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dayokanu:
I have to get drunk real bad tonight. Talk to you guys later

No let those DPD boys catch you o. I heard they are "harsh"

Congrats Maaaaavvvvvsssss!!

Yea funny too.

Wizardofoz:
.    .    .    not S[b]h[/b]ahkulah?

LOL, comot dia, ara Os[b]c[/b]un Os[b]c[/b]ogbo

paris10:
Just of recent Creflo Dollar was interviewed about a comment he made regarding tithe. Creflo said he would love to see those non-tithe payers get shot !

I had to go look for it 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3BWAmlXis[/flash]


Na Irunmole go save una from all these Oluso Aguntan's (Pasitors) 

@Kobo, As per the Topic, I already summarized my opinion on page one, I don't see how that is "crying", or too much "rhetoric" feeding the "Xenophobic sides of many on here" (whatever that means). But Maybe you know more about people on here than I do.

My initial comment:

The way things are going, Land and water resources are about to become the new Oil. See the article/interview below:

As long as we can protect our people's interest we will be ok. If we don't, we are in trouble. I believe Fayemi has his head screwed on right though.

Kobojunkie:
^^^ No thanks, I don't care for the stories. I am more interested in honest facts being presented

But you told me about your grandfather now, so I had to tell you about mine, I didn't want to be selfish.

Kobo, I'm glad to hear about your Grandfather, he's was very much like mine. Mine was a Cocoa farmer, he was not a Nobel Prize winner, but I heard he judged issues with great wisdom. He was not uneducated within the context of the society he lived in. He was not ignorant about his culture and the methods necessary to provide for his family within his village, he had tools to help him survive the world he found himself in at his time. He lived great and aged gracefully.

One day maybe I'll tell you more about his other great exploits, Okunrin meta fun ra ara e!

Kobojunkie:
Notice how the above DOES NOT REMOVE from the fact that your so-called land-grab is NOT UNIQUE to Nigeria. Most all countries out there sell/lease land/properties to people/investors of other nationalities on a regularly basis. So I still see no reason for the "article" in this.

Did I kilode?! Mention that land grab is UNIQUE to Nigeria? I don't get your point are you saying we should sell lands blindly because as you said "Most countries do it"

So no need to worry or point to articles or be cautious, because "most countries sell lands now" Is that your argument?
Did you read Katsumoto's economist article, did you read the one I posted? You think the caution raised is unnecessary? Really?

Are you saying you see no reason for caution and a careful assessment of the geo-politics of land and food issues?  Knowing fully well how inconsiderate Nigerian politicians can be

@kobo I'm not sure you get my argument about half-knowledge, arrogance and all that and how it relates to our society, unfortunately, I don't have the time to commit today. So maybe we'll continue later.

BTW, I'm sorry, My forefathers were not uneducated, ignorant and unexposed to the knowledge needed to run their own society.

^^^I highlighted the land grab issue to point to the need for caution, not because of any fear mongering, and if you read my comment on page one below the article, you will see my conclusion about the need to proceed with caution and reference to my belief that the new Ekiti Governor has a good head on his shoulder and should therefore strike a good deal.

Americans have their own foreign investors to worry about, not my problem really if they sell their country to China.

But at the same time, if you follow US issues very well I'm sure you are aware of how America blocked the sale of about 5 or six US Ports to DP World, a well regarded, very efficient ports management company owned by Dubai. They gave national security reasons, many US business leaders argued in support of the deal including the president and many argued against it. Obviously America lost a great deal because some people believe they need to protect America from outside control, same reason some of the folks here are giving.

Now, you can ask what is the alternative for us? And I'll say as long as the Ekiti State Leaders can strike a good deal that will benefit the people then no problem, or better still develop the land themselves, but will they? Can they strike a good deal, will they put the land to good use by themselves? I really don't know for sure, all I can do is to point out the dangers since they already highlighted the benefits.

Concerning your wonderings about what I will say if they were Nigerian investors, I've urged caution about selling stuff to Dangote and co, and sometimes I support it, it all depends on the information I have and the circumstances surrounding an issue. My position is not rigid. Though i'm very selfish on behalf of my own people.

@Kobo, common sense requires good judgement and that is not a common easy thing to acquire.

It comes from a deep understanding of the world around you and how is affects you (or whatever it is you want to do) beyond the surface stuff that any idi/ot with two eyes can see.

Common sense is backed by something deeper than mere Information. What you "know and see to be true"  as you said, is not so apparent to many folks.

Human beings are generally rational, but we need understanding to feed our rationality. Again, acquiring information is NOT the same as having understanding. A child plays with fire not because she's irrational but more because she lacks a combo of knowledge and experience to understand the danger. Once she get's burnt, rationality forces her to avoid it next time.

You might ask, well shebi Nigerians have seen the effects of bad leadership, why not choose right? But in reality have they? Do they see it? Do they know better? Are they really burnt? Do they understand it's bad? Can they compare it to anything else? Do they see the big picture, is it really hurting them?

They won't vote for Abacha, or IBB obviously, but they are not sure how that connects with the usurpers they currently vote in. Some see the nuances, most don't get it. So the lesson is still not learnt, the pain of Abacha and IBB is not connected to the leaders they still choose. Maybe you and I can connect it, but a lot of folks can't.

I understand your frustration though. A lot of my people are arrogantly ignorant, but I'm hopeful. I don't know enough myself but acquiring knowledge is a continuos process, I believe. Arrogance borne out of half-knowledge cuts life from that process.


Back to topic: I just want us to exercise caution, if we have good leaders with proven track records of protecting the interests of their people over immediate gain, most people here won't be skeptical. As a matter of fact, Africa would not need Koreans to acquire lands. We will just take advantage of the looming food scarcity and force them to depend on us and our Arable land for survival. But alas.

@Isale, I said ALL three not ANY three, that your combo choice list can cause heart attack, even DK and OAM4Anything can't cope with all of you together.



BTW. I see the Saro lady has joined the coven, your secrets are no longer safe. Time to enter CIA mode

RaggINEC, thanks for amending the rules to accommodate us jare.

See hateration lol, they forgot I'm lucky like Ebele

I guess it's time to update the list. 

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=670551.msg8349524#msg8349524 date=1305764698]Adaka Boro killed,

Saro Wiwa killed

Soldiers dashing Soldiers Oil blocks

Odi bombed

Amnesty granted

Soboma Killed

John Togo Killed

Ebi Albert Killed


Military men involved in Oil bunkering -wikileaks

One day, we go hear the full gist of what is going on in those Niger Delta creeks. 


https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-503028.64.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-277451.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-506848.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-644433.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-64470.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-688458.0.html#msg8503327[/quote]

^. . . because we don't know enough? no real depth to the knowledge.

Like St Augustine said, Half-knowledge is more dangerous than total ignorance(my paraphrase)

If makes you arrogant, unyielding and difficult, because you are too ignorant to realize that you don't know enough. So you learn nothing.

As expected, @Cheikh brought it home! Well said bro. Especially the phrase "Education is a weapon of war"

You discard your cultural advantage and you become a wanderer in the wilderness of earthly competition. Yes we can learn from others, but our competitors are not dumb. You lose your leverage (culture, language, society) and you become a follower never a leader.

Your "smart" becomes a disadvantage and a burden if you don't pivot it on your cultural advantage and home grown organic philosophies.

China saw it, and they continue to seize it!! I'm hoping the country with the largest concentration of Black folks on earth will see it soon. Or maybe a section of it will.

Keep preaching the message bro.

^^Not really about fear of death. No country has a monopoly on bravery. I believe it's because we've not suffered enough.

We have oil, and while it does not affect the lives of many people, it still trickles down somehow to sustain an ignorant middle class. It also creates massive wealth for a few. People see that and hope they will get there too. Everybody preaches that in Nigeria. I see Nigeria as a weird kind of "welfarist-capitalist country" sustained by public corruption and oil money.

But more importantly, we have a massive poor class which survives mainly on informal subsistence farming and locally grown food. Most of our staples are locally grown and widely available and unaffected by fluctuations in world food commodity prices. Cassava(garri, eba) Yam(elubo and co) and cheap meat from the North, Niger, Chad and Sudan.

We will need to get to a stage where the available sources of staples can no longer sustain our population and people's daily needs, then we get scarcity and a very hungry and angry people. Hungry people are very brave.

It can happen faster if oil price crashes(think alternative sources of energy) and we are no longer able to sustain our underpaid largely unproductive middle class or outbid other countries for the other stuffs we import.

Hungry people are generally not scared to risk it all.

^^Right. If you were alive and aware during the Abacha era, you won't find all the stories he told too strange. The same actors are still alive. Gusau is still as powerful as ever, Omenka is still at large probably in Brazil and reading Nairaland with a margarita and a chuckle. Plus, no government since 1999 wants to release or even end the "trial" of Al Mustapha and Jail him for something specific.

So yeah, they are not alone and I don't think we will get Justice for Nigerians both dead or Alive very soon. Unless we get a popular uprising that will dislodge the old order and their proxy "new era" political-billionaires. 

And to think some folks want us to continue with these people in the Council of State. Una never ready to be free.

Is Aliyu Muhammed/ Muhammed Gusau not the perennial National Security Adviser that was earlier suggested to GEJ?

Anyway, True or Not true. I'm convinced Dele Giwa did not murder himself and IBB and OBJ are not enemies. They all became stupendously rich on "army and civil service" salaries. That is enough to worry us.

Awolowo's Family is not the same thing as Obafemi Awolowo.

That said, Tinubu is not a God neither was Awolowo. We need to stop focusing on mere individuals, ordinary mortals and their psychotic sense of self-importance sef

If Omatseye is going to apologize for his article, that is his problem. I hope The Tribune titles will apologize for the joke they've become over the years.

Oluwole Awolowo has failed miserably at his job as a publisher. We can respect HID and extol her virtue as a mother, but we owe Oluwole nothing but condemnation for the mess he has turned the Tribune into by constantly assaulting our senses with a stupid newspaper filled with sycophantic reports that neither elevated nor edify the Truth on behalf of the people.

A Tribune serving the needs of a Central government bent on oppressing the same folks Awolowo fought to uplift is the ultimate betrayal of Awo's legacy.

They should all stop dragging our people into their silly fights, we need performers not tin gods and self-appointed political Dynasties(more like jobbers) with no developmental achievements to speak of.

I don't care about Tinubu and I don't give a damn about Awolowo's off springs, let our leaders get to work and fix the region. That's all that matters.

GDP per capita is still the lowest among OPEC countries at below 2k, education is still abysmally poor, and poverty and unemployment are still as high as Idanre Hills.

Oga Katsumoto no blame me o, I want to enjoy like my Grandather.

Raggie must post pictures for verification.

Why this vicious war against Polygamy? Why?

Must we choose one? Why not all?

What is Nerdy, Tomboy and Berbie? They all sound Oyinbo to me o, so I no fit choose

But if anyone of them has correct Yoruba Boi property, i'll pick ASAP

So Raggie, can you post pictures?

[size=5pt]I think smart ladies with correct well carved "nkan n mbe" are the best sha. So maybe nerdy, "smart and uninterested" makes the "hunt" more fun [/size]

I'm still protesting for my right to varieties, I refuse to be monogamously caged  

A coach is trying to enforce discipline and promote good team spirit for once and we can't appreciate and encourage him? SMH

If he likes let him remain obstinate, can Osaze play all positions at the same time? He should apologize to his teammates and his coach or stay out. Talent full Ajegunle.

^^^^

The way things are going, Land and water resources are about to become the new Oil. See the article/interview below:

Published: May 18, 2011
Food prices are rising, but the impact is not being felt equally around the world, says environmentalist Lester Brown.

Brown, the founder and president of the Earth Policy Institute, argues that food has quickly become the hidden driver of world politics in a piece published in the May/June issue of Foreign Policy.

"If you're in Pakistan, and you go to the local market to buy wheat to hand-grind into flour to make chapati, and the price of wheat doubles, the price of your chapati basically doubles," he tells Fresh Air's Terry Gross. "They're not insulated from the doubling or tripling of world grain prices the way that we [in the United States] are. ,  And this is one of the factors feeding the unrest in the Arab world, North Africa and the Middle East."

Brown says the world's rapidly expanding population has created elevated demand for grain, milk, cheese and eggs, but changes in climate and irrigation have made it increasingly difficult to increase production accordingly. Increased demand has also stripped the world of much of its excess crop surpluses. For example, Brown says, in 1965, when the Indian monsoon failed, the United States sent a fifth of its total wheat crop to India to avoid famine.

"We couldn't do that today because we don't have that sort of slack in the system," he says. "The problem is not that we're producing less grain — we're producing more grain — but we're not increasing production fast enough to keep up with the growth in demand."

Because of the increased demand for food, the ability to grow crops, Brown says, is increasingly becoming a new form of "geopolitical leverage."

He points to the grain markets in 2007 and 2008, when grain prices rose considerably. Countries that typically exported their grain to other countries clamped down on their exports, to try to keep their own domestic prices low. For example, Russia and Argentina both restricted wheat exports, while Vietnam, the world's No. 2 rice exporter, banned rice exports for several months.

"That created a panic in the importing countries because they didn't feel like they could any longer count on the world market to supply their needs," Brown says.

In response, the importing countries negotiated and in some cases leased land in other, more irrigable countries to grow grain and produce biofuels for themselves. Countries like Saudi Arabia, China and South Korea have all leased land in Africa, where the governments lease irrigable land for as little as $1 an acre.

Interested folks can read more here: http://m.npr.org/news/Politics/136394365

As long as we can protect our people's interest we will be ok. If we don't, we are in trouble. I believe Fayemi has his head screwed on right though.

2mch:
Seems like someone wants to destabilise Nigeria, so that he can play the savior role. This is what he does everywhere. Destabilise everything so that people desperate for a savior, any savior will be willing to fall for his tricks. However, we have seen how the selection of Tambuwal backfired. I guess he was trying to cause discord in the PDP. But the  he supported went back to dobale for his principals. I am sure they will be strategizing on how to deal with the ACN members. Area boy politics always backfires on a national stage. PDP is more unified in the Nigerian treasury for Tinubu to be an obstacle. This is the case of an ant trying to kill and elephant.

Dude. Are you Nigerian? Do you want this country to progress?

Do you like democracy? are you happy with the way our country has been run in the last 51 years?

Do you feel sad or happy when you see Nigerian kids suffering? Do you want change or a continuation of the same chop make I chop politics?

Please re-read the part you quoted( if the story is true that is). Then you should commend the ACN for even thinking about choosing a strong foe of the Majority Senate President. Except you are PDP, That can only be good. I'll repost for you:

“Tinubu wants Akume to become minority leader, when he knows that Akume and the Senate president are practically political enemies. The scenario he wants painted is such that Akume will continue to block bills and moves to enhance the workings of the Senate. It is a sure way of preparing the Senate for a disastrous session,” the source said.

How can anybody in a so called democracy fail to support a situation like the one painted here?

Please tell me. Do you want a Senate where both parties are Padi Padis agreeing on everything? Is that what you want?

You want a senate minority leader (opposition) who will continue to collude with the Majority in parliament? Is that the kind of democracy we want? No checks, no balance, no opposition? Everybody come together and chop?

I agree Akume is no saint, and he can probably share stolen money faster than Bankole. But I'll rather take my chances with a so-called foe of another thief than with someone who can't stand up to him.

Please don't tell me they can use Ganiyu Solomon, shebi he's opposition too. Because, If you support him then why oppose the choice of Akume?, especially when his opponents said he's powerful and influential enough to checkmate the Senate leader.

Will you send your C team to play Barcelona's A team?

BTW, I hate the idea of ACN voting for a House majority leader, I think that should be the job of the opposition to elect their leader with no input from anyone, while ACN sticks to choosing the strongest folks they can get for the minority leader in agreement with Other opposition parties.

I hope we really want this democracy thing, because if we don't we can always ask for a new system. Or better still come together and negotiate a split or restructuring

IMO, I don't want politicians to agree together, I want them to compete and eat themselves raw, dog-eat-dog style. That was why I voted for an opposition. I'm not interested in Padi Padi politics, it perpetuates the sufferings of my people.

I'll rather they fight and kill themselves while trying to loot than smile and shake hands when my people are suffering.

Not Surprised. Some of them are on Nairaland defending corrupt looters 24/7

I hold this truth to be self-evident: that it is a fan's job to do whatever is in one's power to propel one's favorite team or player to victory, especially in rivalry- or championship-deciding situations. Even if doing so requires breaching the laws of science, crossing over the boundaries of sanity and hurtling headlong into. . .THE OCCULT.

Katsumoto, please save this great Quote/Truism/WoWisdom/Pledge for next season. You will need it

BTW, GO MAAAAAAVVVVVVVVAASSSSSS


I hope I've not jinxed those folks with my support, sorry

Thank Dan Devine on Yahoo sport for the quote-->  http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie

^^ Actually, we'll rather fight over women than do tribal bashings.

Keep up the good work bro

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=590933.msg8489599#msg8489599 date=1307658293] Don't let Kilode hear that! He insists he's a purebred WARRIOR SOUL. Bwahahaha. A born preacemeaker, calling himself a soldier. That'll be the day. [/quote]MPD

OAM4J:
Am actually trying to hmm more females. . . that (politics) section. love to discuss romance only. no be so?

Haba! Oga Moderator!!

This

I advised the gathering it was better Ribadu confronted Obasanjo with the allegations against Odili. They all laughed, saying that was what they had spent all day doing. They were obviously very frustrated. Eventually it was agreed that Ribadu should make a last ditch effort

. . .Plus this

[size=8pt]Gowon and Bayero worked for Pfizer
By Nicholas Ibekwe

January 9, 2011 01:23PM

Within five minutes, the ADC got back to Ribadu that the president would meet him at a secure location within the Eagle Square. [b]Armed with what all of them at the meeting described as a ‘bombshell’ from the diplomatic mission of a Western country in Nigeria, it was Ribadu who got Obasanjo to knock Odili’s name out of Yar’Adua’s speech and ultimately from the ticket

. . .and this one

Gowon and Bayero worked for Pfizer
By Nicholas Ibekwe

January 9, 2011 01:23PM
One of the prominent Nigerians employed by Pfizer, Mr. Gowon, was apparently so determined to get a favourable settlement for Pfizer that he, against what must have been his better judgement, let his tongue loose.

During one of those meetings where terms of settlement were being negotiated, Mr. Gowon, who was representing Pfizer which earns over $18 billion annually in profit, worked hard to secure a paltry settlement. He is quoted as telling negotiators that  the worth of the life of a child born and bred in Kano cannot be compared to that of a child born and bred in the United States.   This was apparently in response to entreaties that Pfizer should pay the same rate of compensation it would pay had the trial taken place in the United States.

the worth of the life of a child born and bred in Kano cannot be compared to that of a child born and bred in the United States -Yakubu Gowon

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-582533.0.html

I hope folks can see the pattern. Leaders who don't value their own people's opinion or lifes. . .but are very quick to run helter-skelter to maintain some kind of good standing before foreigners SMH  #national inferiority complex disease

We need therapy.

^^ 'Lagbara Eledua

ola olabiy:
By God's grace, I will soon be this powerful (a la Dangote). Asee Edumare.

Mo fi owo kan ile mo fi kan aya

Mo se ami Adura