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Gabrielshow24:
➜Are you are fool? The outcome is predetermined because God intend that those that serve him - sheep - will be in Heaven with him. While those that do not serve him - goats - will perish in hell. It's just like playing a football game and then asking how the results are not predetermined!!! Don't you know that the outcomes of the game can only be win, loss or draw🤨!!!
You keep exhibiting foolishness for the world to see👀; it's becoming rather appalling!!!

Wetin be this foolishness, abeg! 🤔

Gabrielshow24:
➜My entire premise is not on predetermination!!! Op brought concepts of "overheads" or predetermined outcomes in the form of "Heaven" and "Hell" and using this hoped to disprove free will!!! I gave analogies to show otherwise!!!
The same Jesus that told us to go into the world and make disciples of all nations!!!
➜You are indeed a liar! Selective bias is someone taking what soothes him or her!!! That verse you quoted is completely out of context!!! And it's becoming rather evident you have nothing useful to contribute!!!

1. Again, they were terrible analogies! 🙄🙄

2. Please stop using terms you do not understand their meaning or application. If everything I stated is in fact as found in the book, and not taken out of context, how can it be stated that I exercised selection bias? 🙄🙄

Gabrielshow24:
➜Are you a fool? Isn't the judgement not to separate sheep from goats? 🤨 Heaven - Hell !!! What then are you alluding to? 👀

If a judgement (1) is to first take place to determine whether one who is
➜first an Israelite (2) and
➜second, a follower of Jesus Christ of Israel (3)
.... is either a sheep or a goat, how in the world can you then proclaim the outcome to be predetermined?

Gabrielshow24:
➜I don't think so, and it shows you were not paying attention!!!
➜The question is about free will not predetermination!!!
➜Even a fool can see your selective bias from the scriptures, Jesus even told his disciples to go into the world and preach to all nations!!!

1. You want me to believe you have been paying attention yet you somehow ignored the explicit statements made by Jesus Christ of Israel right there in His Gospel? Religion is a bitch!

2. Yet you have been attempting to argue predetermination all of this time? 🥴

3. I didn't write the book. I merely regurgitated that which is written in plaintext in the book, but you interpret that to mean I have selection bias? Are you OK? E be like say you no understand wetin selection bias even means. Stop throwing around terms you don't understand, abeg!

FreeSpirited:
➜Both Paul and Peter and Philip preached and took the gospel to the gentiles..,ARE you saying Peter , Paul and Phillip were all mistaken and in error for extending the gospel of Christ to gentiles....?

So, because they preached to people who were Gentiles , you automagically took that to mean they defied Jesus Christ of Israel, who vehemently warned His followers not to give that which is Holy to the non-Israelites? 😏😮

Gabrielshow24:
➜Jesus died that all might be saved!!! So you saying Israel only, is you alluding to being selective with scriptures!!!
2. The game isn't rigged.
3. If you don't understand overheads, that's your problem not mine.
➜If you do so well to boost your comprehension then maybe you will see the message I was passing across!!!
Op alluded to concepts such as overheads being part of the reasons where there is no freewill!!!
Hence the use of the analogy to disprove or rather show that irrespective of overheads, your conscious life is littered with expressions of free will🤨!!!

1. Jesus Christ of Israel said otherwise as He instead made clear He was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Israel, going as far as to warn His followers not to give that which is Holy to the dogs — non-Israelites.

2. So, says you!

3. You were asked a simple question regarding predestination, but here you are, introducing ideas that have nothing to do with anything. Why? What for? Answer the darn question already.

4. My comprehension is not the problem here; you are all over the place and clearly can't seem to help yourself.

Gabrielshow24:
➜You act as if shepherds don't use dogs or other means to make sheep enter the fold 🤨.
Doesn't mean the outcome of them perishing under the teeth of wolves isn't unlikely?🤔 Or is it wrong stating a fact? That the consequences of your free will will lead to hell🤨 after all you are free to choose between God and Satan so you must likewise embrace its consequences!!!

A fact? Even the book does not state any of what you claim, again, since Jesus Christ of Israel, who introduced the concept of a Heaven and a Hell— in the Kingdom of God— as presented in Israelite Scripture made clear that a Judgement would need to first take place.

FreeSpirited:
➜I know whom you are. You can hide under vague untrue interpretation of scriptures. I know whonu are

Taking what is written at face-value amounts to an interpretation of what is written... you folks are truly unbelievable in your reasoning of things. 😂😂😂😂😂

FreeSpirited:
➜This is a Satanist view.....a Satanist question.....it deserves no answer cos he's not ready to learn..... Anyone who has read the books of Galatians, Romans, Act of Apostle will never ask this satanist question....of course if we open the scriptures for him to realize The grace of God and salvation has been extended to gentiles through Faith in Christ, he will start going round in circle. Let everyone know this guy always hold a Satanist and antichrist view of the Bible.

I bet it is also of Satanist view where Jesus Christ of Israel definitively warned His followers not to give that which is Holy — the Gospel — to the non-Israelites aka the dogs, a declaration which in turn renders your religion — a system established by the very dogs He warned against — of the Satan/antiChrist? 😂😂😂😂

You religious nutcases are hilarious in your blatant refusal to critically reason you beliefs.

FreeSpirited:
➜U indirectly said Jesus dint die for the whole world, that he only came for the lost soul of Israel....that means all other nations can go look for their savior else where....isn't that the implication of what u said? Tell me if such view isn't satanist view... Imagine.the person talking about comprehension..smah

I indirectly said what I directly said is boldly stated in Israelite Scripture? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Gabrielshow24:
You are the one looking for complexity where there is none!!!
1. The scriptures talk about a binary outcome, "Heaven" or "Hell"
2. You can rig earthly things, but the things of God can't be rigged!!!
3. It's simply an analogy to explain the concepts of overhead and irrespective of present overheads, your conscious life is subject to your free will!!! If you can't understand this, then I can't help you

1. Israelite Scripture instead reveals that the only person who promised a Heaven and also a Hell inside of His Kingdom of God is Jesus Christ of Israel. And this promise He made only to the subject of Israel—descendants of Jacob— who would consider accepting His offer of Eternal Life. Such an outcome did not exist for those Israelites who lived 1000s of years before His arrival. So, I suggest we stick to the facts of Scripture and not here say since what that means is that non-Israelites have nothing to do with what is written in there.

2. So, you were not serious when you stated earlier that the games could not be rigged?

3. Terrible analogy! Overheads?

Gabrielshow24:
➜How hard is it, that you can't comprehend? 🤨 I'm talking about the predetermined outcomes such as "going to Heaven when you are found in God" and "going to hell when not found".
➜ The same way everyone knows the winner of the final carries the cup!!! And concerning the oxygen analogy.
➜ It's predetermined because you and I didn't choose to breathe in oxygen, we rather found ourselves at its mercy. If op had wanted he could have decided to breathe mercury!!! Now that's why oxygen is a predetermined overhead because just like his parents, he didn't choose it!!!

As proclaimed by which God?

2. Do you mean the game is never rigged to give the trophy instead to the losing team?

3. Huh? Can we please get back on the same page as what OP said and drop these ridiculous attempts at changing the original question?

Gabrielshow24:
➜ valid? You failed to answer my question, Are you happy with the predetermined overhead of your parents? Was it bad that you came through them? And does that in anyway invalidates your free will to procreate with another presumably your wife? After all your child too will complain, he didn't get to choose his own Father!!! The outcomes are predetermined, the choice is yours to make!!!
➜ Why don't you complain to UEFA? that disqualified teams shouldn't leave, they should continue to play on!!! When there are set rules!!!
Or should UEFA because of sympathy allow man city to proceed when the rules clearly goes against them!!! Love and Justice go hand in hand!!! You like to appeal to the lovely side but fail to accommodate the Justice aspects of God. There are rules, predetermined rules!!!
Anything not part of God can't live after all God is life!!! Or can you survive without oxygen? If it's not found won't you die? Was it of your making? Was it not a predetermined rule? You can now choose to deny yourself oxygen and die!!! Is it oxygen's fault? The eternal aspect is based on observer effect due to the absence of time!!!

1. What outcomes are predetermined?

2. You seem to be all over the place abeg! Can you please land?

AbuTwins:
➜Even in Jesus time there were plural marriages and Jesus for once never spoke against it. You guys don let oyinbo monogamy enter your brain! What is clear is that God made laws for Polygamy! God permitted polygamy! Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Lamech, Gideon, David, Solomon, etc were all Polygamous! And someone said they were not Christians! How many Prophets were Christian in the Bible? None! So that's a shut up! And to the one flipping the topic over making women marry two men! Show us where such is available and permitted by Jehovah in the Bible. Probably Sarah married Laban with Abraham in the NWT they use!

The God of Israel, YHWH, when establishing His nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan, made laws allowing for His people, the bloodline of Jacob. What does it matter to you, a non-Israelite, what this God established for His own chosen people though? Are you wanting us to believe that you too are an Israelite?

Wittyglam:
➜I had one of the hardest discussions ever. A man wakes up one beautiful morning and decides to leave his family for no reason. Micheal woke up on a beautiful Thursday morning, all dressed for work kissed his wife and kids goodbye and never returned. Wife tried to reach out to his friends and family but nothing. They never had any issues according to the wife.

There is always a reason. Spousal abandonment is nothing new and has, fortunately, been made a criminal/civil offense. If you are abandoned in marriage by a spouse, there is no longer a reason to feel helpless. Immediately report the situation to the authorities who can initiate a search and locate the runaway.

FreeSpirited:
➜You sound like a Satanist. Kindly stick to ur religion and stop blasphemin the teaching of Christ

You religious nutballs never cease to amaze in your inability to process information.

bixton:
➜#3,000 naira daily meal?
Please where are they going to buy meals for that amount and like how many times are they expected to eat per day on such amount? Is this amount for those fighting war with bandits in the Northern part or the entire Nigeria? Because except in rare places you can get that for just twice daily in some places in the South South if you're lucky oOoOO and it comes with a meat as small as a sugar cube.

Just imagine what is paid to the Soldiers who are expected to risk their lives for the safety of the country? Yet the porky pig who is senate president probably receives at least 50 times that as daily feeding allowance.

AbuTwins:
✓ Just as yours too is devoid of sense!

But I am anti-religion.

AbuTwins:
✓ Never mind! We understand the context of the Qur'an than you. Saying whatever we say doesn't affect the Qur'an as Allah says in the same Qur'an that those earlier scriptures have been corrupted!

I sincerely doubt that since the very foundation of the Quran is based on ideas taken out of context from the book that is the Bible. For example, the so-called Angel Jubril, who Mohammed claims he got the Quran from, is supposedly the same character referred to as Angel Gabriel from the Bible— the only book where Gabriel is written of—is it not? That invariably means that whatever ideas you have of the Bible flow through to impact also your Quran, which lifts several ideas—out-of-context, of course —out of it.

AbuTwins:
✓ Thank you! Go write your own!

I don't find meaningless regurgitations appealing, thank you!

AbuTwins:

1. Natural body colour (at least not bleached).
2. Wealth.
3. Good behaviour.
4. Intact Virginity.
5. Religion.
6. Tribe/Caste.
7. Non-feminism inclined.
8. Doesn't freemix with males.
9. Dresses like a female.
10. Voluptuous and fairly bosomy!

All meaningless nonsense! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

OriOko88:
➜The Bible scholars almost expunged the book of Esther from the Bible. I also don't find it spiritual enough. It's more of a folklore book

The delusions of the OP aside, why consider the book of folklore?

judewrites:
📖 Bible reading: Esther 2:1-18
King Xerxes the king of Persia, (which was the most powerful nation at the time) organized a nationwide search for a beautiful virgin to replace Queen Vashti who had defied him openly.
After a random recruitment, many virgin girls were taken into custody by Hegai, who was in charge of them all.
The girls were groomed for twelve months with various beauty cosmetics, perfumes, ointments and put on a diet.
At the end of it all, the girls were paraded before the King for his assessment; yes, king Xerxes was the sole judge in this beauty pageant!
The girl that the king found most attractive would be the next queen and the rest would be relegated to the king's harem of concubines.
Out of all the contestants, the King fell in love with a Jewish girl called Esther.
It wasn't as if Esther was the most beautiful, but she had a certain glow (God's presence) around her that made her uniquely gorgeous 😍.
King Xerxes, smitten with Esther's beauty, placed a crown 👑 on her head cementing her position as his new queen.
God would later use queen Esther to save the Israelites from genocide thus preserving the Abrahamic lineage through which Jesus would come.
Four things we can learn here about beauty and beauty contests:
1. Beauty competitions aren't always a true test of beauty. True beauty isn't just outward but inward, born out of a close relationship with God. Esther was beautiful within and without. (1 Peter 3:3-4, Proverbs 31:30)
2. An attractive woman can win a beauty competition, but if she lacks decisive judgement like Esther who saved her people from extinction, she's a gold ring in a pig's 🐷 snout. (Proverbs 11:22)
3. The intensive use of make-up and creams by beauty contestants cannot replace the presence of God which truly beautifies. (Psalm 50:2) The glory of God overshadowed Esther as everyone who saw her loved her. (Esther 2:15)
4. Many modern beauty contests like that of Esther's era, have had cases of sexual exploitation by its organisers.
Esther was not only beautiful, she was an epitome of beauty.
Esther is known by billions worldwide, not only for her good looks but courage, faith, wisdom and dedication.
How many beauty queens today can stand out like Queen Esther?
Very few, if any indeed.

This is, of course, all religious bullsheet!

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$2 a day feeding allowance!

Bullsheet!

bingbagbo:
➜The Lord Jesus was both a gentle and a Jew.
➜Matthew 1:1 regards The Lord Jesus as a son of David (a Jew) and a son of Abraham (a gentle).
Matthew 1:1The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:
➜Remember, Abraham existed before Israel physically came into being; Israel was his grandson. At the time, he was a man from Mesopotamia and was a gentle.
➜What is the point? The Lord Jesus Christ is God of both Jews and gentiles. He is The God of All flesh! Glory

1. A Gentile is a member of a specific bloodline and nation(family) living in a foreign land. The term was first used about the descendants of Noah's Son, Japheth, in Genesis 10, who had migrated further out to different countries.
Japheth’s Descendants

2 Japheth’s sons were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras.
3 Gomer’s sons were Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah.
4 Javan’s sons were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.[a]
5 All the people who lived in the area around the Mediterranean Sea came from these sons of Japheth. The people separated and went to different countries according to languages, families, and nations. - Genesis 10 vs 2 - 5

By this meaning, we see that Jesus Christ of Israel, who was born an Israelite in the nation of Judah(the land of Canaan), was not a gentile given He was not only born but also lived out His life in the land which belonged to His ancestors.

2. David was not a Jew. He lived and died in the nation of Israel. The term Jews is rather used in regards to the population and people of the nation of Judah, a nation that only came into existence after the death of Solomon, not before. The nation of Judah regarded at the Jewish nation was populated by those of the Israelite tribes of Judah, Benjamin, Levi and eventually Joseph(Samaritans).

3. How could Abraham have been considered a gentile if He existed before the reference family in this case, Israel? To declare Abraham a Gentile, you would need to refer the family he was descended from and hence the land of his fathers in doing so.

Scripture instead has it that Abraham was a descendant of Eber, the Father of all the Hebrews, who himself belonged to the family of Shem - Genesis 10 vs 21 - 32. What this means is that all Israelites are Hebrews by virtue of being descendants of Eber, the father of all Hebrews. However,all Hebrews are not Israelites.

4. Your conclusion is wrong!

TheDivineSpark:
➜His purpose is keep you here and make it difficult for you to leave.
➜Naturally you will have a problem with anyone whose job is to make life hard for you.

1. Keep you where here?

2. Is his job to make life hard for you? So, are you insinuating that those who seem to have life easier are not affected by this devil you speak of?

TheDivineSpark:
➜GOD is not the reason man is suffering. Man is the reason why man is suffering. If you take action, someone is there to ensure you reap the results.

FreeSpirited:
➜Jesus never create denomination, why should i

Like that has ever stopped you religious folks from doing whatever you like while attempting to hide your ideas behind the mentions of His name?

Jesus Christ of Israel said He was sent only to the Lost sheep of Israel, warning His followers against giving the Gospel to the dogs, aka the non-Israelites, yet you believe(against Jesus Christ of Israel) that as a non-Israelite you have a stake in Jesus Christ of Israel.

hmohammed:
➜Its a shame most Christians dont read their Bible, hence are not aware of the teachings and the content of the book.

If you had read the book yourself, you would have realized most every single claim in your OP is, in fact, false.

hmohammed:
➜That is not the question, is the above true or false?

False!

hmohammed:
➜Even Mary, got married early. How come no one ever mentioned these facts??

Where is the proof of this claim you made? Where is it explicitly stated that the Mary you refer to married at the age you assume? Or has it become OK to assume that if a thing is not stated, then anyone is free to reach any conclusion he/she likes?

hmohammed:
➜In the Bible, the age of marriage for women varied, and some notable women did get married before the age of 18. Here are a few examples:
1. Rebekah: Married Isaac at a young age, possibly around 10-12 years old (Genesis 24:15-67).
2. Rachel: Married Jacob at around 14-15 years old (Genesis 29:1-30).
3. Leah: Married Jacob at around 14-15 years old, possibly even younger than Rachel (Genesis 29:1-30).
4. Mary (Mother of Jesus): Estimated to be around 12-14 years old when she became engaged to Joseph and conceived Jesus (Luke 1:26-38).
5. Esther: Possibly around 14-15 years old when she was taken into the king's harem and eventually became queen (Esther 2:1-18).
➜I wonder why people condemn early marriages by Muslims in the North.

None of these claims are true, though, since Scripture does not provide for any of the claims made. These are mostly tales fabricated by the religion of Christianity and its many scholars and religious fathers.

2. I see! So, this is a contest between Islam and Christianity — both religions claim connection to a story written of a people whose God only associates with them(Israelites) and no other people— both without tangible connection to Israelite Scripture, to begin with? Continue!