naijababe: Oginiti mu l'Aberdeen sugbon a ba eledua binu o

Mo jeri yin.

Kini gbedogbedo won fe f'igi ogede gbe? Ki l'afefe aberdeen won fe fi igi gbedu se?

E ku suuru...

That list does not even have the only tongue thing one can be guilty of sef. Anyway to each his own.



Ha! Iya mi naijababe! Bawo ni nkan ni Aberdeen o? o t'odun meta.

musiwa22: is that the true picture.. or is it another yahoo yahoo by nairaland, before i make comment..

Egbon Musiwa, se e lo jigi yin ni? Yes, that's his picture. It's ok to comment now.



I met Chief Lotin once or twice as a child, you can touch the aura of influence around him. I'm not surprised many like him. I'm sure many more will miss him. He obviously served many with his influence.

Like the Ondos will say: Bi oiho kan san, a han nugba onehn ~If one head is successful it can spread to two hundred people~

It's funny how people still call him Chief Lotin though, his old title before he became the traditional "PM" Lisa of Ondo.

RIP to him.

Isale, o ga o! Ki la gbe?! Kileru?

Your imagination may be ahead of you on this one, but who am I to reject good tidings?

I think Odu Ose Meji addressed this already, so who am I to reject children, especially when prophesied by awon Iya mi.

Ire o, Ase Edumare!

Isale, Kilonso?

African women and their amazing 8 senses. Love em!

OAM4J: Kilode?! coming and going this several seasons.... now Katsumoto is taking after you... Kilode nau?

Apologies.

All is well....

oyb:

does kilode have something that needs hiding?

Lol

Kilode?! carries a burden, important info must be protected.

Where is your interview sef?

Tgirl4real:

Yes! I say it again, dey aint man-enuf to face me.

Are you ready to sign a non-disclosure agreement?

9jacrip:


Funny how you're taking a defeatist approach.
I have countered Johnson's work in general terms to be filled with myths not on Kiriji per-se.
Further more, I stated I've read Johnson's work from cover to cover (almost every fresh student of history start with his work).
I've admitted to not being enthralled by 'kiriji war' which you of course seem fascinated about.

I wouldn't want to pursue this further either for obvious reason being you appear to be a lay-man to/of history - simple and plain. I ought to have let the matter rest with how you tout Johnson's work, state Homer to be a historian, claiming Oddysey and Illiad to be history works - how disastrous could that be?

Enjoy.

P.S: Johnson wrote a good work on Kiriji but he wasn't the only one who touched that topic is what I'm saying and for the record, I didn't state the work on Kiriji to be mythologized in the book.

Oga, please, don't go away like that o!

You can see this is a collaborative thread on Kiriji Wars, so please share your knowledge and insight with us.

We welcome facts, myths, hear-say, My grandfather-told-me-so stories, oldwives tales sef.

Heck, we even welcome first hand accounts of personal exploits even ( some people here probably fought in the Kiriji wars from the way they 'talk) '

Seriuosly, don't go away sir, drop more knowledge. Invite your historian GF too.

Thank you!

AjanleKoko:

More like 100% actually.

1992 - 2 months.
1993 - 5 months.
1994 - 5 months, all the way till January '95.
1996 - 6 months
2001 - 3 months
2003 - 6 or 7 months (i forget)
2007 (or 2009, not sure) - 6 months.

That is the one I can remember.

Sadly, I was a victim too. In one of the years up there, mine lasted for over 9 months.

I'm still in therapy and recovery

Nigerians love these American motivational speakers sha. RIP to the man

HQ: 10 quotes from Zig Ziglar. . .


10) “Remember that failure is an event, not a person.”

9) “You will get all you want in life, if you help enough other people get what they want.”

8 ) “People often say motivation doesn’t last. Neither does bathing—that’s why we recommend it daily.”

7) “There has never been a statue erected to honor a critic.”

6) “People don’t buy for logical reasons. They buy for emotional reasons.”

5) “Expect the best. Prepare for the worst. Capitalize on what comes.”

4) “If you go looking for a friend, you’re going to find they’re scarce. If you go out to be a friend, you’ll find them everywhere.”

3) “A goal properly set is halfway reached.”

2) “Your attitude, not your aptitude, will determine your altitude.”

1) “If you can dream it, you can achieve it.”

RIP.

Quote #7 is an often repeated error. It's wrong.

We discussed it here: https://www.nairaland.com/637417/reuters-mocks-inecs-incompetence-over/4#8050586

Jarus:
Up National. Double twale. My two hands up
We don open the thread o

Ok. I see you are loyal. Well done.

I dropped the chair but I threw a broken bottle.

Anyway, see you next month. Hopefully one can be a participant at that time.

Great job, guys! Well done to all the debaters.

DeepSight was just too much. It was no contest really. His question and point which i'm posting below is something to chew on.

"We cannot have a State Judiciary and State Department of Public Prosecutions without a State enforecment Unit."

That point summarizes the ridiculousity of our structure. A structure forced down the throat of 160million people by a visionless military-political class. It's a shame we are still trying to manage that vision in 2012 rather than radically overhauling it.

Think about this next time you support a politician in Nigeria:

1. Can this person lead a radical change in this country?
2. Does he have antecedents to fight entrenched interests and policies?

Your sincere answer should guide your choice.

Well done DeepSight.

Jarus, when are you going to open the debate thread for chair throwing?

I've been holding this Iroko chair for several minutes now and the thing is getting heavy.

I'm aiming at that one judge that gave a low score to DeepSight...

Deep Sight:

Lol. I have this friend who always uses this term "aiyelala" as an exclamation. what the hell does it mean? ? ?

She is a great goddess from my part of the country. She dispenses stomach bursting justice without fear or favour.

ROFL

On a more serious note, this report reminds me of a rather emphatic, or shall I say prophetic declaration by my brotha, Papabrowne, several months ago.

Take a look: https://www.nairaland.com/906312/finally-renovating-airports/1


By the way, I also heard the Benin-Ore road contract has been cancelled. So much for gradualism, positivism and spin and spell.


No PR can fix a bad product. A bad leader will always attract bad advisers and ministers...

Katsumoto: Wondering why the section regulars are not throwing their hats into the ring.

Considering many have made positions for and against state police over the last few months.

Jarus & Oam4j,

Start calling folks out.

I'll report myself, thank you.

Yes, I'm an advocate of State Police/Locally controlled Law enforcement. I have NL posts to prove it.

BUT: I'm not sure I can spend this weekend fine tuning a NL treatise, complete with 10 pages of references and a bibliography like the erudite Katz did last time

Cop out attempt: I'm no longer as regular. I can't spare this weekend, things are tight here abeg

ekt_bear: I did not realize that this country was once so sweet.

Hopefully those great years (70s and early 80s) will one day return.

It was. Mostly a blur now, I was too young. But I remember shopping at Kingsway with my parents.

I remember my Indian Science teachers ( at a public school o) and one or two Ghanaian ones too.

We can become a destination country again, but we have work to do, radical work. Gradualism won't get us there.

Off Topic post, apologies.

ekt_bear: ....

Bro, I just read that NYT link in your profile. Good read.

Have you read John Ogbu's work? He was a Berkeley Prof. of Sociology. His work "A Study of Academic Disengagement" was a seminal research on that topic. Died years ago. He was from Nigeria too.

He identified immigrant culture as the reason for the disparity explained in that article and not innate intelligence or anything like that.

I wonder how African immigrant kids (1st - 2nd Gen ) do on that New York test, I won't be surprised if they compare well with Asians.

Review here: http://www.hepg.org/her/abstract/38

Ogbu's bio: http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/senate/inmemoriam/johnogbu.htm

Deep Sight:
Hallo Jarus, I'd like to indicate my interest in the monthly political debate. I am particularly interested in the SNC topic. . . . . .

Please whatever topic Deep Sight wants to debate, let us have it next. I want more of those religious section "philosophers" here.



@Jarus, BTW, I thought you said two debates: Saturday/Sunday, or did I read that wrong? What happened to the SNC debate last week? No takers?

State Police is a very relevant topic.

I approve.

Dayokanu's opinion up there is not really different from his past position on Nigeria.

The "warriors" of the Niger Delta sacrificed their struggle on the altar of GEJ's ambition... Hopefully it will pay off.




@Topic, but of course...

Katsumoto and Obinoscopy, well done, guys.

I see the debate followed the schedule and posted format. Impressive coordination by Jarus, OAM4J and others.

ndu_chucks:

Frankly, I look at the birth of Nigeria as I do that of a child born as a result of vicious r ape. We all know that, such a child could, despite the unfortunate circumstances of her birth, become the greatest achiever in her continent.

Hope springs eternal, Alhaji One Naijeriya.

Jarus:

We'll explore that possibility, even if will take a form of discussion, not debate - something like 'An evening with XXXX' where Nairalanders will ask questions from oour politician/public officer guest.

I have access to a couple of them (Atedo Peterside, SLS), I don fight Dele Momodu recently(so he won't even listen to me ), el-Rufai appears, based on his knoweledge of Nairaland and his twitter activities, someone that can agree to participate, we can give it a go; I know Tambuwal's media guy, but not sure he would want to participate in such. We can explore all these opportunities to bring these guys here for engagement.

Good. Please plan it quick quick. No time.

For those you don't have influence with or access to, maybe some NLder's can help if you ask.

EX: I'll like to have Senator Sola Adeyeye and Tambuwal come on here to discuss the seeming impotence of our Senate, or justify the vulgar salary and allowances they collect when 70% or more of our people are suffering

I'm very late to this. I guess I'll just stand in the overflow and read the debates...


But this??

PointB:
10, Kilode - ACN goon.

O ga o. Na wa o. Anyway sha...

At least that guy forced a Japo-Afghani-Spaniard like Katsumoto to defend my e-honour



Good Initiative. But NL is old and big enough to start bringing in real world political actors for debates.

If Obama can go on Reddit, Tambuwal should be encouraged to come here and debate Sagamite...or Kobojunkie sef..

Lol @ ekt_bear

I'm not great at all. I have no army..

How are you my Ekiti brother? I thought NL politics lost you to the programming section.

eGuerrilla: @Rossike, your matter-of-fact view on the encroachment of a home-grown oligarchy ("money men" is both refreshing and disturbing.
Disturbing because it ignores the experience recorded in Russia, where there has been a concentration of political power and former state assets in the hands of a few.

I share your worry, but like I often say,  the biggest  ideological struggle in Nigeria is/will be between Radicals and Gradualists. May the gods put us on the right side of history.

Rossike's opinion is not an outlier, i've heard so many people express same in the last 4 years.  I believe this administration and their top advisers share that opinion too...

eGuerrilla, Your own opinion is very common also - the idea that we are strengthening a super-class elite that will answer to their own rules, even more than they already do now and by so doing bring our people more ruin, more economic oppression and concentrated poverty...

Those are just my interpretations, they may not be correct for you guys..


Those two positions will continue to shape Nigeria's political economy.


The quote below from Jeffery Winters, Northwestern professor of political science, aptly described why we must not let ourselves get carried away, why we must apply balance...




"Oligarchy rests on the concentration of material power. Democracy on the dispersion of non-material power"  - Winters

Quote edit*

ndu_chucks:

Good to see you here after a long absence. se dada ni e wa, eyin ati awon ara ile Obama?

Frankly, I believe Yoruba people deserve a better leader than Tinubu who recently claimed that he is god to the SW people.

I join good Nigerians in congratulating Mimiko who refuses to be pushed around by Oju yobo. I predict that the next person who will revolt against Tinubu is Aregbesola.

My Polyglot Alhaji, Thank you. The mountain on this side prevented us from seeing the one on the other side. I'm well. You nko?

Maybe now cooler heads will prevail. Consensus is not a bad thing...

E ni a wi fun baba je o gbo...

Kilode?!:
If this is the basis of their disagreement, then I maintain my earlier position that ACN politics on this issue is not smart politics.

I hope they can reconsider their stance and work to build consensus. There is still time.

I see no reason why they cannot work together across party lines on most of these initiatives, except there's more to it than what I'm reading here. I'll like to read their response to this. 

*Coughs*

And I have always pointed out that if there are areas where we share same values, we can collaborate. I believe in state police for example. ]

I believe that we must decentralise power to a very large extent in Nigeria. 

*Coughs again*

May the morning meet my people well. Ase!