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Merry100:
✓ Your point is valid, but consider this perspective: while Vashti may have been aware of the potential consequences before refusing the king's command, she might not have expected the actual outcome.
Throughout history, people have defied authority knowing the risks, but not all of them anticipated a drastic outcome or viewed it as beneficial.
The advisors may have told the king what they believed he wanted to hear in his drunken state like you suggested, but if Vashti’s defiance was not severe, there would have been no need to make such a spectacle out of it. Her actions must have been viewed as disruptive enough to warrant her removal.

We could on with the coulda, woulda, shouldas here, you know. The point which I made in the beginning remains which is that Vashti did nothing morally wrong and religion is in the wrong for vilifying her.

Merry100:
➜I agree that no sane woman should submit herself to humiliation, but given the historical and political realities of her time, it is uncertain whether Vashti viewed her removal as queen as a relief or a loss - this is simply a matter of interpretation.
➜The reaction of the king’s advisors in Esther 1:15-18 suggests that her defiance was seen as unacceptable or a serious breach of royal protocol.

1. The historical and political realities of her time are what led me to consider she must have been aware of the potential consequences of her actions before making that very decision that night.

2. The drunken state of the King at the time, and the historical and political realities of the time, equally lead me to consider that they may have merely told the King what they believed he may have wanted to hear.

Merry100:
➜Yes, in the actual context, the king seems to be the irresponsible and wrong one, but we don’t know the laws of the kingdom, perhaps no one was expected or allowed to refuse an order from the king. The law is the law.

There was no law stated in the story that required Vashti to submit herself to such humiliation. Also, the fact that she lost the queenship may have not been as terrible a loss as those in the religious circle like to pretend in their religiously convenient narratives, considering the customs of the courts seemed like one no sane woman would wish to submit herself to unless there was a need to.

okeke6969:
➜Go and sit down idiot, my comment does to welcome a homosapiens bastard..go hang urself, better still, sniper is there for you to gulp. Nincompoop.

Hang myself because of a retarded comment from a religious nutjob? 😂😂😂😂😂

okeke6969:
➜Staying in marriage got no formula. If you are still with your partner, thank God and if you are separated, give God the glory. Good behaviour, faithfulness, submission, plenty money, good life and what have you cannot bond 2 different people. What will be, will be, if you think otherwise, I owe you no penny.

So, it is OK for the men to take after their ancestor, Adam, but not OK for women to take after Eve? You religious nutjobs are just ridiculous in the way you reason your lives. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

SpiritualWealth:
"The High Level Of UNEMPLOYMENT In Nigeria Is A Spiritual Problem" - Explain!

Stop telling this lie. It is a result of lack of intelligence and investment in human and economic development.

CaptainFM1:
N400, 5mins Okada journey I took yesterday, the Okada man tell me the entire harlotry story of his wife.
Na Olosho wife full everywhere now.

Did he equally regale you with stories of his own harlotry?

slimjordan:
✓ My Neighbour died 3 days ago because he caught his wife cheating on him

Out of curiosity, did this neighbor never cheat on this wife before that point in time? 😁

I ask because I frequently read here on Nairaland that "All men are polygamous" hence allowed to cheat on their wife(ves).

BloomingDale:
➜You are beginning to understand that women are the ones that are polygamist in nature, and not men. A woman can take a thousand dicks in a day. Can a man fvck a thousand totos in a day?

OMGosh! I didn't just read that! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Pennywise2:
Those of you accusing marriage institute should prepare to explain yourself to the creator. He is the author of marriage

So, this Author of Marriage is in every marriage out there?

OZIOGU1:
...➜give 10 married women- 100mil to start a business and in a year time 8 will leave their husband, most women are opportunist. Never brag about your morals until you have money to fund your temptation, their is a lot hidden in a woman character that money will expose.

Opportunists or maybe people who had no business in marriage, to begin with?

Society, not only demonizes women who would choose to forego marriage altogether but also casts them down as unworthy elements in almost everything. However, with that much money, such women can build for themselves a standing that elevates them above society's scrutiny, allowing themto discard all other shackes that had previously been imposed on them by it.

essentialone1:
➜Why desire for marriage in the first place, if you know you have no intentional commitment to remain in it?

I have rarely heard people say they go into marriage without wanting to commit. However, like every contract out there, if the reality does not fit the details expected, it is OK to walk out of it for your good — mental, physical, and emotional health combined.

The foolish thing to do under any circumstance is to commit to that which you know hurts you — mentally, physically, and emotionally.

spiceadole:
➜Me too. I'm thoroughly tired of the whole arrangement

Yes, marriage is not a do-or-die affair. But please endeavor to ensure the children are not abandoned in all of this, no matter the decision you make at the end.

tunde1200:
➜Think about it well and call him and tell him his fault before leaving. Separation of marriage has negative effects on children.

Negative effects of separation or divorce can be easily resolved over time. However, the damage of being raised in a dysfunctional home/marriage leaves almost lifelong damage on the children and the adults they later become.

TemmyT002:
➜And she married a more handsome young man and lived happily ever after

huh?

VeeVeeMyLuv:
What do you expect? 🤷🏼
The present economic situation in the country is suffocating.

Abi o!! 😂😂😂😂😂

Merry100:
➜Stop comparing puff-puff to hamburger. Marrying a king means accepting the responsibilities of a queen. Queen Vashti simply failed in her duties, which angered both the king and his subjects. Don't be biased or one-sided. If most men also treated their wives well, their wives would happily stay with them.

Vashti did not fail in her duties. She was instead married to a sick man and refused to debase herself.

Holycity:
I may leave mine soon

Marriage was never meant to be a do-or-die affair, to begin with.

Antichristian2:
➜Yeah baseless to you. The law of Moses was recited to the people he was sent to.
➜Same as Jesus did to the people he was sent to Same as Muhammad to the world he was sent to.

➜The fact that there is no Law in the books that requires this kind of recitation must first take place before a Law can be certified as such renders your claim baseless. This idea may apply to you Islam but it does not apply as far as YHWH and His Laws are concerned.

2. This is a lie! Jesus Christ taught His Law to His followers. He never required nor commanded a reciting of the Laws to anyone or any man. There was no such requirement in the Books of the Law of Moses either. The Laws were meant to be taught to the people, not recited.

Islam and its recitations have no connection to YHWH, His Law of Moses, or Jesus Christ.

Antichristian2:
➜....So How did Hebrew or Semitic languages converted to Yoruba, Hausa/Fulani, Igbo, Ijaw, Tiv, Nupe, Igala,......?

How did the Hebrew of Semitic Languages convert to English and other European languages? I am desperately trying to understand the particular logic behind this question of yours.

Antichristian2:
➜Homosexuality, pride and arrogance, cruelty and exploitation and most importantly the rejection of God!
➜ YHWH has no concern for foreigners! They are already doomed! You said he is only the God of Israel. Others apart from Israel are not for him. And i have responded well.

1. Where did you read this list of yours from?

2. Since YHWH gave Himself the title of God of Israel alone, you concluded that means that every other nation out there is doomed by Him? Yet, here we are many thousands of years afterward and they are still thriving, how come? 🙄🙄🙄

Antichristian2:
➜What's the sin of the said nation?
➜ Is it not individuals that compose of a nation? Aren't individual souls a subset of a nation's?
➜ So Jesus had his will yet he claim he's not acting on his will but the will of his father! He said many contradictory things! He said he does what he sees his father doing! Did he see the father dying for him to also die? I wonder how you guys sleep with that book!

1. What was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah?

2. Again, the passage you quote specifically states that it only applies as far as the descendants of Jacob are concerned. So, you would need to find laws that apply to foreigners not living in the Land of Israel for that logic of yours to fly.

3. You can play all the semantic games you like, after all I have shown you what Jesus Christ of Israel Himself said of the matter.

Antichristian2:
➜The onus is on you to prove not me!
➜ In the absence of any concrete proof then all is fallacy! The probablilty to me is extremely low!
➜ Our cultures, languages, everything is different from that of Israel.
➜ Just between 2000 - 2700 years ago then Israelites migrated to Nigeria! When Babylon happened didn't people migrate to Nigeria then?

There is no onus on me since I am not interested in engaging in such mindlessness to begin with.

2. Where is this definitive fact of yours that there are no Israelites in Africa from? I want to know.

3. The same Israelites, some of whom were accused of imbibing cultures of Egyptians, Ethiopians, Assyrians, etc., by their God? Why didn't these different cultures stop them from assimilating the cultures of others? Are you sure you are OK at all?

4. Huh?

Antichristian2:
➜Was the Bible written for everyone? Was even Jesus aware of the entire Bible as it is today? The ➜Qur'an was recited during the lifetime of Muhammad. The Torah was recited during the lifetime of Moses! Was the New Testament recited during the lifetime of Jesus?

You folks and your crazy logic ehn! See baseless rules abeg! 😂😂😂😂😂

2. LOL...The Law of Moses was not recited to all but to the people of Israel(and the foreigners among them) since it was the National Constitution of the Nation created by YHWH in Canaan. It was never meant for all but for those who inhabited the nation of Israel constituted by YHWH, a nation on this earth. Jesus Christ of Israel, on the other hand, is a Constitutional Law for a nation that is not of this earth. Your recital rules there which hold no ground outside of your mind do not count. Only those who first became citizens — born-again—of the Kingdom can go on to gain an understanding of the Law. 😁

Antichristian2:
➜The Ninevites were about to be destroyed like Sodom but they were forgiven due to their repentance! No one died for them! And they killed no animal.
The soul who sins is the one who will die. A son will not bear the iniquity of his father, and a father will not bear the iniquity of his son. The righteousness of the righteous man will fall upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked man will fall upon him. But if the wicked man turns from all the sins he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die. None of the transgressions he has committed will be held against him. Because of the righteousness he has practiced, he will live. Ezekiel 18:20-22
➜ Which should we believe, Jesus willingly came to die. Or that Jesus does not have a will of his own but does only the will of his father? He does what he sees the father doing! So when the father dies Jesus too died on the cross!

1. You quoted from a passage clearly directed at the individual descendants of Jacob/Israel which states that the soul(individual)— not nation —which sins will die. So, what exactly did you intend to have that passage do in this case for this discourse?

2. Well, if you read the book for yourself you would see that He did not act of His Will alone.

17 The Father loves me because I give my life. I give my life so that I can get it back again.
18 No one takes my life away from me. I give my own life freely. I have the right to give my life, and I have the right to get it back again. This is what the Father told me.” - John 10 vs 17 - 18

This act of His was sanctioned by YHWH — God of Israel —, His Father hence His Father's Will.

Antichristian2:
➜We don't have them here!
➜ All these are simply theoretic permutations that does not stand on any proof. Anyways, it is clear to me Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel. Even only the lost ones! And is stand by the fact that Nigeria is not Included. We are not Israelites. No tribe in Nigeria ever speak close to Hebrew or any other semitic languages. None of their cultures is here in Nigeria. Even the Igbos that were claiming so....
➜ Do you expect only Jacob's line to exist in the world? Are there not other tribes back then/

You are certain of this because you have cross-checked the DNAs of all the almost 1 billion people living in Africa to know this, right? Or is it that you expect them all to have badges on their heads saying, "Descendant of Israel/Jacob" before you can approve them of being such? 🙄🙄🙄🙄

2. They don't stand on any proof simply because you have tested the DNA of all almost 1 billion individuals in Africa to be certain that absolutely no Israelites escaped capture by running into Africa, remaining there afterward. If they are not wearing a badge on their heads saying, "Descendant of Israel/Jacob", they cannot be of Israel... is that the case? 🙄🙄🙄🙄

3. Only Jacob's line exists on earth. What are you on about really?

Bookhub:
✓ I am tired of life in general before I use to think all I need is money but I was wrong, if with money you will still feel empty and depressed,I want to die and maybe reincarnate as someone stronger emotionally in my life if reincarnation is real,I use to blame people who commit suicide but now I envy their guts,yesterday as as the rain i slipped and fell hiting my back on a block,I wish it was my head so I will just exit once and for all but I was unlucky,the day I die will be my happiest day on earth let me rest.

You, not your parents, made the decision to have you conceived and birthed into this world?

Kewekubosineh:
What are you insinuating here? She's very right!

Stop deceiving yourselves believing the world is defined by your tiny-brained religious delusions there.

Jesuspistol:
➜Those deities didn't create or initiate marriage bro.
➜ It's not about religion now.
➜ It's about who initiated marriage idea.
➜ Unfortunately, it's non of those dieties. The source of marriage has its manual. Simple

Almost every religion/tradition out here has rules/ideas regarding relationships of the contractual kind vis-a-vis marriage. States also have their ideas regarding marriage as well. .

2. What do you think you are attempting to impose on everyone here if not religious/traditional beliefs?

3. Whoever initiated it obviously left it to men to decide for themselves what the nuances would entail, since, marriage laws, and ideas, differ almost from one mile to the other on this planet.

4. Stop bullsheet-ing already!

Mopeola:
✓ Not really the way you think about it but hoping you too are coming across it someday and if l may ask, are you married or you are still single

Why should it matter whether I am marred or single though?

osazsky:
One of the most difficult test to run..u fit run this test for 20labs and all the results will be conflicting

Na lie! It is only difficult in Nigeria because people are not particularly interested in accuracy. There are sickle-cellers abroad as well, mostly African Americans of West African descent, and for as long as I have known, I have never read of labs getting their tests wrong in the way Nigerians labs are used to doing, nor have I read of any one of them magically having their genotypes mutating from one type to another.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sickle-cell-anemia/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20355882

I dey wait for when I go begin hear say una fit change person DNA from Baba Sikiru's son to Dangote child.

geoworldedu:
➜So what is your own say, that's the question. The question is not about what I wrote. It is about what you think about the story. Pls always read texts well before you comment so you don't fall into fallacies.
➜ Question is: What is your own say about the story? Not, what is your argument against the Op. Hope you gerrit junky?

My say has nothing to do with what was intended by the original authors. They wrote the story to convey their particular message and that is that. And what I think is that rather than go around injecting private biases between every line that is written, we all learn instead to objectively parse the information as presented.

1. There was a time when the whole world spoke one language. Everyone used the same words.
2 Then people began to move from the East. They found a plain in the land of Babylonia and stayed there to live.
3 Then they said to each other, “Let’s make some bricks of clay and bake them in the fire.” Then they used these bricks as stones, and they used tar as mortar.
4 Then the people said, “Let’s build ourselves a city and a tower that will reach to the sky. Then we will be famous. This will keep us together so that we will not be scattered all over the earth.”
5 Then the Lord came down to see the city and the tower.
6 The Lord said, “These people all speak the same language. And I see that they are joined together to do this work. This is only the beginning of what they can do. Soon they will be able to do anything they want.
7 Let’s go down and confuse their language. Then they will not understand each other.”
8 So people stopped building the city, and the Lord scattered them all over the earth.
9 That is the place where the Lord confused the language of the whole world. That is why it is called Babel.[a] And it was from there that the Lord caused the people to spread out to all the other places on earth. - Genesis 11 vs 1 - 9

2. Again, my say is that you dump your biases in your pocket and instead objectively parse the information contained so you sound less like the other religious folks whom you pretend you are not one of.