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MaxInDHouse:
Cut up (in a vision) not literally!

At Jesus' last breath similar vision was seen as dead people were resurrected in the vision {Matthew 27:51-53} it doesn't mean that dead people were literally walking up and down in the city when Jesus has not called nah?
Remember that the dead in Christ will rise first so it's a vision not what happened literally!

I know a Pastor friend of mine who was literally caught up while praying with a friend. And for the period he was caught up, his friend just remained motionless until he came back. His friend was like a molded statue.

This experience is real.

Robert Liardon was also caught up in his full body to heaven at the age of 8 years. And he documented it in a book titled, I saw heaven.

Vision happens when you are in a particular place and your eyes open to see things.

But some people were caught up literally. They saw themselves being lifted up above the cloud into the heavens.

You will not believe because you don't have the spirit of God. An evil spirit of unbelief has taken over your life.

If you read Paul writing, he said he does not know if he was in his body or out of his body.

Paul knows the difference between being caught up and vision.

He also narrated different visions he saw.

Please, give your life to Christ and position yourself to experience the supernatural life in Christ.

MaxInDHouse:
God's servants in ancient times have seen visions of what is happening in heaven but that doesn't mean they went there!

But Paul said he was caught up there. Are you saying that he is lying?

MaxInDHouse:
Misinformed churchgoer, Jesus died and spend three days in the grave before resurrection so when did Paul travel to heaven after his death?

You are in the dark. You will never understand spiritual things. Apostle Paul is narrating his vision. He was caught up to heaven and you are asking me when did it happen? Are you saying that Paul or the Bible is lying.

He came back from the experience and he put it down in writing.

So many others in the present world we are living in have had similar experience.

Read the encounter of Mary Baxter who was caught up to heaven.

Heaven is real. When you die in Christ, your spirit goes there. But if you don't have Jesus, it goes to hell. This is the simple truth that Jehovah Witness is denying and brainwashing millions of people slain from the foundation of the world.

I feel sorry that you are one of their victims.

MaxInDHouse:
Nollywood movies and false religions have finished you completely!

When did Paul travel to heaven?

Are you saying the spirit of all creatures go to heaven? Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

Because according to God's word all souls are in the grave awaiting a resurrection! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

Explain the passage below to me

2nd Corinthians 12:2-4
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one CAUGHT UP TO THE THIRD HEAVEN.

3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

4 How that he was CAUGHT UP INTO PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Notice, Paul said he did not know if it was in his body or out of his body. The first means his total man was caught up. The second is his spirit man.

Please, try to start Bible lessons again. I will teach you free of charge.

Elliotwaveforec:
Why English and not Igbo, Yoruba or Hausa? Maths is all we need to measure true intelligence.

I am just curious why it's really difficult for students to have high score in English.

Another question is why are the best scores always gotten by science students? I have never seen an art student having the highest score.

MaxInDHouse:
Paul will die and on the day of resurrection he will be with Christ not at the moment he died that's why he said:

those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16b-17a

Those who died as born again Christians will rise first and the remaining who are still alive will later join them immediately at death which means such ones will not stay unconscious in their graves for any reason.

If they're not dead they can't go to Heaven:

So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised up in power. It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. 1Corinthians 15:42-44

So nobody is going to heaven without dying first, the corrupt body must be sown before the bearer can get the glorious one at resurrection!

Paul and other saints are already with Christ. His real self which is his spirit man is still alive. Who will deliver you from the brainwashing of Jehovah Witness teachings? They have so damaged your brain that it can't accept or believe the truth.

Gerrard59:
I saw this thread (https://www.nairaland.com/7752744/meet-highest-jamb-scorers-last) about the top scorers in JAMB in a decade, and as an admirer of academic excellence, I thought about where these scholars are today. The mini-research brought about interesting results, which I explained after the compilation.

Officially known as UTME, but popularly known as JAMB, the organising body. It is the exam Nigerian students write to gain admission into universities nationwide. For easy understanding, both JAMB and UTME will be used interchangeably. I could not find anything for some people, so it is stated as “nothing was found”. In few cases, I was not sure, so no definitive statement was stated. If you know such persons, kindly comment.

JAMB score is: /400

Can you do a study on the highest score any of these best students had in English. I had an argument that no one ever got above 80% in English. Even this year, the four best had less than 70% in English.

MaxInDHouse:
Hell Hell Hell
Must everything you don't know end up with this empty threats?
Ọ̀gbẹ́ni resurrection means the dead will be brought back to life so they're not alive until the day of resurrection!

Philippians 1:22-24.
22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.

23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, AND TO BE WITH CHRIST; which is far better:

24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

Apostle Paul said he had a desire to depart and be with Christ. He is talking about his spirit which is the real man. And he has been with Christ ever since he died. And many other saints are with Christ.

But those who die without Christ will go to hell. They will be there suffering torment until the final day of judgment.

MaxInDHouse:
You can lie hen!

Instead of agreeing that you committed a blunder.

God will bring them to rule with Christ Jesus not that they will come to the earth and reunite with their bodies which has routine in the grave.
Jesus said they will be like angels because they don't need physical bodies as they've been transformed during their resurrection as spirits not humans having bodies of flesh and blood! 1Corinthians 15:50

You are arguing with the scriptures. Read the entire passage. Well, your unbelief will not change the truth of God's word. You will have sense when you land in the pit of hell. But it will be too late to repent.

MaxInDHouse:
This is a lie even though you don't know you're lying!
The scriptures said:

because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord. 1Thessalonians 4:16-17

The question is has the Lord descended?
When did the Lord descended so that the dead (believing in him) rose from the dead to be forever with him in heaven?
The scripture here is saying that all those that lived before John the baptist are not worthy of resurrection not until those who knew Christ rise first.
So when did they go to heaven?

Read verse 14 of the same chapter. It's says;

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus WILL GOD BRING WITH HIM.

It says that God will bring with Jesus those who slept in him when he comes back. Jesus will come back with them. They are in heaven with their spirit man. They are coming back to be reunited with their bodies which will be transformed into a glorified body.

paxonel:
what the scripture says is very true!
And it is also applied in revelation.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Meaning, everyone were judged according to their works, but no one was justified into heaven.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Then after that, the book life which was the second book was brought and there was a roll call from this second book.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

This was done after the roll Call.

OUR DESTINY IS IN OUR HANDS

Our destiny is not just in your hands, it's in your deeds. You will be judged by your works.

paxonel:
When you read it from the previous verse

Romans 11:20 Well [because of unbelief they were..

Because of what?
Because of unbelief

So God will not spare any natural branch that loose his belief in Christ

And John 3:16 says that whosoever believes in him should have everlasting life

This invariably means whosoever does not believes in him will not have everlasting life.

So, all Christians have believed.
Call them fake pastors
Good pastors or whatever.

You can now see that our destiny is in our hands.

It's not only unbelief that can make you a misfit for the kingdom of heaven. Unrepented sin can also cut you off.

Adultery, fornication, lying can make you a misfit for God's kingdom. There are many pastors and Christians who believe but commit these sins at will. They will rot in hell.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Galatians 5:19-21

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Notice verse 21 says that those who commit these things written in the passage will not inherit the kingdom of God. And this letter was written to the church warning us to desist from such acts.

paxonel

Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall FALL AWAY , to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put
him to an open shame.

The passage above let us know that it's possible for some believers to fall away.

paxonel

paxonel:
THERE IS NO SINGLE SCRIPTURE THAT SUGGEST THAT ANY CATEGORY OF PASTORS OR ANY CHURCH MEMBERS WILL MISS HEAVEN NO MATTER THEIR ATROCITIES, SEEING THAT THERE IS GRACE CLAUSE THAT IS ATTACHED TO THEIR SALVATION THROUGH CHRIST.

SO, USING THE FEAR HEAVEN OR HELL FIRE TO GET PEOPLE REPENT OF THEIR EVIL WOUNT WORK ESPECIALLY FOR POVERTY STRICKEN THIRD WORLD AFRICAN COUNTRIES WHICH INCLUDES NIGERIA. SO YOU ARE JUST WASTING YOUR TIME POSTING THIS.

THERE ARE OTHER BETTER ALTERNATIVES WHICH ARE THE ROLES OF THE FAMILY AND SOCIETAL CULTURES TOWARDS EDUCATING MINDS FROM THE SCRATCH ON HOW TO LIVE BETTER, WHICH IS WHAT AFRICA IS TERRIBLY LACKING.

AGAIN, HOW MANY AFRICAN PARENTS AND TRADITIONAL INSTITUTIONS ARE EDUCATED ENOUGH TO FIT INTO THAT ROLE?

Please, explain the verse of scripture below:

Romans 11:21
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course there is heaven (spirit realms) but it's not for humans!

Saints of old are already in heaven. And those who die in Christ also go to heaven. There are scriptures that attest to this truth.

Singlenhappy:
How?

Virtually all the doctrines of the Jehovah Witness are contrary to what the Bible teaches. I will give a few examples;

1. They teach that Jesus did not resurrect bodily. But this is untrue. Jesus rose from the dead with a glorified body. Before he was crucified, he said, 'destroy this temple and I will raise it in three days'. And the scripture said he was referring to the temple of his body.

Besides, he appeared to his disciples and even asked doubting Thomas to touch him. He told Thomas that he is not a spirit because he has flesh and bones.

In their earlier publication, Jehovah Witness said that God could have melted the body of Christ with strong chemicals that made his body to disappear.

In recent publications, they said that God took his body away.

And all these assertions are without scripture backing. And gullible souls still believe and follow them. This is insanity at the highest level.

2. They teach salvation by works. But the scripture says that we are saved by grace through faith. It is after you are saved that God expects you to do good works. Your good works can not save you.

3. They do not believe that Jesus deity. In other words, Jesus is God in human flesh. He is the image of the invisible God. He is not a created being. Rather, all things were made by him. And there are scripture evidences to this.

4. They teach that hell is a physical grave. But the scripture teaches otherwise.

5. They teach that only 144,000 will make it to heaven. The scripture teaches otherwise.

6. They teach that Jesus is not coming back visibly. The Bible teaches otherwise.

7. They teach that the Holy Spirit is just a force or wind. The scripture teaches otherwise.

I could go on and on. In fact, they are anti Christ. They are agents of darkness disguised as ministers of light. They turn people away from the truth of God's word and make them double candidate of the very hell they deny its existence.

Because of their doctrines, so many people are already in hell and many more are going.

Please, run away from them and embrace Jesus. He is the way, the truth and the life.

11. Pastors who dedicate their resources and time to fight fellow pastors. Some do so in revenge of what they feel these pastors did to them. Are we supposed to repay evil for evil. Others do it to avoid competition.

Jesus spoke about those who smite their fellow servants because he delayed his coming. These are evil works of darkness.

Others do it through gossips and slanders. By the time they finish discussing their fellow pastors, weak minds will stay away from them.

May the Lord save his church from wolves in sheep's clothing.

The end is near. Let's cast off every works of darkness and serve God in sincerity of purpose. We will all stand before the judgment seat of Christ to be judged by him.

Let the love of Christ constrain us in all that we do.

10. Pastors who neglect the care of the poor. God has called us to love the brethren and pastors are not exempted from this responsibility. But this is not the case in many churches. You even hear some of them telling their members not to come to them for help. But they extort money from their members.

These set of pastors who ignore the cry of the poor in their midst will not smell the gate of heaven. They will be among the goats on the left hand side of Jesus.

9. Pastors who teach heresies. These are about the most dangerous sets of pastors. There are so many strange doctrines in the body of Christ today. Some of them completely counters what God's word says.

A good example are the doctrines of Jehovah Witness organization. They are false teachers. And countless millions have been led astray by their false teachings. The worst part of hell is reserved for pastors like this.

Even those who teach eternal security are false teachers. There is no such thing as eternal security. The scripture is very clear on it.

If there is eternal security, Jesus will not threaten the church of the Laodiceans that he will spue them out of his mouth.

8. Pastors who always tell their audience what they want to hear rather than what they ought to hear. They do so because they want to gather crowd instead of making disciples. You must teach the truth of God's word to your congregation and audience. God will hold you responsible if you fail to teach the whole counsel of God as revealed in his Word.

Pastors in this category who refuse to repent will not make heaven.

7. Pastors that operates like cult groups. These set of Pastors are also killers. But in addition, they gang up against other pastors who were part of them. They take such pastors as enemies. They will inform everyone in their ministry not to anything to do with any pastor they have tagged as an enemy. They won't pick your calls or offer you any form of assistance.

They will contact others and defame your character. They will say things that you untrue about you and people will believe them because of their perceived status. They will not make heaven.

6. Murderous Pastors. To those knew in ministry, you will be surprised to know that there are pastors who kill other ministers. They do not use their hands to do it. They hire assassins for the job. And some of them look very innocent. You will defend them at all cost. But they are murderers. No matter the issues you have with a fellow minister, you don't have the moral right to take their lives. Those who do such thing will never be forgiven because they know what they are doing. They will all rot in the pit of hell.

5. Envious Pastors. There are pastors who are envious of their fellow pastors and upcoming pastors under them. They see some special grace upon these pastors and do everything possible to destroy them.

When they see that your church is doing well, they will post you to remote locations where you will struggle. They will set you up to defame your character so that you can never get promoted. They know themselves. They will rot in hell.

4. Immoral Pastors. They are very loose in the flesh. It's true that a believer can fall into sin. If you repent, God will forgive you and cleanse you from your sin. But these set of pastors sin wilfully. They do not even feel remorseful about their sin. They even sleep with other women of God who are married. Some of the women minister also sleeps with married men of God. They see it as pleasure that God even approves. They are deeply into sexual immorality. They know themselves. They will not make heaven.

3. Fake miracle workers. These are another set of Pastors that will not make heaven. They stage managed miracles and deceive their audience just to gather crowd. So many have been caught. Many more will be exposed. They will not make heaven unless they repent.

2. Greedy pastors are the second set of pastors that will not make heaven. They are just after money. They do not have the interest of the flock in mind. They use different means to extort money from their members. And members respond as though they have been jazzed. They have turned their churches into business centers. They know themselves. They will not make heaven unless they repent.

Pastors and Ministers of God are supposed to be guiding light to the lost world and the body of Christ. But activities carried out by most of them points to the fact that they are just wolves in sheep's clothing. And gullible sheeps follows these pastors like zombies.

It's important to note here that being a Pastor or a minister of God is not a ticket to heaven. God will judge everyone by the same rule or his word. There is no such thing as eternal security as taught by some of these pastors and Ministers of the gospel.

How do one know Pastors and Ministers that will miss heaven if they don't repent?

1. Pastors that use fetish means to grow their churches and ministry. There are a good number of them. I have met with one personally who wanted to introduce me to their evil ways. They know themselves. They will not make heaven. They can make all the monies on earth and have large congregation. But they will not smell the gate of heaven. By their fruits, you will know them.

RaDaZaBaNa:
From a concerned Friend..


...I believe in God but not in Religion ...Am not an atheist...I believe in the supreme being ...an Almighty creator .

However I do not conform with the idea of religion...Christians believe only through Jesus that man can make heaven..Muslim believes theirs is the only way..So are the Other religion and their followers...


please is their a way one can worship God without following any religion ?? ..I acknowledge God but religion is a no for me.

Cc lalasticlala

Belief in God or religion can not save you.

Your salvation is in Jesus Christ alone.

Jesus proved his claim that he is the to God. The other religious leaders did not prove their claims.

Jesus lived a sinless life but other religious leaders were all sinners.

Jesus was born without the agency of man but other religious leaders were born like every other person.

Jesus performed matchless miracles. Other religious leaders could not perform miracles that could match that of Jesus.

Jesus is the only one who lived who made claims that no other human ever made till date. For instance he said:

1. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life - John 3:16.

2. I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me - John 14:6

He always called God his father. Others called him God.

He told the Jews he was before Abraham. This proves his pre existence.

He also said that he is the I Am. The same phrase God used to introduce himself to Moses.

He predicted his own death and resurrection and it happened just that way.

He is risen and still alive. Other religious leaders are all dead.

I could go on and on.

Only a fool will see all these facts and still don't know who is the Saviour.

Just ask him to come into your life today and you will be saved.

Jesus is the answer to all these. And living by the word of God is the way to God. No true believer will hurt someone if you are rooted in God's love.

Good one. I hope the standard rooms will not be expensive as hotels?

And they should screen everyone coming before the place is polluted by false brethren.

OluwaLina1:
Happy sunday nairalanders.
I moved to a new area(Student area) and decided to attend a nearby church.

These are what I noticed.

-- I was the only one that used scarf.Even the choristers and the female ministers didn't use scarf.

--Almost all the female members are putting on trousers,ladies that put on gowns/skirt are not up to 20%.
I was even surprised that the two female ministers and the female choristers also put on trouser to climb the church alter.

--During prayer intersection,I noticed everybody were praying in tongues and it seems am the only person not filled with the holy spirit to speak in tongues.
Even when we were asked to pray on our offering,people still prayed in tongues.

And it just seems I'm odd among them or is it that am not modernized?

Head covering is not a doctrine. For anything to be a doctrine, it must have at least two or three witnesses. Apostle Paul only mentioned it one. He was not even addressing all women. He was talking to married women. But he ended up the topic by saying that there is no such practice.

Trouser wear by women is not a sin provided you are decently dressed.

Speaking in tongues is scriptural. It is the manifestation that follows the baptism with the Holy Spirit. And every child of God ought to be baptized with the Holy Spirit and speak in other tongues.