two great tribulation period. The first has to do with the Church. Those who miss the rapture will pass through this first great tribulation.

The second tribulation period has to do with the Jews. But only 144,000 Jews sealed in Revelation 7 will be raptured at the end of the great tribulation period. This happened in Revelation 14.

All the end time prophecy Jesus gave in Matthew 24 has nothing to do with the Gentile church. It's about the nation of Israel.

In summary, there are three future rapture and two future great tribulations.

The first Rapture is the rapture of the faithful saints among this present church age.

The second Rapture is the rapture of the two witnesss in Revelation 11.

The third Rapture is the rapture of 144,000 Jews.

Please, feel free to ask questions. This is my field. The Lord has blessed me with abundant revelation on end time issues.

omojeesu, Scholar8200

Democracy is really a crazy government. In a country where so many can't afford to eat, cloth and even live in a comfortable apartment, our greedy leaders are busy spending billions for renovation.

7 billion naira can build a brand new estate of several flats, even up to 20 exotic flats.

May God reserve the worse part of hell for them.

paxonel:
It is extremely difficult for genuine Christians to fall away from the faith.

Now, consider trying to convince an extremely devoted Muslim to abandon Islam for another religion, that is how difficult to also convince a Christian to abandon his faith, especially those once that were born and brought up by Christian parents.
Some Christian's in their very hearts are deeply committed to Christ but they wount show it outrightly. It will be very difficult to even engage these kind of Christians into religious talk, talkless of getting them falling away.

This explains why Jesus said

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Luke 18:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and IN TIME OF TEMPTATION FALL AWAY.

Jesus let us know that some believers can fall away in times of temptations.

Don't look for scriptures to support your preconceived opinion and ignore many others that are contrary.

Kingsnairaland:
Hebrews 6:4–6 states,
“It is impossible for those
who have once been enlightened,
who have tasted the heavenly gift,
who have shared in the Holy Spirit,
who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance.

There is are five.... who's.... At this verse Let look at them.......

First....
Been enlightened or understanding the words of Scripture is not the same as being regenerated by the Holy Spirit..

Now first example
John 1:9....
This place is talking about Jesus.....
9 The true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world.

So John 1:9 describes Jesus, the “true Light,” giving light “to every man or every one ”; but please look very well because this cannot mean the light of salvation, because not every man (everyone) is saved...

So this place is talking about group of unbelievers who have been exposed to God’s redemptive truth they have heard the truth and even accepted to believe in Jesus but they were never saved..... You can still see them..... But they are people who have not exercised genuine saving faith...

Second who....
who have tasted the heavenly gift....

This brief experience with the heavenly gift is not actually the equivalent to salvation;
rather, it is likened to the second and third soils in Jesus’ parable (Matthew 13:3–23),
which describes people who receive the truth of the gospel they came eat the bread that Jesus multiply that bread and fish was heavenly gift yet they refused to believe so this are are not truly saved.

Third who......
who have shared in the Holy Spirit .

Let use this example below to show how one can share of the holy spirit.. Without the holy spirit living inside them

There are three big bus going from Lagos to Abuja you are in the last bus then you start to preach at the front near the entrance door then on the road Thieves come and rob and kill people in the first two bus
Then they open your door and see you praying
Then they leave without coming inside

What happened in that your bus is what we call God using the holy spirit to cover you and all those inside so what those rest inside with you experience was the sharing of holy spirit covering

Note the difference.....
I hope you know at the end some will believe in what you preach but others will not some will say it by chance or some will even say you use juju and walk away

Let look at example in the Bible

John 18:4-6
After Jesus received Judas' kiss of betrayal, He stepped forward and asked the crowd of militia, “…Whom seek ye? They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he…. As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground”....


Look at those who shared the power of the holy spirit in John 18:4-6
they fell to the ground yet they still refuse to believe and arrest Jesus

Infact one person peter cut his ear out and Jesus put the ear back in yet they saw this holy spirit power and still refuse to believe

So those who share in this holy spirit power and refuse to believe can not be saved again that is what Hebrews 6:4–6
Is saying

This other who's.....

Paul now sumarise it by combining all the same thing he said before...

They have..... who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away

They know the words of God and his goodness in the Bible
Just like I explained up
and have seen his powers the power of the holy spirit in action

Yet they refuse and fall away.... Just like the seed that fell away when the sower wants to sow the seed..


If they shall fall away,..this people describe above
.. After seeing all the things they see and hear

..... So Paul is saying that to renew them again unto repentance;....notice here they never completely repented... And never truly believed in Jesus... And Paul is saying to make them repent and believe in Jesus again is hard to do... so to use another method or

.. another example or another power of the holy spirit..to convince them .. Will be very hard to do
Because
To bring another thing that can renew them will be very hard to do....
Because it is just like killing Jesus again which can not be done

... seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame....



Glory to God.

So my brother they were never saved they never truly believed in Jesus.

Pride will destroy you. Must you defend a false teaching to a fault?

If they were never saved, they won't have anything to fall away from.

You have made up your mind believe your lie and ready to defend it at all cost.

You will destroy yourself and those who listen to you. I reserve the other evidences which are up to 20. It's no use. Go ahead with your deceitful teachings.

Kingsnairaland:
1st Timothy 4:1

Those who depart from the faith in the last times will choose to listen to deceitful spirits and doctrines or teachings of demons.

They will follow false teaching that sounds convincing and is intended to deceive. These falsehoods are carefully devised;

their design is to deceive people from following the faith. Those who depart from the faith are following liars with “seared” consciences.

Their consciences are burned; the false teachers, who are mouthpieces for evil spirits, are dull to their own hypocrisy and unscrupulous behavior (1 Timothy 4:2).

Now let look at them to show you why they departed from the faith

Luke 8:13
And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away.

So this shows they believe for a while and have faith for a while that is why they depart from the faith

Look at 1 John 2:19
This is the key. It reads
, “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.”

So they were not actually saved..... They only had temporal believe temporarily faith.... Just like Jesus said in Luke 8:13...

Those who depart from the faith in the last times will choose to listen to deceitful spirits and doctrines or teachings of demons.

They will follow false teaching that sounds convincing and is intended to deceive. These falsehoods are carefully devised; their design is to deceive people from following the faith. Those who depart from the faith are following liars with “seared” consciences.

Their consciences are burned; the false teachers, who are mouthpieces for evil spirits, are dull to their own hypocrisy and unscrupulous behavior (1 Timothy 4:2).

Now Paul shows timothy couple of specific examples

The false teachers of the last times will forbid marriage and abstain from foods that God has permitted (1 Timothy 4:3).

Those who will depart from the faith will be deceived by a kind of legalism. No longer will these people focus on the grace of Christ or the faith that Jesus authored and perfected (Hebrews 12:1).
Instead, they will attempt to regulate behavior in contradiction to the freedom God has provided..

Now let see what faith they will depart from

Go back to 1Timothy 3:16
the 'mystery from which true godliness faith comes and springs' in
I Tim 3:16

"this people who depart will stop believing that

He (God) appeared in the flesh,
was vindicated by the Spirit,
was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory."

They stop believing that Jesus is God because their faith believes was temporarily faith not the real saved faith which can never be lost

This great mystery, the gospel, is the faith which some will abandon in exchange for deceptive teachings.
They will trade true godliness
(faith in Christ, from whence springs virtue and holy living)
for a false appearance of godliness.
They will set up rules, such as do not marry and do not eat certain things (I Tim 4:3), which they then try and enforce upon others...


These people are not mere fakers, but started with faith in Christ temporary and then abandoned the truth, deceived to trade grace in exchange for false works..
Their faith was merely temporary, not a genuine faith that proves true until the end. They stopped abiding with Christ, which leads to a terrible fate (John 15; II Pet 2:17-22, etc).

We can spot these deceptive teachers,
who themselves are deceived liars, by examining what they teach.
Are they judging others for a meaningless practice and teaching them to abstain from something in order to be more 'holy'?
Some modern examples might be '
Do not wear certain dress, don't get a tattoo, don't drink coffee, don't watch tv, never drink, don't eat meat, never celebrate a secular holiday,' etc.

Meanwhile, they excuse the sin in their own lives because they follow added 'rules' that they claim make one truly Christian or a better Christian.

, a good teacher will focus on our relationship with Christ and how that leads to discerning the will of God and growing in virtue and holiness, such as in II Pet 1:3-11.

Your defense is too long. You are just looking for ways to support your eternal security doctrine.

To depart from the faith means that they were once in the faith. So, please reexamine your doctrine before you lure so many into destruction.

What about the category of people the writer of Hebrews talked about. They were not only saved, they were filled with the Holy Spirit and even tasted of the power of the world to come. But he said, if such people fall away, it's difficult to restore them back to faith.

So, it means one can fall away at any level of maturity.

Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

This is why the scripture says that we should take heed, lest we fall.

Kingsnairaland:
. Read the whole page before you pass judgment.
. Now we are in page six.

List all your scripts and I will also explain them.

Explain this one first. The evidences are many. Treat them one by one.

Kingsnairaland:
Romans 11:29
29 God does not take back his gifts. He does not change his mind about those he has chosen.




John 10:28-29
says: “And I give to them eternal life, and they shall by no means perish forever, and no one shall snatch them out of My hand. My Father…is greater than all, and no one can snatch them out of My Father's hand.




God is not a confused God

He knows the end from the start

You can't be saved in Jesus then become unsaved.

There is nothing your child can do that will make him not to be your child...

This is a false doctrine. You don't use a few scriptures to establish a doctrine and ignore many more others that are contrary.

I will give you scriptures little by little that doesn't support your eternity security. I hope these scriptures will reset your spiritual brain

Evidence No 1

1st Timothy 4:1.
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.

Who did Paul said will depart from the faith? Are they not believers?

So, it's possible to depart from the faith. You are a free moral being even after getting saved. If you chose to depart from the faith for any reason, not even God can stop you.

What baffles me most is that some people will still attend the programme. Blind leading the blind.

Michael547:
1)Please read Ecclesiastics chapter 9:5, 6 and psalm 146:4 and explain what happens to our mind, will and emotions after death.

2)What part of the rich man's body survived after death that made him to remember his past life?

Ecclesiastes is not an authority you can rely on on matters like this. The men of old had limited knowledge about spiritual things. So, some of the statements made are not true.

Jesus is the truth. So, rely more on his teachings and that of his disciples on matters like this.

The part that survives after death is the spirit and the soul of man.

But those who are not born again have a dead spirit. So, it's their soul that survives and tormented in hell.

The spirit and soul of genuine believers go to heaven after death.

Michael547:
You did not answer my second question posed to you about the angels. How do the angels have flesh and bones, since they were not created from the dust of the earth?

Now if the spirit of a man is the inward man and the inner man, what exactly is the soul that a man has according to you?

It's with our soul we are able to reason. It is the intellectual center of man. You can't acquire knowledge without the soul. It consists of your mind, will and emotions.

It is immortal also in the sense that after death, you still remember your life on earth. This is made clear in the story of the rich man and Lazarus. The rich man remembered he had five brothers on earth.

22jumpstreet1:
man is a spirit being dwelling within a physical body made from dust

at 'death' the spirit goes back to GOD while the body is buried...

how is jesus different from us, if he existed?

how is his dying important to us?

Jesus is different from us in many ways;

1. He has no beginning. He is God in human flesh.
2. All things were made through him.
3. He is the first to be raised from the dead with a glorified body.

The importance of Jesus death to us are;

1. He became the sacrificial lamb for all mankind. In other words, he paid the penalty of sin that the first man committed.

2. On account of his death, everyone is legally free in the mind of justice. But the liberty becomes yours when you accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

3. The fact that Jesus died and rose again means that we too will be resurrected. But some will be resurrected to eternal life while others will be resurrected to eternal destruction.

4. His death and resurrection also means that death has been defeated but not yet destroyed.

5. His death gave him the opportunity to enter into hell and defeated the devil. So, we have been delivered from the power of darkness.

Michael547:
1)Lol.. ..how can you turn around and say again that Jesus is a spirit with flesh and bone? Are you not contradicting yourself?
2) where does the Bible teach that angels were created with flesh and bones ? Where angels made from the dust of the earth like man?

It's not a turn around. Every human being is a spirit, has a soul and lives in a body. But there are spirits without bodies. It is in that sense I said that Jesus is not a spirit.

Your spirit is called the inward man. In another place, it's called, the inner man. Your body is just the house your spirit lives in.

Remember that God is a Spirit and we are made in his image and likeness. So, we too are spirit beings. But we are not spirits. The two statements are not the same.

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Michael547:
Please where does the Bible indicate that angels are spirit with flesh and bones?
Remember you said that Jesus was not a spirit and that was why he had flesh and bone.

Yes, I said Jesus is not a spirit. But he is a spirit being with a soul and has flesh and bones.

Angels have flesh and bones because they eat and they have been seen by people from time to time.

BadPanda:
Take note in the account of the creation of man at Gen. 2:7 God brought man up from the dust of the earth and breathed into his nostrils the "breath of life".
We see that the only external thing that was given to the first man that is ever recorded is the "breath of life".
And take note of this twist. It then says:
"And the man became a living person"
The original Hebrew translation to that is "living soul".
In other words, "man became a living soul". Not that man has a soul. But man is a soul.
This "soul" in the scripture portray that:
-The soul is not a spirit but the man himself with the body that God created from dust.
-The soul can die as the verse stresses the phrase "living soul".
More evidence to support that is found at
Ezekiel 18:4&20 where it says plainly:
"...the soul who sins is the one who will die."
Here are many, many Bible references that prove that the soul is not immortal. It can die. It is the man himself.
Take a few:
Gen.19:19,20; Nu.23:10; Jg. 5:18; 16:16,30; Matt. 2:20; 26:38; John 2:5 Acts 3:23.

All these scriptures at the very least show what the people who spoke it understood about the word "soul" and "spirit".
The soul is very mortal and can die because it is of course the man himself.
The spirit is God's being along with all creatures living in the spirit realm. They would need spirit bodies. Flesh and blood (and bones obviously) can't enter heaven.

This misunderstanding was first held by the pagans like the Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks and Romans who believed in life after death.
God's servants of old did not believe that doctrine. (Psalms 146:4; Eccl. 9:5,6)
It was later when philosophies from people like Plato, Aristotle, Socrates and others infiltrated the Christian Congregation about the Second Century C.E, that such teachings and many others became more rampant.
(Col. 2:8; Heb.13:9).
Jesus and the apostles warned about this. (Matt. 24:11; 1Tim 4:1; 2Peter 2:1)
Do thorough research on your teaching so as not to be misled.

Why did Paul mention, our spirit, soul and body?

Why did Hebrews 4:12 say that God's word can separate the spirit and soul?

The word soul is used in different context in the Bible.

There is the immortal soul which is the seat of reasoning, will and emotion.

The soul is also used to represent the total man. For instance, if we say, 10 souls died in an accident, it also means, ten people died.

Get my Book, 'The Total Man' to clearly understand what I am saying.

MaxInDHouse:
You have proven it by words of your mouth not according to what is written in God's word.

To prove that some people are Satan's agents Jesus expressly stated what they are doing to others and how people are killing people just as Satan started in the beginning {John 8:44} then compare them to true worshipers of God in the first century {Matthew 12:46-50} who are preaching zealously and industriously teaching throughout Judea just as Jesus ordered them to preach and teach about peace! Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to 9:6

Ọmọ you and your cohorts are just gathering gullible followers making them idle noisemakers in the neighbourhood!

I am coming up with a book to expose your false teachings. Just get ready to be exposed.