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proudly9ja:
What I don't get is that in saner countries, this would be headline news on every newspaper and Television!

Nigeria lost her damn mind since 1914.

^Yep they did, waiting for kattwilliams or Anderson Cooper to tweet it.

Glad ChannelsTV showed it in Naija eventually.

How una dey?

agabaI23:
I like what Chief Uwazurike said.

Reform quietly without giving the international community a reason to malign Nigerians.

Do you agree with No immunity for Governors or anyone but the President?

And if I may defend Jarus;

Not that the man needs my help, but I will defend him all the same.

Jarus has offered numerous caveat and explanations during the course of this election season. On several occasions, he painstakingly told people he's supporting the Buhari candidacy as a Nigerian not as NL moderator.

One of his longer caveat is below, I think he posted this after several threads were opened accusing him of bias. despite his many explanations.

Let us try to be fair.

I do not recollect reading anything extensive from Seun himself apart from his short comments of support for Jonathan.

Now I do not think these men's opinion should be muzzled. I don't even think Seun owes anybody any explanation as long as he is not actively preventing other forum users from getting legitimate information out about their candidates across.


Read Jarus below:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-625372.0.html#msg7930675

Jarus:
Knowing NL quite well, having been here for a while, I have become familiar with all shades of reasonings here - the intelligent and the otherwise. Clearly, for the latter, the only workable option is to ignore, as the Yoruba proverb says 'you don't argue with a fool'. But, somehow, I have decided to be responding to every accusation levelled against, even if it doesn't worth it.

When I was given this section to co-run in August last year, far before the presidential political frenzy entered top gear, I stated the below in my thread: TOWARDS A BETTER SECTION:

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1, PERSONAL VIEWS: Like any other person, I have my personal views on varying issues. Being a Mod will not make me drop these views, but I promise not to use my position to suppress dissenting views or impartially promote my personal views. 

Having engaged in various discussions on this section in the last 3 years, most of my takes on issues are well known, notably approval of current CBN reforms with only a few reservations; advocate of one Nigeria and disbeliever in split as solution; belief that North  and South are both guilty of teh current mess the country is in; and many other personal opinions which are well known here. But will I use my Mod status to promote these views? No. I will continue to engage in discussions, marshaling my views on neutral ground. 

So my good friend, Naijaking, you are safe lol. It is also good to clarify here that I am a Muslim, and in fact the Mod of Muslims section for over a year, but I guarantee fairness to everybody irrespective of religious or ideological persuasion.
Jarus, August 03, 2010
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-490739.0.html

What, for crying out loud, is wrong in a moderator expressing political views? Am I INEC? Am I the one to conduct election?
I am a stakeholder in the Nigerian project and I have every right to identify with any political group/ideology/personality. I become partial when I use Mod privilege to the detriment of another candidate or unjustly use it to the favour of my candidate, which nobody has been able to prove here.
Can you point to any Buhari thread I give special status like stickying?

Your other allegations are as lugubrious as they come. Any nairalander that has to look at what another person says or the opinions of another person to form his/her own opinion is far from mature and doesn't fit to talk where politics are being discussed, NL or elsewhere. I'm flattered that you made me know that some people exist here that look forward to me to form opinion. Such people need lessons in independent reasoning. Well, you made me feel happy that I mould people's opinions here, in as much as it's not by force, but by respect, I'm happy with that status.

How a mature person can be afraid of expressing contrary views to that of Mod in an online forum is beyond my imagination, honestly.
It may interest you also that I don't have power to ban or even promote a topic to front page. All these are done by Admin and Supermod at their informed discretion. Anyway, the Supermod that does most of these is not a Nigerian, not to talk of having political bias. And the Seun I know will not use his forum against anybody

Jarus, You've done a great Job. It's not war, It's just an election.

PapaBrowne:
On point my brother!! Buhari has done it before and he will do it again. He promulgrated Decree 4 that killed freedom of speech while[b] Jonathan ensured the passage of FOI bill. [/b]

If you run an institution that is dependent on free speech , you have everyright to protect not just the institution but  your own personal freedom from the likes of Buhari who if they get another handle on power would find a way to muzzle you and destroy your institution! Nairaland is an institution dependent on free speech, Hence Seun has every right to protect both his institution and his personal freedom from the prospect of a Buhari invasion.
On the real, Seun has been balanced. For every anti Buhari thread on the homepage, there is Anti Gej thread. When Jarus and Aisha2 tormented pro GEJ supporters for the last three months, nobody complained.

Jonathan has not signed the FOI bill, don't give him credit for what he has not done. We got to this same stage with that buffoon OBJ, and he refused to sign it. so we've been here before, nothing new my brother.

Presently, they are working on harmonizing the differences between the House and Senate versions. The pro-establishment politicians and their Civil servant security goo/ns prefer the status quo ways, they do not want a broad FOI bill, they still want to keep secrets from us, most of them are in PDP.

FOI bill is an ACN bill sponsored by Abike Dabiri, she also sponsored the Diaspora voting bill, PDP rejected it.

See bro, We know who the "progressives" are and they are not PDP,  I just feel sorry for Nigerians, especially minorities who think GEJ can fight these people.

Even GEJ, during the debate said there are "issues" with the bill,  It's not over yet, strike that FOI bill credit out of your GEJ points.

And Seun himself once said this about Buhari"

first realised that revolts by old members couldn’t kill the site because of the constant influx of new members. This, coupled with stress from the rapid growth of the site, led me to adopt a Buhari-style approach to managing the forum, which tarnished my reputation quite a bit:

Go figure.


Bro, Some of us believe Nigeria needs a leader that is committed and has the will to making bold and radical changes within the limits of democracy. We are in a radical situation in Nigeria. I believe Buhari will do that better than Jonathan.

We will see whether GEJ's "Pacification"  and "continuity" (Seun's word in support of GEJ) style will restructure Nigeria or not, shebi na just 4 years

Sagamite:
If I was the presenter on TV, I would stop the discussions for a second and ask one of the TV assistants to bring a bundle of paper or a book.

I would then tell the lawyer to count 10 pages.

After he does, then I will tell him to imitate finger-stamp 10 pages.

I would then ask him to explain which of his motions best reflects the motions of the women in the clip.

LOOOL

NO mind them, if it's to shout about premiership league now you will see their veins trying to burst out

Now they are finding excuses and talking gently and "codedly" about obvious rigging.

Nonsense!

agabaI23:
Even CNN reports with reservation if the video is sent in by an individual.

Did you watch their report of the Egypt crisis? they were making inferences and judgement more than the people in tahir square most based on videos sent it.

They question their politicians like accused criminals in a court room, they make the seat hot for them, Agaba stop am jo

Sagamite:
You need me on TV.  

Did you see that fooooooll with puff puff mouth trying to act blind? that thumb printing is as clear as day.

he said he did not see it? trying to act like a lawyer

that  mumu on the panel said what she was doing is not showing  

see hin mouth like something wey den take worship shango

Nigerian journalists speak with a worrying docile reservation. We are so oppressed it is very sad.

I'm proud of channels though

I'm watching tooo!

Shame the she-devil

bidemi12:
Bro's no be laughing matter oooo. . . . .  we need to start thinking seriously about going back to exploit this huge loop hole in Nigeria. The ratio of reetards to sane people is like 1000:1. That in itself is unbelievable. There are millions to be made with people like that. what do you think?

Right.

If you are just borderline smart and you are all about making money by any means necessary, I tell you, Nigeria is the place to be. Currently, we worship criminals and looters. Dunno about tomorrow though.

Kobojunkie:
WOOHOO!!!

Hey, Kobojunkie, I went back to read my exchanges with you on this topic back in January. I was hoping for an alliance then. Politics is very interesting really. .

bump

I still dislike Campbell's poke-nosing though.

This is the point where you leave politics to save a life


@OP: HE WILL NEVER STOP.

The question is, can you endure forever?

londoner:
This is also a test for INEC, they said they have machines which will make this type of multiple finger printing ineffective.


So what happened?

What happened? INEC was as confused as the average Nigerian.

INEC cannot reform itself or be effective as it is currently structured. Only ignorant people and bold face liars believe the election was free and fair.

In a country where the Police chiefs are handpicked by the President, a candidate in an election, you expect free and fair?

JEGA owes GEJ his job too, he will have to be angel Gabriel to operate freely with no influence from the PDP Federal government.

Modify your expectations if you've not, we will not get a free and fair election until we take the massive power and money enjoyed by our central government away from them.

We will get another Funny and Farce election tomorrow though, unless there is a popular uprising.

oyb:
we will all remain here to watch as gej drives nigeria into the abyss

we will be there when the jos crisis continues, when more billions are spent and no roads are completed,

we will be there when the eca is depleted and the naira drops even further

we will be there when mend resumes its bombing campaign

we will be there when there are new scandals invovling miisters which will not be investigated

we will be there when the continuity of power failure forces seun to shut down nairaland for 12 hours

we will be there when there are more accidents on the lagos benin expressway

we will be there when there is another round of plane crashes

we can't leave nigeria because evil has won, we will just have to siddon look like buhari

nigeria, in the end gets the leaders it deserves

we have done our bit to save nigeria , just as other did their bit during the abacha years

the same people  praising singing gej are the same people who were praise singing abacha

Quoting for posterity.

Classic Oyb, well said.

Seun:
When I saw the thread, I thought mukina2 would already have posted it, so I didn't bother.  Sorry.

Hmm, OK then, Even VOA is now reporting it: 

"Social media powered civil society groups and the Nigerian diaspora are trying to help make the country’s ongoing election process credible. Election analysts are impressed, saying such efforts will help democracy establish itself across Africa.

A video posted on the YouTube video site Thursday showed alleged rigging by election officials during last week’s legislative voting in Rivers state.

Comments below the video included the cell phone number of a top official from the Independent National Electoral Commission, known as INEC, so Nigerians worldwide could call to complain.

The video was released by a group called Juju Films Productions".

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/Nigerian-Diaspora-Seeks-Credible-Elections-Using-Social-Media-119886879.html

[size=17pt]Nigerian Diaspora Seeks Credible Elections Using Social Media[/size]

Nico Colombant | Washington




Social media powered civil society groups and the Nigerian diaspora are trying to help make the country’s ongoing election process credible. Election analysts are impressed, saying such efforts will help democracy establish itself across Africa.

[b]A video posted on the YouTube video site Thursday showed alleged rigging by election officials during last week’s legislative voting in Rivers state.

Comments below the video included the cell phone number of a top official from the Independent National Electoral Commission, known as INEC, so Nigerians worldwide could call to complain.

The video was released by a group called Juju Films Productions.

At a recent event in Washington, Reno Omokri explained the actions his Nigerian group, Council for Youth Empowerment, are encouraging.

"Go surreptitiously and just video what is happening and then upload it so that we can actually force the elections to be free and fair and credible. We are not just going to rely on INEC," Omokri said.

Omokri says Nigerians around the world have been inspired by recent social media driven uprisings in North Africa and the Middle East.

"We are actually sending youths from over here in the diaspora, also from the UK, and youths in Nigeria to monitor the election. Now you see what is happening in Egypt and Tunisia in the Arab countries. Facebook has played a major role," Omokri  said.

Facebook, the social media website, has hundreds of pages dedicated to the ongoing elections. These continue Saturday with the presidential poll, and April 26 with gubernatorial voting.

Twitter, the micro-blogging website, is full of conversations preceded with so called hash tags like "Nigeria Decides."

One group of Internet Nigerian activists called "Enough is Enough Nigeria" is using both Twitter and Facebook to encourage voting, as well as discuss the process, and point out any irregularities.

With more than 70 million mobile phone lines and thousands of Internet cafes in Nigeria, as well as a very concerned Internet connected diaspora, Africa analysts say social media are helping these elections become better, a trend they are witnessing across the continent.

Peter Lewis, the director of the African Studies program at Johns Hopkins University, says more traditional civil society groups also play an important role, but now have help to be heard.

"Nigeria has always had a vibrant and diverse civil society and many groups including the Transition Monitoring Group and other organizations are very focused on this election, concerned while also hopeful and eager to play a very assertive role and a very active role in observing, documenting and indeed trying to ensure that it is a competitive and transparent exercise," Lewis said.

Dave Peterson, from the U.S-based National Endowment for Democracy, says thousands of election observers who are becoming more and more professional are the final piece of the puzzle in making sure the elections are credible.

"If there is fraud, the world will know about it. These groups, my impression is that, they are better organized than ever," Peterson said.

Nigeria’s ambassador to the United States Adebowale Adefuye is not surprised by these developments, given the general disappointment following the last elections in 2007, which were marred by widespread violence and cheating.

"The clamor for free and fair and credible elections has been so strong since 2007 that no government dare ignore it. It is as strong as the cry for reliable source of electricity and everybody knows what I am talking about in Nigeria. The future of the country, the international image of the country, respectability of Nigerians when they leave the country is so much tied with that," Adefuye said.

Candidates in the elections have noticed as well, using Facebook and Twitter to make important announcements, and encourage more voting for them.

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/Nigerian-Diaspora-Seeks-Credible-Elections-Using-Social-Media-119886879.html

[size=18pt]bk.babe. bro! They saw it!![/size]

Social media powered civil society groups and the Nigerian diaspora are trying to help make the country’s ongoing election process credible. Election analysts are impressed, saying such efforts will help democracy establish itself across Africa.

A video posted on the YouTube video site Thursday showed alleged rigging by election officials during last week’s legislative voting in Rivers state.

Comments below the video included the cell phone number of a top official from the Independent National Electoral Commission, known as INEC, so Nigerians worldwide could call to complain.

The video was released by a group called Juju Films Productions.

At a recent event in Washington, Reno Omokri explained the actions his Nigerian group, Council for Youth Empowerment, are encouraging.

"Go surreptitiously and just video what is happening and then upload it so

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/Nigerian-Diaspora-Seeks-Credible-Elections-Using-Social-Media-119886879.html

VOA reported it !!

I'm proud of the Juju film guys who posted this.

SEFAGO:
Oyibo people are not funny at all from a NIgerian perspective so people like you (who act like oyibo) might not be seen as funny.

You are so right. Maybe I can manage George Carlin, and that's because my very decent very noble African upbringing will not allow me to diss a dead white comedian

Make sure you read this before you vote.

Read, then go and vote,

This is what PDP is trying to rig you out of.

They will never remove immunity for looters because they are looters too, GEJ will never do it.

What is a State Governor doing with immunity? Ordinary governor

Good plans, don't throw it away, PDP will probably never do this.

Keep tweeting folks, don't let them Maga you with fake election.

Let them know we know they are rigging and we are snitching on their lying A$$

#onlyinnaija
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl5JSE1YrCs

Copy and tweet

Good job bro, I saw it.

#onlyinnaija

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=367789.msg8129672#msg8129672 date=1302826591]@Kilode?!: What steps concretely? Is a simple change of the revenue formula enough? Or are deeper constitutional changes needed?[/quote]For me it has to go deeper than revenue sharing, we need to put this current constitution in a shredding machine. Nigeria is currently an entitlement sharing company with pseudo-unity phrases like "federal character" and "power rotation" all because the center is where the loot is.

Concrete steps will have to be debated on and negotiated, but I can make a safe bet that Most Nigerians are not opposed to a debate neither are they opposed to a constitutional conference that will discuss the restructuring of Nigeria. The opposers are our oppressors, the same military-politician-business elites who know their influences will reduce in a decentralized Nigeria.

Concretely, we can do a referendum or plebiscite for people to choose if they want counties or cities based on language and culture, or regions, it should be open-ended with clear rules so those who can't decide quickly can join anytime they choose. But they must guarantee the freedom of every Nigerian to live anywhere, do business, vote and be voted for. Local laws will be obeyed as long as they do not violate national ones.

Eku, I don't have a blueprint of every detail beyond broad ideas(if I do, I may not release it until I'm ready to get my face on a ballot paper or raise an army 

There are cities in the US where you cannot buy alcohol on Sundays, while some allow prostitution in smaller counties, some will probably shoot you. So we can likewise allow communities to retain their culture and local character while competing with others. enough of this one style fits all, one state fits all nonsense.

New cities or counties can be administered locally and differently but based on approved national benchmark standards. i.e we can't let you sacrifice children to your local god lol. You can marry them off at 14 (if you live in Zamfara) but maybe not at 9.

This kind of self-determination will be discussed and agreed to. I tell you, as soon as the money leaves the center, only the brave and idealistic will aspire to become president. It will be a lot of work with little financial reward for the lazy. All these looters will rather start businesses. Lol

Read this https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-627373.32.html#msg7950251

Notice what Bola Ige said in his letter? (paragraph 7 of Ige to Obj) Notice how OBJ is vehemently opposed to restructuring and true federalism? Go figure.

EzeUche:
Is this your only evidence? If it is, you need to find more information, then ONE youtube video.

We have more on this video to show this election is a farce and a total confusion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7V7Ag-TQKk&feature=player_embedded

There is nothing free and fair about this Confusion. Even the victory in Lagos was not free and fair, thousands couldn't vote.(rigging SW massively would have led to "wetie" though IMO)

"MARKEDLY BETTER" than 2007 is an opinion from the minds of supporters of mediocrity and oppression. Western observers spent their days in urbans centers and nights at Hilton and Sheraton, they will soon go back home with their careful opinions, we will have to deal with our issues.

Stand with your people Mazi Ezeuche, if Ohakim wants to rule Imo for example, let him win free and fair, this rigging is digusting, deperate riggers will loot the treasury for sure.

The question is what are you going to do about it? you can tweet, you can enlighten people and you can speak to your little sphere of influence, one less ignorant Nigerian is a good victory.