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Dtruthspeaker:
See it. I answer you and then you flee to another issue. I won't help you clear all of the mess you created for yourself, you clear it up yourself, if you like. It is enough that you see that i answer you and you run to another place, even 3 or 4 times have i done it. So your choice to live or die. E.O.D

Pride will destroy you. You have the same spirit as that of a Jehovah Witness.

bobestman:
@Ken4Christ. You know nothing about the book you read. The Messiah was never against the law and you should be concerned with what he said about issues not what Paul said. Many things Paul taught contradicts what the Messiah said. Paul was doing the biddings of the Vatican. He called himself a christian but he is also the leader of the sect of the Nazarenes a group that keep all the laws Acts 24:5. He said the laws were done away but he observed the sabbath and passover Acts 13:14;42-44; 17:2. Acts 12:4; 1 Cor 5:7-8. Many of you don't know who is Paul. In your NT before you teach anything ensure that it is in line with what the messiah taught. They might even tell you he said so. You ppl need wisdom to understand what was and what is not in that book. Many things in the NT after the messiah were influnced by the Vatican. The messiah came to fulfil/abrogate/correct the wrongs in the law. Afterwards he and his disciples kept everything till their death. Burn that your book. Many of you are in error.

Apostle Paul was called by the Lord Jesus himself and Paul said that the things he taught was received by revelation.

None of the Apostles condemned Paul's teachings. Rather, it was Paul who rebuked Peter on one occasion for his hypocrisy.

Dtruthspeaker:
That is not the meaning of Paul's statement and he did not even say Law of Moses, he said works. When he wanted say Law of Moses, or Works of Law, he said it.

So you are the one committing the crime of adding to the bible. See, now you are committing more sins to cover your sins.

You better fear The Lord and run away from matters you are not trained for. Bye

You are the one who need to run for your life.

The law of Moses is referred to as the letter that kills.

It is known as the ministry of condemnation.

The scripture also calls it the ministry of death.

In another place, it is called the yoke of bondage.

Please, free yourself from that yoke. If you must keep the law, you must keep the over 600 instructions it contains. If you break just one, you have broken all.

Just as Paul wrote;

Galatians 6:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Even circumcision which was one of the most sacred law is no longer neccesary - Galatians 5:6.

Why not thank me for opening your eyes. Rather, you prefer to remain in the dark.

Dtruthspeaker:
I have refuted it twice using the same scriptures you presented but did you listen? So don't bother me.

Grace and Law of Moses are mutually exclusive events. They can't exist together. This is Paul's argument in the verse below;

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works (Law of Moses): otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works (Law of Moses), then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Note that works in this context refers to the Law of Moses. The law is a work system.

bobestman:
@Ken4Christ go and burn that book. You don't understand what you are teaching

Refute my claims based on scriptures and not based on personal opinions that can't be substantiated with scripture.

Even the Apostles of the early church deliberated on this issue and concluded that the law of Moses is a yoke that must not be put on the church. Read the passage below;

Acts 15:5-6
5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. note

6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter

Read their conclusion;

Acts 15:24
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom WE GAVE NO SUCH COMMANDMENT.

Acts 15:28-29
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you NO GREATER BURDEN THAN THESE NECESSARY THINGS;

29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Read the whole chapter for better understanding.

Even an earlier verse in Acts 13 says;

Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which YE COULD NOT BE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW OF MOSES.

Dtruthspeaker

bobestman:
Go and do your research. Paul who wrote that observed the passover and sabbath. The messiah and disciples did till their death. I guess they are under the law right? You ppl don't know what was and was not in your bible that is why you ppl are decieved

Please, read Chapter Five of my book, 'Is the Church Under the Law of Moses?

Chapter Five

The Shortcoming of the Law of Moses

1. The Law Brought a Curse on the Jews
“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse (spelt out in Deut. 28:15-68), for it is written cursed be every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of in the book of the law to do them” (Gal. 3:10).

Under the Law of Moses, the Jews got blessed by keeping the law (Deut. 28:1-14) and got cursed for breaking the law (Deut. 28:15-68). History reveals that they couldn't keep the laws and consequently came under the curse. Their inability to keep the laws was because of their carnal nature (Rom. 7:14). It takes a spiritual man to keep a spiritual law.

2. The Law Brought Wrath on the Jews

“Because the law worketh wrath, for where no law is, there is no transgression” (Rom. 4:15). A typical example as mentioned above is recorded in Num. 11:1, where the fire of the Lord was kindled against the Jews when they murmured and complained against Moses. Many of the Jews died. In another instance recorded in Num. 21:5-6, fiery serpents were sent to bite the people when they spoke against God and Moses. In contrast, they were not punished when they committed similar offence under Abrahamic covenant. (Ex. 16:2 & 17:3). There was no mercy under the Law of Moses; sin attracted death penalty under the law. (Heb. 10:28). Stubbornness under the law also attracted death penalty (Deut. 21:18-21). Also if a lady was loses her virginity before marriage and the husband found out, she was stoned to death (Deut. 22:13-21). A young man who gathered sticks on the Sabbath day was not exempted from death penalty (Num. 15:32-36).

“He that despised Moses law died without mercy under two or three witnesses” (Heb. 10:28). “And the commandment which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death” (Rom. 7:14).

When David numbered Israel against God’s will, 70,000 Jews died within a short space of time. (2 Sam. 24). This is why Paul calls the Law, ministry of condemnation and death. (2 Cor. 3:7-9)

3. The Law Made Nothing Perfect.

“For the law made nothing perfect but the bringing in of a better hope did by which we draw nigh unto God” (Heb. 7:19).
If the law made nothing perfect for the Jews and it won't do any better for the church.

4. The Law Made No One Perfect.

“For the law having a shadow of good things to come and not the very image of the things can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect (as pertaining to the conscience)” (Heb. 10:1).

See also Heb. 9:9. What Paul is saying here is that the Old Covenant sacrifices couldn't remove the guilt of sin. So trying to obey the laws will never take away the guilt of sin. Only faith in the blood of Jesus will remove the guilt of sin.

“For if the blood of bulls and goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh, how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins” (Heb. 9:13-14, 10:4).

5. The Law Could Not Give Life.

“Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid, for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness would have been by the law. For what the law could not do (produce life), in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin condemned sin in the flesh. And the commandment which was ordained to life I found to be unto death. For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof” (Gal. 3:21, Rom. 8:3, 7:10, Heb. 7:18).

6. The Law Came To Amplify Sin

“What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay I had not known sin but by the law. For I had not known lust except the law had said THOU SHALL NOT COVET. But sin taking occasion by the commandment wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law, sin was dead” (Rom. 7:7-

7. The Law Could Not Give The Jews Ability To Live Above Sin.

“For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh. God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin condemned sin in the flesh. For that which I do I allow not, for what I would, that do I not but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. For I know that in me (that is in my flesh) dwelleth no good thing for to will is present in me but how to perform that which is good I find not” (Rom. 8:3, 7:15-18).

8. Under the Law, the Jews Could Not Have Personal Fellowship with God or Approach Him.

“And the LORD said unto Moses. Go down; charge the people lest they break through unto the LORD to gaze and many of them perish. And let the priest also, which come near to the LORD, sanctify themselves, lest the LORD break forth upon them. And Moses said unto the LORD, the people cannot come up to Mount Sinai…..” But into the second (most holy place) went the high priest ALONE once every year…” (Ex.19:21-23, Heb. 9:7).

“And they said unto Moses, speak thou with us, and we will hear, but let not God speak with us lest we die. And the people stood AFAR OFF and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was” (Ex. 20: 19, 21).

9. If You Break One Law, You Have Broken All the Laws

“For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all” (James2:10).

There're over 600 laws the Jews had to obey. Deut. 22:5 which most of our churches is using to bring confusion is just one of them. For instance, verse 9 of the same chapter says the Jews shouldn't' plant two different kind of crops on the same farm land. Also, verse 11 says they shouldn't' put on garment of mixed fabrics. How many of those trying to obey Deut. 22:5 keep these other laws? If the New Testament Saints were to live by the Law of Moses, virtually everyone would have been guilty of breaking the law. None of us for instance keeps the law of Sabbath. Even those who worship on Sabbath days are not necessarily keeping it. No form of work was to be done on it. Not even cooking or clean-ups.

10. The Presence of the Law Brought Condemnation to the Gentiles

The presence of the law implied condemnation for the Gentiles because they were excluded from the covenant. The law stood as a wall separating the Jews from the Gentiles. It also led to hostility between both races therefore creating enmity. (Eph. 2:11-16).

Thank God this condemnation is taken away only in Christ;

“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” (Romans 8:1)

The wall of separation between the Jews and the Gentiles brought by the law had been removed;

“For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.” (Ephesians 2:14-15)

Dtruthspeaker:
I told you back then that, it means."THE DESTINATION/PURPOSE OF THE LAW". I told you then that Paul was a laeyer and his writings are "A legal View and analysis of the acts Jesus Christ in the Eye of The Law". This how the topic would have been framed on Channels Tv if he could have been interviewed by them.

I told you all this and i am tired of your stubbornness and endless moving argument. First, it was Ephesians, i.answered then you moved to Romans, i have again answered. Then you will move again to Galatians or another Romans ... i have done alll these before about 3 times and I am tired. So please let me be.

Go through this excerpt from my book titled, Is The Church Under the Law of Moses?

Chapter Eight

Proofs That the Law of Moses Has Been Abolished

Scriptures pointing to the end of the Law are too numerous to be ignored. We will look at some of them in this chapter;

“And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the Law of Moses.” (Acts 13:39)

“For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.” (Romans 6:14)

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.” (Romans 7:6)

“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.” (Romans 10:4)

“Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.” (Galatians 3:13-14)

“But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.” (Galatians 3:23-25)

“Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.” (Ephesians 2:15)

“Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.” (Colossians 2:14)

“For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.” (Hebrews 7:18)

“For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.” (Hebrews 7:12)

“And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.” (Hebrews 9:15)

“Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.” (Hebrews 10:9)

All these scriptures speak for themselves. It will only take a dishonest person to still argue that the law has not ended. Just as we have crooks in the society, we also have spiritual crooks in the church who will twist the scriptures to their own destruction.

Dtruthspeaker:
We went through this last year or so and in the end you had nothing to say, yet you did not heed, even though, what He abolished is right in front of you to wit, "the enmity (hatred) of The Law".

And you are teaching that people should be enemies of The Law and should continue their enmity against The Law, what Jesus had taken away and abolished.

I did my best about 3 or 4 times to explain it to you in the past but you did not listen, so this is my last attempt of showing you what you already know to be True, after all, it is your life or death.

What is the verse below saying?

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the END OF THE LAW for righteousness to every one that believeth.

bobestman:
If you truly wrote a book on that verse, gather them up and set them ablaze cos you don't understand it. Enmity in the law is the wrongs in the law. Their were many wrongs in the law he came to correct cos during his days and even in the OT times the law was mixed with traditions of men. The reason he came to correct and abrogate it. Stoning a woman caught in adultery and many wrongs in the law he corrected in the NT are a good example. The wrongs in the law is what was abolished. Him and his disciples kept the laws till their death. Oga go burn that book so won't mislead another group of ppl

You are ignorant of your ignorance. Interpret the verse below;

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: FOR YE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW, but under GRACE.

Dtruthspeaker:
We went through this last year or so and in the end you had nothing to say, yet you did not heed, even what He abolished is right in front of you to wit, "the enmity (hatred) of The Law".

And you are teaching that people should be enemies of The Law and should continue their enmity against The Law, what Jesus had taken away and abolished.

I did my best about 3 or 4 times to explain it to you in the past but you did not listen, so this is my last attempt of showing you what you already know to be True, after all, it is your life or death.

You are so full of ignorance on this subject.

The verse or passage it's taken from simply means that the presence of the Law created enmity between the Jews and the Gentiles. This is why there were constant battle that happened between the Jews and the Gentile nations around them.

And that same law stood as a wall separating the Jews and the Gentiles. The King James calls it middle wall of partition.

But when Jesus abolished the law of Moses, the wall separating us has been broken and we are now one in Christ.

There is no more special preference for the Jews. We are equal rights before God. We are now fellow heirs and fellow citizens of God's kingdom.

This is the central message of Ephesians chapter two and three.

Sonnetoshodi:
Hello everyone.
I've been celibate for 10 months. Till I had sex couple days ago.
Before that time, I saw my self as God's favorite.
But now I just feel like God and I had a quarrel.
It hurts so bad, cause it's now like I don't know how to go to him.
A week now I've not said my night or morning prayers.
Has God left me? Can we still be close?
Have I don't something unpardonable.

You have a right to receive forgiveness from God.

1 John 1:9 says that if you confess your sins, God is faithful and just to forgive you and cleanse you from all unrighteousness.

God does not condemn you when you sin. Rather, he has given you an advocate in the person of our Lord Jesus to defend you against the accuser.

So, receive your forgiveness and don't let the devil remind you of what you did. When God forgives, he doesn't keep the record. It is completely wiped off.

If you keep yourself under guilt and condemnation, you are giving the devil an advantage over you and he could use the opportunity to afflict you.

Hanndye:
But first you have to be initiated into his body. Jesus says, in vain, they call Him Lord Lord but do not what He Says. That means you have to do what He says first in other to get His approval. He commanded baptism, didn't He?

Christ commanded baptism but not water baptism.

Water baptism was introduced by John the Baptist pending when the Holy Spirit baptism would come.

Jesus does his baptism with the Holy Spirit. John did his with water.

Water was a symbol of the Holy Spirit. You have no business with symbols when the reality has come.

Dtruthspeaker:
You are just letting devil use you. When you fulfilled the requirements of the law of American visa and green card things, did it get abolished or when you fulfilled the law of marriage, did you eradicate marriage?

You are doing exactly what atheists do in letting their wishes blind them from Truth and reason.

Please explain the verse of Scripture below:

Ephesians 2!15 HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, EVEN THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

I have a book on this. Let me just feed you little by little.

Corrections:
The law of Moses refers to a collection of laws and commandments that were given to Moses by God according to the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). Many people think Jesus has come to abolish the laws given by God to Moses and other prophets before him. Jesus knowing the thoughts of people in the Bible had to openly confess about his mission in this subjec matter when he was asked "what his mission was".

Matthew 5: 17-19
17“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18“For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19“Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

From statement made by Jesus one could see how much respect he has for God's word and also showing us the quality of God's word. However, it is one task to know the laws of God given to moses and its another task completely to know the true interpretations of these laws of God given to Moses. Even though Jesus completely agreed with the people on validity of God's law given to moses and other prophets but disagreed with the same people on the true interpretation of these laws given to Moses and other prophets.

Matt 17:9-13

9 As they were coming down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, “Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man has risen from the dead.” 10 And His disciples asked Him, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” 11 And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things; 12 but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. [/b]So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Baptist.

Here Jesus completely agrees (knowing fully well that God"s word stands forever) with the people that God had given his words to Moses and other prophets before moses concerning the signs to see when the messiah would come ( Here the people asked Jesus.....Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” 11 And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things.)

Where Jesus disagrees with them as concerning the law of moses is when they lack true ( heavenly ) interpretation of God's word given to these prophets. Just imagine the scenerio on ground where the people were still waiting for Elijah to come when in the reality of God's plan "Elijah already came and departed." This only means that they failed to connect to Gods own interpretation of his laws given to moses and other prophets before Moses.

The major problem these people have is "lack of committment to understand the true or detailed meaning of every Law given to moses and other prophets by God." Even though they were experts at understanding the detailed meaning associated to other things of the flesh, they were less concerned at going the extra mile connecting to God in understandig the things of heaven spoken concerning them. Here is another example below...

Matthew16:1-4
Then the Pharisees and Sadducees came, and testing Him asked that He should show them a sign from heaven. He answered and said to them, “When it is evening you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red’; and in the morning, ‘It will be foul weather today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ Hypocrites! You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times. A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.” And He left them and departed.

Jesus has come to show the world the true meaning to those laws of God given to moses and prophets before moses. Jesus therefore, has come to execute God's word given to Moses and other prophets before Moses.

Luke 24:44, Jesus says—

“This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

Another example in Moses law Jesus gave the true meaning to which the people had misinterpreted over the years is on divorce and murder.

Matthew 19:8-9

8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

Murder
In Matthew 5:21 - 26
Jesus amplified the meaning of the sixth commandment "thou shall not kill." He revealed that to commit murder is more than killing someone, it means having an angry and unforgiving attitude towards them (Matthew 5:21 - 26).

Where we should worship God

The Gospel of John 4:1–42 talks about the encounter between Jesus and the woman of Samaria. The discusson between Jesus and the Samaritan woman was about what the Law ( Moses law ) says about the right place to worship God.
The Samaritans believed that Mount Gerizim, not Jerusalem, was the place designated by God for worship. They once had a temple on the mountain which was near Sychar (Shechem), where this story takes place.

Question she asked...
19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”

Jesus' reply to the Samaritan woman about the true interpretation of Moses Law (which they lacked back then) as it relates to the right place to worship God.
21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

The statement does not rule out the relevance of the Temple, or any place of worship; it does, however, stress the point that such places do not make the people's worship more pleasant before God. Jesus’ statement suggests that while the designated places of worship are important, they are not the only places where God can be worshipped. The statement points to the fact that the hour is coming when worship will have to be outside the designated sites – “neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.”[8] Jesus' words clearly state that the buildings or sites do not make the worship; the people do, and true worshippers worship in Spirit and in truth. Worship happens where the people are.

Therefore, Jesus has come to show us the true meaning of God's word given to moses and other prophets before Moses so as to deliver us from ignorances that limits us before God . No wonder the apostle says in the book of

Galatians 3:24 — New Living Translation (NLT)
24 Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith.

To fulfill in this context means to meet the requirements of the law after which it was abolished.

So, the law has been fulfilled and abolished. The church is not under the law of Moses.

Hanndye:
After the Outer-call or on the radio, after preaching, the preacher would ask those who wish to give their lives to Jesus to repeat certain words after him calling Jesus into their lives. Is this right and Baptism not neccesary?

Baptism is necessary but it is the baptism with the Holy Spirit.

Jayses:
The book of Revelation has always
presented the interpreter with challenges. The
book is steeped in vivid imagery and symbolism
which people have interpreted differently
depending on their preconceptions of the book as
a whole ,so what is ur own take regarding the figure , is it really what the witness says it is ? Rev 7:4..........

First, they are Jews.
Second, they will be picked from the twelve tribes of Israel - 12,000 from each tribe.
Third, they are blameless before God. They never defiled themselves with women.
Fourth, they are the elect Jesus spoke about in Matthew 24.
Fifth, they will be sealed for protection when God begins to unleash his seven trumpet judgment.
Sixth, they will be raptured before the end of the great tribulation period the Jews will pass through.

I am actually working on a book concerning the events of the last days as unveiled in the Bible and the book of Revelation.

You don't solve a problem by creating another problem. How will they feed as they sit at home? Brainless and selfish leader.

He is raising a poor congregation. Giving is one sure way God has ordained us to be rich.

MaxInDHouse:
Mumu!
You yourself said your pastors will be in your hell yet you can't help them!

Everyone who refuse to repent will go there. God is no respecter of persons. Whether you are a Prophet, Bishop, Reverend or whatever title you possess, you will go to hell if you refuse to repent.

MaxInDHouse:
When Jesus was talking stubborn Jews were GNASHING their teeth at him in mockery that's why he said all their mockery will lead them to everlasting destruction but the thought of the dead being alive somewhere has eaten deep into your brain cells so you can't understand that death is the opposite of life.
Well just as your topic says it's all about your own people those you're calling PASTORS and MINISTERS so go and help them if you can!

You are using lies to defend your lies. Even your conscience knows that you are lying. Continue until you fulfill prophecy. You will gnash and weep in the worst portion of hell unless you repent.

The truth is that 1,000 naira won't be enough to cook any food that will sustain you for three days unless you just want to eat the same meal.

Just look for a much poorer person and sow the money as a seed. And watch God do his miracle.

wumi2017:
Buy 2cups of beans #200
Fresh corn (agbado tutu) #200
Palm oil #100
Pepper #100
Onion. #30
Just cook the beans and agbado (corn) together put palm oil, pepper and onion 😆
Chai 😘 everything don set ,,you go just dey drink water dey go ,you no go get hungry,then use d remaining # 370 buy bread or garri join am 🤣🤣

For 3 days?

MaxInDHouse:
First of all Hell means Grave and at death you'll not know or feel anything otherwise you would have seen how we will enjoy everlasting life in Paradise on Earth when you're not part of those benefiting from the provisions God made for faithful people.

Jesus said that there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth there. Do lifeless bodies weep and gnash their teeth?

Jesus said that the rich man lifted up his eyes in hell and saw Lazarus afar. Do dead bodies in the grave see?

You will defend yourself and call it parable. Do you use events that can not happen in real life as parables?

Our does it sound if you replace the word hell with grave in the narration above?

In grave, the rich man lifted up his eyes and saw Lazarus...

Don't you see how foolish it sounds. You don't have much time left on earth. Repent fast rather than defending the doctrines of Russell and Rutherford.

Russell and Rutherford teachings have damaged your brain cells. Well, you will join them very soon in that burning flame since you don't want to believe God word.

Kobojunkie:
Revelations 9 happened over 1900 years ago during the last days described by the Prophets. The prophet Joel is noted to have recorded many of the details of that contained in Revelations 9 in Joel chapters 1 - 3.

You don't have the capacity to receive the truth of God's word. You must be born again first. Second, you must receive the baptism with the Holy Spirit. It's only after then, your spirit will be ready to receive God's word. For now, it will sound foolish to your carnal mind.

MaxInDHouse:
Let those with heaven and hell experience stay on their lane as for what happened to Paul he had a vision not what happened literally!

You unbelief will not change the truth of the scripture. It will eventually land you in hell. You will feel very sorry for yourself the day you see your soul in hell. You will remember all the opportunities you had to repent but threw them away. It's your choice. You have chosen your destiny.

They didn't include longest marathon preaching.

MaxInDHouse:
So Paul went to heaven before his death shey?

Please wait for everyone to have the same experience before agreeing with you because God's word says it's only after (not before) death that people can see the judgement of God! Hebrews 9:27

But since you believe it's possible to see it before then everyone must see it as God's word never said so as for what Paul saw it was a vision not what happened literally and it wasn't meant to convince others but to help them know how possible it is for humans to go to heaven as spirits not with flesh and blood.

It's a supernatural experience. It can't happen to everyone. It's according to the will of God. Some have also visited hell and came back. Mary Baxter has visited both hell and heaven. It does not happen to everyone.

Some go with their spirit out of their body while others go with their complete body. This is why Paul was uncertain whether he was out of his body or in his body when he had the experience.

The headline is misleading. How did he blow hot? He made his response in a very calm manner. You can't bring down a man God has lifted.

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"Jesus declared, “Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem... Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”" (John 4:21,23,24).

Jesus did not say, "It no longer matters whether you worship God on this mountain nor in Jerusalem, you can worship God anywhere". He didn't say we can worship God in any place. Rather he said worship should be done in spirit and in truth. Yes, he was saying worship has shifted from something you do in a physical place, to something you do in the Spirit within you. Now you wonder, after this statement of Jesus, why are believers still going to a building to worship God?

From that statement of Jesus, we get an idea of how God expect us to live the Kingdom life. And it's definitely not by building worship centers. There is no indication anywhere in the New Testament that God desires that believers today should build houses of worship unto him. Rather we see the opposite of that.

“However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says: ‘Heaven is My throne, And earth is My footstool. What house will you build for Me? says the Lord, Or what is the place of My rest? Has My hand not made all these things?" (Acts 7:48).

After the Scripture has clearly stated that God does not live in any physical building. Then why do we build churches and call them the house of God? Are we not contradicting the Scripture? If Jesus said worship should be done in spirit, and God wants it that way, then why do we go to a building to worship God? Is that building spirit, is it made of spirit bricks? Why have we chosen to be children of disobedience?

We discover that for the first 300 years after the ascension of Jesus believers refused to build any church. It wasn't because they were not opportune to, it wasn't because they don't have the money, or they were constantly on a run. Come on, people who are on a run will not go to public places to preach. Read the Bible, the apostles were not preaching underground, they preached in public places. It is false to assume that the 1st-century believers fellowship in their homes rather than building churches because they were hiding. They were not hiding, they understood the instructions of Jesus as such refused to have a building for worship services.

During Paul's first missionary Journey, one of the first places that Paul went to minister was the island of Cyprus. There a governor accept the gospel and became a believer (read Acts 13:4-12). Paul continued his ministry for over 10 years and the Bible made no mention of the church-building that this governor built. In fact, we discovered that the believers on the island of Cyprus continue to gather in their homes.

Why would a man of great resource like Governor Sergius Paulus refuse to build a church for him and the believers in Cyprus to worship God? Why didn't Paul write a letter to Sergius Paulus warning him against greed and asking him to use his money and resources to fund the house of God so that the believers in Cyprus can have a place to worship?

The Philippines were the wealthiest believers out of all the communities Paul ministered. They consist of people with high status in the Roman Empire. They had more than enough money to fund a church-building project. But why didn't they? If your heart is sincere towards God you will ask these questions. Why is it that for 300 years believers refused to build a church despite the available opportunities?

Paul ministered in Ephesus for 3 years, and that was enough time to build a church in Ephesus. Yet he refused to. Instead, believers continued to fellowship in their homes. The homes were too small for Paul to minister. Instead of organising the believers to make contributions and build a church, Paul decided to rent a school. No, they were not gathering in that school for worship services.

Many of the people who came there were unbelievers, curious minds from all over the province of Asia, gathering to listen to Paul's teachings. The believers continued to fellowship at their homes. From the 1st century down to the 3rd century Christians strongly believed that God doesn't want them to build churches. They believe it was against the Christian faith to build churches. Here are quotes from the letters of Christian leaders in the 2nd and 3rd centuries.

"The Word, prohibiting all sacrifices and the building of temples, indicates that the Almighty is not contained in anything." Clement of Alexandria (year 195).

"We refuse to build lifeless temples to the Giver of all life... Our bodies are the temple of God... When they reproach us for not deeming it necessary to worship the divine Being by raising lifeless temples, we set before them our temples [bodies]." Origen (year 248).

From Jesus' discussion with the Samaritan woman, we see that the way he envisioned that the Christian life will be lived is not one where believers like the Jews and Samaritans keep going to some physical place to worship God.

From Stephen's speech, we see that God has no intention of us building a house for him.

In Paul's ministry, we see that he refused to have a building dedicated to Christian worship.

From the behaviours of the 1st-century believers, especially the wealthy ones, we understood that using your money to build churches was never considered a service unto God.

And in the letters of the 2nd and 3rd century Christian leaders, we see that they were fully convinced that we are not to build churches or hold worship services.

Now after seeing all this, and you still say to yourself, "It doesn't matter, there is nothing wrong with having church buildings and doing worship services", then your salvation should be questioned. Did you give your life to Christ or you gave your life to man's tradition? Are you truly saved at all? Is your heart pure and sincere towards God or are you doing Christianity simply because you were born into it?

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You got it all wrong. Even Jesus taught in the synagogues in his days.

What he meant is that God is not in any specific location. You can worship him anywhere.

If worship venue is not important, why did the writer of Hebrews said that we should not forsake the assembly of ourselves together? If we are supposed to come together to assemble, then a venue is important.

Apostle Paul in his letters acknowledged churches that meet in homes.

If you read verse 21 very well, Jesus said, 'Nor yet at Jerusalem'.

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, NOR YET AT JERUSALEM, worship the Father.

He did not say, 'nor in Jerusalem' in the King James version which is always the most reliable version.

What that means is that a time will come when Jerusalem will be the center of worship in the world. And there are prophecies with regard to that.

So, there is absolutely nothing wrong in building churches. The only thing that is wrong is limiting ministry work to the four walls of our churches. The brethren must be trained to go out and reach the lost. This is where the church is missing it. So many churches are not involved in evangelical activities. Rather, they organize programmes and invite the sinners to come.

It should be the other way. We ought to go to where the sinners are and preach the gospel to them. It's my earnest prayer that we repent and obey what our Lord has commanded us to do.

MaxInDHouse:
Nollywood movies and lies from false religions, so Paul went to heaven before he died or it's after he died?

Yes he did. And he narrated his experience in his letter to the church in Corinth. He came back from the visit. Many more have had the experience. Some to hell and some to heaven. It is very real.

Paul experience was not written in a fiction book. It's in the Bible. When he had a vision of our Lord Jesus, he also said it. This time, he said, he was caught up literally.

Please, leave the Jehovah Witness organization. Unlearn things they have taught you. Embrace the gospel of our Lord Jesus. Receive the baptism with the Holy Spirit. And you will see the difference between religion and true Christianity.

sofeo:
Tinubu should be smarter than this now, Just increase minimum wage instead of some foolish palliatives.

What about those who don't have jobs? And they are more in numbers?

Our fellowship is actually with the Father and his Son Jesus but through the enabling power and presence of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will not speak of himself. So, when you hear the Holy Spirit talking to you, it's actually Jesus or the Father that is speaking.

So, I prefer to use the phrase, 'fellowship of the Holy Spirit' rather than 'fellowship with the Holy Spirit'.