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New Tribune = Beer parlour Newspaper. Paper awon Omuti alai ni nkan se gbogbo. Very embarrassing piece of Akara wrapper. Papa Awo will probably slap the whole editorial staff back to their fathers Abule if he was alive. Nonsense and ingredients ![]() |
Responding, Governor Fashola emphasised the need for each state of the federation to develop strategies on building the nation, stressing that, "Nigeria will not develop or prosper by what is done in the Federal Capital Territory alone".That is the man. It appears Fashola has turned Alausa into the Mecca of smart governance? He's walking the talk too. I hope he's charging them for the free advice. They better start cloning him? |
pleep:Try this bro. Thank Isale_gan2 for the info. I only copied it. Welcome to the discussion. syntax for embedding videos? |
^^Maybe we should just move all Africa centered news here then ![]() You are right bro, it is pretty terrible we worship everything else but our own homegrown religious ideas and philosophies, very sad really. "They [Arabs] discourage you that your religion is not good, tell you to just be a Muslim. They can give you money to change your name to a Muslim one. Anything about your culture, they can destroy it," says Kuku Idriss, a Nuba youth leader.We have to ask ourselves why these people want to impose their own cultural and religious ideas sooooo much: The Answer: Power and Control They will always have the advantage as long as they can force you to act in ways they can understand, they seize the initiative, they control the message, they own the culture and you as an outsider will always come behind. It's all about power. You are like a sports team that is constantly playing an away game, everyday, every year, every time. Arabs, Muslisms, Christians and other cultural oppressors are not fools, they are fighting and playing to their own advantage. |
Can't they just let these people be? is it by force to worship your god and speak your language? SMH BTW, I think this is in the wrong section, Sorry moderators, please fix. |
[size=16pt]Sudan: Could Nuba mountains be next conflict?[/size] By James Copnall BBC News, Kauda https://joeylakey.com/b/wp-content/plugins/rss-poster/cache/f87b5__52643247_kauda_afp.jpg https://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/52643000/jpg/_52643240_011903937-1.jpg Cattle play a key roles in the lives of many Sudanese - from north and south Slideshow: Cattle country Seemingly tranquil village of Kauda in central Sudan's beautiful Nuba mountains poses one of the greatest challenges to Khartoum. South Sudan will become independent in July, following a long civil war. But that does not mean the country left behind is united. The people of the Nuba mountains, in the north, are on a collision course with President Omar al-Bashir and his party. The Nuba are a collection of language groups that are sometimes described as more a political or geographical entity than a homogenous ethnic group. They follow Islam, Christianity, or traditional religions - but crucially, most see themselves as very different from the Arab elites in Khartoum. "Despite all the talk about my Arabism, my religion, my culture, I am a Nuba, I am black, I am an African," is how the late Nuba war hero Youssif Kawa Makki put it. Many Nuba rejected what they saw as attempts to Islamise and Arabise them. "They [Arabs] discourage you that your religion is not good, tell you to just be a Muslim. They can give you money to change your name to a Muslim one. Anything about your culture, they can destroy it," says Kuku Idriss, a Nuba youth leader. [size=14pt]'Genocide'[/size] During the second north-south civil war, many Nuba fought on the side of the southern Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA) rebels, now set to form the new country's government. The SPLA is often seen as a southern movement, but its stated aim was to reform the whole country, creating a new Sudan, a secular state where diversity was respected. This resonated very strongly with many Nuba. The fighting in the Nuba mountains was particularly fierce. In 1992, a jihad or holy war was declared, allowing northern troops and Arab militias to kill even those Nuba who were Muslim. Human rights organisation Africa Watch likened the attacks on the Nuba to genocide. A ceasefire was signed in 2002, but it is no surprise that feelings against President Bashir still run high. [size=14pt]Beer drinkers[/size] In Kauda, at least, people have every chance to express their anger. The village is essentially under the control of the SPLM, the political wing of the SPLA. "In fact, all the counties round here are controlled by the SPLM," says the party's local chairman, Younan Ajour. Life here is very different to most of northern Sudan. Local alcohol, like the heady beer marissa, is openly sold, in defiance of the Sharia, or Islamic law, officially imposed in the north. Women brew it in their homes, then bring it to a line of rough shacks and pour it into calabashes for thirsty customers. "We don't appreciate Sharia, and don't want it to reach us here," says one drinker, Angelo, an SPLA soldier. "We have our independence and we hope in the future to be independent," he adds. The alcohol is not the only difference. Students in Kauda are taught in English, not Arabic, and sit exams from Kenya or Uganda. A young teacher, Yassir, says he has 94 students in his class. He brushes aside the suggestion the separate curriculum and language of education could leave the pupils out of step with the rest of the north. "We are planning to have our own universities, which will be operated in English," he says. [size=14pt]Peace, not war[/size] The Nuba people want to preserve their own identity In a well-publicised recent speech, President Bashir said once South Sudan secedes, there would be no place for ethnic or cultural diversity in the north, and Islam would be the sole source of law. This has got many Nuba worried. "We don't want a war, we need peace," says Mahmoud Badawi, who has set up Kauda's only hotel. But that does not mean simply giving in. Tens of thousands of Nuba soldiers are in the SPLA in the south, and will almost certainly return to their homeland after southern separation - possibly with their weapons. Officials and ordinary people say there is no way they will give back Kauda or any of the other "liberated territories". "We know our people are very strong, they are very patient, but we don't forget our grievances," says politician and historian El Nour Burtail. "Our nature as you can see is mountainous, and when we move, we are strong like mountains." [size=14pt]War crimes[/size] The Nuba mountains are at the heart of Southern Kordofan state, which borders South Sudan. Stability here is crucial not just for the north, but for the south. Southern Kordofan is also next to Darfur, where a separate civil war, albeit one based on Khartoum's neglect of the periphery, rumbles on. Southern Kordofan's governor, Ahmed Haroun, is wanted by the International Criminal Court for war crimes and crimes against humanity allegedly committed when he was in Darfur, adding to Nuba unease. The tensions have infected the whole state, with SPLA soldiers and forces loyal to President Bashir's National Congress Party everywhere. This month's elections are meant to lead to popular consultations on the region's future - but to the dismay of many in the Nuba mountains, this does not include the option of independence. The election results themselves could also spark off real problems. The Nubas' determination to be different has been a problem for Khartoum for years, and that is almost certain to continue. It is not hard to find people offering dire warnings - like Najwa Musa, the head of the Nuba Relief, Rehabilitation and Development Organisation. "If they will continue to impose the Sharia law, the Islamic religion and the Arabic language on the people, you will see a new Darfur coming up." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13351773 |
buzugee:I'm good bro, but I'll need you to share your source of inspiration, don't be selfish soldier ![]() |
I knew this was from the legendary Buzugee as soon as I saw it. ![]() |
Come to think of it, if truely Aganga is not from Lagos and he has served as a minister using the slot of Lagos, it means Yorubas are the most accomodatind people in Africa. It cannot happen in delta, if the name of a ministerial nominy is percieved to be from another state, it is capable of causing unrest.Maybe they are. ![]() |
^^ yea, it's pretty long. The word "summary" was a "bait" lol, glad you are reading it. In this case, you won't point all your hands completely at corrupt irish leaders but also recognize an opressive british power as well.That is it. |
[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=689028.msg8519371#msg8519371 date=1308083317]so what's up with you? how bodi, my brother that is the gospel truth right there. that post is definitely right on point I heard it too that while ethiopia was suffering it's famine in the 90s, the country was a net exporter of food!! The same damn thing happened in Ireland prior to and during the infamous Potato famine which led to the death and migration of millions of Irish people in the mid 1700s. Ireland was a net exporter to Britain -a controlling manipulative more powerful nation, while Irish people were dying in droves. (See the quote below) There is nothing new about this at all. Like I alluded to earlier on the thread, history is very cyclical, that is why we need good leadership. It is fun and cool to put the blame on Africans or scream at white folks, but the truth lies somewhere in-between, We have a terrible leadership class filled with folks who see themselves as inferior and see little value in the lives and needs of people who are like them. It is internalized self-hate masquerading as narcissism, if you ask me It's inferiority complex 101, our leaders (who are the same as most of us) don't have an obsession with promoting the needs of their people over those of other competitors possibly because they feel inferior already. So, we will continue to suffer until we sieze the initiative. Resources are scare, they are not finite, But it seems we have leaders who don't get that. Cecil Woodham-Smith, an authority on the Irish Famine, wrote in The Great Hunger; Ireland 1845–1849 that no issue has provoked so much anger and embittered relations between England and Ireland as "the indisputable fact that huge quantities of food were exported from Ireland to England throughout the period when the people of Ireland were dying of starvation." Ireland remained a net exporter of food throughout most of the five-year famineYou can read a summary of it on Wikipedia, or check the library for literature on the Irish Potato famine, the similarities are starkling. |
^^ Violent is in sarcasm mode bro. ![]() |
Damn! not this Guy, Damn!! RIP ![]() |
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=689750.msg8518657#msg8518657 date=1308075775]British and French are both tremendous jackasses. Hopefully 1000 years from now, my descendants will be able to screw them over like they screwed with my ancestors. I just pray that God will one day deliver them into my hands (well, that of my children.)[/quote]Well said bro. If we can get leaders who are willing to think beyond the next 5-100 years and make what Bill Clinton referred to as the supremacy of "future perspectives" (check Carroll Quigley )an obssession of their public policy thrusts, then we will get there. That is why I'm near fanatical about choosing the right kind of leaders or restructuring the whole damn Nation back to square one. We do not have the luxury or time to manage mumu's and their mumu system. But as long as we continue to celebrate idi/ots and sweet talking brigands with their poor grasp of history and world politics, especially those who can't calculate beyond the next loot, then we will surely continue to occupy the lowest rung of the human food chain. Because. . .after Europeans are done eating our Lunch, Asians will continue by eating us for dinner. I don't want that for my children at all. [size=5pt]I promise not to derail this thread again[/size] |
[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=689028.msg8518630#msg8518630 date=1308075528]which one is Gatwick Airport? how many foreign airports did we buy? If you look at the title of the post you will see that the first line is "Africa is Mumu Inc" to me that is the most important line in relation to this topic. basically the argument is that we are allowing western countries to exploit us. and not rising up to resist it. why? why aren't we resisting the land grabbing? why are we letting history repeat itself?[/quote]@Jenifa_ Well done. |
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=689750.msg8518561#msg8518561 date=1308074573]@Kilode?!: Very interesting. Going to find more on Jstor.[/quote]Please do. Also check page 72 of this book The diplomacy of partition: Britain, France, and the creation of Nigeria By Claire Hirshfield especially the 3rd paragraph, it mentioned how the local Borgu-Nikki ruler was scammed/419ed by Lugard and his French ilk Decouer. Old man did not know the difference between the French and The British when he signed the document, He thought they were from the same white Nation/Kingdom. He didn't even fully understand what it was all about. Colonial Yahoo-Yahoo boys ![]() |
33 years: 1978 - 2011 China's GDP jumped from $147.3bn (£94.55bn) in 1978 to about $5.0Trillion The number of poor people in China dropped from 250 million in 1978 to 14.8 million in 2007 33 years is too long to stagnate ![]() |
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=689750.msg8517965#msg8517965 date=1308069008]OT: The Borgu Kingdom has a website, it seems: http://www.borgukingdomng.com/faqs.html Always interesting to learn about the the neighbors of Yorubaland [/quote]"Borgu was partitioned into British Borgu (in Nigeria) and French Borgu (in Benin Republic)"Lord lugard and his ilk were just bad assess, Sango fire their grave! Off Topic: BTW, check this link bro: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~rossjones12/pdfs/Borgu%20ethnic%20groups.PDF I'm particularly curious about page 4 and the stuff they wrote about the Fulbe(Fula), interesting indeed. Considering how much "power" they seem to wield in Nigeria, it ties in with the argument I often read about their relatively more modest influence in other parts of West Africa. Sorry about the digression folks. carry on |
@Violent. Exactly, those points you raised are the reasons why I'm worried and I suspect same for several people here. If we don't fix those things we are not benefitting Zilch from these land deals. |
violent:It's ok bro. At the end of the day we are all arguing for the same thing. A better deal and better Standards of living for our people. That is the goal really. Now, for me, just as I concluded earlier on the thread, I'm more worried about our lack of coherent policies backed by well crafted systems. The system is the key. We have an archaic land use act in Nigeria. We need to fix these things and make sure that the onwnership of land and resources are well defined. EX: if Mr. Chinaman approaches the Benue State Governor to seal a land deal that will displace the people of Oturkpo from their subsistence farm lands for 100 years while paying them peanuts to work the land. 1. Mr corrupt Governor can claim he provided jobs through farming. 2. He brought in foreign investment. 3. He can get the land back if Mr. Chinaman messes up But 1. Are we sure that the job will provide any increase in standard of living? ( think about fishing before Crude Oil in Niger delta, are they living better now?) 2. Can Mr. Chinaman/investor invest in technology and skill transfer if he already bribed Mr. Governor to seal the deal and still bribes him to sustain it? (remember the oil industry) 3. Can Mr. Chinaman be trusted to walk away quietly from a forceful seizure of land or can you trust him not to manipulate our unstrusctured corruption prone system to keep himself and his investments secure( think Shell, Chevron, remember the spies in our Oil Ministry according to wikileaks?) 4. Can a China or USA with their massive world geo-political influence be trusted to pursue altruistic endeavors when they can easily manipulate a corrupt weak system? 5. Can you trust these leaders to protect the interest of our people? No sensible land ownership system, an oppressive land act which gave ownership to a corrupt Government and pressure from Shylock investors is a recipe for more suffering. We've been down this road before several times The issue is not about fear mongering or an aversion towards investment. In a sane society with well crafted systems we can leverage these interests and benefit immensely from it, but I see no system in place and I see little pressure on our leaders to get one running. That is why I'm worried. Resources are scarce and our competitors are not dumb Mother Theresas. If I'm China, Korea or USA I will do exactly what they are doing. It is not my fault that other folks are silly. So we need to work on fixing the stuffs above plus other issues, else we'll keep getting ra/pe/d royally. It is what it is. |
violent:I will be glad to hear that you know more about this issue than Lester Brown. Google him bro. |
violent:There is nothing wrong with your analysis, except you are implying that the presence of one factor negates the other. Because investors are trying to acquire land and food resources so they can make money does not imply that they CANNOT or are not doing it for National food Security reasons too. Don't be quick to offer dismissals when your own analysis is supported largely by your own opinion. My post is supported by the articles presented which includes the analysis of experts in the field. I specifically emphasized the interests of those Arab and South East Asians and not necessarily America so as to stress the issue of Food Security, scarcity population growth and drought as a central reason. It does not mean that profit and monetary gain is not a factor, there is no need for an absolute EITHER/OR analysis. Read the links already provided and read this one too: http://m.npr.org/news/Politics/136394365 Those are experts speaking not conspiracy theorists. I doubt you know more about the issue than those folks. So in summary, I'm not saying your idea is WRONG, I carefully worded my point, by starting with "while these companies want to make money" Try to read more closely and be more patient before you reply, that's all I'm saying. These are serious issues, because you are right does not mean I'm wrong. |
Fayemi is proving that his head is screwed on right. It's all about the people. Unlike some other "Kill and Go" thuggish Governors who are experts at oppressing the opposition while their people wallow in abject poverty. Omo Akin, Well done jare! |
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=689028.msg8511859#msg8511859 date=1307984274]I'm not necessarily super concerned about selling of land. If you are able to sell it for a good price, then why not. But if you are like the: 1) Native Americans, who supposedly sold Manhattan to the white folk for the equivalent of $24 2) The French, who sold off the land from the Louisiana Purchase for $15 million at that time 3) Russians, who sold off Alaska for about $7 million (at that time) then wahala dey ![]() So if you don't think you are good at estimating the value of your land (which seems to be the major issue here), then imo do short term leases.[/quote]Exactly, That is the point a lot of people are making. Not just short-term leases, but turn them into dependent costumers (abi na consumers). The worry being expressed by some of us despite the fact that we need and desire investment is very genuine and well rooted in recent history. If we have Visionary leaders, fewer people will worry about how this arrangement will pan out. But in an unstructured, poorly regulated system, It is very sensible to worry about these things and ask questions. |
Katsumoto:The similarities are quite strong. I also think an Owo/Ikale/Akoko(Ondo state) or Owan/Ovia(Edo State) link is plausible. I was also curious because I know some Deltans (Non-Itshekiris) with pure Yoruba names and Ikale sounding dialects and I often wonder about how their language and name managed to survive the Edo influence so far away from "Yorubaland" areas. Anyway, thanks. The wandering continues. Post more info if you have, I need more reasons to annex some small small people when I finally launch my conquest. ![]() Ishan is to East of Benin City, just after Uhunmwode.Right. I was looking at it from the perspective of road travel through Owan to Esan. Yes you are right, it is slightly North-East of Benin geographically. |
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=689028.msg8511291#msg8511291 date=1307979255]I've listened to a few talks from companies that invest in agric in Africa, and their ROI is usually around 25-30%. Good, but not rockstar (by African standards, at least.) Think about it a bit. . . if agric was so profitable (relative to other opportunities available), then Nigerians and Africans would be doing it in large #s. If you are some pension fund in say the US, 25 or 30% ROI is amazing.[/quote]While these companies want to make money, I think the central issue is more of a National Food security thing than just looking for new places to make more big money. I think they are seeking new places to gain control over food and water resources. From what I've read and heard, Several countries are worried about a possible food scarcity in the near future due to massive world population growth and increasing number of "hungry" middle class income earners with extra cash to spend, especially in countries with diminishing access to arable lands in Asia and the Middle east. So, I see this as an opportunity for us to learn from the past and make sure we gain from their speculation and fear. There's nothing wrong with their investments, we should welcome it, But we need to be smart about it. Land ownership and the production of both raw and finished goods must be in our favour, else we repeat 1818 (Scramble for Africa) again, albeit in a more subtle way. We need to welcome these people's money/investments and still find a way to make them dependent consumers and not outright owners. That is where the challenge and hard work would be for us and our leaders. Unfortunately we don't have a coherent land use or land ownership policy in Nigeria. Even our Green revolution/Agric policy is not revolutionary in anyway. It's also not export oriented at all. BTW, When Americans (Hillary Clinton) start warning Africans about Asians and Arabs, especially when their own Hedge funds and Universities are doing the same thing(buying up land resources)? That should tell us we have no friends in this situation. they are simply competing ![]() We better start playing both sides to suit our own purposes. Only if we have visionary leaders ![]() |
@Katsumoto, have you read this personal account regarding the Olukumi people of Ugbodu by Banji Aluko, (I know he's not an expert) I'll like to know your thoughts, especially concerning the story in the bolded parts. Now, I'm not surprised about the Lukumi Language story, I've heard several folks speak variants of these Yoruba-like languages especially those from old Yoruba-Bendel border communities. What I'm particularly interested in is the oral tale in bold. Do you think it might be related in some way to the Ogiso-Ekaladerhan-Oduduwa story? especially this part; "Ogiso gave birth to the heir apparent to the throne. After the woman gave birth to the child, a male, the nobles consulted the oracle and said that the oracle told them that the child should be killed for peace to reign in Benin Kingdom. At the end, the child was not killed as it was said that the child was too handsome to be killedso a fowl was killed in his place.” According to Ochei, this was the reason the Ugbodu people left Benin. “They felt that if a crown prince could be ordered for execution just like that, they could do worse things to strangers in their midst. As a result, they left Benin and came to Ewohimi, an Ishan speaking community in Edo State. Due to intra-tribal wars, they later left the place to settle down here in Ugbodu which is a shortened form of Ugbodumila, which means bush saved me in English Language Maybe Ekaladerhan went East to Ugbodu and not West to Ile-Ife, but Ishan is to the West of Benin, I think, so maybe they went west first. Anyway, your thoughs? ![]() A Yoruba enclave in the heart of |
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^^^ Ok, So the Nerds won it then. Im'ma need all those barbies to drop the drama and up their game, NERDs are taking over the world. |
[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=590933.msg8507892#msg8507892 date=1307932711]Igbo Olodumare, by D.O. Fagunwa. So, I'm reading this book. As I said, I previously read it when I was a pre-teen; don't remember much but a couple of weird characters in it. I need to discuss it when I'm finished[/quote]. . . Looking forward to your discussions. mukina2:Really? Ok I guess OAM4J was wrong about you then, he said you eat Nairalanders for dinner. ![]() |
^^ haha, "she" is a good choice. |
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