₦airaland Forum

Seun:
I think the requirements are too strenuous.  If you have the signatures of more than half of the registered voters in a constituency, then you already have a simple majority, so why do you to vote again?  Are the requirements to recall a representative in other countries this difficult?

lucabrasi:
in your retort you mentioned that this topic has nothing to do with our culture i.e of respect for elders,seeking advice from them e.t.c and furthermore asserted that this cuts across the board,inferring that the situation we have in nigeria does not exist in other parts of the world which prompted the reply from me that i disagree with these two assertions

in the united states,the opinions of statesmen/women are still sought notably papa bush,business and religious leaders e.t.c
pls lets do a chronological research of past leaders and even influential people and look at their business associates,company lawyers and accountants
the likes of afe babalola,richard akinjideare still family lawyers to the old guard how many of them do you see using a kayode ajulo,keyamo
lets look at our political scene,apart from lately that relatively young people have been given political appointments as special assistants how many young people can boast of holding politically sensitive positions i.e percentage over ll?
so i am sorry i totally disagree with you it is a general opinionlets not get ahead of ourselves here,its not about mine or yours or anyone's personal opinion,

true but one thread that ties them together and puts them in a different class to 87 yrs old baba lasisi is that
1.they at onetime or the other have ruled the complex nation called nigeria
2.hold a lot of influence in their domain,and amongst influential nigerians

now if awolowo and his ilk were alive then this argument could hold some water but its a moot point as they r notwell maybe there hasnt being enough people credible enough nor influential enough to take over from them?when ibb said the younger generation were unprepared was he lieing?

would you rather they were replaced by the likes of dimeji bankole?
or the so called youth representatives who went to collect 50grand bribe? i personally dont subscribe to blaming those guys,because we the so called next generation have not done any better so we dont have any moral unction to criticizepls check your comments and you will get the context in which i replied,i wasnt confusing you r the one that lost the context of the comment check your comments again and you will understand

i have news for you sire,nobody is practising real democracy,from the western world to africa to the communist nation of china all practise a corrupted form of democracy with your "hodge-podge collection of opposing views"
you have to look at the practicalities and how realistic it is to do what you are proposing sucessfully
the traditional way of governance was straightfoward,was not complexits not about justifying anything but trying to state a few practicalities, why dont you give me an example of what you see as a perfect government and i will highlight the "cabaltocracy" "cronyism inherent in them.realism of politics and governance is totally different from the lofty n noble ideals you r painting.
in an ideal world nigerian youths will rise up like those of the middle east and take their destiny in their hands
in an ideal world the british and havard educated dimeji bankole will perform brilliantly just like he was thought in oxford and havardtrue,maybe in an ideal stableand entrenched democracy not an unstable one where tribal/ethnic affiliations over rule every other considerationsthat is the point!nobody during their time understood their driving ideologies do youknow how many years it took for mao to be regarded and revered?
same goes for the others as well
where did abacha come into the conversation,i thought you were on about the members of the council of state?
maybe you should read up on history and check the methods leaders like the mao zedongs used doyou know how many protesting youths died at tianamen square?
as evil as hitler was,his total focus was to make germany a great nation and some twisted people still adore him for it
sir you should go and read "the prince" and you will see the qualities machiavelli ascribes to

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Sun of god:
The idea of the public voting for what gets cut off via SMS is innovative.

Katsumoto:
The title will go to whomever banishes Mekushit aka Adejoro aka Environer aka igbobuigbo aka akin-egba aka many other aliases and wilywily into the evil forest.  

lucabrasi:
i disagree with this assertion,[/b]if you check the lenght and breadth of africa where the whole idea of gerontocracy has taken root,the old generations are still sought out for advice or to play a role in governance, look at the whole of africa and their leaders,now check which of them is below 50 then you will begin to appreciate what i mean.

[b]now lets face it a president who is old will feel more comfortable being adviced by someone of similar age group

i presume you are reffering to the obas in pre colonial yoruba land,this practise was exclusive to the obas/traditional leaders and not old people besides in the same era you are making reference to in every culture yoruba,hausa,ibo the village always had the group of old people who stood as advicers and a pressure group to check the excesses and mediate in disputes e.t.c

no sire,we might be practising democratic ideals but i dont need to tell you we are not practising a pure democracy,the elders have traditionally ruled in african countries/democracies and the third world generally that is a baggage and a tie in from our cultural/traditional past.

well you might disagree with me on obj but the fact of the matter is that the end justifies the means.
ivan the terrible was despised by many but he transformed russia
chairman mao zedong was despised,in fact he made a statement that he was ok for 10 million chinese to die of hunger if it will enure his cultural revolution will be sucessful and millions actually died of hunger,apart from this he killed a large number in tianamen square but he is credited with forming the blue print for present day china,

the fact that nigeria is an unstable democracy,
and the peculiar nature of tribalism/ethic politics also makes an obasanjo needed

love him or hate him,it is actually people like obasanjo(the obnoxious,brutish type)that nigerians understand will the likes of atiku,tinubu,buhari be indulging in all they are now if obasanjo was the president?

Katsumoto:
A bit of variety is not bad jo; the picture is nice.

Kilode and Naijababe

Can you guys please tone down the Ijile Yoruba?

Please try the normal Yoruba that Isale uses.

what is this - Se ni mo rope mo si'takun wo ni sha

And what is bilisi?

^^Oga olabiy kini nkan ti mo n wo loke post yin yen?
Oga Olabiy, What is that stuff above your post

Eru te fa wole yii fe jo ti Awon ara oke Okun o
The "load" you dragged in looks "foreign? exotic? from abroad?"

Aworan ekeji yii dun wo, sugbon ti akoko yen fe dabi aworan omo Osanyin
The second picture is pleasing to the eye, the first one looks like Osayin's(Orisha of the forest, Vegetation, herbs e.t.c) Child

What happened to the thread?
Ki lo sele si tiredi/ewe itakun yii

naijababe:
. Last I heard Obasanjo lobbied Alaafin for the title which means either does not believe in the ancestral enemies or he is suicidal

Pukkah:
Chief Afe Babalola (SAN) from Ekiti and Chief Alaba Lawson from Abeokuta were installed as the Are Bamofin of Yorubaland and Iyalode of Yorubaland respectively by the present Alaafin of Oyo.

It was on the basis of this that Babalola said he can't prostrate to any other monarch except the Alaafin. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-483150.0.html

So you don't want to traumatize spanish friends of Nigeria!! How cute

Katsumoto:
You are not still beefing me cos of the hiding my boys gave to yours? Right?

Why is it unnecessary? I am just happy that my brethren are doing great things in football and Tennis. We don't like Alonso by the way.

monkeyleg:
Nope it has very little to do with living with each other, but more to do with our inbuilt selfish nature. That is were we get it all wrong.

Simple examples, ask Nigerians to come together to choose a leader and we can not have a unifying view of who we want to lead us

Ask Nigerians to come together an form or run a company. before you know it, EGO's have come into play, everyone wants to be the owner or leader of the company.

I have 3 friends who are good at what they do individually. I sit back and see that if they come together, they will be a force to be reckorned with. But pride would not let them come together for the common good, each of the 3 wants his or her name in lights.

Nigerians are simply selfish, greedy, and sometimes downright wicked. They is a saying "Jealously, Hate and G

cap28:
Nigerians in my opinion are the most delusional set of human beings on the face of the planet.

How on earth can any nigerian say with a straight face that they are a nation of smart people when they havent even been able to throw off the shackles of colonialism?

surely a smart people would first of all focus on the right to self determination before any other thing.

I couldnt help but laugh when one poster mentioned the nigerian that is involved in the Gatwick airport partnership - okay for the sake of argument - so what if he "owns" it - what difference does that make to the average nigerian? does he have any say in the hiring and firing that goes on in that company?

Does his presence in that company add value to the lives of the average nigerian?

The fact of the matter is that nigerians brag about superficial minutiae that make no real difference when you take the time to look at the bigger picture.

Nigeria is a wealthy nation but still under the control of foreigners - Shell, Chevron and Exxon Mobil exert massive control over the nigerian govt, the international banking institutions which incidentally are controlled and run by Jews exert massive financial control over our own central bank, lebanese , indians and chinese are moving into nigeria at a rapid rate and are setting up businesses, hiring indigenous nigerians and paying them a pittance (with the support of the nigerian govt) and some nigerians still have the nerve to talk about being smart.

Where have you seen a nation that gives prefere4ntial treatment to foreigners at the expense of its own people?[/b]Can a nigerian dream of going to india, china or lebanon to buy up a business for next to nothing and then hire the indigenous people and pay them a pittance with the support of that country's govt?

[b]There is a big difference between acquiring academic knowledge (which by the way is not that difficult to do, because all you really need to have is the ability to regurgitate information fed to you by somebody else) and developing wisdom and self awareness. Nigerians are good at soaking up western education and extollign the virtues of western ideology, forgetting that many of these ideas were tailored to suit the western culture that they were created for. Isnt it about time we came up with our own economic theories and ideals which will be more suited to our own unique cultures and traditions instead of being proud to be told by western academics how good we are at learning, copying and regurgitating THEIR ideas?

The fact of the matter is that it is so easy to copy somebody else's template, nobody respects people who cant come up with their own ideas. The reason that the europeans respect the japanese and chinese is because they are innovators and pace setters not followers, this is why they are treated as equals and allowed a seat at the table of important nations of the world. Nigeria is a follower nation - content to copy and pretend as if that somehow makes you a nation to be reckoned with.

Lets stop this self deception and start looking inward, we need visionaries and innovators not half baked copy cats who are content to keep doing what has been done centuries ago.