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airmark:
Are you sure of what you just typed? Don't let me think you just started supporting Chelsea after we won UCL.

KDB is not on Hazard and Lampard level please. Let KDB be the best in the league for just one season like them first.

Ok just checked he won one but that doesn't change my point. Winning that award adds nothing to a player quality or ability. Honesty the last part of your post is garbage. Vardy can't lace Aguero boots yet he has won one and aguero have won none. So by your logic if aguero can't win one then vardy is better or what?

hensben:
De Bruyne should be in same team with Morata and co let’s see number of assist he will get.

Forget Morata put me with him and I could score 10 or more goals in the EPL with De Bruyne assisting me.
His pass technique is the bomb,they dont just go in the direction, they are bolted through with high speed, even go right by a few defenders cause the ball is moving so fast, and then come to a stop at the perfect place in front of the running attacker, i havent even seen Messi or Xavi do that, the one player i've seen do that was prime fabregas from his Arsenal days (he was never the same after having to adapt to playing out of position for barcelona).

gensteejay:
When KDB wins the EPL best player award, which Hazard has won a number of times, both players can be compared.

For now, all these attempts at downplaying Hazard's achievements and exaggerating KDB's are sentimental, to say the least.

Hazard is easily the better player of the 2.

You serious? Scholes never won one. Lampard never won one. Aguero hasn't won one.That's an incredibly superficial way of assessing the better player by using silly awards my man.

Greatihex:
you are mistaking style of play to vision. i think that is where you are having the problem.




now, can you tell me the metric that can be used to measure this vision. what stat can we look at and say that this player has good vision or not?

Football Vision: ability to pick a defense splitting pass from anywhere on a regular basis. Messi,kdb and fabregas comes to mind.

nateevs:
Nihilist dey vex.

I like that midfield. I have always felt it is a very dynamic midfield. However, we have to admit that unless something changes drastically, it is an absolute non-scoring midfield and may end up being more counter-productive than anything positive.

With a blunt attack, it's not clear where the goals will be coming from. And this is where the success/failure of Lamps this season will lie.

I think eventually, for a balance of pressing, goals-scoring and creativity, Lamps might start to consider a trio of Kante, RLC and MM, unless one of Pulisic or CHO makes a massive jump in their career and do a Raheem Sterling. There are just no goals.

With RLC scoring 11 goals last season, he is the highest goals-scoring mid-fielder we have in the squad. And with MM already off to a goal-scoring start (pre-season included), I think it's a no-brainer. Then have Kante support them and everything else rotates around these 3.

Meanwhile, since the striker position seems to be in trial stage and the team is open to whoever can grab an opportunity, make Lamps go bring Charlie Brown come from academy come trial am. He cannot do any worse than Batshuayi.

Lampard problem is

1) the midfield structure, we don’t have passing circuits to keep possession or pass our of pressure like with Sarriball

2) Defense. here and in Derby County he has no clue on how to set up a defense. Even when we won last them last season they made countless silly mistakes .

Emaprince:
And Williams wants to fill hazards shoes. Ediot

whoever was wearing that number 10 shirt Yesterday should not be used in any sort of large capacity this season. That was Bakayoko vs Watford level of bad yesterday.

Azpi has to be one of the worst captains we have had.
He talks and talks and talks, and then he himself fails.

His crosses has been awful and defensively he has become error prone.

Our previous number 10 used to create something out of nothing.
Our new number 10 does exactly the opposite .

Grundig:
This thing lampard is trying to do is not sustainable.

Thank you.

Myllz:
Yes

Then you know how unsuccessful it was and how they always lost against the smaller side because his press couldn't work against teams that sit deep. Also how they where gassed out by the 2nd half of the season until he decided to change his approach and go for more control in games.

Sarri played jorginho in that role, Lampard came in and is still playing jorginho even pep wanted to buy jorginho to play him in that exact role but you that have no coaching experience or skills is saying jorginho is the issue .

Myllz:
Liverpool na low pressing team abi

Did you watch Liverpool first two seasons under klopp?

Roland17:
Chelsea's intensity has dropped significantly and this is leading to bad passes and combinations as the players obviously look tired. Is this tactic sustainable for a thin squad like Chelsea's throughout this season? Can Chelsea match another intense and high pressing team?

finally somebody gets what i am saying

larride:
How is City and Liverpool doing theirs?

By averaging 60 to 70% ball possession in most Matches allowing them to run less and control the game at their own pace.

nitrogen:
I like what Lampard is trying to do. Makes sense!

Its exciting but Keeping up the pace through out a season is not attainable.

Pulisic come on I need a goal from you .

Kimbeast:
Well said bro. That's why IMO our best line up against teams where we'll have the lion share of the possession and when we'll have the impetus to break their defence down we're better off having a creative player in midfield that's why mount-jorgi-kante is the best option in midfield
We need someone in our midfield who can score and assist, or break a bus with a pass or a strike from range, Kova can’t, Mount can, against the top 6, especially City and Liverpool then sure Kova-Jorgi-Kante, against the majority of teams in the league Mount-Jorgi-Kante should do it.

Lampard has a nairaland account

Segedinho:
Any comments? ??

Our best line up. Mount for kovacic perfect from lampard

Those fans of other clubs who are relishing the anger and frustration of some people should remember that one day, VAR will screw your team over.
And when it does, you’ll know how it feels.
And you won’t be laughing.

Liverpool defense shaky without Allison.

Southampton dominating Liverpool midfield

krattoss:
the dude gave himself up.

Doing Fraud with his legit mail and IP

You don't know half the story. You are under estimating Hackers.

Greatihex:
is it a coincidence that sarri with teams that followed his football to the last was trophyless, but he wins his first trophy with a team that refused to follow his instructions to the later?

You can't be serious .

airmark:
If you gain say #50 and lose #50, your business will soon shut down. There must be more positives than negs in everything we do. We are already seeing more positives than negs with Lampard, despite the constraints.

We saw Derby vs Man utd and Chelsea last season, so nobody should tell us Sarri system aids Lampard's. Without Sarri here last season, Lampard would implement his system. Our back four has virtually changed, so not like Lampard feeding off Sarri's sweat of passing from the back.

Let me give you a scenario.If Pochettino was to come in to replace pep at city, we know he has his own system already at Spurs but it's not out of place to say Pep framework will aid him in settling In and implementating his style better unlike him going to replace Simeone at Madrid where he will find it more difficult due to the system already in place. You can't say after just 2 matches that Lampard has already implementated his system which is utterly bullshit not when we are still seeing sarri template. He made few tweaks yes and gave the players more freedom to run with the ball more unlike sarri who is more system oriented. Change of personal doesn't necessarily mean change of system mind you.

airmark:
If you gain say #50 and lose #50, your business will soon shut down. There must be more positives than negs in everything we do. We are already seeing more positives than negs with Lampard, despite the constraints.

We saw Derby vs Man utd and Chelsea last season, so nobody should tell us Sarri system aids Lampard's. Without Sarri here last season, Lampard would implement his system. Our back four has virtually changed, so not like Lampard feeding off Sarri's sweat of passing from the back.

,........

donjazet:
We seem to all forget something very important here.

We're just 2 games into Lampard's tenure and the two opponents we have faced are teams who played very open games, teams who did not just sit back, soak up pressure and hit on the counter, these were big teams who came out to attack there by giving our attackers spaces to run into.

Cast your minds back to previous seasons, we started very well under Sarri, I remember when we played arsenal at home, how everyone raved about the potentials of greatness and bright future the team had. We even went on a decent run of wins.

Our problems appeared when we encountered teams who simply sat back leaving no space behind for attackers to run into.

Don't also forget that AVB'S tenure and scholari's tenure were off to a flying start before the implosions.

I'm not saying we shouldn't have good expectations, but if history is a good indicator, we MUST be cautiously optimistic, and remember that this team has a lot of limitations and inhibitions.

Lampard is fairly new to management, his experience as a manager is very low, before Guardiola, zidane or OGS took reins at their clubs, they already had managerial experiences at various levels. Our defense is as porous and inexperienced as ever.

We have to be cautious in our expectations, only time will tell.

Well said bro. That's why IMO our best line up against teams where we'll have the lion share of the possession and when we'll have the impetus to break their defence down we're better off having a creative player in midfield that's why mount-jorgi-kante is the best option in midfield
We need someone in our midfield who can score and assist, or break a bus with a pass or a strike from range, Kova can’t, Mount can, against the top 6, especially City and Liverpool then sure Kova-Jorgi-Kante, against the majority of teams in the league Mount-Jorgi-Kante should do it.

Mount-Jorgi-Kante in my opinion is our best line up against most teams, bring in Kovacic against the top teams.

NinjaMetahuman:
I don't agree its about any foundation if you had followed some of lampard's game at derby..
Its has always been like that. Go and watch his game against sarri at stamford last season self, he neutralised sarri system and they almost won if not for series of own goals.
Even in the plays offs.

But I agree sarri system did turn kante to something else.

Kante under conte doesn't make foward runs as frequently, But now that he has become expert in that. Thanks to sarri that made him play entire season upfront which gave him chance to sharpen his attacking skills,

Kante looks more dangerous than ever now, both in the attack and still solid the defense.

Nobody said anything about foundation the term I used I was framework in the sense of the term set up, player roles etc. Kante is still being played in an attacking role, jorginho is still the Anchor of the midfield,Pedro still uses the flank runs, kovacic sub for Barkley . the main reason as to why kante looked better against Liverpool than with sarri in same position is because
sarri was too hell bent on 1 touch passing and wouldnt allow players to run with the ball, kante and kovacic’s best attributes are running with the ball, which was curtailed by sarri because he wanted 1-2 touch passing progression which was his biggest flaw last season and not for his players to hold onto the ball and run with it.

Greatihex:
corrected. sarri was more about having the ball, but there was no quick transition to attack. he just wanted his team to move grdually from defence to attack with short passes even when there is an opportunity to go direct. the team did not fully play the way he wanted, because the winners in the team refused to play the way he wanted because they know that it will only end up being like van gaal team

I disagree . Sarri is a more system oriented Coach and Players did not like it, but if it was followed properly the results Would have been deadly (look at Napoli's matches and record in his last year there). The fact is our players where stubborn and needed more freedom which Lampard is doing right now. He allows the players more freedom to express themselves that's why kovacic,Pedro and to some extent Kante are no longer restricted.

popizaino:
Refer to airmark's post for more clarification. I believe he has indirectly countered this with his response to Kimbeast. By the way building from the back didn't start under that chain smoker called Sarri it started way back from Luiz Felipe scolari although there was alteration when guss hindink came but it was later introduced again by RDM during his short spell. Defenders now take better risk even when charged by opposition players with ground sublime passes picking out any of the midfielders and not the usual save option of returning back the ball to the keeper or playing sideways for the full backs as in under that sleep inducing football called Sarriball . Fikayo tomori exhibited this perfectly yesterday, you can watch the match again for quick evidence. The quick interchange and slick movement upfront again has nothing to do with Sarri, the trio of mata, Oscar and hazard were mesmerising us with this for a long time even before the change smoker got his famous napoli job which didn't stop when the former two left. Lastly, judging from this first two games Frank lampard doesn't look inexperienced, tactics, sub, idea transmitted to this players have been spot on so far.

He countered nothing my friend. Don't follow the ignorant dolts on this thread. Look at the set up of our last match under sarri and yesterday against Liverpool. Lampard has copied Sarri exact template in the teams setup. The average position of every player is practically identical, Kante and Jorginho particularly. Not taking away from Frank, but the benefits of having sarri for just one year at Chelsea has aided Lampard's idea of football and in implementating it quicker.

airmark:
Which mumu framework? Was it Sarri that made Lampard to play good football with average Derby County players too?

Thank God I now have a team that could create numerous scoring chances and not playing thousands of short passes with no multiple scoring chances.

Lampard said he would find the best way to use Kante and an half-fit Kante already looking like gold. Emerson is looking like diamond. Our players are now shooting well. You ascribed all these to Sarri?

Framework ko, Woodwork ni.

Again I will tell you what I told Ema. Without sarri it would have taken a long time for lampard to implement his own idea.
Everyone knew kante defensive qualities, but after Sarri he has also shown how he can dominate on the ball. Especially Yesterday his ability to bring the ball forward and not only do tackles was so important for Us. Sarri made the team comfortable playing from the back under pressure which you saw yesterday was very instrumental against Liverpool high press.

Emaprince:
which kind mumu frame work? Like playing kante far up the pitch on the right? And playing Alonso every march even when he was the weakest link in our defence.

Lamps came with his. Give him credit and forget about that smoker

Without sarri it would have taken a long time for lampard to implement his own idea.
Everyone knew kante defensive qualities, but after Sarri he has also shown how he can dominate on the ball. Especially Yesterday his ability to bring the ball forward and not only do tackles was so important for Us. Sarri made the team comfortable playing from the back under pressure which you saw yesterday was very instrumental against Liverpool high press.