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What is the difference between NURTW and ICAN ? or NURTW and NBA or NURTW and NUJ

All na association of workers (some professional)

Why we allow NURTW to control public spaces, run city bus-stations and then run amok shooting and killing people is beyond me. And we are "really smart" o?

The Chennai Mofussil Bus Terminus or CMBT is a modern, state-of-the-art bus terminus located in Chennai, India catering to outstation buses. Spread over an area of 37 acres in Koyambedu, it is the largest bus terminus in Asia and is accredited with the ISO 9001:2000 quality certification for its quality management and excellence. It is located on the 100 feet (30 m) inner ring road (Jawaharlal Nehru Road) in Koyambedu between SAF Games Village and the Koyambedu Vegetable Market. Chennai Metro Rail is planned for its coaching Depot behind the CMBT.

[img]http://4.bp..com/_uhbxcIirW38/TJR5hWovPlI/AAAAAAAAAkU/i-is-LXqYX8/s1600/Delhi+Transport+Corporation+(DTC)+buses+which+will+be+used+during+the+Commonwealth+Games+are+parked+in+a+depot+in+New+Delhi++on+September+17,+2010.jpg[/img]

The largest underground bus station in Europe is Kamppi Centre of Helsinki, Finland completed in 2006. The terminal cost 100 million Euro to complete and took 3 years to design and build. Today, the bus terminal, which covers 25,000 square meters, is the busiest bus terminal in Finland.

[img]http://locatinghelsinki.files./2007/08/kamppi.jpg[/img]

We are even "world experts" at fixing and building Finnish-Nokia phones 

Natasha reportedly told a friend: “His response was completely selfish. But then I’ve discovered that Ryan only ever thinks about out himself. I honestly thought he felt a lot about me and respected me—but clearly he didn’t.

Our relationship was just about sex for him.” She says she was deeply hurt when he found out he was having and affair with Imogen, adding: “I know that sounds strange, but he wasn’t just cheating on Stacey – he was cheating on me too.”

Ashawo dey jealous?

^^ HA!, I'm good sis, the threads you started are positive enough, our future lies somewhere in our past.

BTW, I typed a nice reply to Katsumoto's unecessary outburst of "spanish joy" yesterday. I had a few "unpostable" words in it, so I deleted it. I don't want to traumatize our Spanish "friends of Nigeria"

This is a forward looking thread about Nigeria-Africa--> https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-683346.0.html

Wizardofoz:
^^^


So your grouse is with the constitution of the body? The fact that a lot of anti-democratic forces are included?

Is that your main issue?

Nope. My main issue, as I explained earlier in the thread, is with the idea itself.

The issue with the present crop of members is just secondary. I don't believe like some do that future Nigerian leaders will be some bunch of divine mother Theresas with eternal good intentions.

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=672198.msg8461576#msg8461576 date=1307313997]Africa: a continent drenched in the blood of revolutionary heroes: Between 1961 and 1973, six African independence leaders were assassinated by their ex-colonial rulers, including Patrice Lumumba of Congo, who was killed 50 years ago today

http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/poverty-matters/2011/jan/17/lumumba-50th-anniversary-african-leaders-assassinations?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487[/quote]Although we can't perfectly predict what these leaders and revolutionarys would have become -I believe they would have inspired tremendous greatness and progress if they had lived longer- Their murders dealt Africa a terribly bad hand. especially for their young countries at that time. 

Orikinla:
May I recommend Nigeria at the crossroads: Religion, education and nation building by Prof. Jacob Olupona, a Professor of African and African American Studies, Harvard University, United State.
Read it on http://thenationonlineng.net/web3/education/25922.html.

He also addressed some of the issues raised in our conversations.

Thank you Orikinla. That's a great article/speech. At the risk of sounding immodest, I'll say Olupona spoke my mind. Only if I was 1/100 as smart as he is.

The old link is not working, here's another one;

http://www.nigeriaradio.net/news/nigeria-music/401-nigeria-at-the-crossroads-religion-education-and-nation-building-.html

Interesting read.

[size=16pt]Actually, that's not in the Bible[/size]
By John Blake, CNN
Comments (3,492 comments)


(CNN) – NFL legend Mike Ditka was giving a news conference one day after being fired as the coach of the Chicago Bears when he decided to quote the Bible.

“Scripture tells you that all things shall pass,” a choked-up Ditka said after leading his team to only five wins during the previous season.  “This, too, shall pass.”

Ditka fumbled his biblical citation, though. The phrase “This, too, shall pass” doesn’t appear in the Bible. Ditka was quoting a phantom scripture that sounds like it belongs in the Bible, but look closer and it’s not there.

Ditka’s biblical blunder is as common as preachers delivering long-winded public prayers. The Bible may be the most revered book in America, but it’s also one of the most misquoted. Politicians, motivational speakers, coaches - all types of people  - quote passages that actually have no place in the Bible, religious scholars say.

These phantom passages include:

“God helps those who help themselves.”

“Spare the rod, spoil the child.”

And there is this often-cited paraphrase: Satan tempted Eve to eat the forbidden apple in the Garden of Eden.

None of those passages appear in the Bible, and one is actually anti-biblical, scholars say.

But people rarely challenge them because biblical ignorance is so pervasive that it even reaches groups of people who should know better, says Steve Bouma-Prediger, a religion professor at Hope College in Holland, Michigan.

“In my college religion classes, I sometimes quote 2 Hesitations 4:3 (‘There are no internal combustion engines in heaven’),” Bouma-Prediger says. “I wait to see if anyone realizes that there is no such book in the Bible and therefore no such verse.

“Only a few catch on.”

Few catch on because they don’t want to - people prefer knowing biblical passages that reinforce their pre-existing beliefs, a Bible professor says.

“Most people who profess a deep love of the Bible have never actually read the book,” says Rabbi Rami Shapiro, who once had to persuade a student in his Bible class at Middle Tennessee State University that the saying “this dog won’t hunt” doesn’t appear in the Book of Proverbs.

“They have memorized parts of texts that they can string together to prove the biblical basis for whatever it is they believe in,” he says, “but they ignore the vast majority of the text."

Phantom biblical passages work in mysterious ways

Ignorance isn’t the only cause for phantom Bible verses. Confusion is another.

Some of the most popular faux verses are pithy paraphrases of biblical concepts or bits of folk wisdom.

Consider these two:

“God works in mysterious ways.”

“Cleanliness is next to Godliness.”

Both sound as if they are taken from the Bible, but they’re not. The first is a paraphrase of a 19th century hymn by the English poet William Cowper (“God moves in a mysterious way, His wonders to perform).

The “cleanliness” passage was coined by John Wesley, the 18th century evangelist who founded Methodism,  says Thomas Kidd, a history professor at Baylor University in Texas.

“No matter if John Wesley or someone else came up with a wise saying - if it sounds proverbish, people figure it must come from the Bible,” Kidd says.

Our fondness for the short and tweet-worthy may also explain our fondness for phantom biblical phrases. The pseudo-verses function like theological tweets: They’re pithy summarizations of biblical concepts.

“Spare the rod, spoil the child” falls into that category. It’s a popular verse - and painful for many kids. Could some enterprising kid avoid the rod by pointing out to his mother that it's not in the Bible?

It’s doubtful. Her possible retort: The popular saying is a distillation of Proverbs 13:24: “The one who withholds [or spares] the rod is one who hates his son.”

Another saying that sounds Bible-worthy: “Pride goes before a fall.” But its approximation, Proverbs 16:18, is actually written: “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”

There are some phantom biblical verses for which no excuse can be offered. The speaker goofed.

That’s what Bruce Wells, a theology professor, thinks happened to Ditka, the former NFL coach, when he strayed from the gridiron to biblical commentary during his 1993 press conference in Chicago.

Wells watched Ditka’s biblical blunder on local television when he lived in Chicago. After Ditka cited the mysterious passage, reporters scrambled unsuccessfully the next day to find the biblical source.

They should have consulted Wells, who is now director of the ancient studies program at Saint Joseph’s University in Pennsylvania. Wells says Ditka’s error probably came from a peculiar feature of the King James Bible.

“My hunch on the Ditka quote is that it comes from a quirk of the King James translation,” Wells says. “Ancient Hebrew had a particular way of saying things like, ‘and the next thing that happened was…’ The King James translators of the Old Testament consistently rendered this as ‘and it came to pass.’ ’’

When phantom Bible passages turn dangerous

People may get verses wrong, but they also mangle plenty of well-known biblical stories as well.

Two examples: The scripture never says a whale swallowed Jonah, the Old Testament prophet, nor did any New Testament passages say that three wise men visited baby Jesus, scholars say.

Those details may seem minor, but scholars say one popular phantom Bible story stands above the rest: The Genesis story about the fall of humanity.

Most people know the popular version - Satan in the guise of a serpent tempts Eve to pick the forbidden apple from the Tree of Life. It’s been downhill ever since.

But the story in the book of Genesis never places Satan in the Garden of Eden.

“Genesis mentions nothing but a serpent,” says Kevin Dunn, chair of the department of religion at Tufts University in Massachusetts.

“Not only does the text not mention Satan, the very idea of Satan as a devilish tempter postdates the composition of the Garden of Eden story by at least 500 years,” Dunn says.

Getting biblical scriptures and stories wrong may not seem significant, but it can become dangerous, one scholar says.

Most people have heard this one: “God helps those that help themselves.” It’s another phantom scripture that appears nowhere in the Bible, but many people think it does. It's actually attributed to Benjamin Franklin, one of the nation's founding fathers.


The passage is popular in part because it is a reflection of cherished American values: individual liberty and self-reliance, says Sidnie White Crawford, a religious studies scholar at the University of Nebraska.

Yet that passage contradicts the biblical definition of goodness: defining one’s worth by what one does for others, like the poor and the outcast, Crawford says.

Crawford cites a scripture from Leviticus that tells people that when they harvest the land, they should leave some “for the poor and the alien” (Leviticus 19:9-10), and another passage from Deuteronomy that declares that people should not be “tight-fisted toward your needy neighbor.”

“We often infect the Bible with our own values and morals, not asking what the Bible’s values and morals really are,” Crawford says.

Where do these phantom passages come from?

It’s easy to blame the spread of phantom biblical passages on pervasive biblical illiteracy. But the causes are varied and go back centuries.

Some of the guilty parties are anonymous, lost to history. They are artists and storytellers who over the years embellished biblical stories and passages with their own twists.

If, say, you were an anonymous artist painting the Garden of Eden during the Renaissance, why not portray the serpent as the devil to give some punch to your creation? And if you’re a preacher telling a story about Jonah, doesn’t it just sound better to say that Jonah was swallowed by a whale, not a “great fish”?

Others blame the spread of phantom Bible passages on King James, or more specifically the declining popularity of the King James translation of the Bible.

That translation, which marks 400 years of existence this year, had a near monopoly on the Bible market as recently as 50 years ago, says Douglas Jacobsen, a professor of church history and theology at Messiah College in Pennsylvania.

“If you quoted the Bible and got it wrong then, people were more likely to notice because there was only one text,” he says. “Today, so many different translations are used that almost no one can tell for sure if something supposedly from the Bible is being quoted accurately or not.”

Others blame the spread of phantom biblical verses on Martin Luther, the German monk who ignited the Protestant Reformation, the massive “protest” against the excesses of the Roman Catholic Church that led to the formation of Protestant church denominations.

“It is a great Protestant tradition for anyone - milkmaid, cobbler, or innkeeper - to be able to pick up the Bible and read for herself. No need for a highly trained scholar or cleric to walk a lay person through the text,” says Craig Hazen, director of the Christian Apologetics program at Biola University in Southern California.


But often the milkmaid, the cobbler - and the NFL coach - start creating biblical passages without the guidance of biblical experts, he says.

“You can see this manifest today in living room Bible studies across North America where lovely Christian people, with no training whatsoever, drink decaf, eat brownies and ask each other, ‘What does this text mean to you?’’’ Hazen says.

“Not only do they get the interpretation wrong, but very often end up quoting verses that really aren’t there.”

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/05/thats-not-in-the-bible/

^ you mean you can't give advice in your area of professional expertise?

You made several smart points in the course of the 2011 election, you are obviously not dumb. There many smart policy experts in Nigeria or with connection to Nigeria, but how do you bring them on when you always need to listen to these same BS leaders with Zero track record of credible achievements.

@Lucabrasi, I have great respect for our culture but this has nothing to do with that, at least not the culture I'm aware of, besides, we are not the only society with respect for elders, it's a common theme across human societies and cultures, it is not an excuse for redundant BS leadership recycling.

BTW, If we want to stick to culture, all our former leaders will be dead by now. My part of Nigeria is well known for forcing leaders and kings to commit suicide when we want them out of power. That is a culture that recognizes the need to have a clean break from a useless "past"

. . .and we are not practising Gerontocracy, we have a Democracy -at least so it seems-  I made that point earlier on in the thread, we need to quit confusing our people.

I don't buy your argument about OBJ. what skills? What you call "stabilize" is what I refer to as "destabilize" and "chaotic" Nigeria is definitely an unstable democracy thanks to the skills of leaders like him.

EDIT

After reading the recently passed FOI bill, I had to dig up this thread.

The bill will be a useless document if our journalists don't step up their game. For now there's a lot to be afraid of.

Although I Must say I'm glad we have a few good journalists and investigative reporters especially at Olojede's 234next, we definitely need more, else these politicians and public servants will continue to eat our lunch while pissing in our mouths.

Our people need to be better informed. Smart, dedicated, fair and professional journalism is key.

^^ They don't have to be in a Council of State to do ANY of those things you listed. Advisers and leaders abound and there is no evidence to suggest that these people are wise or capable of giving great advice anyway.

I still can't undestand why some folks believe we need to keep the same crop of people in the corridors of power all through their lifes. BTW their influence goes beyond mere powerless advice, several links and examples had been given to show that they are more than ceremonial, these people are very influential.

There must be something cultural here I'm not keying into. I think it's worth researching for those who are so inclined, might explain a lot of our problems.

^^You dey mind them

Unnecessary theatrics.

Just publish records of his embezzlement and abuse of office, charge him to court, and try him -in absentia- if he won't return. Collect all the stolen funds you can and jail the fo.ol if you find him guilty.

Issuing empty bans helps no one.

^^
It becomes more dangerous when they are policy or decision makers with unrestricted access to power, with constitutionally backed power to influence the direction of government policies, appointments and even the emergency use of Military force.

If you take a calm deep look at the Council of S and compare whatever pro you see in it, with the cons already outlined by many of us here, I believe you will see why it is an unnecessary body. If not, I guess we can agree to disagree.

As for me, I want it removed from the current Nigerian constitution or any law we eventually write.

Watching Spain destroying that American spirit

Great crowd though, but too bad for them.

There are several ways to protect the interest of Nigerian consumers and also ensure that private companies make profit and deliver tax revenue to government.

Price control (price ceiling, price floor)

Sensible subsidies and Import controls especially for local exporters

Export focused foreign policies that will protect the Nigerian advantage

Regulations and enforcement of policies that will compel Nigerians to buy certain products or develop certain services e.g Insurance

One thing we have to move away from is the practice whereby Nationalized corporations double as regulators, e.g NNPC and PHCN

The key is sensible regulation, we need more of that and less of outright company ownership by the FG.

LOL @ "That na for 1966"

So young folks of today don't know how to enjoy life and flaunt wealth anymore hmm

Make I go dey save SUV money then.

^^What is SUV, I think marrying 4 wives at the same time is a better Mark of success

Ask those old cocoa farmers, cocoa boom = baby boom. . .SMH

^^^^
Concerning the website; MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY

Anyway, they are complaining about lack of funds, although they are listed on the NSE. It seems like a tough business to fund for investors in Africa, the big European players control the market.

I'm not sold on the N10Billion claim too.

For most of the company’s first two years of manufacturing life, inadequate funding prevented the company from storing up adequate raw cocoa beans, spare parts/consumables - a situation that compelled the company to enter into a working arrangement with one of its buyers. Under the arrangement, the buyer contracts to simultaneously sell cocoa beans to us and buy the relative products. It is expected that the company will gain greater control on its products when it is able to adequately fund its working capital requirements

^^
I saw the site, nice factory, BTW Do they export the "finished products" and to where?

I mean, like this company -->> http://www.barry-callebaut.com/  <<-- that company makes about $5 billion in sales from Cocoa products annually, that's a lot of money.

enyojo:
But members of the Council of state can look Mr President in the eyes and scold him.

In serious societies, presidential advisers are experts in their field who are passionate about the policy they advice on, they are powerful and accomplished enough to look their president in the eye and scold him. Read up on the advisers around US presidents, they are not errand boys.

they are also not spent forces appointed because they ruled earlier

By and large, I don't care whether the council is scrapped or not. All that concern me is the astronomical funds my husband and I spend on powering fuel-sucking dragon-like monstrous generators.

How are we sure people like IBB, Gowon and their friends are not the forces behind the companies profiting form these generators and diesel import taking money away from you and you family? besides, which advice will they give to fix what they clearly refused or failed to fix when they were in power?

^ I actually think the Council of State was enshrined in the Constitution because it was written by people who conciously or unconciously subscribe to the extreme social ideology which rates of age and status as the ultimate measure of good leadership and wisdom.

Now, I said extreme because I believe age can bring wisdom, but in a democracy where is is important to value the diversity of thoughts and opinion, I think we do ourselves a great disservice when we allow the same crop of people to officially make and influence decisions even after they've been removed by the people.

We need to stop thinking small about our people. If we elect a Bankole to power we don't need a bunch of former presidents to officially teleguide him, he can have advisers and we can remove him if we believe he's not leading us right, democracy allows that, but this CoS stuff is redundant and unnecessary, actually it is dangerous.

It does not help us to break the circle of backward group-think at the upper echelon of government and it also makes us dependent on people who might use their influence to protect their ignoble stewardship and legacy.

It is an unnecessary body.

Previous NL Threads on the absurdity called Council of state:

McKren:
Every passing day we moan about our past leaders without doing anything systematically to detach ourselves from that past. What hope for the future when the failed past has become a permanent part of our future.

As a country which experienced executive kleptocracy by past leaders especially Military heads of Government, its about time the aspect of the constitution which makes it mandatory for past military heads of Government to become life members of council of State be reviewed.

We have no business hoping to move forward when our failed past is an integral part of the future.

In fact I think a past head of Government should have to pass through NASS screening to be a member of Council of State, a screening which should be based on merit and how most your actions reflected National Interest as leader.

Otherwise our elections will continue to be cosmetic since whoever we vote for is at risk of being teleguided by past corrupt leaders.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=102557.msg1802346#msg1802346

Beaf:
Council of State (Nigeria)

The Nigerian Council of State is an organ of the Nigerian Government. Its functions include advising the executive on policy making.

Composition
The Council of State consists of the following persons:
• President, who is the Chairman;
• Vice-President, who is the Deputy Chairman;
• All former Presidents of the Federation and all former Heads of the Government of the Federation;
• All former Chief Justices of Nigeria;
• President of the Senate;
• Speaker of the House of Representatives;
• All the Governors of the states of the Federation; and
• Attorney-General of the Federation.

Duties
The council has the following responsibilities:
1. Advise the President in the exercise of his powers with respect to the:-
• National population census and compilation, publication and keeping of records and other information concerning the same;
• Prerogative of mercy;
• Award of national honours;
• The Independent National Electoral Commission (including the appointment of members of that Commission);
• The National Judicial Council (including the appointment of the members, other than ex-officio members of that Council);
• The National Population Commission (including the appointment of members of that Commission); and
2. Advise the President whenever requested to do so on the maintenance of public order within the Federation or any part thereof and on such other matters as the President may direct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_State_(Nigeria)

Beaf:
. . .We are mere passengers in our stolen country.

Oloko Nla:
I find it somewhat strange that ex-presidents are allowed to sit in council of state meetings in Nigeria. I know proponents of it may rest their points in the fact that there is wisdom in people who have ruled before but isn't this same logic detrimental to the wheels of change churning faster in Nigeria?

for example, imagine if JFK were alive and sitting in Obama's council of state meeting, what value would he bring in terms of perspective and grasping the complexities of the present versus the times and challenges JFK found himself?

In today's thisdayonline(http://thisdayonline.com/) we have Shagari, Obj, Buhari, Sonekan and Gowon all present @ Council of state meetings, how can we ever get fresh ideas into Aso rock with such a sitting of stale old people influencing decisions in Nigeria?

We need to expunge the damn thing, it's a clear impediment.

This is good, but we can do better. We are now number 5 behind Ivory Coast, Ghana, Indonesia and Cameroon. It will take some massive work for us to increase production.

Most of our experienced farmers a getting very old and their kids are not interested in the Cocoa Business. I saw a report on this the other day on NTA, it's very bad. I wonder if we can bring back the old Western Region Cocoa Board. It made many in our Grandfather's generation relatively wealthy.

Also, our farms are maintaining old tired trees on small-holder plantations, We might need to consolidate and help get these farmers access to better  techniques and improved finance. We can definitely do better, we have the population, the land and the right weather for some of the most sought after cocoa varieties. We should strive to out produce Ivory Coast, it will be tough though.

Even Anthony Ward is interested if we can get things right. His Hedge fund actually hoarded the largest single haul of cocoa in 14 years just last year!

But like ekt_bear said, We will not own this market or profit enough from it until we control more than just raw material export. We need to own the processing then the finished product market.

Akingbola said by phone today from Akure in western Nigeria.
“We expect to raise earnings from cocoa to 40 percent of non-oil revenue this year,” said Akingbola, whose company inspects all Nigerian non-oil products at ports before export.

I'm wondering why Cobalt Services is the sole export inspection service company authorized to inspect in Nigeria, is this sufficient for a country like Nigeria where we need to improve export to earn more revenue? don't know too much about that, just asking.

OAM4J:
True that! You might also want to take up the project also; will be good for Ekiti.

ekt_bear, let me know o, I want to do Business too.

OAM4J:
Good! But I still think the States should put more more emphasis on increasing their IGR. They cannot continue to depend on Federal allocation forever.

True. But the FG need to hands-off oil receipts, states should tax and generate revenue from the businesss in their state, including oil companies. FG can argue for a tax on income too but it will be minimal

EX: As a Governor, how do you expect me to stop looking to Abuja when Abuja appropriated all my natural resource, my roads, rail, seaport, import-export processes, a lot of my cash cows, power generation and distribution e.t.c.  I want to be creative but with the FG practically putting a yoke on my neck with chains attached, it will be difficult.

All taxes should go to the state of source first, then we will send an agreed-to percentage to the FG. Also the FG must sell most of these companies they control, from steel to petrochemical to power generation. Let private concerns manage then while we tax their profits so they can attract investments and jobs to our states.

Even the RMAFC was appointed by the FG so who will they favour?

The all powerful FG is the issue.

AjanleKoko:
Their customer service is beyond terrible,

they cancel or delay flights with amazing regularity,

One time they flew people from Owerri to Lagos with no AC in the plane.

JeSoul:
I've lost track of how many anti-arik, incredibly negative review threads have been opened in this section. Poster, enjoy to your hearts content:

http://www.google.com.ng/cse?cx=partner-pub-6465801557104924%3Abko28ysgdng&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Arik+airlines&siteurl=www.nairaland.com%2Fnigeria%2Ftopic-678785.0.html

mbulela:
i guess the threads will continue unless they pull up their socks.

Don't ever try it again o!

[quote author=noble_gas1 link=topic=678785.msg8431015#msg8431015 date=1306904352]Seconded!!![/quote]

nanidee:
thirded,

The Unanimity here is hilarious and sad at the same time

and to think they are still in business?? SMH

^^ My brother it is beyond shocking. The amount we spend to maintain these tin gods.

dayokanu:
Someone who blatantly called Osama a hero

And he stuck to his guns too, with pictures, research work and articles to prove his case

SEFAGO:
Its correct though that a lot of people forge documents and end up becoming excellent individuals in the future.

Fake it till you make it

Actually, that is Fstranger for you, always bringing perspectives

CPC is sensible, why won't they recognize a good effort. Now we will wait to test the law.

If GEJ governs well, he will be appreciated, if he does not, he will be condemned. That is the kind of opposition our Country needs.

No more blind follow follow politics.

step1:
@Kilode

You points are well taken but you need to ask yourself Where did bankole and bode get the money they stole from ? because they do not get contracts.

I don't know where they got the money from, but I know Bode George went to Jail for "attempted" embezzlement.

. . .and I know it's pretty easy to register proxy companies to take government contracts for you and make Billions with no clear evidence.

step1:
I am glad you brought that up. I can only confidentially discuss of the Lagos PDP chapter. Egbon mi PDP in Lagos have not been given the chance to show themselves. Lets be fair here my brother, the FG under PDP was controlled by OBJ who was an ex-general and the son of other northern elite.

Lets wait and see what Jonathan would do before we write off PDP. Even PDP Lagos chapter do not support OBJ so I don't see how OBJ would have made PDP any more popular when in government.

My brother no-one can fault our people for not trusting OBJ's PDP. We can't trust our abusers. We never voted for OBJ anyway, even when the Presidency was zoned to him and the SW we voted Olu Falae and AD.

Jonathan will need to walk the talk , there is no trust before action here anymore, we judge you by your work, and his work in Bayelsa was nothing to write home about, he has another 4 years to fix that now.

You perform, we trust. Shikena, no more blind followership.

PDP in Lagos have not been given the chance to show themselves

They need to present candidates who can inspire the people to vote for them via their actions and prior records.

EX: If you are from Lagos and your PDP party made you Minister for Works or Chairman of Nigerian Ports Authority e.g Bode George, then do the work and show you can perform. Then the people of Lagos will trust you with their vote.

Who is going to Trust Tony Anenih(PDP, Edo) or Bode George (PDP Lagos) with Public funds

No more voting for criminals because they have Federal support, we have enough talent to choose from.

I'll rather vote Fola Adeola for Lagos 2015 than any famous FG/PDP supported nonentity.