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Wilgrea7:
Apologies for the incredibly late response



Thank you for taking your time to respond. I'll try to address as many points as possible. If I miss something, feel free to draw my attention to it.



I agree that marriage is a human invention. But to say that sexual reproduction in and of itself, was not established by this "God" seems clearly untrue. The biblical story says Adam and Eve were created by God. And that includes their reproductive organs as well. To state that Adam established such reproduction instead of God simple doesn't hold. Even further, Adam is clearly instructed by said God to "go into the world and multiply".



While I find your answer interesting, it seems to clearly deviate from the topic at hand and talk about something else. I understand the Christian concept of being the spiritual child of God. But that isn't what this is about. This is about people who believe in hell and the words of christ concerning hell, and still choosing to bring more hell-bound people into the world.

You said people who have children aren't doing the work of God, but instead violating their own bodies. In that case, would you have children? Would you encourage other christians to become celibate?

The way to salvation has been clearly described by your Jesus as narrow. Meaning only very few will find it, and the majority will go to hell. So statistically speaking, even if every single person in the world were christian, and had children, the vast majority of those people, as well as their children would eventually end up in hell.

If such a thing is to be the case, then why not cut out the need for redemption altogether by not involving the unborn in the "sin" that comes along with birth?

Nelidee:


Oh now you are hoping that he becomes free from his organisation right? But you were arguing with me pages back not to talk about his organisation or point fingers at his organisation.

Now that you have had your civil discussion with him, you are now hoping that he can be free isn't it? You even went further to say you know he is not saved. How do you know he is not saved? I thought you said God has his people scattered in different denominations and we shouldn't point fingers?

Even when I told you that I grew up as a witness and I literally know EVERYTHING about them, including information rank and file witnesses like the one you were arguing with doesn't know, you still felt I should not point fingers.

So now let me ask you, have you been able to convince him of the truth found in the bible? Did he understand any of your explanation? How did the discussion go? Was it meaningful or was it a total waste of your time and energy?

Next time, when someone gives you advice based on experience learn how to listen, understand and accept that advice.

No Member of Jehovah's witness will listen to anything you say no matter how truthful your explanation is because....THEY GIVE EXCLUSIVE DEVOTION TO THEIR ORGANISATION rather than giving exclusive devotion to GOD AND HIS WORD THE BIBLE. Their organisation has blinded and brainwashed them to believe that THEY ARE THE ONLY ORGANISATION ON EARTH THAT GOD APPROVES. In other words if you are not a member, God will kill you. Think about that deeply!

The only way a Member of Jehovah's witnesses can understand real truth from Gods word is if he/she...

1. Leave the Organisation that continuously brainwashes them and feeds them lies.

2. Humble themselves to learn real truth in the bible

Like I said, God is pulling people out of that organisation that has turned them to brainwashed slaves, same way he pulled me out and since He did, I now have a deeper understanding of this scripture:

Mark 9:38-40


This scripture made me realise the lies of organisations, groups or denominations that if you are not one of their member or you do not accompany with them, Then God will kill you.

Truth doesn't cage a person. It sets the person free.

John 8:31-32

Techobeys:
Mr Prosper, I believe there’s good inside of your soul. You’re not like these other darkened souls, there’s an iota of light inside of you so I need you to think critically of everything you say and how you behave pls.

For the record, I didn’t say other religions don’t get paid. You all have the same masters who pay you to divide the people with unbiblical theories. I just mentioned that with its self righteous stance, JW organisation should have known better than to be used and get paid like an harlot.

I’m a bonafide member of my fellowship and I can boast that the government of this world doesn’t pay us. Everything we have is by grace so we don’t need to adjust our doctrine to suit government policies. And if by any chance my fellowship also gets paid, the truth is salvation is a personal walk. The fact that I’m a member of a fellowship doesn’t mean I’ll carry it on my head over the message of Christ. Any day my fellowship starts to preach unbiblical theories, that’s the day I’ll leave bc my fidelity is not unto them but to the truth.

Everyone knows that gift corrupts innocence, it’s just shameful that JW that claims to be the portal of heaven is being paid by the government like a harlot.

Also, Jesus didn’t seek attention. If you’re doing the work of God, fame, honour and peace will find you. That’s natural. I mentioned that JW loves attention and it seeks attention with all diligence, and that’s mentally degrading.

And pls, let’s change the subject. Why did you wait for me and MR mAx to finish our discussion before you started yours? Are you all working together to frustrate teachers of the truth? Is this like a gang up of demonic entities? Let’s change the conversation pls. This is getting boring

MaxInDHouse:
"By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Matthew 7:16-18

Think about what Jesus said most especially the highlighted in red, a group that has helped millions of imperfect people throughout the world to become zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word without attending any of the world's theology schools can never ever be wrong!

The fruit of God's Holy Spirit is LOVE JOY PEACE PATIENCE KINDNESS GOODNESS GENTLENESS FAITH MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL! Galatians 5:22-23

Only Jehovah's Witnesses organization can boast of this fruit globally.
Members are easygoing and we'll behaved in the society so if you say Satan knows how to quote the Bible remember that Jesus beat Satan in quoting God's word and what more?
Satan was quoting without presenting any works of faith {James 2:18-26} but Jesus quotes and presented a group of people performing accordingly! Matthew 12:46-50

So if you can't back what you're saying with the scriptures don't hide behind Satan we know you don't have the Holy Spirit {Luke 12:12} in fact you're sinning against God's Holy Spirit because that's what can speak through imperfect human like me to point out what is right and wrong backing it up with the scriptures! Matthew 12:32

Dtruthspeaker:
The Bible did not say "burned to ash [/b]and [b]shall fade away" this is you adding to the Bible.

But the Bible did say in the Revelation 14:11 that "they have no rest day nor night, just as Satan too would have no rest with them in the same fire.

Dtruthspeaker:
Matthew 25:41
“Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;

And since you admit that Satan will live there tormented day and night then you recognise that whatever happens to Satan must happen to those people with him in the fire as Revelation has already told us.

Dtruthspeaker:
That is why I keep telling people they do not know God. Impossibility and powerlessness is only confined to man. And you are not God of plants and wood and fire therefore there is a limit to your power.

But this is not so with God. Dry bones, dusts, stones, mountains, rivers etc all live at the sound of His Voice.

So, you should expect that it is not beyond His Power when He Says ashes shall live "in everlasting torment having no rest day and night,"

Nelidee:
Exposing evil and calling it out for what it is will do no good? I disagree.

This is a Public Forum. Anyone who is not satisfied in learning in a public forum were anyone is free to say what is in their heart can logout, go offline and discuss with real people in private.

And Sorry, it is not you I am to trust but God's word the bible and His word commands me to expose evil when I see it and not be a partaker of it.

Has exposing done any good with regards to the JW Organisation?

The answer is Yes. There are people who view these threads, a lot of them guests. Some have absolutely no idea the History of JW, their false failed prophecies and numerous information that the leaders of the organisation don't want even their own members to know.

When they see these arguments or discussion online, they will be forced to do more research rather than blindly join an organisation that pretends to teach truth from the bible. Some JW members read these discussions, do research and have their eyes opened to the kind of organisation they belong and they leave.

So you can't tell me or stop me from pointing fingers or exposing organisations or denominations that are nothing but wolves in sheep's clothing. We are commanded to do exactly that in the bible.

Winning souls is not all about preaching the good news of the Kingdom of God or Christ death for our salvation, you also win souls when you pull people out of groups or denominations that has turned lies into truth. You win souls when you let people know that truth sets men free, you don't have to belong to any organisation or denomination to gain everlasting life.

The least you can do is ask me to stop derailing your thread, and I have already apologized if I have indirectly done that.

Prosper1912:
OGA knowing chirst
if it is not by denomination can u pls explain

Matt 24:14
And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations

And

Matt 28:19-20
Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things. ”

Nelidee:
Brother, The reason why believers of Christ today are slowly dying spiritually is because we continue to keep quiet when we see evil rather than expose it.

Did Jesus condemn or commend the church in Ephesus for exposing an evil sect that was growing in their midst? Let us find out...

Revelations 2:6

But you have this to your credit: You hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

In verse 2 of that same chapter Jesus says: you have tested and exposed as liars those who falsely claim to be apostles

The church in Ephesus pointed at and exposed the nicolaitans.

So what's the lesson here? When you see a group of people or denomination or organisation claiming to believe in God but teaching doctrines from demons you expose them. Don't keep quiet. Expose them and respectfully let people know why they shouldn't be part of such group using the Bible as an evidence. What good will keeping quiet or ignoring them do? So they can continue to deceive and brainwash more people?

Were you ever a Jehovah's witness? Are you aware of their history? Their teachings? Their false prophecies? Families they have broken and torn apart? Facts about the organisation they hide from their members?

When you see something evil expose. Point at it and expose it using the bible.

Prosper1912:
OGA knowing chirst u still haven't answered the question

Dtruthspeaker:
Revelation 14:11 expressly said that "they have no rest day nor night,"

Thus, they might be turned to ashes but they shall live for God made us to live forever.

And it is always a living who requires rest and who can be deprived such needed Rest.

Like I always told you, don't deceive yourself and deceive others too.

Nelidee:
Ephesians 5:11
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.

Please take note. I have not insulted anyone. I am only exposing an organisation that deceives its members and prevent them from learning the truth about God.

Your welcome.

Nelidee:
There are numerous threads in this forum that have done so. Feel free to dig deeper. Lets not derail the purpose of this thread... @knowingChrist
please accept my apologies if I've indirectly done that.

Nelidee:
We are saying the same thing brother. Salvation is personal. It has nothing to do with belonging to any group or denomination or organisation.

I grew up in a JW home so I literally understand everything about Jehovah's witnesses. There's no way a witness will listen or understand a thing you are preaching to them because they render exclusive devotion to the organisation first and then God second.

If the organisation tells them today to stop preaching they will obey that command as if it came from God. My point is they listen to the organisation rather than listen to God through his word the bible.

The only way a witness can listen and understand any explanation from you is by first leaving the organisation that brainwashes them and tells them that they are God's mouthpiece and the only means by which they can be saved.