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MiddleDimension:
➜Since having discussions on the issue of the canon of the bible and who decided it can be very problematic with some people being incapable to be fair about the issue, I have decided to have this discussion with an AI bot to see how it goes. Below are screenshots of the conversation.

Huh? 😏😏😏

Gabrielshow24:
➜Your bone of contention is totally irrelevant 🤨. It doesn't change or affect the subject matter! You just came to derail my previous discussions. ....
➜Whether they are fallen angels or demons—I care less at this point as both are derivatives of Satan! FYI, I do not follow men, I follow God! Your slight jab is greatly misplaced 🤨.

Again, the fact here is that there is no direct or indirect biblical—Israelite Scripture—link — link between Angels/fallen angels and demons. Religious claims that fallen angels are demons are ideas manufactured in religious circles, where these disconnected ideas are considered tradition.

2. Again, children of the Devil, aka devil's angels or fallen angels, ARE NOT demons. This is the standpoint of Israelite Scripture.🤔

GodOfBanter:
➜I'll start taking you seriously when you demonstrate the entertainment value in watching other people do nothing but talk and whine on stream.
➜ Free will is good. Common sense is also good. Having one without the other is exactly how you end up funding a stranger's luxury lifestyle for no tangible reason, while your own finances suffer. It's called priorities. 🙃
➜ You're the one who's insisting that people should keep feeding into their unhealthy, one-suded parasocial relationships, so just between the two of us, who's really enabling here? 🤔
➜ There's a huge difference between getting a drink for yourself and choosing to spend your last cash on virtual gifts to please a total stranger who has done absolutely nothing to deserve it, apart from moping into the camera, looking pretty, making boring conversations and indirectly begging for gifts. 🤦🏽 I have more respect for streamers who play games, crack jokes, preach, host debates, draw art or do a myriad of other interesting stuff. But these plastic hoes with no personality or gimmicks, who just sit there and whine, what have they done to earn your money? 🤔 And honestly, it wouldn't be an issue if there weren't millions of these types of streamers on Tiktok. I'll give credit to your position if you can give me just one reason. Go ahead, I'll wait. 😒

1. As I already pointed out earlier that from where I sit, those who watch TikTok-ers are no different from football fans and the lot. I don't see why I need to demonstrate anything to you for what is your choice of entertainment.

2. That in bold is the exact same thing that football fans and celebrity fans also do. And you seem to be arguing that this commonsense for all has to be according to your standards. 😂😂😂😂

3. I have done nothing of that since my very first comment to you. You are instead the one who attempted to classify this as a village people issue. 😂😂😂😂

4. You and I do not have the power to pick and choose for others what they can or cannot watch. So long as no law is being violated, and they aren't being cajoled by anything, then you are simply making noise? As I tried, however, to point out in my first comment to you, if your worry is instead that some of them instead indulge out of needing to quell the loneliness inside of them, then suggesting they seek professional mental help from a licensed therapist would be the best suggestion you could give. Assuming you know better about how people should or should not spend their money exposes you as merely a noise maker looking for attention.

Gabrielshow24:
➜...Also, not to prolong this discussion any further. I have stated earlier that the biblical narrative is that demons are fallen angels who rebelled against God!
➜ It was man's directive that led him to give a befitting term for "fallen-angels" seeing that in the scripture no distinction is made, name wise👀, between God's Angels and Devil's Angels!
➜ Although, context gives the reader hints on what type of angel is being read about! Thus, once again it's a biblical fact that demons are fallen-angels!
➜ Your sheepish definition falls short in various forms!

1. Nothing biblical about this assertion of yours.

2. Clear distinctions exist in Israelite Scripture between Demons and those whom you regard as fallen angels. That you reject these distinctions DOES NOT mean they do not exist.

3. Again, this statement in bold, along with many of the others, is of religious origin and has nothing of Scripture.

4. I gave you no definition since I instead called on you to, in fact, read the book, not go around regurgitating religion tales you have been fed by equally ignorant individuals whom you deem your gods.

Gabrielshow24:
You are clearly mistaken, In revelation the fallen angels brought forth maleficent effects upon the population of the world!..

Where in Revelations do you get this idea of yours from?

Adakintroy:
➜And am also telling you we did not get to a civil state by everbody minding their business. We got here by checkmating each other excess. She was dress less moderate to a moderate event and was called out. Meaning many others also found her out. Are you going to call out the others who demand she dress well or just me? Cuz if you find nothing wrong with their call to which she later oblige, i will say leave it at that and call it social conformity. Nothing wrong here.

Social conformity is addressed in the laws of the land - the Constitution. Legally, she was dressed well. Why is that not enough? Why should individuals , no matter how many they are, take it on themselves to add additional rules to stifle others? Why does there exist this need to impose this moderate standard in addition to what the law already stipulates? Why is the law not enough?

Gabrielshow24:
➜then kindly explain to us who demons are? 🤨
➜ Also, you greatly downplayed the acts of freed fallen-angels in Revelation 🤦🏾‍♂️!—
➜ You will do so well to perform comparative analysis to see their similarities🤔
➜ I will like to know your perspective whether or not the fallen-angels do bring forth the "same curses" 🤔 given the sample of biblical evidence that attests to this.

For the umpteenth time in this, the books you pretend you adhere to DO NOT draw a connection between demons and fallen angels.

2. What do I care about your notions regarding these fallen angels when my insistence is that there is no connection made in any of the books between fallen angels and demons?

3. Read what the books in fact state.

4. There is no suggestion in any of the books that fallen angels bring curses. They are themselves the cursed ones, so what power would they have to curse others with? The one who cursed mankind— all the books attest to this — is YHWH, and He alone decided the curses upon even His own people — as documented in Deuteronomy 28 - 30, Leviticus 26-27 & Matthew 25 — when they would be deployed against those judged by Him.

Gabrielshow24:
... Also, to address your point. The bible doesn't provide a basis or link for demons to fallen-angels 🤨 but still it buttresses the fact that the Devil's Angels have the same or similar modus operandi to these spirits!

Wrong! The Bible does no such thing as you claim, given that demons are instead described in the books as spirits with the capacity to infect or possess human beings & animals to bring out the curses laid down by YHWH. Fallen angels, on the other hand, are not described to have the same abilities as demons, but are rather described as children of the devil — angels who choose disobedience rather than obedience.

Gabrielshow24:
➜I didn't direct any idea your way🤨, I corrected Max's error but you seem more interested in giving your two cents! Hence why quote me?
➜ Also, your exegesis is a misrepresentation of what can be found in the scriptures! You just qualified them based on some specific action🤨. It doesn't explain how they came to be! Also, The bible clearly separates angels into two folds: God's angels and Devil's Angels—These were those who participated in the heavenly War😁!
➜ In conclusion, the traditional narrative provides an exemplified analysis of the meaning and use of the word, "demon"—it is used as a reference to fallen angels or in general any contrary spirit to the spirit of truth👀!

1. I was not chatting with that individual so see no reason why you would direct any of your private conversations with others towards my moniker.

2. I gave you no exegesis. I simply pointed out what is clearly of Scripture —Israelite origin— from what is not. There is no direct or indirect link made in the scripture between fallen angels and demons— Fallen angels ARE NOT demons. Yes, the book instead posits the existence of angels of God and angels of the devil... but no connection between the angels of the devil and demons— Angels are not a demons and demons are not a type of angels.

3. Your traditional narratives do not have their origins or genesis in the books of the Israelite Scripture.

GodOfBanter:
➜The difference here is that I'm trying to save people money, and you are defending people's right to financial self-destruction. 🫣
➜ In your mind, you're a humanitarian abi? You're defending free will.
➜ Don't worry. When you don finish, maybe we should start encouraging gambling addicts to double down on their efforts. 😂
➜ We can even encourage alcoholics to keep up with the drinking. After all, they are also using these things as outlets for their own issues. 🤓

1. You are saving them money by casting down their form of entertainment as being worthless by standards by your standards, right?

2. Ah! You have a problem with folks having this free will, is that it?

3. Addictions— a psychological disorder— are born of mental problems and do not require encouragement since those afflicted struggle to control those urges, to begin with.

4. Alcohol in itself is not a problem, as many can healthily consume it without loss of control. Nothing wrong with drinking every weekend to release stress accumulated over the week, or something. Addiction— a psychological disorder— is instead the issue when a person is unable to directly control his or her urges.

GodOfBanter:
➜Call it whatever you want, but at least I'm not charging you to read my posts, unlike your jobless Tiktokpreneurs. 🤣🤣

Look, those who subscribe to sports entertainment are no different from those who shower those tiktokpreneurs with favors, from the point of view of an outsider like myself. These people are people who use these as outlets for whatever issues they may be privately needing to deal with. Simply insisting that people no longer patronize them because of your private issues against them is silly.

GodOfBanter:
➜The difference is value and delusion. Sports fans know they're customers. They're watching to get entertainment, and there is entertainment value in every sport.
Online beggars or "streamers" aren't doing squat to keep you entertained. If you're happy or not, it's your damn business. And most TikTok gifters also genuinely think that they're building relationships with people who see them as walking ATMs. Go watch videos on YouTube. There are countless of them delving into this bizarre parasocial phenomena. People who subscribe to OF are arguably better, even though it's still a lil' dumb, because why you would pay to jack it when you can just pay a visit to one Amaka outside?
If you want to see me as a dictatorial arbiter because I'm just pointing out the absurdity of the concept, then it's your prerogative. Everybody has free will. I'm not stopping anybody from paying money to online beggars. I'm just saying it's daft and brain dead. If you want to keep giving hard earned money to online beggars who do nothing to earn it, na you sabi.

I am sorry, but this is you trying very hard to sell us your delusion there.

ChrisP92:
➜This is great. If the forests are made safe, then our security challenges will be reduced greatly.

The keyword here remains if.

jmoore:
130,000 hunters.

And if things go as they usually do in this country, those troops may eventually turn against the people in the communities around those forests... rinse and repeat.

GodOfBanter:
➜No, that's not the point. That's just evidence of your cringey attempts at being ironic.
The point is that there are better things to do in life, than spend money on a lady you don't know for no other reason than she's fine, or she's talking to you, or she asked you to. If loneliness is your problem, you're better off seeking therapy.
Are we good now?

If that is really your point, then one could argue these folks are paying money for entertainment much the same way sports fans pay sports professionals for the same. So, who decides what is better for whom? You?

GodOfBanter:
➜Clearly you got the point. What else do you want me to do? Include a full DSM-5 assessment and treatment plan? Thanks for contributing anyway.

What point?

GodOfBanter:
....Your village people are using your destiny to play ten ten and you don't know. Help yourself! If you don't help yourself, nobody will help you!

Is this your point?

GodOfBanter:
➜Even if you have money sef, wetin you gain? The point of spending money on something is that you can get something in return. What are you getting from these hoes? Is it the companionship? Is it discussion? Are they therapists? Are you that lonely, that you have to pay for people to talk to you?
Your loneliness is what is feeding these online beggars. You think they give a damn about you? You're paying for an imaginary friend or girlfriend, but this imaginary girlfriend has a dude living there with giving her daily pipe for free and 2.7 million other imaginary friendships to maintain. Your village people are using your destiny to play ten ten and you don't know.
Help yourself! If you don't help yourself, nobody will help you!

I expected you to finish up by admitting that the true problem here is psychological and even suggest that these folks use some of that money they give away to seek well-needed professional mental health therapy.

eniolorunfe:
Hahaha 😂 A good example of “talk is cheap” & “experience is the best teacher”.

Nonsense! This is instead a better example of why not to take people at their word.

ukaface:
➜They made her an hypocrite PUBLICLY after she FOOLISHLY succumb to have herself videotaped while eating the forbidden fruit.

Can you please explain, as some of us have absolutely no clue who she is or why she is being dragged here.

YoungDaNaval:
➜Good evening nairalanders, I met my fiancé in 2021 but we officially started dating in 2022. The relationship was not all rosy because we do have minor misunderstanding in-between but we've never quarrelled beyond 24hrs before. I choosed her among other girls because she gives me peace and had never given me any reason to doubt her loyalty. So earlier this year I took bold step and went to see her parents for introduction and list collection with the intention to do our traditional marriage in December this year. But something happened yesterday. I was chatting with my fiancé via WhatsApp and one thing led to another then she sent me a screenshot of our chat in the past to buttress her point but then I noticed something in that screenshot she sent. I noticed that my contact was saved with my name. I was surprised because I'd always knew all my contacts were saved with "my world" in her phone so how come my name now? What changed? We never had a fight, no quarrel, nothing whatsoever that might make her change my contact from "my world" to my name. So I pointed it out to her to know her reason.[b] At first , she was trying to play on my intelligence by telling me it was a mistake and immediately changed it back but I stood my ground and insist that she explain to me why she did so. Then later on she started begging, telling me she was sorry, that she'd never cheated on me. I was like, "who said anything about cheating?" I only demand an explanation on why you changed my contact from "my world" to my name, the apologies can come later but she kept on begging that it was a mistake so I ignored her. Later on, she finally accepted that she changed it intentionally but could not recall why she did. I simply told her to think and get back to me then I ignored her chats while she kept begging and went to bed. Now I couldn't sleep, I kept thinking why my fiance could pull such stunt and I've concluded that I might put our trads coming up this December on hold if I don't get an explanation on why she did such but another thought came to my mind that I should post here to see if I can get a better suggestion from experienced nairalanders.[/b] How do you think I should handle this situation? Please advice me! Thanks

Break up with her and go find yourself peace elsewhere, abeg!

Since your particular expectation is that her view of you remains the same throughout the relationship, but she does not see it that way, clearly that red flag should not be ignored, should it? Fire her, abeg! Make she go find her own peace of mind with someone who would not mind much of fickle things as you do.

Gabrielshow24:
✓ Perhaps you should endeavor to get the context before chiming in!
He made a proposition that Demons clone bodies before using them, a narrative he generalized to spiritual norm! Thus, I aimed with sarcasm to make him explain whose bodies Angels cloned when they visited men😁, a narrative he is yet to provide a rebuttal to!
✓ Now, to answer your illustrious question. The traditional classical view of demons is that they are fallen Angels performing their own will! Although, the Greek word "daemon" refers generally to a spirit but in the context of the scriptures, it refers to malicious fallen angelic beings!
Thus, they are counterparts of God's angels. It's also referenced in the bible Matthew 25:41: "devil and his angels" .

1. The mistake is yours in directing ideas that have nothing to do with me, my way. I am not of your religion(or any for that matter) that you would assume I hold a view related to it in some way.

2. Wrong! In Israelite Scripture, the word Demon is used to qualify spirits which carry out YHWH's curses on men either by infecting or possessing individuals and sometimes animals. Your particular idea that demons are instead fallen angels comes primarily from your religion, not from the Israelite Scripture. Angels are instead described in the book as beings born from Spirit, not spirits themselves, in that same Scripture.

⚉ Matthew 25 refers to those who would end up in Eternal Damnation as Angels of the Devil— humans who fail to meet the requirement to enter into Eternal Reward, aka children of the Devil - John 8 vs 32 - 44.

Carndidlaydid:
Demons were once angels. Angels too were once demons

. This is wrong! The notion that demons are fallen angels or that angels were once demons comes entirely from religious doctrine, with no real source back to any of the old books, including the bible.

Gabrielshow24:
➜What about those whose bodies are used while they yet live? 🤔
Also, what human bodies/image did angels use when they visited men? 🤨
Did they too like demons clone a dead person's image👀?
Let us know, ....

Nonsense! Whose body was ever used by an angel while he/she was alive? Demons are instead spirits that are able to infect/possess human beings to bring about the consequence of YHWH's curse upon men. Demons aren't a type of angel, nor are they counterparts. 🙄

AfroKnight:
➜Behaviour of all things!➜Lol. Whatever makes you sleep at night.

Your case is unfortunately understandable! 😏😏😏

AfroKnight:
➜Men and women are not the same.Take your feminist agenda somewhere else. My message is for men.

When it comes to behavior, men and women are not so different at all. You must have realized this since your developmental stage, even if you continue to reject the notion for reasons best known to you.

Bendeco02:
➜Oga they still care till now. That equitorial guinea man Baltasar Ebang Engonga, one of the ladies involved in the sex scandal commited suicide. The ones alive their life can't remain the same again.
➜ Even in a wayward country like America, some female porn stars end their lives via suicide. Some of them may be careless for the moment but with time they will regret it fully.
➜ Women and Men are not the same.
➜ Imagine becoming a grandma or mature woman while your child come across your sex tape online and you said they don't care. Dey play.Men brag with sex while women hide it as secrete for their dignity.

That story instead had it that the sex tape scandal was more or less a straw that broke the camel's back in that woman's case, and not necessarily the actual cause or reason for her suicide. Go read the story again and focus on the revelations from those around her at the time to learn the facts.

2. Even non-porn stars end their lives via suicide, so I am not certain what in the world you are getting at here with this nonsensical claim. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

3. You lot keep regurgitating that nonsense, all while you bury your heads in the sand as reality keeps shoving the opposite case in your faces each day.

4. It has been happening now since before the 60s and 70s— people like Marilyn Monroe, Johnny Carson, etc., and people continue to do it anyway.

Omoawoke:
➜Everybody is not Kim kardashian
➜ Even porn stars dey marry… and they have children
➜ But those ones are living their own world… not the usual pattern
➜ Peoples private parts becoming public is still a scandal that shakes normal human beings and the society… even in the west

1. Kim was not a porn star though.

2. Exactly! So, you shouldn't fret about these women since there are men who will date and maybe even marry them out there.

3. Everyone, even those who live in Nigeria, including those who don't see life as you do, lives in their world too.

4. Be more specific, please! You claim it shakes normal human beings, but in what way?

I mean it is a crime to leak a video without the permission of those in the video. In the case that a criminal charge is filed because of a leak, the authorities will come down hard on those who leaked it, where possible. That is the case in the West. However, if a video is leaked and no one comes forward to file a charge against the leaker, everyone moves on with their lives because people also have the freedom to leak whatever they want to the internet so long as it is not in the face of those who do not care for it.

Omoawoke:
➜Now she meets a new guy and they fall in love… but she knows she has a past with evidence on internet. At what point does she show her knew guy the sextape or would she hide it and live in fear that one day, the guy may eventually come across it? It’s tough Leaking someone’s sex tape is murder

. Um...I don't follow! You think anyone is hiding such things these days? Did Kim Kardashian hide her many sex tapes from the guy who eventually married her? People are less close-minded than they used to be. So, you should stop worrying about these people and focus on you and your tribe/family.

Glimpsetv:
Summary: A woman who moved back to Nigeria from the US shared five things she no longer has to do herself, including driving, cooking, running errands, cleaning, and taking care of her hair—thanks to the availability of affordable help in Lagos. Her video went viral and sparked mixed reactions online, with some praising her lifestyle and others noting it's a privilege only the wealthy can afford.

This is rubbish! I mean it isn't her fault and those cheap hands need the money but this is ridiculous! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

AfroKnight:
➜Any man woman who thinks he is capable of forgiving a cheating woman man will quickly learn that it is not a mark of strength. You are manipulating yourself on her his behalf. And you see that strength you think you have, she he will test it for you and it will fail.

Indeed! 🤔

Honestly, I believe a romantic relationship—one where both partners expect loyalty from each other — should end the moment that cheating is confirmed. Should the individuals decide at a later time to restart the relationship, they should both review the reason for the cheating, ensure that the partner who had cheated had indeed dealt with and matured at that point before moving forward. Otherwise, expect a repeat performance.

Fiscus105:
➜It seems red pilers has since dissolved on this forum.

E be like say life don stab most of them with a high dose of reality, the main wey even mad person no dey fit recover well from!😂😂😂