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Bignuell:
■ See if we won talk about this church/religion things e go come be like say we be pagan. Imagine telling you members, "if you don't pay tithe you'll go to hell". Now with these words, the pastor has make a pyschological tweak in the members brain. I want you to understand, these pastors are trained, they'll work you mentally, they have misinterpreted bible verses to back it up. A renowed pastor saying that 10% tithing is not enough again. How did we get here. Obviously you need money to run the church but does that mean that you have to milk the members dry. This sh!t is sickning

Who send them dey run the church though?

Afonja44:
■ I'm not religious and I never told you I was. I only told you about my experience in churches and you're arguing like you experienced it with me.

Look, no human even in Nigeria is forced to give money to any one church. That much I know from being a church hopper and one who did not understand why I would need to hand my hard-earned money over to anyone. They may be mindfucked into handing over their money but no one is forced into doing it. There are churches around every corner giving people the freedom to move easily from one church to another in case they have a bad experience in one. So, coming here to lie to us that people are forced into f-king over their money is ludicrous.

Yes, religion is a scam but I know for a fact that e never reaches and should not reach what you describe for anyone unless, of course, we are dealing with a retarded being here in which case what we need is to make certain his/her guardians are always in the picture.

Afonja44:
■ Which is my religion?

All Religions are scams means whatever religion you subscribe to is a scam. So, do not, as a religious individual, that you may be, assume your religion any better than others.

Afonja44:
■ Go out of your church and witness it then. Visit other churches to find out & stop arguing

Again, I have been to many churches, and what you described amounts to bullsheet still! Also, all religions including Islam are scams that use people so do not for one moment pretend that your religion somehow rises above all the meaninglessness at that.

Afonja44:
■ They are. If you refuse to stand up for offering, your pew will be rattled till the whole church stares at you. What's that?

Please stop! I grew up in pentecostal churches myself and notoriously refused to fork over my money to any of the pulpit bandits... had nothing that you describe happen to me all of those times. So for you to insist this as some sort of norm is bullsheet on your part.

Afonja44:
■ Pastors force members to pay tithes and offerings except Catholic/Anglican churches.

They aren't forced to do it; rather the same way some Muslims are coaxed into killing themselves in the name of Allah by some of your imams is the same way these churchians are coaxed into submitting their hard-earned monies to the pastors. It's all about using mind jobs on people.

Afonja44:
■ You must be a pagan.
That's the only way that you don't know that Pastors harrass members over tithes, use them as example during sermons, banish some for not tithing. Offerings are now compulsory as the ushers go per pew to force members to donate. If you act oblivous, they will rattle the basket in your face or rap the pew with it. No escape.

LOL.... you think yourself smart, don't you?

Again, these people are not FORCED in any way to submit their hard-earned money to their Christian scammers-in-the-lords the same way the Muslim rich men/politicians who sponsor mosques are not forced to build and sponsor mosques.

Afonja44:
■ For the last time, were they forced?

The Christians are not forced either; so, I fail to see your point here.

Afonja44:
■ Again, were they forced?

Force them to donate what exactly? Those who sponsor such places for their political/religious ideals do not go in without a plan in place on how to keep up with the needs of the businesses.

jaxxy:
■ Again u are wrong, assuming and misleading. The world cannot mean only Israel.
2. Read what I wrote again on the difference btwn church system and church itself. There are 2 different things.

1. Again, the context is the Gospel and the World as defined within the Gospels is that which comprises the same world which Moses raised the bronze snake to in the wilderness— Numbers 22 - which was condemned to die by the God of Isreal. In John 3 vs 14 - 18, Jesus Christ made known He too would be raised in that same world.... a world consisting of the Lost Sheep of Israel at the same time excluding the dogs — the non-Israelites.

2. Again, whatever you call it, your church system has nothing to do with Jesus Christ or Scripture.

Afonja44:
■ Do they force anybody to donate?

Force them to donate what exactly? Those who sponsor such places for their political/religious ideals do not go in without a plan in place on how to keep up with the needs of the businesses.

jaxxy:
1. I am telling u what Jesus himself said just b4 he left. Share about him to the world not only the Jews.
2. The synagogue system is similar to the church system which I said I man made and prone to corrupt practice. I also said the church system is different from the church which is the body of believers of christ. I hope u understand me now??

Again, Jesus Christ clearly defined the world to which He sent His followers out as the world that comprised of the Lost Sheep of Israel — not just the Jews — AND a world that did not include the dogs — Non-Israelites. Note that the Jews were and still are merely a subset of Israel — the descendants of Jacob. That is what is clearly indicated in the Gospels — Matthew, Mark, Luke & John.

2. Again, your church systems which you claim are modeled after the synagogue systems are not of Jesus Christ who instead railed vehemently against the religious establishment of His day. That which is of Jesus Christ IS NOT PRONE to corruption of any kind. Your systems which are prone to corruption are not and cannot be of Jesus Christ.

Winnin009:
■ mugu, was he a pastor? no dey talk from the side of your mouth. Was he a pastor in the church? Or a member the church partnered with to facilitate loans on behalf of the church?
I'll put it to you that there are men still richer than Herbert in that church that are just members or church workers at best... You guys really think wealthy people don't go to church abi? Lol... Several heads of conglomerates are regular members in several churches... na you never get the update.

Kai! You people are just plain wicked! See how this one immediately took to brushing to the side the fact that Wigwe was essentially a beneficiary of the church scam since he was after all their money man.

Haiti na today?

Abrahamweb:
■90% of Christians don't read their Bible. That's why pastors and the rest can run them street.

It is disgusting to behold abeg!

ArcSEMPECJ:
■ By their fruits we shall know them......I don't answer people who easily detect people that are not alright, don't ask me why...

Abeg, carry your own brain damage enter gutter somewhere.

jaxxy:
■ No u are wrong. Jesus asked his disciples to speak of him to the whole world untill they believe on him. ■ Nobody is a dog or non islraelite after Jesus came to reconcile the wholecworld to God not just Jews..
■The church systems isn't much different from the synagogues system that operated b4 Jesus came. it man made but operates In similar fashion just with a different message.

1. This is what is instead contained in the Gospel. Jesus Christ sent His disciples into the world to teach His Gospel to all Nations. That same Gospel He told them could only be given to those who are of the blood of Israel; this the very same Gospel He warned should not be given to those who are not of the blood of Jacob — non-Israelites.

2. So, you are invariably declaring that Jesus Christ was a liar, right?

3. Jesus Christ condemned the religious establishments of his time; He went into the synagogues to call the people out to serve God instead. He even went into the Temple to destroy the idols that had been set up there by the people. In John, there is a report that some of those people wanted to have him pushed off a cliff for saying the things that He did. So, why in the world would you think your church systems would or could be connected to a man who is recorded to have been against them?

jaxxy:
■ Jesus was sent to the Jews doesn't mean he didn't care for or meet with non Jews who believed in him.
infact he was rejected by his own people and embraced more by strangers who didn't know him.
■ Church system is a man made system so can be corrupted. its has its positives and negatives. The Church however is the believers and quite different from the man made system.

1. Again, Jesus Christ was sent only to the Lost sheep of Israel — literal descendants of Jacob. That the dogs — non-Israelites— were allowed to eat of the crumbs that fell off the master's table DOES NOT mean that Jesus Christ belonged also to them or that they too could partake in the mercy of David passed ONLY to the Israelites through Jesus Christ.

2. Your "church system" which was established by the same ones who Jesus Christ warned would only trample that which is Holy — the Gospel which is God's Law in the Kingdom of God—, the dogs aka non-Israelites. So, it invariably has absolutely no connection to Jesus Christ. And what your "church system" pretends is the gospel of Jesus Christ is instead a trashed-&-trampled version that pretends to be the original.

NoahHadNoArk:
■ No But A God in heaven who sees and knows all and defends the innocent and the helpless from injustice would have prevented those senseless killings. If he truly was as all knowing and powerful as we are compelled to believe he is. Imagine the pain and torture the Babies and their families had to go through.
Two years and below, that’s a lot of children 😫 Then again let’s ask, did this event really happen?! It’s only recounted by Mathew, nobody else has mentioned it in the Bible, that’s really odd 🙄 Odd if you take into fact that killing babies two years and below, that’s the one time in history a story like that has ever happened, which would have made it really big and loud. Of all the Gospel Writers, Of all the Disciples and apostles, even evangelists, none has mentioned or verified this strange tale ever occurred. Again, why would any ruler in history commit an atrocity like that without being checked by authorities higher than him or called to order. My take? I will say this event never happened. Argue with your Sunday school teacher on Christmas Day My peace I leave you

So, basically, this God you imagine, should abandon his own agreement with the people to do instead what you desire or demand of him? Just imagine someone out there completely ignoring the details of the agreement you made with him or her but choosing instead to impose his ideas and will on you as far as how you can and should operate... what would you think of such a person?

Oforleta:
■ I miss the days when I was a little kid, when every story in the Bible fascinated me, and I never questioned anything. Now, whenever something is mentioned, I start asking myself: How fair is this? How just? And how reasonable? After a long time away from church, I attended today, and during the sermon, the pastor recounted how Jesus was saved from being killed by Herod after his birth. Meanwhile, other children his age in the facility where he was born were killed by Herod.
► I found myself asking: Did those innocent children have to die?
► What crime did they commit?
► Why didn’t God stop their deaths?
► Why didn’t God save the other babies same way baby Jesus was saved?
► Where is the justice in that? Why didn’t God simply stop Herod from committing such a wicked act?
► Why didn’t He just kill Herod? Or, considering that the Bible says the heart of the king is in the hand of God, why didn’t God change his heart? DID THOSE INNOCENT CHILDREN HAVE TO DIE?

Why did the God of Israel have this need to save the other babies? Did the God of Israel agree to save all Israelite babies or what?

Did the God of Israel decree somewhere in His Law that He would save babies because you assume them innocent? I mean if the God of Israel did not even save many of His own "innocent" prophets from the hands of their murderers why would He have needed to save the babies?

Omooba77:
■ Church is a blessing to humanity.....

Lies!

ebuk4real:
THE GOVERNOR OF RIVERS IS CURRENTLY ONLINE SWEARING IN THE NEWLY ELECTED LOCAL GOVERNMENT CHAIRMEN IN RIVERS STATE.
CONGRATULATIONS TO THE WINNERS

On a Sunday?

Winnin009:
■ Lol... Your logic has been exposed as foolish and this is your next best reply... Bro, the richest people in those churches are not the pastors. Understand that and have peace. Wasn't Wigwe just a member before he died? Which RCCG pastor or GO was richer than him? Lol Una be clown weh need help. Lol

Wigwe who was one of the church's business partners in the sense that he arranged loans for the church while it in turn arranged customers and steady funds for his bank and other enterprises in return is the example you put forward? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Winnin009:
■ Na today you know say the average black man isn't true to himself... How can he be true to his God. God cannot be fooled bro. Nigerians that haven't loved their neighbor as themselves, na them wan face God with all sincerity and indeed fellowship with an open heart... Bro, being a christain goes beyond going to church and look around you, na church goers we get... And moreso, my pastor or pastors that I listen to have never for once attributed anything to themselves... pray for spirit of discernment.

None of what you said changes the facts which is that Nigeria is the best example of how religion is nothing but a scam. By, the way, you still have yet to answer. Which God? Which lord? Which spirit? There are at least over 4000 deities out there, at least 40 of them local to Nigeria. So, which one?

Afonja44:
Then shut down the church
How are mosques operating?
Thief

Mosques are funded with money from donations as well, only their schemes don't seem as aggressive as that applied by churches. Mosques are usually controlled by the government or rich patrons.

Winnin009:
■ Well, take it or leave it.. People do go to churches and have their lives turned around. If yours hasn't ask yourself why. I can tell you for free tho; it's cause you possess the mindset of the majority. Hence why you're in the 85% that see no breakthrough.
■ Just humor me and indeed go to church to seek the face of the lord and fellowship with the brethren.

Nigeria, as a nation, stands as evidence against the fraudulent claims you make. It is 98% religious with the vast majority of them impoverished, mostly in the religious communities.

2. Seek the face of which lord? Your pastors aka the scammers-in-the-lords who rightly say the miracles are of their making? Again, stop lying! You are not good at it!

Winnin009:
■ Lol... Slow poke that thinks the biggest people in the church are the pastors. You're a clown and I'm here to tell you. Not everything is pastor pastor... change your mindset; change your life.

Abeg, carry this your didinrin nonsense enter gutter somewhere o'jare! Religio-political scammer!

MamaletASO:
■ You are just a joke..kobojunkie or nah wetin you call yourself.. Anyways, Repent and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour so you may enter into the Kingdom of God

I should accept Jesus Christ who said that He was only sent to the Lost Sheep of Jacob. Are you insinuating that I was born an Israelite from my mother's womb since that is a necessary qualification one must have to be able to accept Jesus Christ as a savior? Jesus Christ did warn that His followers do not give that which is Holy — the Gospel — to the non-Israelites aka the dogs.

Agba7617:
■ Na una Sabi. Just love your neighbors as yourself. Christianity no be for mouth

What you just said makes no sense at all given what is in fact written in that book which you admit to having difficulty comprehending!

chiboycue:
■ From my own point of view, “Repay to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and to God what belongs to God” (Matthew 22:21). In view of the above,If tithe belongs to God, then we should pay tithe and not rationalize tithing

Matthew 22 vs 21 deals with the paying of Taxes which these your scammers-in-the-lords are exempt from.

Look, Christianity does mostly the opposite of that which is Jesus Christ so it cannot reasonably be connected in any way to Jesus Christ except for the fact that it pretends to pray in the name of Jesus Christ.

Padipadi:
■ Mumuboy, scam is scam whether in religion or ordinary biz. Dubious people are those soiling religion. And if you think you're a better person, let's examine ya private life. Wetin be ya real handle on social media, wetin you dey do? Where you dey work? Let's do a sponsored X-ray of ya life! You think you're perfect?

Again, Religion is a scam! 🤔

If you cannot come up with a coherent response to that, waka pass me! 🤔

Agba7617:
■ You're so correct. The bible is so confusing. One part says pray for your enemies, another part says sufferth not a witch to live.

nothing is confusing about the Bible at all. If you were ever to read the book the same way and mind you would read other books with, you would realize that your confusion never came from the book but from your holding on to religion while attempting to read the book.