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Banter aside Schweinsteiger was a great player.Bastian at his best was a driving force that won the Champions and World Cup.His performance in the 2014 World cup Final will go down in history.

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A40:
Lmaoooo only Jesus can manage this English team at last because I've never seen so many excuses in all my years in this forum.

Capello is a dick head? Eriksson who had wiped every trophy in Italy even taking ordinary Lazio to a Scudetto and winning the Cup Winners Cup is a clueless goat? Same Eriksson that took Benfica to CL Final (would have joined Trappatoni as only coach to win all 3 Major European trophies) only to narrowly lose to Milan is clueless?

England is like an olodo child that doesn't know Maths. Even if you hire Phillip Emegweali to teach him he will still fail and you will say it's his fault and not the olodo child

Capello flopped and was sacked. Sven might just be the worst coach to ever manage England. The definition of Garbage. Only an idiot plays Gerrard and Lampard as partners to hold your midfield.

raumdeuter:
Lets start one after the other. When was Gary Neville ever world class? or Beckham or Ferdinand or Terry. You dont seem to knwo the difference between being a member of a team and having individual class. Thats how you might tell us Arbeloa was world class

Damn are you this biased?. Your judgement is so clouded.

The golden generation certainly failed, but it almost certainly wasn't down to a lack of talent or players being overrated. It's down to shoddy management and stupid coaches hence Rooney is correct. It's not just about only Guardiola,give that team to Ferguson, Mourinho even Lippi back then and see them dominate.

raumdeuter:
Who managed them badly? Was it Sven Eriksen McLaren or Capello or Hodgson. When 4 different coaches managed a side and none could make a semi, even failed to qualify for Euros. Isnt it time you agree that they are mediocre

From 2002-2006 England had G.Neville, Ferdinand, Campbell, John Terry, Ashley Cole, Gerrard, Scholes (retired 2004) Beckham, Lampard, Rooney and Owen. All those players were world class at some point between 2002-2006 and other good players like Carragher, Hargreaves and Joe Cole. individually it was a great team. The talent was not lacking, all it needed was good management.

A40:
Never in the history of niggerdom have I not seen a bad worker man blame his tools.

Guardiola my left nut. When England hired Capello nko what happened? Nobody get time for all these kanipe talk

Didn't Brazil win the World Cup with Scolari aka Papa Ajasco some years back. France with Aime Jacquet who the French wanted to chase out of their country prior to the tournament? Abi Roger Lemerre.

Abeg spare these excuses. Isn't it the same Pep that hasn't led City past CL quarterfinal? What's the guarantee he would do diddly squat with England and their over hyped squad?

Capello flopped because he was dick headed manager and by the time he was in charge England no longer had most it's golden generation.Sven who was a clueless Goat that just picked players base on reputation was the one who mis managed England. if England didn't have a manager who was a 4-4-2 slave and could find a system to fit Lampard, Gerrard and scholes together they would have won something. I repeat again the golden generation had a fantastic defence, a solid goalkeeper, amazing midfielders (so many in fact that it created a problem because the coaches wanted them all in there and the balance was off) and very good strikers. Give them a good manager and it would have been a different story.

A40:
Lmaoooo Ashley Cole over Lahm? Lmaoooooooooo

As at 2006 who the feck was lahm for dayo to put him over Ashley Cole in a combined eleven.

A40:
Who dash Ashley Cole best Left back in the game?

Rio and Terry best defenders in the game? Why do you people believe English hype this much.

Gary Neville Lmaoooo

Beckham, Lampard and Scholes were inferior to the Zidane's, Pirlos, Xavis, Schweinsteigers etc

Go and check the history of football. It is literally impossible for you to see an assortment of 'World class' that recorded this much failure international tournament after international tournament.

How can supposed talent in such high concentration fail to get past the quarterfinals of any major tournament as a collective? Go and check and show me one team in football history with that many good players from defense to attack who didn't just fail to win a major tournament but couldn't even get past quarterfinal in multiple tries. It means a significant number of them were hyped

None of England golden generation was hyped. Their were all genuine world class players who underperformed due to bad Management. That have been my stance hence Rooney saying with a proper manager like Guardiola they would have dominated, which is a valid statement. England didn't suffer from lack of talent /players but lack of good management.

popizaino:
Useless player that Carrick / Alonso were always dominating in the midfield whenever we play united or Liverpool then.

I was hyped back then during his signing.
The only thing he ever did well at Leverkusen was
trademark late run into the box to score goals but the only thing he offered us was Disaster class upon disaster class. Rubbish player

raumdeuter:
Dislike him all you want, I dislike Ballack too for leaving Bayern

You cannot take it from someone who took Leverkusen to a CL final and one of the worst Germany in 2002 to a world cup final

I told you before a 2 season sunshine player. The fool was even hyped once to be better than Zidane. What else did he apart from those seasons? My friend call him poor man Deco Bwhahahaha.

raumdeuter:
Nesta was the defensive lynchpin of Lazio when he played alongside Paolo Negro, Guiseppe Pancaro Fernando Couto and won the serie A ahead of AC Milan, Juventus, Inter Milan

That back 4 can you list their age to at that time to know the load Nesta carried in that defence

Defensively maybe but that Lazio team was no walk over. Veron, Mihajlovic, Nedved, Simeone & Stankovic to name a few. It was a great team.

popizaino:
And so on the bolded?

Where is the ucl trophy to show for this?
Where is the world cup trophy to show for all this? Carry your ballack hype go one side and don't shove it down our throats.

When I saw ballack I almost puked. Who the feck is ballack.

spillo1:
People seem to value defenders if they're all about 'getting stuck in' more of a Vidic than a Ferdinand type of defenders. Defenders that like tackles

I think it takes more talent and reading of the game to keep your shorts clean not dive in or make rash decisions etc. Like Ferdinand.

Rio was world class.He did it on the European stage repeatedly, even while he was at Leeds he performed well in Europe.

For me, he was better than Vidic, better than Terry, better than Carvalho. Best defender in the PL and best English defender too.

Like I told you in the United thread Terry didn't play Golf.

spillo1:
i don't think Nesta was significantly better than Rio. Did Nesta ever show consistency over the course of an entire league?

Nesta reached an higher peak but was Injury prone. Playing with Stam and maldini also helped.

raumdeuter:
There is nothing like peak Rio, All what you saw was Vidic doing the work. There was a season Rio was injured for most of it and Man Utd team didnt even miss him and still won the title

What a ridiculous statement which makes me believe you hardly saw a prime Ferdinand.The closest thing to a classic Italian defender. Composed, intelligent, calm, elegant, fast, athletic. You didn't watch United from 2006-09. I hated the idiot.

raumdeuter:
This comment just showed who you are in football and how limited your knowledge is

Best midfielder in a CL. Best midfielder in a world cup, A player Ferguson was begging with captain band is the same one you are talking about in the same sentence as those overrated English pieces of shitt

Won those awards in his 2 seasons of sunshine. Came to my club and did Jack shitt. There is nothing I don't know about ballack.

raumdeuter:
There is nothing like peak Rio, All what you saw was Vidic doing the work. There was a season Rio was injured for most of it and Man Utd team didnt even miss him and still won the title

Bwhahahaha Peak Rio produced the two best defensive performances under Fergie against Barca with Wes Brown as partner. You don't know anything.

popizaino:
They were useless because they never had good manager.

Exactly my point. They underachieved because of lack of a good manager not because of poor players.

raumdeuter:
Tell us with clear eye that Terry Rio was better than Canavaro and Nesta. Which stupid Rio Terry partnership?

Who the Bleep is Ballack? Guy if you no watch football no dey yarn dust here

Yes who the fffuuck is Ballack. 2 season wonder and a serial loser.

raumdeuter:
Tery and Rio were not the best in their position, Their club defensive partners were the best in their position

Peak Rio (06-09) No defender in EPL History that was better than that version of him. Vidic and Carvalho were monster defenders but Terry and Ferdinand gelled the whole defense together and lifted the teams entire defensive system. Stop being biased

raumdeuter:
Lahm was a better left back than Cashley Cole ever was. Rio Terry partnership was so useless that they couldnt even qualify for the Euro 2008.

Tell who will you bench Ballack for

Stop with the disrespect England underachieved doesn't mean meltz will break the Rio and terry partnership. Who the Bleep is ballack seriously . The only thing lahm had over Cole was consistency.

BlueRayDick:
But the supposed England super squad players are not the best whatever position you assigned them you claimed in your initial post na?

Why was ur best left back in the game?

I asked you for what metrics u used in assigning the positions u are turning amala.

Are you alright? Terry and Ferdinand were not the best in their position or Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard,Owen,becks,Rooney etc just stop. If the only thing you do is go to Google and look at Wikipedia then forget about it.

raumdeuter:
Italy and England
Buffon, Zambrotta Cannavaro Nesta Cashley Pirlo Gattuso Lampard Gerrard Rooney Totti

Grosso, Toni, Materazzi, Perotta, Camorensi, Zambrotta and Gattuso all started in the final . None of them were better than the players England had in those positions - Gattuso is the only one for which this could even be debatable.

raumdeuter:
Lehman, Lahm Metzelder Rio, Hargreaves Frings Ballack Gerrard Lampard Klose Rooney

Andy Cole over lahm no debate, Nobody is breaking Terry and Rio partnership and seriously ballack

BlueRayDick:
[s] See when you say best left back, best right back...etc. you have to put a time frame to it. We are talking pre-2006 and 2006 here.

Bellow is FIFPRO XI 2005/2006 and 2006/2007 respectively. Count the England players there and count the Italians there. [/s]

We are talking about the England team.

raumdeuter:
Pick anyone of Italy France, Portugal Germany Holland Argentina Brazil Spain

Ok Germany and England. Do a combined 11.

raumdeuter:
You have swallowed too much of the English media hype

Lahm was playing Left back around that time and better than Cashley

Rio and Terry? Lol both were carried by better partners in their clubs. The main defenders were Carvalho and Vidic

Gary Neville I watched his career from the beginning, he was fortunate to be part of a good squad, he was what Arbeloa was to the Spanish winning team. On skills as a RB in the current EPL there would be 7 RBs better than him never mind all time. (TAA, current Azpi, Walker, Cancelo, Bissaka, Bellerin, plus any random RB) Truth be told, G Neville was just like Victor Moses

Beckham face of football, Shey na face dem dey take play ball ni?

When was Rooney best young player in the world? I mean which year?, where was C.Ronaldo at that time?

Joke Cole? Shey dat one na player? He was just like Lallana or Townsend

Bwhahahaha you have started. No need to pick players randomly.
Let's go into details and compare. Pick a team from the 2006 world let's compare Man for man with England

BlueRayDick:
Okay what metrics do you use in arriving at the fact they have more talent?

There is Luca Toni that finished highest goal scorer in the serie A with 31 goals leading Italy's attack vs Wayne Rooney that scored 16 in the Epl.

Baba forget that thing. There was nothing special about that England team as at that time. You are only looking back at what some of the players later achieved hence why u think they are shiii back then

Mbappe going to world cup 2018 was special talk less of Rooney back then in 2006 man please stop tripping. Man for man England was better than most teams in that tournament,poor management and bad luck was their downfall.

BlueRayDick:
Okay since you decided to do a Terry/Ferdiand tag team, i put it to you cannavarro is better than either of them.

By the way, u are drifting away from the main discuss which is the fact that Italy had a more balanced team. They had decent players in each position on the Field. Their strikers aren't firing blanks, their defenders don't allow you breathing space and their midfield contains all your firepower in the middle.

That's what wins you trophies. England never had that.

The point I was making is that England had the players and talent but not the coach/Management. Then I showed you teams with less talent than England that achieved more during that tournament and Period.

BlueRayDick:
Baba u are tripping. The Italian team thay paraded Materazzi and Cannavaro doesn't have players better than John Terry and Ferdinand?

Even Pirlo is better than Carrick....abeg. Buffoon and Robinson

Kai!

Did I mention pirlo,buffon and cannavaro .

Seriously Materazzi better than Ferdinand/Terry

Kimbeast:
If you look at the Italian team that won the World Cup. Grosso, Toni, Materazzi, Perotta, Camorensi, Zambrotta and Gattuso all started in the final . None of them were better than the players England had in those positions - Gattuso is the only one for which this could even be debated. The talent they had was insane, its a shame the coaching decisions were very poor. The only team head and shoulders above England in terms of players was France and even then their best player was already Old. Just to drive my point home here's the four semi-finalists from 2006. Its glaringly obvious that 3 of these teams were not as talented on paper as the England team from that period was.

A40:
Generation of hype

Who do you feel was hyped?

Ashley Cole, best left back in the game.

Rio/Terry 2 of the best center backs in the game.

Gary Neville, arguably the Premier League’s best ever right-back.

Scholes/Gerrard/Lampard – 3 of the best midfielders in the game.

Beckham the face of football at that time.

Rooney best young player in the world that time.

Squad players like Michael Carrick/Joe Cole