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but the money paid for the RORs still return to the church?

I don't think whether people pay for it should be the issue at all. Unless, there is mismanagement or embezzlement of church funds.
Cos it's simple, the church prints RORs, Spending money in the process; if particular church members then want to make it free for everyone, and they can pay for it, i don't see a crime.

texazzpete:
Why not insist that the word 'Christian' be excised from 'The Redeemed Christian Church of God'? How can any sane, educated person come out here to say that another man's religion is 'divisive'? Where is the tolerance we Christians fling about as our greatest virtue? You might as well go and demand that the word 'Islam' be forbidden in Nigeria.

The Banking system is Islamic Banking. None of the banks practising this will have the words 'islamic' in their name.

FIRST, i NEVER SAID ANY RELIGION IS DIVISIVE. I SAID INSERTING A RELIGION IN A BODY THAT'S EXPECTED TO BE SECULAR IS OBVIOUSLY (JUST FROM NL POSTS ALONE) DIVISIVE. especially when it contravenes the Act establishing Banks and Financial institutions in Nigeria
second, RCCG IS A RELIGIOUS BODY, IT IS ALLOWED TO HAVE A RELIGIOUS CONNOTATION.
third,DID YOU READ THE POST TITLE AT ALL? IT SAYS "JAIZ ISLAMIC BANK". I DON'T THINK IT'LL KILL ANYONE FOR THE SYSTEM TO BE REFERRED TO AS NON-INTEREST BANKING AS SOLUDO'S INITIAL PLAN SHOWS.

I have a question though
Assuming any of these banks enters financial distress, will it be eligible for a bail out from any public institution i.e. CBN,AMCON?

I believe it to be very possible. Apparently Sweetnecta does too. WHat he queries is the man's islamic background; saying it was lukewarm etc

Sweetnecta, you are funny o

She said she would be happier for her to be known as the mother of an armed robber than to be a mother of a Christian. Pandemonium broke out in the Emir’s palace. My brother took a knife and slashed my fingers and burnt my right hand and the five fingers were almost burnt completely. In the confusion that followed, someone ripped open my stomach with a knife and I ended up being thrown into a well. But Jesus was waiting for me. I was miraculously rescued from that well and the same Churches and Christians that I persecuted took care of me and later sent me to Port Harcourt because of severe persecution.

AND YOU CLAIM THEY ALLOWED HIM TO LIVE?
SO WHAT WILL THEY HAVE DONE IF THEY WANTED HIM TO DIE?

Not likely the story is true. but i have wondered what bond they have, because of the kind of opposition there was to her re-appointment yet GEJ against his percieved gentility remained adamant.

I'm a Christian but i'm almost absolutely certain that the interview was a fabrication. Truth is IBB and Atiku have more to gain from a united Nigeria than a broken one.

THIS IS THE ISSUE MANY OF US HAVE WITH THE TERM 'ISLAMIC BANKING'. IT IS DIVISIVE. JUST ON AN ONLINE PORTAL SUCH AS THIS, ARGUEMENTS AND INSULTS ARE CROPPING UP. IN A DELICATE COUNTRY SUCH AS NIGERIA WHERE THERE IS A TERRORIST GROUP OPERATING ALLEGEDLY UNDER ISLAM, ONE WILL WONDER WHY THE WORD "ISLAMIC" HAS TO BE THERE.

ISn't that against the act establishing banks? i seem to remember hon bitrus kaze publishing the act sometimes back.

In compliance with a House resolution requiring him to clarify the cash withdrawal limit and the Islamic banking policy, Sanusi Lamido Sanusi the Governor, Central Bank of Nigeria (the CBN Governor) appeared on the floor of the House of Reps on Thursday 21st July, 2011. He had a field day courtesy the Deputy Speaker, Rt Hon Emeka Ehedioha who while presiding, shielded him from being asked questions. I concur with two respected colleagues cum principal officers among others, the Rt. Hons Femi Gbajabiamila and Samson Osagie who described the Deputy Speaker’s conduct as “an error of judgment” as well as “a blunder” (Thisday & Leadership 22nd July, 2011). This breach of our privileges is reminiscent of the Dimeji Bankole era when those opposed to the views of presiding officers were shut out if not manhandled.
It becomes imperative to invoke the fundamental rights of a Nigerian citizen guaranteed irrevocably under Section 39(1) of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria (CFN 1999 as amended) to bring to focus serious reservations over the Islamic banking policy which unfortunately were aggravated by the CBN Governor’s monologue on the floor of the House.

The CBN Governor’s repeated reference to some countries including Britain, USA, South Africa, Kenya and Malaysia where he claimed Sharia Banking is in operation is premised on the wrong presumption that since these non-Islamic countries operate Islamic banking, non-Muslim Nigerians ought not to question it. The Nigerian nation, unlike any of these nations is exceedingly sensitive on matters bothering on religion and ethnicity. The framers of CFN 1999 had this in mind hence Section 14(3) which provides that “The composition of the Government of the Federation or any of its agencies and the conduct of its affairs shall be carried out in such a manner as to reflect the federal character of Nigeria and the need to promote national unity, and also to command national loyalty, thereby ensuring that there shall be no predominance of persons from a few State or from a few ethnic or other sectional groups in that Government or in any of its agencies.”

The Fundamental Objectives and Directive Principles of State Policy in Section 16(d) of the CFN 1999 as amended provides that the State shall “without prejudice to the right of any person to participate in areas of the economy within the major sector of the economy, protect the right of every citizen to engage in any economic activities outside the major sectors of the economy” (bold & underline provided).

The guidelines issued by the Sanusi Lamido Sanusi led CBN states that “A Non-Interest Financial Institution (NIFI) means a bank or Other Financial Institution (OFI) under the purview of the Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN), which transacts banking business, engages in trading, investment and commercial activities as well as the provision of financial products and services in accordance with Sharia principles and rules of Islamic commercial jurisprudence.” The Glossary of Terms of the CBN’s NIFI Framework defines Sharia principles as “the divine guidance as given by the Holy Qur’an and the Sunnah of the Holy Prophet and embodies all aspects of the Islamic faith, including beliefs and practices.”

Pork for example, is a delicacy and a major revenue earner in my constituency. The Brewery Agro-Research Company, Zallaki near Jos (though now moribund) became renowned for providing huge employment opportunities through Pork production. An Islamic banking system which prohibits any Pork related businesses, will exclude my constituents from pursuing a legitimate economic activity in breach of their constitutional rights to engage in any economic activity. Section 1(3) of CFN 1999 as amended provides that “If any other law is inconsistent with the provisions of this Constitution, this Constitution shall prevail, and that other law shall, to the extent of the inconsistency, be void.”

The Bank and Other Financial Institutions Act as amended (BOFIA) on which the guidelines are hinged, was originally enacted into law in 1991 as a decree promulgated by the Gen Babangida administration, the CBN Governor then was Alh Abubakar Ahmed, both were committed Muslims. Section 37(1)(a) of BOFIA prohibit banks and financial institutions from using names that project any religion, this was necessitated at that time because of the intense heat the country was thrown into (as is the case now) over Nigeria's membership of the Organization of Islamic Countries.

Prof Charles Soludo, whose policies including the removal of Arabic scripts from our currency have been reversed, may have “approved” CBN’s membership of Islamic Financial Services Board. However, it is Sanusi Lamido Sanusi who without any recourse to National Assembly, approved controversial operational guidelines so heavily injected with the “Islamic” dose and at the peak of the terror of the Boko Haram sect who incidentally are equally seeking to enforce the same “Sharia principles.” The expressions “Islamic” and “Sharia” are the chief offensive labels that have triggered and sustained fierce antagonism against this lopsided policy. The CBN Governor was definitely economical with the truth when he pretended that “Islamic banking is just a name” (Daily Trust 22nd July, 2011).

The Islamic banking policy is inextricably rooted in the Islamic religion which is the blood upon which it thrives. In all intends and purpose, the CBN Governor’s attempt “to remove the product from religion” (Thisday 24th July, 2011) cannot be honest, it is an attempt to remove blood from the human system or to remove fish from water. It cannot survive! Islamic banking is an exclusive religious product explicitly hinged on Sharia law; no amount rhetoric can change this fact. It does not matter how many countries operate Islamic banking, as long as it is in conflict with the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, it remains unconstitutional. Notwithstanding huge public outcry, the zeal with which the CBN Governor has continued to campaign for the enforcement his Sharia Banking agenda is unequalled in our history; it is enough ground to hold his motives suspect. It amounts to a conflict of interest for him to be the lawmaker, regulator as well as the chief marketer of the Islamic banking system all at once. The allegation that he has allowed his personal interest to influence his official conduct in my considered view is very well founded.

Had the presiding officer put the question, I would have dutifully voted against Islamic banking so that posterity will record me as such.





Hon. Bitrus B. Kaze is a member of the House of Representatives

WHy can't they reduce the size and sell it for 50?
Reminds me of when biscuit went up to N10/ N15 for two, when they could have just removed one stick from the pack?

na them sabi joor

THey should haVE even stoned him sef with pure water and the likes.

I think Saworo'ide.
the movie has it's own soundtracks, had folk songs, generally depicted an age/era where nigeria was several years before the movie was produced. Even the storyline- people's power/covenant with their government is arguably the best i've seen in the world when it comes to the people and government.
THere has been no movie like that movie

OP,
What constitutes a 'best' accent?

agbanila- the saviour or deliverer=Messiah

if you drink, stop.
PLay games like sudoku etc that keep your brain active.
Eat very balanced diet and fruits.

Well, while admitting that FFK is an attention seeker , some people have commented that based on the stuff presented in court, the was insufficient evidence to convict al mustapha of murder.
Of course, we all know that Al mustapha's complicit in the murder, just that the prosecution did not prove it beyond reasonable doubt in the courtroom.[b][/b]

wow! really nice.
No way we are moving this to games section. sometimes we should just have lovely things such as this. thanks naijajive!

emiye:
i don't think this is right, if not Andy Uba of anambra state should have taken over from Peter Obi after Obi's first term

The election that produced andy uba was illegal, the governorship seat that was contested for was not vacant or about to be vacant, Obi and his party did not particpate in the election and they went to court on these grounds and won.

YOUR LAST POINT DOESN'T NEED AN ANSWER. IT IS THE VERY MOCKERY OF YOUR FAITH
Boko Haram has been bombing churches, Has any christian bombed a mosque? Yet Jesus was not practical
Pope JOhn Paul was shot by a person but he went to visit the same person in jail? Yet Jesus was not practical
Jesus asks you to forgive your enemies and offenders, Moh'd asks you to catch and kill them; Yet Jesus was not Practical
Jesus asks you to love your neighbor as your self, and Yet JEsus was not Practical
Have you not heard about the MOther THeresas, WEsley Brothers, MArtin Luther Kings; people literally changing the world, Yet LagosShia, a presumed sane mind, says JEsus did not offer solutions to the world's problems?
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I COuld go on and on, but i think a normal brain would have seen his foolery by now!
Again i truly didn't expect that You'd ever think to raise questions about the integrity of Jesus Christ when the actions of Mohammed do not even conform to basic human right standards in todays world

Finally
As i have once told you,
FAR MORE INTELLIGENT, INFLUENTIAL, POWERFUL , DEVOTED PEOPLE HAVE SOUGHT TO BRING DOWN THE BIBLE AND THE PERSON OF JESUS FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS, NO BOOK HAS EVER BEEN AS CRITICALLY SCRUTINIZED, BRAZENLY ATTACKED AND LITERALLY DESTROYED AS THE BIBLE YET IT REMAINS, THE WORD OF GOD CONTINUES TO SPREAD RAPIDLY, HIS GOVERNMENT HAS KNOWN CONTINOUS INCREASE. [color=#990000][/color]You will only fan the flame of God's word by your endless display of ignorance and at best waste your own time!

C'est fini!

on Jesus refusing to heal a child; Jesus quoted an adage. the place he went to (tyre and sidon) were not even part of the so called israel, it was part of the 'dog' area AND WE KNOW ANYWHERE HE WENT HE WAS DOING GOOD, so if he didn't intend to heal the child, no pressuring would have done made him do it.
Teaching us to love satan- this is literally to stupid to elicit a response from me
On divorce: that is exactly what should happen. couples should remain together and resolve their differences. they were once compatible, whatever decompatibilized them must go. SO that's the excuse you people use for dumping women when you are tired of them? no longer compatible? or cannot bear each other?
That he went to be tempted- i have a question for you? where can you ever go that you will not be tempted?
On the burial of father- If the man's pop had died, he'd be preoccupied with burial arrangements; but he wanted to wait till the old man kicked the bucket before following Jesus, No time for that! that's the cost of following Jesus. nothing insensitive there and to prove that, since you are fast becoming a bible head knowledge guru, you should have no difficulty finding the place where Peter's mum-in-law was sick and JEsus went to the house and healed the woman. so Jesus is not saying you should ignore family and friends, you just must do what is essential at the essential time!
Jesus Prioritised himself over the poor? this would have been tragic if it wasn't so annoying- after reading through the gospels LAgosShia, YOu can open your mouth to say JEsus ever prioritised himself OVER the poor? Not fair! even for your low standards! a man close to his death being annointed with perfume prioritising himself over the poor? WAs he to reject the woman's repentant offering? ( and you'd raise queries if that happened) this point really shows the kind of person you are. a heartless desperate fanatic. SERIOUSLY, HOW CAN YOU EVER EVEN THINK THAT?

four had u read verse 16, you'd have known that they were really doing a foolish thing, but then in your blind desperation, you wouldn't have noticed. if by your definition, being a great person requires you not to say the truth it is unpalatable, then continue then; but don't think anyone is less because he does the right thing
five and six together i really wonder HOW you read the bible, because the question you have raised was exactly the point of that scripture and it was thoroughly explained. If a HE came to carry the sins of the world, and recieves a sentence of a curse that he may redeem you and me, and carries the filth of that sin, How do you expect the father who is of purer eyes that cannot behold iniquity to be with him? please read that scripture again and feel very bad at your silliness. IT's so plain in that scripture i'm getting angrier each letter i type
point seven unfortunately for you, JEsus was not a robot, he felt every single pain that was inflicted upon him, if being honest about your feelings yet subjecting yourself to the will of Him that sent you is wrong; I don't want to be right! i think that's one of the issues with you guys, you think the outward is totally what matters; in your thinking, you'd have preferred that Jesus kept his feeling to himself- that is what has led to the suppression of people in the islam world, many cannot even dare to ask questions about what they are forced to believe in; all you people care about is looking perfect even when all is wrong!

This is the last topic i expected LagosShia to ever raise. For someone whose "prophet" reeks of so much unmentionable practices; whose lifestyle doesn't reflect a man of integrity, character or even proper moral sense ( the man had so many female companions in one lifetime! for heavens sake!), attempting to poke elsewhere is simply pathetic!
In your[b] First point[/b], even according to your post, the first word there is DEAR yet you dare mention rudeness?
your second point teaching properly is veiling the truth abi? Peter had a name, infact two names; why on earth would satan be added to those? only if you were a bit smarter, you'd know that satan is a spirit (not the type that you people throw physical stones at in Saudi) and can seek to use human beings? On being physical, incase you don't know, it means contact with somebody, there is no record in that scripture that Jesus touched anyone.
third point you didn't see the part where the owner will ask why the colt was being taken, will recieve the answer and SEND THEM RIGHT AWAY-CONSENT? are you even educated dude!!!!

@ LAgosSHIa
i agree with judek's first post that had a clear map. are u okay now?

Security oufit has been restored to Wada and he's currently the one occupying the govt house in kogi state. INEC stated that he (WAda) should be sworn in.

LagosShia:
Joagbaje said the place is outside Jerusalem

Judek said it could be within or outside.

the question again is where exactly.the bible states the name of the place but does not describe the location.

so please tell us.

So how about simply googling the name of the place ?? ; that seems to be the reasonable thing to do for anyone conducting genuine research.

LagosShia:
well,if they dont know because the bible didnt tell them,they should just be honest and straightforward,make an apology and tell us directly that they dont know.

but if they are able to locate the place the bible named as the site their jewish god was allegedly killed,then please they should tell us where.

i think they know the location.so far my only problem is the conflicting report Joagbaje and Judek have given.the former said the place is outside Jerusalem while the latter said it could be in Jerusalem or outside.

so let them find out for us since we are not christians and inform us.

i am waiting for the answer so that we can proceed in this thread.the thread has dragged on for too long.

I think you need to find out what an "apology" is. you really need to

Logic Mind:
Christians don dey shake in front of a pedo-worshipper. Soldiers of christ. hahaha
Can't even get 4 of you to do a simple confirmation of where your lord was killed.
I really want to know where lagosshitter is going with this so please be brave and answer.

SHake for What? Judek2 clearly quoted scripture addressing the question. what can anyone add to scripture?
when he's ready, he 'll say what he wants to say, and as usual be proven wrong, then he'll desperately hang on to non issues and still be proven wrong and then he'll begin to insult people. it's a cycle we've seen over and over.
The act's simply getting boring

frosbel has just given up on LagosShia.

@OP, if you have a point to make, do so; that 5 Christians need to confirm is not needed. The bible has been quoted.

BetaThings:
Correction
Echocho won PDP primary
Amaechi also worn PDP primary
None of the two had their names submitted to INEC
The only difference is that there was a 2nd primary election in Kogi which purported to nullify Echocho's mandate
There was no 2nd primary election in the case of Amaechi

the election was conducted more than 90 days after the Primary Echocho won. So he has no mandate, and unless a fresh election is going to be conducted in Kogi state, Wada remains the authentic candidate of the pdp, because he won the second primary; and National PDP recognises him as their candidate.

violent:
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lwkmd

i raised this some months back but i guess nothing came out of it, a lot of debates spring up on politics section everyday that could be solved by just one accurate quote of the relevant documents; in property we see landlord/tenant issues. and i think if musicians can have a section, medical people have health, programmers( can you imagine the ojoro ? ) lawyers should have theirs.

allison2:
D Cj of federation has nullify swearing of Idiris  Wada. Kogi State there are issues 1. Cj should go to court get an order. B4 sack Wada 2. Speaker can not be sworn in when there is elective Governor 3. Chocho has good case to be the governor. Kogi is next legal dream to see.

Echocho has no case.
He didn't stand for election in April, he only won pdp pry
HE bought the ticket for the last pry, scored 1 vote; he shouldn't have participated at all if he didn't approve
HE lost the last pry, unlike amaechi who won his but was edged out, therefore he cannot be said to be the authentic pdp candidate.
Kogi has suffered sha

Acidosis:
That mad man is the new governor. But what hould will expect from a governor who was once reffered to UCH due to madness, who later fled the premises of the hospital without completing his treatment. Oh God! I weep for my fellow Kogites. we are yet to experience good governance since the past 13yrs. so sad. . .

to refer to a 25 year veteran in aviation is quite unfair. it's public knowledge that pilots undergo regular mental checkup; if he was sane enough to fly planes full of people, then he's sane enough to stand for an election. whether he has the competence to govern a state is entirely another gist

OAM4J:
Premium Times @PremiumTimesng

The drama in Kogi is becoming more interesting. Chief judge refuses to swear in Idris Wada. President, customary court of appeal did
https://twitter.com/PremiumTimesng/status/162911908805087232


Premium Times @PremiumTimesng

Attorney General of the Federation says Speakers should take over in the five states affected by Supreme Court Judgment
https://twitter.com/PremiumTimesng/status/162913214223482880


Premium Times @PremiumTimesng

AGF Adoke nullifies swearing in of Idris Wada in Kogi, says Speaker should take over,

https://twitter.com/PremiumTimesng/status/162918949850329088

YOU WERE RIGHT. WHY THEY SHOULD CONDUCT FRESH ELECTIONS IS BEYOND ME THOUGH.

which one is premium times NG?
reminds me of osun defenders during the 2011 elections
Because all other media houses are reporting that Wada was sworn in by the chief judge